Re: Who has stuck with an older version of Plasma for a while?
On Wednesday February 22 2023 01:54:12 Dave T wrote: I just use Plasma4 for the desktop shell; KDEPIM aside which I've also kept on one of the last 4.1x versions I've built my own updates of the KDE applications I use regularly. Not that those are especially up-to-date :) To think that years ago I picked an Ubuntu derivative because it's based on Debian which I thought would give me rolling updates. I've seen how cumbersome major updates can be (I maintain a Devuan install on my partner's laptop)... >the finger at my hardware (nvidia GPU) plus the the transition from >X.org to wayland. I really hope there's nothing compulsory about that! R.
Re: Who has stuck with an older version of Plasma for a while?
On Wed, Feb 22, 2023 at 2:10 AM Duncan <1i5t5.dun...@cox.net> wrote: > > Dave T posted on Tue, 21 Feb 2023 02:18:25 -0500 as excerpted: > > > I'm thinking about sticking with KDE Plasma 5.26 (or maybe one of the > > KDE Plasma 5.25 releases) until I'm ready to move to wayland and Plasma > > 6. > > > > I'm on Arch Linux (with an nvidia GPU, proprietary driver and X.org). I > > guess I could pin all KDE packages to a specific version while > > continuing to update the rest of my system. > > > > Who is doing something similar and could offer me some advice? (Or > > should I ask on an Arch Linux forum?) > > > > Any opinions on which version from the last 6 to 9 months would be a > > good candidate to stick with for a good long while? > > > > Currently on plasmashell 5.27.0. Going backwards seems a better choice > > than going forward right now -- for me. > > So I know you are considering moving back from 5.27.0, but it's worth > noting that 5.27 is an official LTS release (I believe the last one before > 6.x, tho I'm not positive on that) and thus is likely to have the best > continuing support. Maybe that changes how you weigh the various factors? > Thank you. Yes, I'm reconsidering. > Here's the 5.27.0 announcement page which mentions its LTS status: > https://kde.org/announcements/plasma/5/5.27.0/ > > Given that LTS, I'd personally try to stick with it if I were to be > sticking, tho of course it's early in the 5.27 cycle ATM, and if you're > affected by some newer bugs, I'd consider perhaps going back to 5.26 or > even 5.25 for just a couple months or whatever (aren't the bugfix releases > monthly now? I'm on live-git so I kinda lost track, but that'd be two of > them if so), until they're hopefully fixed in the 5.27 LTS cycle, would > make sense. > > But of course being your system, it's ultimately your decision, just like > it's mine to run "crazy" live-git here. =:^) Very interesting. > > -- > Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. > "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- > and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman >
Re: Who has stuck with an older version of Plasma for a while?
Dave T posted on Tue, 21 Feb 2023 02:18:25 -0500 as excerpted: > I'm thinking about sticking with KDE Plasma 5.26 (or maybe one of the > KDE Plasma 5.25 releases) until I'm ready to move to wayland and Plasma > 6. > > I'm on Arch Linux (with an nvidia GPU, proprietary driver and X.org). I > guess I could pin all KDE packages to a specific version while > continuing to update the rest of my system. > > Who is doing something similar and could offer me some advice? (Or > should I ask on an Arch Linux forum?) > > Any opinions on which version from the last 6 to 9 months would be a > good candidate to stick with for a good long while? > > Currently on plasmashell 5.27.0. Going backwards seems a better choice > than going forward right now -- for me. So I know you are considering moving back from 5.27.0, but it's worth noting that 5.27 is an official LTS release (I believe the last one before 6.x, tho I'm not positive on that) and thus is likely to have the best continuing support. Maybe that changes how you weigh the various factors? Here's the 5.27.0 announcement page which mentions its LTS status: https://kde.org/announcements/plasma/5/5.27.0/ Given that LTS, I'd personally try to stick with it if I were to be sticking, tho of course it's early in the 5.27 cycle ATM, and if you're affected by some newer bugs, I'd consider perhaps going back to 5.26 or even 5.25 for just a couple months or whatever (aren't the bugfix releases monthly now? I'm on live-git so I kinda lost track, but that'd be two of them if so), until they're hopefully fixed in the 5.27 LTS cycle, would make sense. But of course being your system, it's ultimately your decision, just like it's mine to run "crazy" live-git here. =:^) -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman
Re: Who has stuck with an older version of Plasma for a while?
Thank you for your thoughts on this. It's very interesting that you are still on Plasma 4. FWIW, I got really tired of "the eternal update dance" on Kubuntu. Since switching to Arch in 2014, I have felt great relief from having to deal with major version upgrades. When I wrote my prior message I was (probably incorrectly) focused on the Plasma 5 to 6 upgrade as a source of my pain, but in hindsight I think it is more fair to point the finger at my hardware (nvidia GPU) plus the the transition from X.org to wayland. On Tue, Feb 21, 2023 at 6:41 AM René J.V. Bertin wrote: > > On Tuesday February 21 2023 02:18:25 Dave T wrote: > >I'm thinking about sticking with KDE Plasma 5.26 (or maybe one of the > >KDE Plasma 5.25 releases) until I'm ready to move to wayland and > > ... > > >Who is doing something similar and could offer me some advice? (Or > >should I ask on an Arch Linux forum?) > > > Ahhh, the eternal update dance... it gets old, doesn't it? I'm personally > still on Kubuntu 14.04 (and so, yes, with Plasma 4), updated myself in part > with PPAs containing backports and with locally built software managed > through a 3rd party packaging system. > > Pinning/holding a selection of packages would work but only if you're certain > that non of the pinned packages have dependents which also get blocked from > being updated; this can lead to a snowball effect. You'd probably be fine > though just pinning your entire KDE DE, if the version you have works for > you. You'd best ask about that kind of details on an Arch forum or ML. > > Note that KDE has one or even 2 systems of its own to grab sources and build > the entire DE. IIRC Arch is one of the distros that is normally built locally > so following that approach wouldn't really be overly new for you or require > setting up a dev. environment etc. > > R.
Re: Who has stuck with an older version of Plasma for a while?
On Tuesday February 21 2023 02:18:25 Dave T wrote: >I'm thinking about sticking with KDE Plasma 5.26 (or maybe one of the >KDE Plasma 5.25 releases) until I'm ready to move to wayland and ... >Who is doing something similar and could offer me some advice? (Or >should I ask on an Arch Linux forum?) Ahhh, the eternal update dance... it gets old, doesn't it? I'm personally still on Kubuntu 14.04 (and so, yes, with Plasma 4), updated myself in part with PPAs containing backports and with locally built software managed through a 3rd party packaging system. Pinning/holding a selection of packages would work but only if you're certain that non of the pinned packages have dependents which also get blocked from being updated; this can lead to a snowball effect. You'd probably be fine though just pinning your entire KDE DE, if the version you have works for you. You'd best ask about that kind of details on an Arch forum or ML. Note that KDE has one or even 2 systems of its own to grab sources and build the entire DE. IIRC Arch is one of the distros that is normally built locally so following that approach wouldn't really be overly new for you or require setting up a dev. environment etc. R.
