KR> Need a Laugh, thanks
Thanks Richard, I almost wet myself. Jannie > > > Just in case you need a laugh: > > Remember it takes a college degree to fly a plane, but only a high school > diploma to fix one; a reassurance to those of us who fly routinely in our > jobs. After every flight, UPS pilots fill out a form, called a 'gripe sheet,' > which tells mechanics about problems with the aircraft. The mechanics correct > the problems, document their repairs on the form, and then pilots review the > gripe sheets before the next flight. > > Never let it be said that ground crews lack a sense of humor. Here are some > actual maintenance complaints submitted by UPS ' pilots (marked with a P) and > the solutions recorded (marked with an S) by maintenance engineers. > > By the way, UPS is the only major airline that has never, ever, had an > accident. > > P: Left inside main tire almost needs replacement. > S: Almost replaced left inside main tire. > * > P: Test flight OK, except auto-land very rough. > S: Auto-land not installed on this aircraft. > * > P: Something loose in cockpit > S: Something tightened in cockpit > * > P: Dead bugs on windshield. > S: Live bugs on back-order. > * > P: Autopilot in altitude-hold mode produces a 200 feet per minute descent. > S: Cannot reproduce problem on ground. > * > P: Evidence of leak on right main landing gear. > S: Evidence removed. > * > P: DME volume unbelievably loud. > S: DME volume set to more believable level. > * > P: Friction locks cause throttle levers to stick. > S: That's what friction locks are for. > * > P: IFF inoperative in OFF mode. > S: IFF always inoperative in OFF mode. > * > P: Suspected crack in windshield. > S: Suspect you're right. > * > P: Number 3 engine missing. > S: Engine found on right wing after brief search > * > P: Aircraft handles funny. > (I love this one!) > S: Aircraft warned to straighten up, fly right and be serious. > * > P: Target radar hums. > S: Reprogrammed target radar with lyrics. > * > P: Mouse in cockpit. > S: Cat installed. > * > And the best one for last... > * > P: Noise coming from under instrument panel. Sounds like a midget pounding on > something with a hammer. > S: Took hammer away from midget. > > > > > > >
KR> FW: Need a Laugh?
From: fayep...@bendbroadband.com To: mountainm...@bendbroadband.com; richarda...@msn.com; victoria.a...@vectrabank.com Subject: FW: Need a Laugh? List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 20:58:46 -0700 From: mwi...@aol.com [mailto:mwi...@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 8:47 PM To: fayep...@bendbroadband.com; stonemount...@bendbroadband.com; ngu...@hotmail.com; sweet_...@earthlink.net; pfsel...@yahoo.com; mi...@dsscustomhomes.com Subject: Fwd: Need a Laugh? -Original Message- From: Louie C. To: Ann Graham ; Bill Tushar ; Bob Bob McNeil ; Daniel Flanagan ; David Gay Berntsen ; Ellen ; Eric Hameister ; Erv ; James Provost ; Kirby ; Linda & Suzi Costanza ; Lloyd Patterson ; Margaret Delaney ; Mary Deluca ; Mike Wibel ; Roger & Nancy Day ; Simon Lopez ; Stan ; Steve Day ; Tom ; Trudy Boyd ; Wayne Rollins Sent: Sun, 24 May 2009 9:40 pm Subject: Fw: Fwd: Need a Laugh? - Forwarded Message From: Sylvia Karalius To: Louie Costanza C. ; mendenhalllawn...@sbcglobal.net; knitwit...@netzero.net Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 8:31:48 PM Subject: Fwd: Need a Laugh? Begin forwarded message: From: "JIM AND JANE HURT" List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org Date: May 23, 2009 2:26:54 PM PDT To: "Sylvia Karalius" , "richard k. backus" , "Chuck Okerstrom" , "Bob Penno" , "faythe captain" , "Margaret Peden" , "Martha Webb"
KR> KR-1 Plans Available ? Copyright ?
Very impressive posting! Lost designs that bothered me was the Charles Fauvel designs. The AV361 is the only design that survived the loss of Charles. Story goes that the widow of Charles Fauvel actually burned all of his drawings when he died. Free aircraft drawings can be downloaded here: _http://ca.groups.yahoo.com/group/cfair/?yguid=62311250_ (http://ca.groups.yahoo.com/group/cfair/?yguid=62311250) There are some surprises in this list of free drawings. Kevin Golden Harrisonville, MO In a message dated 5/26/2009 7:33:30 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 2sc...@bellsouth.net writes: While illegality may be defined by the strict letter, damages are not. Damages by copyright infringement are determined mostly by loss or decrease in revenues. When a copyright holder no longer is selling or servicing, you might be infringing on copyright but not imflicting harm as defined by the copyright statutes. **A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222377034x1201454326/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd= MaystepsfooterNO62)
KR> Tandem kr Part II
For anyone who hasnt seen it. Here is the link to the tandem KR I was referring to. It was given to me by dan heath(hosted on his website). The plane was sold on EBAY about a year ago. _ Windows Live?: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_BR_life_in_synch_052009
KR> Tandem KR
In the list you'll find at the link below you'll see a "Balfour KR-2 two place tandem version" listed for the March 1983 issue of Sport Aviation. It says at the bottom they'll send you a free copy of the article if you're a member. I've seen pictures of it and think I saw it listed for sale some time back. Can't remember how far back or where, but I want to say Barnstormers? http://www.eaa.org/homebuilders/kitplans/kr2.asp Mike Let your voice be heard! Click here and get paid to participate in surveys! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTEFxNiMOx77Yrqj7KJgWkHrGpd8ozgLKAT1fDTNgrNO9HyXsImBvK/
KR> KR-1 Plans Available ? Copyright ?
While illegality may be defined by the strict letter, damages are not. Damages by copyright infringement are determined mostly by loss or decrease in revenues. When a copyright holder no longer is selling or servicing, you might be infringing on copyright but not imflicting harm as defined by the copyright statutes. There are many instances in the world of aviation where the good of the community overrides strict compliance with the law such that the moral thing to do may not equate to the lagal thing. Consider the loss of designs where the copyright owners are deceased or cannot be found. In those situations you have to ask who is being harmed by the reproduction of such designs while breaking the law. As with most things, common sense is required. Hundreds if not thousands of avaition designs are now lost because of the copyright issues and it is tragic. It is sickening to look through 20, 30 and 40 year old magazines and see how many great little planes have disappeared along with the hard earned knowledge of their designers. For instance about ten years ago ( before the old and long time librarian retired )I inquired at the EAA and they had sixty sets of blueprints for designs that had been donated that were restriced to mere looking at without any kind of copying taking place. The restrictions were not limited to copyright but also the new lawyers fear that if you built a plane from the knowledge obtained they feared liability. What the heck is the EAA all about anyway ? Scott Tony King wrote: > I can sympathise with Mike in one aspect - trying to do business with RR is > very frustrating. I tried for several months with faxes, phone calls, etc. > and never got any response. In the end I gave up and some time later I > bought a set of KR2S plans from a KRNet member who was selling his (genuine > and unused) set. > > However, whether or not the plans are readily available from RR isn't > actually relevant. They're the intellectual property of RR and RR can > choose to do whatever they want with them - including never selling them to > anyone. That still doesn't make it legal for anyone else to violate the > copyright. It's the same thing as if you refuse to sell me your car so I go > and take it. You have no obligation to sell me your car and RR has no > obligation to sell KR plans. If they decide to provide lousy service (which > was my experience), they're perfectly within their rights and if you or I > don't like that we are under no obligation to deal with them. If that means > you then can't build a KR, that's the way it is. It's not an excuse for > ripping them off. > > Tony King > Brisbane Australia > > 2009/5/26 Scott Perkins <2sc...@bellsouth.net> > > > The question I have not seen answered is whether the KR-1 plans > > are available from the RAND company and if so how much and how long > > does it take and what kind of condition are they in. IE such as > > complete, hi quality, accurate etc. > > Scott > > > > sidney.w...@l-3com.com wrote: > > > > > > >...is someone trying to down load plans without buying them or > > > something. If so I agree with you I have had my plans sence 1974... > > > - > > > > > > My reading from the Copyright Office website indicates the KR plans > > > copyright may expire on December 31, 2047. > > > http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap3.html > > > Copies of the plans sets were sold prior to 1978 and would be considered > > > as commercialized intellectual property with a repose of 70 years from > > > January 1, 1978. Rand Robinson Engineering would be the legal owner of > > > that intellectual property. > > > The previous assertion by Mike, that the KR series plans are in the > > > public domain, is wishful thinking on his part. > > > > > > Sid Wood > > > Tri-gear KR-2 N6242 > > > Mechanicsville, MD, USA > > > > > > ___ > > > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net > > > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > > > -- > > > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.18/1254 - Release Date: 1/31/08 > > 8:30 PM > > > > ___ > > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net > > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.18/1254 - Release Date: 1/31/08
KR> Tandem seating PT II
Dustin, don't overestimate the aerodynamic benefits to this. For one thing, the form drag of the fuselage is only a portion of the total drag. You have to consider that the KR2 is already a pretty slick airplane. Induced drag from the wings accounts for a fair bit, and then you have skin friction. You are probably going to end up with an increase in wetted surface which will remove a lot of the benefit from the reduced form drag. Also, the structure is going to end up heavier (almost inevitably, you are carrying more load further from the spar) which increases wing loading, leading to higher induced drag. As everyone else has pointed out, the CG issue will be relevant - but it matters to drag in another way too. You are going to have to optimize for one condition, meaning that in other conditions, you end up with a considerable amount of trim, and the resultant extra drag. (If you put the passenger on the CG, the passenger won't change the trim that much... but now your pilot is way behind so a change in pilot weight will have a larger effect) I'm not much good with this aerodynamics stuff, so if I've messed things up, I'm sure those who are will clear up my mistakes. James >1. I feel like the decreased width of the airplane will benefit in making >it as slippery as possible. obviously something 44" wide is gonna be harder >to push through the air than >something 30 inches wide. >
KR> KR-1 Plans Available ? Where ? How Much? other Terms ?
I can sympathise with Mike in one aspect - trying to do business with RR is very frustrating. I tried for several months with faxes, phone calls, etc. and never got any response. In the end I gave up and some time later I bought a set of KR2S plans from a KRNet member who was selling his (genuine and unused) set. However, whether or not the plans are readily available from RR isn't actually relevant. They're the intellectual property of RR and RR can choose to do whatever they want with them - including never selling them to anyone. That still doesn't make it legal for anyone else to violate the copyright. It's the same thing as if you refuse to sell me your car so I go and take it. You have no obligation to sell me your car and RR has no obligation to sell KR plans. If they decide to provide lousy service (which was my experience), they're perfectly within their rights and if you or I don't like that we are under no obligation to deal with them. If that means you then can't build a KR, that's the way it is. It's not an excuse for ripping them off. Tony King Brisbane Australia 2009/5/26 Scott Perkins <2sc...@bellsouth.net> > The question I have not seen answered is whether the KR-1 plans > are available from the RAND company and if so how much and how long > does it take and what kind of condition are they in. IE such as > complete, hi quality, accurate etc. > Scott > > sidney.w...@l-3com.com wrote: > > > > >...is someone trying to down load plans without buying them or > > something. If so I agree with you I have had my plans sence 1974... > > - > > > > My reading from the Copyright Office website indicates the KR plans > > copyright may expire on December 31, 2047. > > http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap3.html > > Copies of the plans sets were sold prior to 1978 and would be considered > > as commercialized intellectual property with a repose of 70 years from > > January 1, 1978. Rand Robinson Engineering would be the legal owner of > > that intellectual property. > > The previous assertion by Mike, that the KR series plans are in the > > public domain, is wishful thinking on his part. > > > > Sid Wood > > Tri-gear KR-2 N6242 > > Mechanicsville, MD, USA > > > > ___ > > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net > > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > -- > > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.18/1254 - Release Date: 1/31/08 > 8:30 PM > > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html >
KR> Tandem seating PT II
Dustin Don't forget. You can find a VariEze that needs finishing and go to town and finish it. I had one and liked it very much. But the wife did not like sitting behind me. Go figure. Greg Martin On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 9:23 PM, dustin Reves wrote: > > 1. I feel like the decreased width of the airplane will benefit in making > it as slippery as possible. obviously something 44" wide is gonna be harder > to push through the air than something 30 inches wide. > > 2. The tandem seating just feels sporty to me. Much more like sitting in a > fighter plane than a cross country cruiser. Well, doesn't everybody wanna > feel like they are flying a fighter? >
Betr: KR> stratching a kr
Hi guys. Thanks for the respons again. I will keep you informed about my project. Stef den Boer >-- Oorspronkelijk bericht -- >Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 13:15:45 +0200 >From: stefenmarl...@telfort.nl >Subject: Betr: KR> stratching a kr >To: "KRnet" >Reply-To: KRnet > > >Hi guys. What lerry said is the right thing. We are almost finished with >the kr-2 and before we will starting with the final things we made the dicision >to stretch her to a kr-2s. So we get an kr-2s lengt whitout the exstra fwd >bay and with the standard KR2 tail surfaces. I already found the webside >from Jim Hill stretched his KR2. The job looks realy nice. >My question what is the best place to cut her or ideas. If there is someone >out there with some pictures would be nice. > >Thanks stef den boer > > > >>-- Oorspronkelijk bericht -- >>Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 19:11:35 -0500 >>To: KRnet >>From: Larry&Sallie Flesner >>Subject: KR> stratching a kr >>Reply-To: KRnet >> >> >> >>> >>>Thanks for the respons about the A/P. I hope I get some pictures in >>>the future. >>>I didnt get any respons about he extention/ stretching for my fuselage. >>>Stef den BoerHolland >>> >> >>I don't recall the exact question but if you asked if you should stretch >>a KR2S, I'd say there is no need. My KR2 is stretched 24 inches but >>has the standard KR2 tail surfaces. The 2S has the larger tail surfaces >>and I'm sure Mark Langford, Mark Jones, and Joe Horton, among others, >>will say they fly just fine. >> >>I'd say just build to the 2S plans, maybe widen the fuselage an inch >>or two, and you'll have a great flying KR. >> >>Larry Flesner >> >> >> >> >> >>___ >>Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >>to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net >>please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > > > > >___ >Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net >please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html
KR> KR-1 Plans Available ? Where ? How Much? other Terms ?
Praise be to Langford for throwing the Bum off! Thank you! Fred Johnson Reno, NV Langford wrote: I was stuck in an airliner when this email came across the list, but as soon as I read it, I unsubscribed the guy. We don't need people like that on this list. He's permanently banned. This guy Mike appears to have a huge chip on his shoulder, and I personally would consider him to have emotional problems, or perhaps he's really only 8 years old. I've exchanged several emails with him, and he apparently has no concept of what "intellectual property" is, although he may be enlightened when Jeannette's daughter the attorney contacts him. Failing that, there's always "bad karma"... Mark Langford N56ML "at" hiwaay.net website at http://www.N56ML.com ___ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html
KR> Tandem KR PT II
There has been a tandem KR here in the London, Ontario, Canada area for some years. I think I can find the owner if someone is really interesting instead of just conjecturing. Actually, if you are really, really intested i think I can find the builder. If I were younger, a lot younger, I would purchase it, put a fuel tank where the front seat is and fly to the ends of the earth. It has has a Continental. Bill Weir - Original Message - From: "dustin Reves" To: "KRNET LIST POST" Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 1:19 PM Subject: KR> Tandem KR PT II I agree with what you are saying mark and I respect your views on the subject. I am willing to put. In the hours to do the modification to the airframe, but, if the undertaking isn't worthwhile and it is unlikely I will reach my performance goals I might consider goi g with the sonerai.i am really trying to kill 2 birds with one stone with this build. A nice cross country cruiser that I can use as my own personal dogfighter when flying solo. What I really want for me is a ride that will really haul a$$ solo. I was originally going to build a modified kr1, but my fiancée has expressed the interest in flying together. I guess I need to take her up in a light plane and see if she really wants to go flying. Maybe I can get out of building a 2 place aircraft. Sorry for the horrible typing. I'm sending this on an iphone _ Hotmail® goes with you. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/Mobile?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_Mobile1_052009 ___ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html
KR> KR-1 Plans Available ? Where ? How Much? other Terms ?
Scott Perkins wrote: > The question I have not seen answered is whether the KR-1 plans > are available from the RAND company and if so how much and how long > does it take and what kind of condition are they in. Sure they're still available. See http://www.fly-kr.com/kr1.htm for how to order, and http://www.fly-kr.com/ for the phone/fax number. The best (and perhaps only) way to get them is send a check for the proper amount (including shipping) and you'll get them eventually. They are not the most detailed plans you'll ever see, but what would you expect for $60? Most folks agree that there are lots of ambiguities in the plans, but people manage to build them just the same. Even the KR-2 plans have more detail, and they are not famous for detail. They are apparently available from Rand Robinson because the "logic" behindd Mike Walling posting them to the web in three different places was because: "I'm putting the plans on the net because I'm irritated at how long it took the get the plans from Rand Robinson, there was no chance of telephone correspondance and I was irritated by the serious lack of quality in the plans. " I was stuck in an airliner when this email came across the list, but as soon as I read it, I unsubscribed the guy. We don't need people like that on this list. He's permanently banned. I don't like to do that because it levels real safety concerns on builders, but in Mike's case, I made an exception. He then signed back on with another address, which took me about 5 seconds to ascertain that it was him, and unsubscribed that one. The downside for him may be that I now know where he works and his employer's email address. KRnet is now a closed list which will require authorization to join, starting Sunday. I've visited the links he provided in his email, and his comments are deplorable. I can't post what he said, but basically he's deliberately encouraging any and all comers to download and spread the plans around. Here's what he wrote: >>I got kicked off of the KRnet.org mailing list for this torrent and I make no apologies. I Figure I'll buy the next set of plans and post them just as a F--- You<< (letters replaced by dashes by ML) This guy Mike appears to have a huge chip on his shoulder, and I personally would consider him to have emotional problems, or perhaps he's really only 8 years old. I've exchanged several emails with him, and he apparently has no concept of what "intellectual property" is, although he may be enlightened when Jeannette's daughter the attorney contacts him. Failing that, there's always "bad karma"... Mark Langford N56ML "at" hiwaay.net website at http://www.N56ML.com
KR> Tandem KR PT II
I agree with what you are saying mark and I respect your views on the subject. I am willing to put. In the hours to do the modification to the airframe, but, if the undertaking isn't worthwhile and it is unlikely I will reach my performance goals I might consider goi g with the sonerai.i am really trying to kill 2 birds with one stone with this build. A nice cross country cruiser that I can use as my own personal dogfighter when flying solo. What I really want for me is a ride that will really haul a$$ solo. I was originally going to build a modified kr1, but my fiancée has expressed the interest in flying together. I guess I need to take her up in a light plane and see if she really wants to go flying. Maybe I can get out of building a 2 place aircraft. Sorry for the horrible typing. I'm sending this on an iphone _ Hotmail® goes with you. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/Mobile?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_Mobile1_052009
KR> RE: KR-1 Plans Available
This is Charles Brown I hope this mike guy has a lot of money because Jeannette can sue the pants off this guy for copy right violation I can't beleave people can be so stupid not to check copy right laws before trying something like this mike guy has done. Im sorry but I hate people like that it irritates me to know end. I haven't started on my KR because when Ken sent my KR 1 plans in 1974 they were not numbered I still have the original green covered book with the 3% angle prop hub for $ 25 so you know they are old plans. From: "sidney.w...@l-3com.com" To: kr...@mylist.net Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 5:57:55 AM Subject: KR> RE: KR-1 Plans Available >...is someone trying to down load plans without buying them or something. If so I agree with you I have had my plans sence 1974... - My reading from the Copyright Office website indicates the KR plans copyright may expire on December 31, 2047. http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap3.html Copies of the plans sets were sold prior to 1978 and would be considered as commercialized intellectual property with a repose of 70 years from January 1, 1978. Rand Robinson Engineering would be the legal owner of that intellectual property. The previous assertion by Mike, that the KR series plans are in the public domain, is wishful thinking on his part. Sid Wood Tri-gear KR-2 N6242 Mechanicsville, MD, USA ___ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html
KR> Tandem seating PT II
I'm going to throw my 2 cents worth in on this since I had thought about a tandem in my early stages. Besides what Langford has already mentioned you have two other issues to contend with, one) to handle the CG you have to use a wider wing chord, that means more drag and more importantly unknown flight characteristics, I.E; CG issues. Two) although the KR2 and 2s wings provide plenty of lift, because a tandem has CG issues to contend and you need a wider chord to help with those, the amount of work needed didn't offset any gains acquired. The weight and drag penalties from the design wouldn't make it any better an airplane the KR2 already is. I'm not saying it CAN'T be done, just more work than it is worth. Obviously someone with aeronautical degree would have more luck with it than those of us who don't. look at the RV4 and 8 and you can see it's possible but there are far more RV6's flying than the former. Just my two cents. Fred Johnson Reno, NV Mark L wrote: People are always cautioning against modifying the design and how much longer it will take to accomplish. The tandem thing would be the ultimate shot to the head as far as time-to-complete is concerned. Why not think about the Sonerai II, and get on with building, if you must have a tandem two-place? ___ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html
KR> KR-1 Plans Available ? Where ? How Much? other Terms ?
Scott the plans are still $60.00 I believe, and takes about 4 weeks. At least that's how long it took to get mine. Fred Johnson Reno, NV The question I have not seen answered is whether the KR-1 plans are available from the RAND company and if so how much and how long does it take and what kind of condition are they in. IE such as complete, hi quality, accurate etc. Scott
KR> KR-1 Plans Available ? Where ? How Much? other Terms ?
The KR-1 plans are available from Rand Robinson. They are $65. Delivery runs from 3-8 weeks, depending on a variety of factors. The plans are as complete and accurate as they have ever been. They are more complete and accurate than the original versions, as they come with many revisions that have been incorporated over the years. They are not, and probably never will be, as complete as the later 2 and 2S plans, hence the difference in price. On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 9:55 AM, Scott Perkins <2sc...@bellsouth.net> wrote: > The question I have not seen answered is whether the KR-1 plans > are available from the RAND company and if so how much and how long > does it take and what kind of condition are they in. IE such as > complete, hi quality, accurate etc. > Scott > > -- Regards, RonB
KR> KR-1 Plans Available ? Where ? How Much? other Terms ?
Scott Perkins wrote: > The question I have not seen answered is whether the KR-1 plans > are available from the RAND company and if so how much and how long > does it take and what kind of condition are they in. IE such as > complete, hi quality, accurate etc. Well, Mike, the guy who posted the plans to the web wrote: > I'm putting the plans on the net because I'm irritated at how long it took > the get the plans from Rand Robinson, there was no chance of telephone > correspondance and I was irritated by the serious lack of quality in the > plans. Which I interpret to mean that he eventually got them, and is one of the two sets he scanned and made available to whoever wants to download them. Or you could do the RIGHT thing and send a check to the address at www.fly-kr.com (plans prices are there as well). I'll probably have a lot more to say on this later, but suffice it to say that Mike's been unsubscribed and banned from the list. I don't like doing that because I consider it to be a safety issue when you cut somebody off from the list, but in his case, I've certainly made an exception. As for quality, the plans are ancient and leave a lot to the imagination (even more than the KR-2 plans), but as many have said before, a plane can be built from them. I own a set myself, which I bought and paid for. Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL mail: N56ML "at" hiwaay.net website: www.N56ML.com
KR> KR-1 Plans Available ? Where ? How Much? other Terms ?
http://www.fly-kr.com/ You have to just have faith in Jeantte by sending her a money order for the appropriate amount (+shipping) and wait about 3-4 weeks. She gave me a call when she received mine to confirm. My plans were for the KR2 and the KR2S supplement. I cannot say for sure that they are totally "complete" compared to other plans like for an RV, but I have bought other plans for other craft and I will say that my KR plans are AWESOME. It would be great if she included a digital copy of them, but they are quite good. There are plenty of large (3'x 2') drawings and the manual is very detailed. With the plans, Mark Langfords website (www.n56ml.com), and the KR-Net, its everything you will need to build any KR. Come to the gathering and you will be HOOKED!!! Trust me! Oh and they are quite accurate too. I won't say you could take a micrometer to them (they're copies), but an engineering ruler gave me very good results (as some dimensions are not shown). Hope this helps erik.kl...@matrixdginc.com -Original Message- From: Scott Perkins [mailto:2sc...@bellsouth.net] Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 8:55 AM To: KRnet Subject: KR> KR-1 Plans Available ? Where ? How Much? other Terms ? The question I have not seen answered is whether the KR-1 plans are available from the RAND company and if so how much and how long does it take and what kind of condition are they in. IE such as complete, hi quality, accurate etc. Scott sidney.w...@l-3com.com wrote: > > >...is someone trying to down load plans without buying them or > something. If so I agree with you I have had my plans sence 1974... > - > > My reading from the Copyright Office website indicates the KR plans > copyright may expire on December 31, 2047. > http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap3.html > Copies of the plans sets were sold prior to 1978 and would be considered > as commercialized intellectual property with a repose of 70 years from > January 1, 1978. Rand Robinson Engineering would be the legal owner of > that intellectual property. > The previous assertion by Mike, that the KR series plans are in the > public domain, is wishful thinking on his part. > > Sid Wood > Tri-gear KR-2 N6242 > Mechanicsville, MD, USA > > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.18/1254 - Release Date: 1/31/08 8:30 PM ___ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html
KR> KR-1 Plans Available ? Where ? How Much? other Terms ?
The question I have not seen answered is whether the KR-1 plans are available from the RAND company and if so how much and how long does it take and what kind of condition are they in. IE such as complete, hi quality, accurate etc. Scott sidney.w...@l-3com.com wrote: > > >...is someone trying to down load plans without buying them or > something. If so I agree with you I have had my plans sence 1974... > - > > My reading from the Copyright Office website indicates the KR plans > copyright may expire on December 31, 2047. > http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap3.html > Copies of the plans sets were sold prior to 1978 and would be considered > as commercialized intellectual property with a repose of 70 years from > January 1, 1978. Rand Robinson Engineering would be the legal owner of > that intellectual property. > The previous assertion by Mike, that the KR series plans are in the > public domain, is wishful thinking on his part. > > Sid Wood > Tri-gear KR-2 N6242 > Mechanicsville, MD, USA > > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.18/1254 - Release Date: 1/31/08 > 8:30 PM
KR> RE: KR-1 Plans Available
>...is someone trying to down load plans without buying them or something. If so I agree with you I have had my plans sence 1974... - My reading from the Copyright Office website indicates the KR plans copyright may expire on December 31, 2047. http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap3.html Copies of the plans sets were sold prior to 1978 and would be considered as commercialized intellectual property with a repose of 70 years from January 1, 1978. Rand Robinson Engineering would be the legal owner of that intellectual property. The previous assertion by Mike, that the KR series plans are in the public domain, is wishful thinking on his part. Sid Wood Tri-gear KR-2 N6242 Mechanicsville, MD, USA
KR> Virginia Festival of Flight
Hi Guys, I'll have my KR2 at the Fly-in. It'll be the demo plane again for my EAA chapter (339). If you're coming, stop by and say hi! -Steve N808BS www.zoomshare.kr2s.com
KR> Tandem seating PT II
dustin Reves wrote: > OK after thinking about the tandem seating Idea for a few days I feel like > it will be a little bit harder than I thought it would... Every few years somebody shows up with the tandem KR idea. I've seen a few started, but none flying (I'd be interested in more info in the one flying that you know of). The biggest problem is CG, obviously, but closely related is how you support the passenger (or pilot, depending on how you did it). I'm sure the reason the KR2 is a side-by-side is the simplicity and the much more favorable CG situation, depending on whether you have a passenger or not (and I'll tell you it'll be about 95% solo at best). Being as short coupled as the KR2 is, I'd tread very carefully into the tandem zone. It's going to be a lot of research, design, and, work, and testing, and you're not going to finish building it anytime soon. People are always cautioning against modifying the design and how much longer it will take to accomplish. The tandem thing would be the ultimate shot to the head as far as time-to-complete is concerned. Why not think about the Sonerai II, and get on with building, if you must have a tandem two-place? Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL mail: N56ML "at" hiwaay.net website: www.N56ML.com
KR> RE: KRnet Digest, Vol 351, Issue 147
well. I am in the process of gathering up wood for a ragwing special biplane to indulge my more selfish side. This project will have to go fast AND be able to carry my fiance occasionally.OR, the KR1. You did not mention the requirement to carry a passenger. See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics See you at the 2009 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Ill There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for Flying has begun. Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC -Original Message- From: krnet-bounces at mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces at mylist.net] On Behalf Of dustin Reves Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 12:24 AM To: KRNET LIST POST Subject: KR> Tandem seating PT II Perhaps I should be looking at other designs? _ Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail®. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_QuickAdd1_052009
KR> Tandem seating PT II
OR, the KR1. You did not mention the requirement to carry a passenger. See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics See you at the 2009 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Ill There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for Flying has begun. Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC -Original Message- From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net] On Behalf Of dustin Reves Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 12:24 AM To: KRNET LIST POST Subject: KR> Tandem seating PT II Perhaps I should be looking at other designs?
