KR> Dragonfly canopy

[Ronald Wright]

You can also try:? Airplane Plastics in Tipp City, OHIO..? They make canopies 
for a variety of aircraft.
Ron 

 On Friday, January 23, 2015 5:17 PM, bjoenunley via KRnet  wrote:


 Todds 601Xl canopy?looks really good.?

Joe Nunley
Baker Florida


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 Original message From: CraigW via KRnet  Date:01/23/2015? 6:39 AM? (GMT-06:00) 
To: dean choitz ,KRnet  Subject: Re: KR> Dragonfly canopy 
That does sound a bit high.? Did you check with Todds Canopies.? I am 
using the
601Xl canopy and I think I paid about $400 + shipping.

Craig
Williams Seafury LS
www.kr2seafury.com

> On January 22, 2015 at 11:34 PM dean choitz via KRnet  list.krnet.org>
> wrote:
>
>
> Does 860.00 $ sound about right for a canopy that's from aircraft
> windshield company or is there a better choice for the flatter dragonfly
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KR> Wing dihedral

[Chris Prata]

To add a couple degrees would only move the upper or lower bracket's hole a 
fraction of an inch. I would think that would be hard to do. Better to make new 
attachment fittings for one side and replace them. 
Perhaps an engineer might be able to say if you could enlarge for example, the 
top attach hole by drilling the larger hole more inward. You would have to go 
up by the amount you need to move the center, and make sure the edge is at the 
edge of the original smaller hole. But you'd have less material on the attach 
fitting. Only an engineer would be able to say if that is safe and I am no 
engineer. Just my thoughts.


> Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2015 21:32:11 -0600
> To: krnet at list.krnet.org
> Subject: Re: KR> Wing dihedral
> From: krnet at list.krnet.org
> 
> I wonder if I can shim my wing attachments to create more dihedral?  I could 
> use some help with my instrument approaches  too.
> 
> Joe
> 
> 
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone
> 
>  Original message From: ppaulvsk via KRnet 
>  Date:01/23/2015  8:06 PM  (GMT-06:00) 
> To: Mark Langford ,KRnet  list.krnet.org> Subject: Re: KR> Wing dihedral 
> Thanks Mark,  I though it was you.  I guess I had it backwards.  I 
> guess increasing the dihedral will also help me shoot my ILS approaches. : )
> 
> Paul Visk
> Belleville Il
> 618-406-4705
> 
> 
> Sent on the new Sprint Network from my Samsung Galaxy S?4.
> 
>  Original message From: Mark Langford via 
> KRnet  Date:01/23/2015  7:53 PM  
> (GMT-06:00) To: KRnet  
> Subject: Re: KR> Wing dihedral 
> Paul Visk wrote:
> 
> >>I'll be drilling my wing attach brackets his weekend.  If I remember 
> right there was talk about decreasing the dilhedral a little.  Does 
> anyone remember the discussion and what was said.<<
> 
> The only discussion I remember is when I said I'd INCREASE the dihedral 
> on my next plane to improve roll stability.  I'll probably increase it 
> by a third for starters. Others may have other opinions, by every KR 
> I've flown liked to wander off to the left or right by slowly dipping a 
> wing and never come back again...
> 
> 
> Mark Langford
> ML at N56ML.com
> http://www.n56ml.com
> 
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KR> Wing dihedral

[Dan Heath]

Dihedral is good.  Why would you want to do that!  That had to be a "tongue in 
cheek" comment.

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Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC

-Original Message-
I wonder if I can shim my wing attachments to create more dihedral?  I could 
use some help with my instrument approaches  too.

KR> Wing dihedral

[ppaulvsk]

Dan, ?I was serious but I had it backwards.?

Paul Visk
Belleville Il
618-406-4705


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 Original message From: Dan Heath via KRnet 
 Date:01/23/2015  9:46 PM  (GMT-06:00) 
To: 'bjoenunley' ,'KRnet'  Subject: Re: KR> Wing dihedral 
Dihedral is good.  Why would you want to do that!  That had to be a 
"tongue in cheek" comment.

My Panther Building Documentation at PantherBuilder Web Site

Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC

-Original Message-
I wonder if I can shim my wing attachments to create more dihedral?  I could 
use some help with my instrument approaches  too.



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KR> Wing dihedral

[jon kimmel]

It is very difficult to move a hole...enlarging usually just results in a
larger hole in the same place...you can do it...it involves clamping a
large block with a predrilled hole to the part...use piloted reamers...then
ream up 1/64th at a time.  Probably easier to make new fittings in this
case.

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On Jan 23, 2015 9:47 PM, "Chris Prata via KRnet" 
wrote:

> To add a couple degrees would only move the upper or lower bracket's hole
> a fraction of an inch. I would think that would be hard to do. Better to
> make new attachment fittings for one side and replace them.
> Perhaps an engineer might be able to say if you could enlarge for example,
> the top attach hole by drilling the larger hole more inward. You would have
> to go up by the amount you need to move the center, and make sure the edge
> is at the edge of the original smaller hole. But you'd have less material
> on the attach fitting. Only an engineer would be able to say if that is
> safe and I am no engineer. Just my thoughts.
>
>
> > Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2015 21:32:11 -0600
> > To: krnet at list.krnet.org
> > Subject: Re: KR> Wing dihedral
> > From: krnet at list.krnet.org
> >
> > I wonder if I can shim my wing attachments to create more dihedral?  I
> could use some help with my instrument approaches  too.
> >
> > Joe
> >
> >
> > Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone
> >
> >  Original message From: ppaulvsk via
> KRnet  Date:01/23/2015  8:06 PM
> (GMT-06:00) To: Mark Langford ,KRnet <
> krnet at list.krnet.org> Subject: Re: KR> Wing dihedral
> 
> > Thanks Mark,  I though it was you.  I guess I had it backwards.  I
> guess increasing the dihedral will also help me shoot my ILS approaches. : )
> >
> > Paul Visk
> > Belleville Il
> > 618-406-4705
> >
> >
> > Sent on the new Sprint Network from my Samsung Galaxy S?4.
> >
> >  Original message From: Mark Langford
> via KRnet  Date:01/23/2015  7:53 PM
> (GMT-06:00) To: KRnet 
> Subject: Re: KR> Wing dihedral 
> > Paul Visk wrote:
> >
> > >>I'll be drilling my wing attach brackets his weekend.  If I remember
> > right there was talk about decreasing the dilhedral a little.  Does
> > anyone remember the discussion and what was said.<<
> >
> > The only discussion I remember is when I said I'd INCREASE the dihedral
> > on my next plane to improve roll stability.  I'll probably increase it
> > by a third for starters. Others may have other opinions, by every KR
> > I've flown liked to wander off to the left or right by slowly dipping a
> > wing and never come back again...
> >
> >
> > Mark Langford
> > ML at N56ML.com
> > http://www.n56ml.com
> >
> >
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KR> Wing dihedral

[bjoenunley]

I wonder if I can shim my wing attachments to?create more?dihedral? ?I could 
use some help with my instrument approaches ?too.

Joe


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 Original message From: ppaulvsk via KRnet 
 Date:01/23/2015  8:06 PM  (GMT-06:00) 
To: Mark Langford ,KRnet  
Subject: Re: KR> Wing dihedral 
Thanks Mark,  I though it was you.  I guess I had it backwards.  I guess 
increasing the dihedral will also help me shoot my ILS approaches. : )

Paul Visk
Belleville Il
618-406-4705


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 Original message From: Mark Langford via KRnet 
 Date:01/23/2015  7:53 PM  (GMT-06:00) 
To: KRnet  Subject: Re: KR> Wing 
dihedral 
Paul Visk wrote:

>>I'll be drilling my wing attach brackets his weekend.  If I remember 
right there was talk about decreasing the dilhedral a little.  Does 
anyone remember the discussion and what was said.<<

The only discussion I remember is when I said I'd INCREASE the dihedral 
on my next plane to improve roll stability.  I'll probably increase it 
by a third for starters. Others may have other opinions, by every KR 
I've flown liked to wander off to the left or right by slowly dipping a 
wing and never come back again...


Mark Langford
ML at N56ML.com
http://www.n56ml.com


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KR> Motus/Viking engines

[Tony King]

As I understand it you can build the Aerovee (which only comes as a kit) with 
either 7:1 compression (for mogas) or 8:1 (for avgas).  The others I think are 
at least 8:1.

TK

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> On 23 Jan 2015, at 7:55 pm, Chris Prata via KRnet  
> wrote:
> 
> One confusing things is the differences between the three VW engine 
> suppliers. AeroVee seems to call for much lower octane (90) than the others 
> (96 ot AvGas). If I donty use the Jabiru, I'm leaning toward an aerovee 
> turbo, to normalize at altitude. When I flew my Avid over the Rockies, it got 
> a little anemic from the thin air. Takeoff runs were also surprisingly long 
> at high elev airports. A turbocharger fixes that and you get the double 
> benefit of the less resistance of thin air, plus the normalized power. 
> 

KR> Wing dihedral

[ppaulvsk]

Thanks Mark, ?I though it was you. ?I guess I had it backwards. ?I guess 
increasing the dihedral will also help me shoot my ILS approaches. : )

Paul Visk
Belleville Il
618-406-4705


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 Original message From: Mark Langford via KRnet 
 Date:01/23/2015  7:53 PM  (GMT-06:00) 
To: KRnet  Subject: Re: KR> Wing 
dihedral 
Paul Visk wrote:

>>I'll be drilling my wing attach brackets his weekend.  If I remember 
right there was talk about decreasing the dilhedral a little.  Does 
anyone remember the discussion and what was said.<<

The only discussion I remember is when I said I'd INCREASE the dihedral 
on my next plane to improve roll stability.  I'll probably increase it 
by a third for starters. Others may have other opinions, by every KR 
I've flown liked to wander off to the left or right by slowly dipping a 
wing and never come back again...


Mark Langford
ML at N56ML.com
http://www.n56ml.com


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KR> Wing dihedral

[Mark Langford]

Paul Visk wrote:

 >>I'll be drilling my wing attach brackets his weekend.  If I remember 
right there was talk about decreasing the dilhedral a little.  Does 
anyone remember the discussion and what was said.<<

The only discussion I remember is when I said I'd INCREASE the dihedral 
on my next plane to improve roll stability.  I'll probably increase it 
by a third for starters. Others may have other opinions, by every KR 
I've flown liked to wander off to the left or right by slowly dipping a 
wing and never come back again...


Mark Langford
ML at N56ML.com
http://www.n56ml.com

KR> Motus/Viking engines

[Richard Kaczmarek]

I have several thousand hours behind the VW and is probably the only auto
conversion I would ever fly behind. Joe at Revmaster is amazing to work
with. If I wasn't going to do it or the 0-200 I myself would go with
ULPower  I really don't want to deal with the weight of water to cool the
engine plus it's just bulky all together. The UL engine is perpus built and
they have been around for better then 10 years now. Not to mention the cost
is about the same. After flying a Rans S-6 with a 912 I don't want leaking
water pumps and gearboxes.  Granted Rotax did a good job of taking care of
warranty it was still an issue that will arise with a water cooled engine
and if it happens in flight you may not realize it till to late. Why add
more issues just remember KISS Keep It Simple Stupid. Just my 2 cents.

Richard Kaczmarek
Fast Little Airplanes LLC
937-243-7303
On Jan 23, 2015 6:34 PM, "bjoenunley via KRnet" 
wrote:

> I was looking everywhere for an O200 and found O320 's all day long. I
> felt at the time that the O320 was too big.  I couldnt find a good deal on
> an O200 so I gave up on the O200 and purchased a Honda.
>
> Joe
>
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone
>
>  Original message From: Dan Heath via
> KRnet  Date:01/23/2015  4:53 AM
> (GMT-06:00) To: 'Chris Prata' ,'KRnet' <
> krnet at list.krnet.org> Subject: Re: KR> Motus/Viking engines
> 
> I have been around the VW aircraft engine world for over 20 years.
> My first
> was an 1835, which was adequate.  135mph in my KR2.  Cracked engine case
> forced a change so I built it up to a 1915 and saw smoother performance,
> but
> not much else.  My next KR2 had a GPASC 2180 which over heated the oil
> badly
> until I put on some oil cooling mods from Revmaster.  I have spent a lot of
> time talking with Revmaster and looked at their engines very closely.  If I
> were to use a VW, there would be no doubt that it would be a Revmaster
> because I don't think either of the other two are even close to the quality
> put out by Joe Horvath at Revmaster.
>
>
>
> I now have a 2700 Corvair built by Roy Szaravinski at RoyGarage.com and it
> is a great engine.
>
>
>
> If I could afford it, I would seriously be considering the UL Power
> engines,
> but for an economical engine, if your plane can take the weight, a Lycoming
> 320 would be great for slightly less weight, get a re-built Cont 0200 if
> you
> can find one.  I understand that the 320 is the easiest to find because
> there are so many of them.
>
>
>
> See N64KR at   http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on
> the pics
>
>
>
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>
>
>
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>
>
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>
>
>
>
> Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC
>
>
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KR> Wing dihedral

[ppaulvsk]

Good evening, ?I'll be drilling my wing attach brackets his weekend. ?If I 
remember right there was talk about decreasing the dilhedral a little. ?Does 
anyone remember the discussion and what was said.

Paul Visk
Belleville Il
618-406-4705?
?

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KR> Dragonfly canopy

[Richard Kaczmarek]

Airplane Plastics is where I have gotten all mine and a great husband wife
team to work with not to mention thier prices are good.

Richard Kaczmarek
Fast Little Airplanes LLC
937-243-7303
On Jan 23, 2015 6:20 PM, "Ronald Wright via KRnet" 
wrote:

> You can also try:  Airplane Plastics in Tipp City, OHIO..  They make
> canopies for a variety of aircraft.
> Ron
>
>  On Friday, January 23, 2015 5:17 PM, bjoenunley via KRnet <
> krnet at list.krnet.org> wrote:
>
>
>  Todds 601Xl canopy looks really good.
>
> Joe Nunley
> Baker Florida
>
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone
>
>  Original message From: CraigW via KRnet <
> krnet at list.krnet.org> Date:01/23/2015  6:39 AM  (GMT-06:00)
> To: dean choitz ,KRnet <
> krnet at list.krnet.org> Subject: Re: KR> Dragonfly canopy
> 
> That does sound a bit high.  Did you check with Todds Canopies.  I
> am using the
> 601Xl canopy and I think I paid about $400 + shipping.
>
> Craig
> Williams Seafury LS
> www.kr2seafury.com
>
> > On January 22, 2015 at 11:34 PM dean choitz via KRnet <
> krnet at list.krnet.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> > Does 860.00 $ sound about right for a canopy that's from aircraft
> > windshield company or is there a better choice for the flatter dragonfly
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KR> Forum flyers

[peter]

Trevor; As Mac McClellen has said a million times: IFR 
survival is a matter of stacking as many chips in your corner as you can. Speed 
is less important than endurance (fuel) because time in the air equals options. 
The difference between a stable IFR platform and a nimble one is the same as 
the difference between a Goldwing and a Caddi. You can (probably) undress and 
make love while driving a sedan, but you must ride the bike all the time. A 
Low-workload airframe equals time to think and better situational awareness on 
approach.
??? Just keeping a wooden prop in good condition in heavy rain, much less hail, 
is difficult, and how many krs are using wood props? How well does the KR 
handle light icing? How far does the CG move with fuel burn? 
? ? Just surviving your first 100hrs of hard IFR is a challenge. Getting a KR 
finished and test-flown is a real challenge. Getting through your first 100hrs 
of solo flying is a challenge. Many KRs sit unfinished, many IFR tickets 
unused, many retractables are hangar queens. Choose your battles, enjoy your KR 
friends, and if you want a survival challenge, survive a year riding a 
motorcycle.   

KR> Motus/Viking engines

[bjoenunley]

I was looking everywhere for an O200 and found O320 's all day long. I felt at 
the time that the O320 was too big. ?I couldnt find a good deal on an O200 so I 
gave up on the O200 and purchased a Honda.?

Joe


Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone

 Original message From: Dan Heath via KRnet 
 Date:01/23/2015  4:53 AM  (GMT-06:00) 
To: 'Chris Prata' ,'KRnet'  Subject: Re: KR> Motus/Viking engines 
I have been around the VW aircraft engine world for over 20 years.  My 
first
was an 1835, which was adequate.  135mph in my KR2.  Cracked engine case
forced a change so I built it up to a 1915 and saw smoother performance, but
not much else.  My next KR2 had a GPASC 2180 which over heated the oil badly
until I put on some oil cooling mods from Revmaster.  I have spent a lot of
time talking with Revmaster and looked at their engines very closely.  If I
were to use a VW, there would be no doubt that it would be a Revmaster
because I don't think either of the other two are even close to the quality
put out by Joe Horvath at Revmaster.



I now have a 2700 Corvair built by Roy Szaravinski at RoyGarage.com and it
is a great engine.



If I could afford it, I would seriously be considering the UL Power engines,
but for an economical engine, if your plane can take the weight, a Lycoming
320 would be great for slightly less weight, get a re-built Cont 0200 if you
can find one.  I understand that the 320 is the easiest to find because
there are so many of them.



See N64KR at   http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on
the pics 



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Best KR at 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il - MVN 

Best Interior at 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il - MVN 

Best Paint at 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il - MVN 

Best Firwwall Forward at 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il - MVN 



Best Interior and Panel at 2008 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il - MVN





Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC



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KR> Dragonfly canopy

[bjoenunley]

Todds 601Xl canopy?looks really good.?

Joe Nunley
Baker Florida


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 Original message From: CraigW via KRnet  Date:01/23/2015  6:39 AM  (GMT-06:00) 
To: dean choitz ,KRnet  Subject: Re: KR> Dragonfly canopy 
That does sound a bit high.  Did you check with Todds Canopies.  I am 
using the
601Xl canopy and I think I paid about $400 + shipping.

Craig
Williams Seafury LS
www.kr2seafury.com

> On January 22, 2015 at 11:34 PM dean choitz via KRnet  list.krnet.org>
> wrote:
>
>
> Does 860.00 $ sound about right for a canopy that's from aircraft
> windshield company or is there a better choice for the flatter dragonfly
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KR> Brake Bleeding

[Phillip Matheson]

Subject: Re: KR> Brake Bleeding

I do mine from the bottom up using a squirt can. Just put towels near the 
top vent. Connect and squirt.



I also use a pressure gun from the bottom, but I found a small bolt that 
fitted the fill hole in the master cylinder, I drill this through the centre 
of the bolt, pushed a clear plastic tube over the end of the bolt, then 
screwed in the top of master Cylinder, then if you over fill , the fluid 
will travel up the tube so you can see it, then just remove the gun from the 
bleeder and let it drain back down till the fluid is at the required level 
in the master cylinder.

NO MESS to clean up.


Phil.

KR> Brake Bleeding

[danrh at windstream.net]

The reservoir is very small.  I installed mine on the inside of the firewall, 
but then, I did not have a header tank taking up that space.  The RV guys 
install it on the engine side.  I will be that it takes up less weight than the 
reservoir on each master cylinder where they are contained on each cylinder.

On Friday, January 23, 2015 1:37 PM, Sid Wood via KRnet  wrote: 

=
Having done this brake bleeding only three times now on my KR-2, I am 
definitely a believer in installing a remote and accessible reservoir for 
the master cylinders.  A plastic unit to visually check on preflight would 
be just the thing.  Where to install the reservoir may require some creative 
thinking.  A reservoir full of hydraulic oil is yet another added weight. 
Everything airplane is a trade off. 

Sid Wood 
Tri-gear KR-2 N6242 
Mechanicsville, MD, USA 
--- 
I do mine from the bottom up using a squirt can. Just put towels near the 
top vent. Connect and squirt. 
 
I also use a pressure gun from the bottom, but I found a small bolt that 
fitted the fill hole in the master cylinder, I drill this through the centre 
of the bolt, pushed a clear plastic tube over the end of the bolt, then 
screwed in the top of master Cylinder, then if you over fill , the fluid 
will travel up the tube so you can see it, then just remove the gun from the 
bleeder and let it drain back down till the fluid is at the required level 
in the master cylinder. 

NO MESS to clean up. 

Phil. 



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KR> Brake Bleeding

[Sid Wood]

Having done this brake bleeding only three times now on my KR-2, I am 
definitely a believer in installing a remote and accessible reservoir for 
the master cylinders.  A plastic unit to visually check on preflight would 
be just the thing.  Where to install the reservoir may require some creative 
thinking.  A reservoir full of hydraulic oil is yet another added weight. 
Everything airplane is a trade off.

Sid Wood
Tri-gear KR-2 N6242
Mechanicsville, MD, USA
---
I do mine from the bottom up using a squirt can. Just put towels near the
top vent. Connect and squirt.

I also use a pressure gun from the bottom, but I found a small bolt that
fitted the fill hole in the master cylinder, I drill this through the centre
of the bolt, pushed a clear plastic tube over the end of the bolt, then
screwed in the top of master Cylinder, then if you over fill , the fluid
will travel up the tube so you can see it, then just remove the gun from the
bleeder and let it drain back down till the fluid is at the required level
in the master cylinder.

NO MESS to clean up.

Phil.

KR> Anyone looking for Diehl 'conventional' gear legs? I have some and need the tri-gear style...

[Dave Acklam]

If this doesn't work, I'll probably do the 'shim' thing to get the wheel
alignment right...

But since some people end up wanting to switch from trike to taildragger
(the reverse of what I'm doing)...

I'd be interested in a trade, if anyone else is...

The legs I have are drilled & wrapped already, there's nothing wrong with
them, they're just for a wheel config I'd rather not use...

KR> Dragonfly canopy

[Mark Langford]

Dean Choitz wrote:

>> Does $860.00 sound about right for a canopy that's from aircraft
windshield company or is there a better choice for the flatter dragonfly<<

The "real" molded Dragonfly canopies are not cheap, and this price is about
what I've heard for several years now, since Slipstream sold out (or moved).
Aircraft Windshield has a pretty good reputation.  Mine was pretty steep and
I probably bought it 18 years ago from Slipstream.  Stef mentioned another
source a few months ago, but I didn't follow the link and check the price or
location. There are other alternatives as well, but unless it's used or
damaged, it won't be cheap.  Even damaged works, as Larry Flesner will tell
you about the Pulsar(?) canopy he used.  Willie Wilson used a Grob
motorglider canopy turned backwards.  The Thorp T-18 canopy looks good to
me.  Todd's makes one of the least expensive, and most people that have them
are happy with them.  Lots of choices...

Mark Langford, Harvest, AL
ML at N56ML.com
www.N56ML.com 

KR> Dragonfly canopy

[CraigW]

That does sound a bit high.  Did you check with Todds Canopies.  I am using the
601Xl canopy and I think I paid about $400 + shipping.

Craig
Williams Seafury LS
www.kr2seafury.com

> On January 22, 2015 at 11:34 PM dean choitz via KRnet  list.krnet.org>
> wrote:
>
>
> Does 860.00 $ sound about right for a canopy that's from aircraft
> windshield company or is there a better choice for the flatter dragonfly
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KR> Motus/Viking engines

[CraigW]

Interesting.  I had contacted Jan a few years ago when Motus was just getting
started and tallked to him about this new engine.  I guess he took the idea and
ran with it.  As far as the price I think it is a bit steep but there is an alot
of time and effort to bring any new product to market.  I am learning that first
hand with my Annunciation unit.  Volume is everything.  I don't like that Jan is
doing this on the customers nickle.  That is dangerous but I think he will
deliver a useful product eventually.

Craig
www.kr2seafury.com



> On January 23, 2015 at 3:36 AM Chris Prata via KRnet 
> wrote:
>
>
> $24k? I'll pass on this one!
> The Viking 135 is a new product and will be completely tested and ready for
> deliveries in January of 2016
> In order to qualify for the introductory pricing of the Viking 135 aircraft
> engine, you need to participate during the next 12 months by paying the
> $1,666.25 monthly on this shopping cart. Your engine will be delivered at the
> Sebring air show, during a delivery ceremony, January 2016. The engine list
> price is $24,995. Your total price will be $1,666.25 x 12 = $19,995Engine
> testing progress reports will be made at the Viking forum weekly newsletter
> and also directly on the forum.
> You need to make 12 payments, starting in January of 2015. There is no penalty
> to cancel the order other than the loss of a delivery position for the
> discounted price. Any refunds would be made after the delivery serimony in
> 2016. Once you place the first payment, you willreceive an official invoice
> from Viking, and your payments will be deducted monthly, as you make them.
> http://www.shop.vikingaircraftengines.com/Viking-135-Viking-135.htm
>
>
>
> > Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2015 00:10:32 -0800
> > To: jiroyamamoto at hotmail.com; krnet at list.krnet.org
> > Subject: Re: KR> Yamaha Genesis, Motus/Viking engines
> > From: krnet at list.krnet.org
> >
> > On 1/22/2015 2:59 PM, Jiro via KRnet wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Yamaha Genesis Snowmobile engine:
> > >
> > > Rotary Forum has had extensive discussions of and by folks
> > > who have adapted the Yamaha Genesis 3 or 4 cylinder snowmobile engines for
> > > use
> > > in gyros. The links below are to the latest and apparently more available
> > > adapter called ?Skytrax?by it's creator Neal Jenkings. This
> > > allows a Rotax C box to bolt up to the 4 cylinder RX-1 years 2003-5 The
> > > cost is
> > > $1500 for the adapter and then the C Box needs some machining (which the
> > > fabricator will do for shipping costs). Neal is using carburetors on his
> > > autogyro.
> > >
> > > Here is one of the most recent Rotary Forum discussions
> > >
> > > http://www.rotaryforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=37557=5
> > >
> > > Here is his you tube video of how to bolt up the conversion
> > > adapter and the C box.
> > >
> > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8UXxcV1CFQ
> > >
> > > There are several threads on the Rotary Forum. I have read
> > > some of them and will summarize. The 3 cylinder is much harder to adapt,
> > > spins
> > > slower about 8700 rpm and makes 120 hp carbs, 130 hp EFI. There are
> > > various
> > > adaptions of the 3 cylinder, but it seems to be on a custom basis.
> > >
> > > The 4 cylinder RX-1 revs to 10,700rpm and makes up to 150 hp
> > > is the R1 motorcycle engine adapted to snowmobile use with a CVT. This
> > > required
> > > an internal reduction of 1:1.19 and a harmonic balancer. The cover for the
> > > balancer and
> > > reduction Skytrax replaces allowing the C box to bolt to the engine.
> > > Another
> > > fabricator designed and marketed a two piece plate that can be adapted to
> > > any
> > > gearbox. I believe this costs $1300. I am not sure of availability.
> > >
> > > These are used snowmobile engines which cost $2000-$4500.
> > > There is debate on the suitability of the C box for the RX-1 given it?s
> > > 150
> > > peak hp and high rpm. The weight of the RX-1 FWF (or FW rearward) seems to
> > > be
> > > about 165-170 lbs including fluids, radiator and everything else. There
> > > are few
> > > hundred hours on the Genesis engines aero converted. I don?t recall I
> > > think the
> > > 3 cylinder engines had more air time.
> > >
> > > Motus
> > >
> > >
> > > VikingAircraft lists the Viking 135 for about $20,000. This
> > > is the Motus aero conversion. There is very little info on their site
> > >
> > > http://www.shop.vikingaircraftengines.com/Viking-Engines_c15.htm
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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KR> engines

[Flesner]

At 04:53 AM 1/23/2015, you wrote:
>If I could afford it, I would seriously be considering the UL Power engines,
>but for an economical engine, if your plane can take the weight, a Lycoming
>320 would be great for slightly less weight, get a re-built Cont 0200 if you
>can find one.  I understand that the 320 is the easiest to find because
>there are so many of them.
>++


I consider the Lycombing 0-320 too much engine, weight and power, for 
the KR unless you make considerable modifications.
The 0-200 and Corvair are as big as you need on the KR for a great 
flying airplane.  If you have an 0-320, put it on an RV.

Larry Flesner

KR> Brake Bleeding

[Dan Heath]

Put an end to that problem forever.  Install master cylinders with a
separate reservoir.  I like the clear ones so you can see when it is filling
up.  Then get one of these and fill them from the bleeder.  It is a good
candidate for a group buy, but not so expensive that it is not worth having
in your personal tool box.



 <http://www.aircraft-tool.com/shop/detail.aspx?PRODUCT_ID=225DX> BRAKE
BLEEDER TANK(225DX)

 <http://www.aircraft-tool.com/shop/detail.aspx?PRODUCT_ID=225DX> BRAKE
BLEEDER TANK 

P/N 225DX 

Our new Deluxe Brake Bleeder Tank has been completely redesigned to resist
the solvent effects of most types of aviation brake fluids. The high-impact
plastic reservoir and specialized seals are compatible with 5606 and
Skydrol. 

Price: $89.95  Sale: $79.95 





In case this disappears, it is a 225DX from:



http://www.aircraft-tool.com/shop/search.aspx?keyword=225DX



I messed up my first one from leaving the fluid in it for a very long time.
I think this one is more tolerant than the first, but I would not leave
fluid in it when finished with the task.



I am glad I looked this up for you cause I now see that they are on sale and
will be ordering my new one today.



Thanks.



See N64KR at  <http://krbuilder.org/> http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on
the pics 



2015 KR Gathering - McMinnville, OR.  September 3 - 6 -- See U There.



Peoples Choice at 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il - MVN 

Best KR at 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il - MVN 

Best Interior at 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il - MVN 

Best Paint at 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il - MVN 

Best Firwwall Forward at 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il - MVN 



Best Interior and Panel at 2008 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il - MVN





Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC







-Original Message-





I do mine from the bottom up using a squirt can. Just put towels near the
top vent. Connect and squirt.

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KR> Motus/Viking engines

[Dan Heath]

I have been around the VW aircraft engine world for over 20 years.  My first
was an 1835, which was adequate.  135mph in my KR2.  Cracked engine case
forced a change so I built it up to a 1915 and saw smoother performance, but
not much else.  My next KR2 had a GPASC 2180 which over heated the oil badly
until I put on some oil cooling mods from Revmaster.  I have spent a lot of
time talking with Revmaster and looked at their engines very closely.  If I
were to use a VW, there would be no doubt that it would be a Revmaster
because I don't think either of the other two are even close to the quality
put out by Joe Horvath at Revmaster.



I now have a 2700 Corvair built by Roy Szaravinski at RoyGarage.com and it
is a great engine.



If I could afford it, I would seriously be considering the UL Power engines,
but for an economical engine, if your plane can take the weight, a Lycoming
320 would be great for slightly less weight, get a re-built Cont 0200 if you
can find one.  I understand that the 320 is the easiest to find because
there are so many of them.



See N64KR at   http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on
the pics 



2015 KR Gathering - McMinnville, OR.  September 3 - 6 -- See U There.



Peoples Choice at 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il - MVN 

Best KR at 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il - MVN 

Best Interior at 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il - MVN 

Best Paint at 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il - MVN 

Best Firwwall Forward at 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il - MVN 



Best Interior and Panel at 2008 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il - MVN





Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC

KR> Motus/Viking engines

[Chris Prata]

Who "advertised" anything? I posted what I see as risky terms of paying in 
advance for a currently nonexistant product. That was responding to info on 
Yamaha and Motus engine options, plus a PSRU someone is making for the Yamaha.
I honestly did not see any "advertising", just info sharing.
Meanwhile, I have spent this evening developing a spreadsheet of engine 
choices, including weights, specs, and so on.  They range in power from 60HP to 
180HP and in weight from 120 to 225lbs.
The original KR1 had a small VW Type 1 engine. In a few years, those were being 
enlarged with bigger cylinders and longer stroke reground cranks. Crank 
breakage caused forged cranks and other mods to come into the mix. Now, it 
appears there are three makers of VW derivative engines available, with 
displacement from 1600 to 2300 cc, and one with a turbo option. Those makers 
are Great Plains, AeroVee, and Revmaster.  Personally, I have a Jabiru 2200 on 
my Avid Flyer, which I may use on my upcoming KR1 project. 
Additional engines which may or may not be a candidate include:
Rotax 912/912ULSHKS 700e and TurboYamaha RX1 and GenesisThis upcoming "American 
V4"Jabiru 2200/3300Corvair - 3 sizes up to 3000cc

And who knows what else.
They also range in cost from a few thousand to build your own VW based basic 
engine, through 20 thousand for a Rotax 912ULS.

One confusing things is the differences between the three VW engine suppliers. 
AeroVee seems to call for much lower octane (90) than the others (96 ot AvGas). 
If I donty use the Jabiru, I'm leaning toward an aerovee turbo, to normalize at 
altitude. When I flew my Avid over the Rockies, it got a little anemic from the 
thin air. Takeoff runs were also surprisingly long at high elev airports. A 
turbocharger fixes that and you get the double benefit of the less resistance 
of thin air, plus the normalized power. 


> >
> ...From the "KRnetiquette..."
> 
> 10) Do not advertise commercial products to this list. It's OK to let 
> folks know there's a new service or a new business, but point them to 
> web site. We don't need a bunch of advertising here. Personal 
> testimonials as to a product's usefullness are welcome anytime, as long 
> as it's not YOUR product. Advertising and selling KRs or KR parts IS 
> permissible anytime, however.

KR> Motus/Viking engines

[Chris Prata]

$24k?  I'll pass on this one!  
The Viking 135 is a new product and will be completely tested and ready for 
deliveries in January of 2016
In order to qualify for the introductory pricing of the Viking 135 aircraft 
engine, you need to participate during the next 12 months by paying the 
$1,666.25 monthly on this shopping cart.  Your engine will be delivered at the 
Sebring air show, during a delivery ceremony, January 2016. The engine list 
price is $24,995.  Your total price will be $1,666.25 x 12 = $19,995Engine 
testing progress reports will be made at the Viking forum weekly newsletter and 
also directly on the forum.  
You need to make 12 payments, starting in January of 2015. There is no penalty 
to cancel the order other than the loss of a delivery position for the 
discounted price.  Any refunds would be made after the delivery serimony in 
2016.  Once you place the first payment, you willreceive an official invoice 
from Viking, and your payments will be deducted monthly, as you make them.
http://www.shop.vikingaircraftengines.com/Viking-135-Viking-135.htm



> Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2015 00:10:32 -0800
> To: jiroyamamoto at hotmail.com; krnet at list.krnet.org
> Subject: Re: KR> Yamaha Genesis, Motus/Viking engines
> From: krnet at list.krnet.org
> 
> On 1/22/2015 2:59 PM, Jiro via KRnet wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yamaha Genesis Snowmobile engine:
> >
> > Rotary Forum has had extensive discussions of and by folks
> > who have adapted the Yamaha Genesis 3 or 4 cylinder snowmobile engines for 
> > use
> > in gyros. The links below are to the latest and apparently more available
> > adapter called ?Skytrax?by it's creator Neal Jenkings.  This
> > allows a Rotax C box to bolt up to the 4 cylinder RX-1 years 2003-5 The 
> > cost is
> > $1500 for the adapter and then the C Box needs some machining (which the
> > fabricator will do for shipping costs). Neal is using carburetors on his 
> > autogyro.
> >
> > Here is one of the most recent Rotary Forum discussions
> >
> > http://www.rotaryforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=37557=5
> >
> > Here is his you tube video of how to bolt up the conversion
> > adapter and the C box.
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8UXxcV1CFQ
> >
> > There are several threads on the Rotary Forum. I have read
> > some of them and will summarize. The 3 cylinder is much harder to adapt, 
> > spins
> > slower about 8700 rpm and makes 120 hp carbs, 130 hp EFI. There are various
> > adaptions of the 3 cylinder, but it seems to be on a custom basis.
> >
> > The 4 cylinder RX-1 revs to 10,700rpm and makes up to 150 hp
> > is the R1 motorcycle engine adapted to snowmobile use with a CVT. This 
> > required
> > an internal reduction of 1:1.19  and a harmonic balancer. The cover for the 
> > balancer and
> > reduction Skytrax replaces allowing the C box to bolt to the engine. Another
> > fabricator designed and marketed a two piece plate that can be adapted to 
> > any
> > gearbox. I believe this costs $1300. I am not sure of availability.
> >
> > These are used snowmobile engines which cost $2000-$4500.
> > There is debate on the suitability of the C box for the RX-1 given it?s 150
> > peak hp and high rpm. The weight of the RX-1 FWF (or FW rearward) seems to 
> > be
> > about 165-170 lbs including fluids, radiator and everything else. There are 
> > few
> > hundred hours on the Genesis engines aero converted. I don?t recall I think 
> > the
> > 3 cylinder engines had more air time.
> >
> >   Motus
> >
> >
> > VikingAircraft lists the Viking 135 for about $20,000. This
> > is the Motus aero conversion. There is very little info on their site
> >
> > http://www.shop.vikingaircraftengines.com/Viking-Engines_c15.htm
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 
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KR> Brake Bleeding

[Paul]

I do mine from the bottom up using a squirt can. Just put towels near the top 
vent. Connect and squirt. 

- Original Message -

From: "Sid Wood via KRnet"  
To: krnet at list.krnet.org 
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2015 6:31:01 PM 
Subject: KR> Brake Bleeding 

"?Bleeding the brake system is 
fairly simple but messy and downright awkward on my KR-2 with the master 
cylinders tucked away under the panel." 
Sid Wood 
Tri-gear KR-2 N6242 
Mechanicsville, MD, USA 




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KR> Motus/Viking engines

[John Edwards]

On 1/23/2015 12:36 AM, Chris Prata via KRnet wrote:
> $24k?  I'll pass on this one!
> The Viking 135 is a new product and will be completely tested and ready for 
> deliveries in January of 2016
> In order to qualify for the introductory pricing of the Viking 135 aircraft 
> engine, you need to participate during the next 12 months by paying the 
> $1,666.25 monthly on this shopping cart.  Your engine will be delivered at 
> the Sebring air show, during a delivery ceremony, January 2016. The engine 
> list price is $24,995.  Your total price will be $1,666.25 x 12 = 
> $19,995Engine testing progress reports will be made at the Viking forum 
> weekly newsletter and also directly on the forum.
> You need to make 12 payments, starting in January of 2015. There is no 
> penalty to cancel the order other than the loss of a delivery position for 
> the discounted price.  Any refunds would be made after the delivery serimony 
> in 2016.  Once you place the first payment, you willreceive an official 
> invoice from Viking, and your payments will be deducted monthly, as you make 
> them.
> http://www.shop.vikingaircraftengines.com/Viking-135-Viking-135.htm
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>> Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2015 00:10:32 -0800
>> To: jiroyamamoto at hotmail.com; krnet at list.krnet.org
>> Subject: Re: KR> Yamaha Genesis, Motus/Viking engines
>> From: krnet at list.krnet.org
>>
>> On 1/22/2015 2:59 PM, Jiro via KRnet wrote:
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>>> Yamaha Genesis Snowmobile engine:
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>>> Rotary Forum has had extensive discussions of and by folks
>>> who have adapted the Yamaha Genesis 3 or 4 cylinder snowmobile engines for 
>>> use
>>> in gyros. The links below are to the latest and apparently more available
>>> adapter called ?Skytrax?by it's creator Neal Jenkings.  This
>>> allows a Rotax C box to bolt up to the 4 cylinder RX-1 years 2003-5 The 
>>> cost is
>>> $1500 for the adapter and then the C Box needs some machining (which the
>>> fabricator will do for shipping costs). Neal is using carburetors on his 
>>> autogyro.
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>>> Here is one of the most recent Rotary Forum discussions
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>>> http://www.rotaryforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=37557=5
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>>> Here is his you tube video of how to bolt up the conversion
>>> adapter and the C box.
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>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8UXxcV1CFQ
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>>> There are several threads on the Rotary Forum. I have read
>>> some of them and will summarize. The 3 cylinder is much harder to adapt, 
>>> spins
>>> slower about 8700 rpm and makes 120 hp carbs, 130 hp EFI. There are various
>>> adaptions of the 3 cylinder, but it seems to be on a custom basis.
>>>
>>> The 4 cylinder RX-1 revs to 10,700rpm and makes up to 150 hp
>>> is the R1 motorcycle engine adapted to snowmobile use with a CVT. This 
>>> required
>>> an internal reduction of 1:1.19  and a harmonic balancer. The cover for the 
>>> balancer and
>>> reduction Skytrax replaces allowing the C box to bolt to the engine. Another
>>> fabricator designed and marketed a two piece plate that can be adapted to 
>>> any
>>> gearbox. I believe this costs $1300. I am not sure of availability.
>>>
>>> These are used snowmobile engines which cost $2000-$4500.
>>> There is debate on the suitability of the C box for the RX-1 given it?s 150
>>> peak hp and high rpm. The weight of the RX-1 FWF (or FW rearward) seems to 
>>> be
>>> about 165-170 lbs including fluids, radiator and everything else. There are 
>>> few
>>> hundred hours on the Genesis engines aero converted. I don?t recall I think 
>>> the
>>> 3 cylinder engines had more air time.
>>>
>>>Motus
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>>>
>>> VikingAircraft lists the Viking 135 for about $20,000. This
>>> is the Motus aero conversion. There is very little info on their site
>>>
>>> http://www.shop.vikingaircraftengines.com/Viking-Engines_c15.htm
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>> If this is going to be a forum for buy/selling Viking engines, I need
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KR> Yamaha Genesis, Motus/Viking engines

[John Edwards]

On 1/22/2015 2:59 PM, Jiro via KRnet wrote:
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> Yamaha Genesis Snowmobile engine:
>
> Rotary Forum has had extensive discussions of and by folks
> who have adapted the Yamaha Genesis 3 or 4 cylinder snowmobile engines for use
> in gyros. The links below are to the latest and apparently more available
> adapter called ?Skytrax?by it's creator Neal Jenkings.  This
> allows a Rotax C box to bolt up to the 4 cylinder RX-1 years 2003-5 The cost 
> is
> $1500 for the adapter and then the C Box needs some machining (which the
> fabricator will do for shipping costs). Neal is using carburetors on his 
> autogyro.
>
> Here is one of the most recent Rotary Forum discussions
>
> http://www.rotaryforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=37557=5
>
> Here is his you tube video of how to bolt up the conversion
> adapter and the C box.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8UXxcV1CFQ
>
> There are several threads on the Rotary Forum. I have read
> some of them and will summarize. The 3 cylinder is much harder to adapt, spins
> slower about 8700 rpm and makes 120 hp carbs, 130 hp EFI. There are various
> adaptions of the 3 cylinder, but it seems to be on a custom basis.
>
> The 4 cylinder RX-1 revs to 10,700rpm and makes up to 150 hp
> is the R1 motorcycle engine adapted to snowmobile use with a CVT. This 
> required
> an internal reduction of 1:1.19  and a harmonic balancer. The cover for the 
> balancer and
> reduction Skytrax replaces allowing the C box to bolt to the engine. Another
> fabricator designed and marketed a two piece plate that can be adapted to any
> gearbox. I believe this costs $1300. I am not sure of availability.
>
> These are used snowmobile engines which cost $2000-$4500.
> There is debate on the suitability of the C box for the RX-1 given it?s 150
> peak hp and high rpm. The weight of the RX-1 FWF (or FW rearward) seems to be
> about 165-170 lbs including fluids, radiator and everything else. There are 
> few
> hundred hours on the Genesis engines aero converted. I don?t recall I think 
> the
> 3 cylinder engines had more air time.
>
>   Motus
>
>
> VikingAircraft lists the Viking 135 for about $20,000. This
> is the Motus aero conversion. There is very little info on their site
>
> http://www.shop.vikingaircraftengines.com/Viking-Engines_c15.htm
>
>
>
>
>
>   
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If this is going to be a forum for buy/selling Viking engines, I need 
tag this as junk mail so it goes to the appropriate folder.