KR> KRnet archive donation request

[Chris Prata]

SENT $10

> Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2015 19:31:50 -0600
> To: krnet at list.krnet.org
> Subject: KR> KRnet archive donation request
> From: krnet at list.krnet.org
> 
> KRnetHeads,
> 
> Tom Tugan, the guy who saved the KRnet Search Engine from extinction 
> when Rick Maddy was no longer able to support it without a major rework, 
> is working to restore it back to service.  He's run out of space on 
> whatever service he's using, and and is cleaning house trying to make 
> enough room to get it back up again.  I asked if it was time for a round 
> of donations, and his reply was something like "that would help 
> determine how and if I can manage enough disk space to continue".  I 
> sent him $100 through PayPal (he's at tugantek at yahoo.com), and encourage 
> others to send something as well.  The built-in MailMan archive is 
> almost useless by comparison.  The Search Engine allows you to filter 
> several ways, including the sender, date, subject, keywords...all that 
> kind of stuff.
> 
> If everybody on the list could send Tom $5 or so (although I know that's 
> not going to happen),  it would help incentivize a solution to the lack 
> of a search engine. If you don't have a Paypal account, you can send a 
> check to me at 296 Taylor Denton Lane, Harvest, AL 35749 and I'll pass 
> on the $.
> 
> Thanks for helping to support a very useful KRnet resource
> -- 
> Mark Langford
> ML at N56ML.com
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KR> Float valves

[Mac McConnell-Wood]

A friend who operated a fleet of Thrusters -teaching disabled people to fly
-passed on this tip if you use Bing type carbs.
He sprayed the carb inlet with WD40 once a month to prevent the slide
sticking.
I was recommended the AMAL- similar to B*ing* carb by an ex RR engineer
after I lost faith in the POSA.
Worked for me.
Mac


On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 2:11 PM, bjoenunley via KRnet 
wrote:

> The float pin in my lawnmower became stuck. The gas poured into the oil
> reservoir and onto the floor. When a start was attempted the engine blew
> white smoke until the engine seized. This is the important part; the cause
> of the sticky float pin was due to operating the engine with gas that has
> 10% corn fuel.  The lawnmower was not stored by me at the time nore was it
> started by me. I miss my lawnmower. My neighbor and I are still friends.
>
> From this experience I have chosen not to use automotive fuel with corn
> fuel in it for my airplane,  even though I can. If I use auto fuel instead
> of 100LL I use the ethanol free.  With auto fuel prices as wonderfully low
> as they are I have stocked up on ethanol free mogas!  My carberator has
> icing tendencies, and more so with mogas.
>
> SSL
> Joe Nunley
> Baker Florida
>
>
>
>
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone
>
>  Original message From: Dave_A via KRnet <
> krnet at list.krnet.org> Date:01/24/2015  11:24 PM  (GMT-06:00)
> To: Garry C ,KRnet 
> Subject: Re: KR> Float valves 
> Depends on the design of the carb.
>
> Some of the more popular KR carbs don't have floats (Aerocarb, Revflow,
> Ellison, Posa)... These either have a vacuum-triggered fuel valve, or
> will leak your gas out if you don't switch off the fuel.
>
> The old 'tractor carb' (Marvel Strombreg) sitting under most Lycomings
> (and thus in most certified aircraft) does have a float that
> theoretically could stick.
>
> It's a possible problem on any gravity-fed fuel system.
>
> What planes generally do NOT have, that some bikes do, is a
> vacuum-operated fuel petcock (which, on older bikes, could be a problem
> if said vacuum-valve failed in the open position, as there was no way to
> manually shut off the fuel).
>
> In any case, the solution is simple for either vehicle: When not flying,
> turn off the gas.
>
> Also, CHANGE THE OIL IN THAT BIKE! If 'all the fuel drained out' then
> there is likely fuel contamination in your oil, which can wreck your
> engine by thinning the oil so much it won't lubricate.
>
> On 1/24/2015 9:10 PM, Garry C via KRnet wrote:
> > Riding my motorcycle down the highway and the carb float valve stuck and
> all the gas ran out.  Does this happen in airplane carbs?
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
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KR> Hours to build?

[Chris Prata]

Here's another noob question. How many hours does a KR1 take to build? I know 
it can really vary, but I'm hoping a few answers will come through and give me 
a ball park.
Magazines used to say you could build one for $400, in about 40 hours, and it 
would go supersonic. But now we have almost 50 years on the design (can you 
BELIEVE that!) so realistic numbers are avail.
OH, what kind of $$$ have builders spent in recent build?
KR2 info ok too, they are prob similar ballpark $ and time. 
  

KR> Hours to build?

[Dan Heath]

I have never built a KR1, but have built 2 KR2 and I got in on both of them
as started projects.  The first one took as much time tearing out and
starting over, as the rest of the build.  The second went fairly smoothly,
but both took me 6 years to complete.  I don't think you should be looking
at anything under 1000 hours, and probably 1500 is much more realistic.



But you have been reading this list and must realize that nobody wants to do
it pure stock.  Those dollars and hours of 40 years ago never were even
close.  It is hard to say how much money you will spend, but my guess is
anywhere from $10 to $25 thousand.  The more you try to skimp on quality,
the more risk you take on.



You need to building this plane because it meets your desire to fly and it
is the plane you want.  You have to stay within budget and time constraints
that are realistic for you, but you also have to realize that flying is not
CHEAP, no matter how you cut it.  I doubt that there are many planes that
you can build that are more easy and fun to fly than a KR.  If that is what
you want, build it.  If you want to make a lot of changes, plan on a lot
more money and time.



See N64KR at   http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on
the pics 



2015 KR Gathering - McMinnville, OR.  September 3 - 6 -- See U There.



Peoples Choice at 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il - MVN 

Best KR at 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il - MVN 

Best Interior at 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il - MVN 

Best Paint at 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il - MVN 

Best Firwwall Forward at 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il - MVN 



Best Interior and Panel at 2008 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il - MVN





Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC

KR> Tri-Gear Retracts?

[Richard Kaczmarek]

I guess I should add to this topic since I am rebuilding a tri gear
retract. I attached a couple photos and would like to find history on this
plane if possible. The KR2 I have is a standard and has a retract
conversion by Bill DE Freze. The mains are normal KR but installed on the
back side of the spar. The nose gear is steerable and fully reacts into the
fuselage. In my rebuilding I am putting this plane on a diet. I have
reconfigured the Tri-Q2 nose gear and plan to build a hoop gear unless I
can come across  the mounts and legs for a KR2 for a reasonable price.  The
tri gear on this plane is heavy and with a single stick about impossible to
operate. I don't know if these plans are still out there from Bill but I
would be happy to make copies for anyone who wants a copy as long as it
doesn't create issues as far as copyrights.

Richard Kaczmarek
Fast Little Airplanes LLC
937-243-7303
On Jan 25, 2015 1:47 PM, "Chris Prata via KRnet" 
wrote:

> yup, I had a KR1 kit 25 years ago and had all that stuff (long since
> sold). It was a cool looking and a cool simple system. IIRC, early designs
> had some bolt breakage issues, and the spring bar would flex on hard
> landing and pop through the top of the wing. so it wasnt perfect, but
> stringer bolts and other adjustments seemed to make it a reliable, simple
> gear system if I recall. Cant argue with the coolness factor. Ken Rand was
> quite clever.
> I'm not too confident in a taildragger. I have hundreds of hours in
> trigear aircraft and would like to stick with the much less risky landings
> with trigear.
> In reality, I may just end up with a simple, fixed trigear project, but
> retracts would be nice.
>
> > Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2015 10:37:42 -0800
> > To: bjoenunley at gmail.com; krnet at list.krnet.org
> > Subject: Re: KR> Tri-Gear Retracts?
> > From: krnet at list.krnet.org
> >
> > The original KR landing gear system was a main-gear retracting
> taildragger.
> >
> > I've actually got a full set of it lying around in my hangar, as when I
> > bought my project it had the original gear (and I wanted a fixed-tri)...
> >
> > On 1/25/2015 9:56 AM, bjoenunley via KRnet wrote:
> > > These guys have excellent advice and experience.
> > >
> > > In regards to your retractable nose gear; how about a tail dragger
> configuration?   Eliminate the weight and complexity while maintaining
> aerodynamic efficiency. If you are not familiar with tail wheel configured
> aircraft they are not too scary when you get used to them.
> > >
> > > Joe Nunley
> > > Baker Florida
> > >
> > >
> > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone
> > >
> > >  Original message From: Chris Prata
> via KRnet  Date:01/25/2015  2:01 AM
> (GMT-06:00) To: krnet at list.krnet.org Subject: KR>
> Tri-Gear Retracts? 
> > > Hey All,
> > > I have been pondering the possibility of tri-gear retracts on a KR1.
> (This is experimental aviation after all!).
> > > First, before I search the archives, has this been done?
> > > If not, I'm assuming that since fixed tri-gear KR's exist (which is
> probably what I'll end up doing!), the rear spar is strong enough to attach
> main gear to. I am thinking that the gear can simply retract forward,
> reverse of what the original KR had.  I *think* the main gear is not going
> to be a problem at all.
> > > That leaves the nose wheel. I have a couple ideas. One is to establish
> a straight pipe which goes up and back at an angle through the strong
> firewall, with the castering nosewheel leg sliding into and out of that.
> Not sure how to actuate that without too much weight, a big screw actuator?
> Pneumatic? Since that pipe will be coming up through between the rudder
> pedals, perhaps some kind of a slot and a lever? The wheel could be pulled
> straight back up into a well beneath the back part of the cowling. It
> wouldnt have to go all the way in, 1/3 of the tire could still be showing.
> > > The other method would be a swing back, or swing forward arrangement.
> > > This is a light plane and the nose carries the least weight. Although
> it will slam down a bit on landing.
> > > Any info or ideas appreciated.
> > >
> > > -C
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KR> Hours to build?

[Mark Langford]

Chris Prata wrote:

>> Here's another noob question. How many hours does a KR1 take to build? I
know it can really vary, but I'm hoping a few answers will come through and
give me a ball park.<<

Funny you should ask this, as I was thinking about it yesterday.  I finally
read the January Sport Aviation article about the KR2 spinning it in while
with video running, and after reading the NTSB's description of the KR2, I
thought "anybody reading this is going to think you could build one of these
in no time".  And then it occurred to me why I've seen an uptick in new list
subscribers in the last few weeks...some of them read this same article and
it sounded like a cheap and easy to build airplane.  But that's not reality.

I kept meticulous records building mine, and although I made a lot of
changes, I quit counting at 5400 hours because I thought it was ready to
fly, and I was close to being done.   The advertising that RR used to do
said 800 hours, and I don't know of anybody who's built one in less than
1500.  I'm guessing 2500-3000 is more typical for a "plain" KR2.  I'll bet
Robert Pesak and Hurbert Furle have more time in their planes than I do.

And with the kind of changes you're planning, you are headed for the same
schedule.  A KR1 will take a little less time to build than a KR2 or KR2S
because there's less wing area to sand, but most other pieces will take the
same amount of time...they're just a little smaller.  You'll definitely be
making your own cowling, as nobody sells one that I know of...not that it's
a big deal, but it's not like buying one with your Visa card.  Mine was
"scratch built" and it took a lot of time...12 years of spare time, an
average of 38 hours per month, and I never even painted it!

Having said all of this, I expect my next plane to go at least twice as
fast, if not faster.  Experience and knowing where I'm going is half the
battle...no head scratching required on this next one.  Joe Horton is
proving that now on his next one.  I saw Allen Buzza in Perth laying out a
fuselage side in an afternoon, and he expected to have the boat done in a
week!  This was his second (almost third, considering his canopy disaster)
KR2.

I guess what I'm trying to say is it ain't quick to build, especially if you
make changes that nobody's ever done before.  A lot of people show up here
with their hair on fire to build the airplane of their dreams, and many burn
out before they even get started.  If you have to ask how long it's going to
take to build, you have to decide how seriously you want to fly, and then
consider how much persistence you have to apply for the long haul.  Take
into consideration how important some of your changes are to the equation of
getting it done soon, or getting it done to match your dreams...

Mark Langford, Harvest, AL
ML at N56ML.com
www.N56ML.com 

KR> Hours to build?

[Mark Langford]

Correction in my last post...it was the December issue of Sport Aviation
regarding the KR2 spin report.  Not sure what I was thinking when I typed
January...

Mark Langford, Harvest, AL
ML at N56ML.com
www.N56ML.com 

KR> Hours to build?

[Gary]

hour & $$$

Chris Prata via KRnet  wrote:

Min 1500 hours, $29k and counting but with new o200 & glass panel.

Gary


Here's another noob question. How many hours does a KR1 take to build? I know 
it can really vary, but I'm hoping a few answers will come through and give me 
a ball park.
Magazines used to say you could build one for $400, in about 40 hours, and it 
would go supersonic. But now we have almost 50 years on the design (can you 
BELIEVE that!) so realistic numbers are avail.
OH, what kind of $$$ have builders spent in recent build?
KR2 info ok too, they are prob similar ballpark $ and time. ?? ? 
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KR> Hours to build?

[n357cj]

Hey Guys,
 I had something like 3200 hours in actual construction time building 357CJ. 
This did not include head scratching, driving for materials, ordering and 
drooling over catalogs full of goodies. The actual money spent did include a 
lot of tools and upgrades after buying something cheap first. I now own all of 
those tools and just grab it when I need. I now own the knowledge gained from 
doing so much twice (or more). The skills are far improved for glassing and 
sanding. Yes the second time will be much faster. I am starting with a lot done 
for me. I turned the corner on weight reduction about 2 weeks ago as well as 
any changes that I was going to make. I basically have a parts to assemble kit 
now (thank you Eric). Well that may be a little over simplified but still going 
fast. I have about 8 hours invested in the past week and the results are 
vertical stab foamed,sanded, and glassed. Rudder- foamed, sanded and one side 
glassed. rudder cable guides completed. Bonding cable started form rear. Com 
antenna built and installed. The week before I did a mock up using the parts on 
hand to get a picture of what this version may turn out like as well as making 
sure I was going to have that precious head room that I shorted myself on the 
first time around.
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KR> Hours to build?

[Rob Schmitt]

1500 hours, less than $15k with basic instruments and used Revmaster VW. 


> On Jan 26, 2015, at 8:37 AM, Gary via KRnet  wrote:
> 
> hour & $$$
> 
> Chris Prata via KRnet  wrote:
> 
> Min 1500 hours, $29k and counting but with new o200 & glass panel.
> 
> Gary
> 
> 
> Here's another noob question. How many hours does a KR1 take to build? I know 
> it can really vary, but I'm hoping a few answers will come through and give 
> me a ball park.
> Magazines used to say you could build one for $400, in about 40 hours, and it 
> would go supersonic. But now we have almost 50 years on the design (can you 
> BELIEVE that!) so realistic numbers are avail.
> OH, what kind of $$$ have builders spent in recent build?
> KR2 info ok too, they are prob similar ballpark $ and time.  
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KR> Hours to build

[Herbert Fürle]

..400$  and 40hours?
- Even a miracle needs more time!
I built mine from scratch,nearly finished- appr. 2300 hours +.
I think with prefab. parts ( it depends how many of them) it could be done in 
650 to 1000 hours.
Herbert Fuerle
German Kr2s
Von meinem iPad gesendet

KR> Hours to build?

[Gary Ainsworth]

One of the builders a few years ago built a KR2S in less than a year. Guess 
what? He bought a partial with boat complete and some other work done. I was 
interested but he got it first! - around 2 Gs) His claim, which found it's 
way to OSH was 1 year and 10 grand! Bill's efforts are shown on the kr 
website (the one with the sharks teeth.) He turned off the internet, and 
shut off his phone (or at least didn't answer cuz' there were a few people 
wanting to talk to him at that time and after  :-)  ... an experienced 
aircraft person as well - not a newwby.
Gary - Canada

KR> KRnet archive donation request

[Lawrence Ffrench]

Sent $20 -'cuz I really need this info- N44774 - should fly first next
month -Austin

On 1/26/15, Chris Prata via KRnet  wrote:
> SENT $10
>
>> Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2015 19:31:50 -0600
>> To: krnet at list.krnet.org
>> Subject: KR> KRnet archive donation request
>> From: krnet at list.krnet.org
>>
>> KRnetHeads,
>>
>> Tom Tugan, the guy who saved the KRnet Search Engine from extinction
>> when Rick Maddy was no longer able to support it without a major rework,
>> is working to restore it back to service.  He's run out of space on
>> whatever service he's using, and and is cleaning house trying to make
>> enough room to get it back up again.  I asked if it was time for a round
>> of donations, and his reply was something like "that would help
>> determine how and if I can manage enough disk space to continue".  I
>> sent him $100 through PayPal (he's at tugantek at yahoo.com), and encourage
>> others to send something as well.  The built-in MailMan archive is
>> almost useless by comparison.  The Search Engine allows you to filter
>> several ways, including the sender, date, subject, keywords...all that
>> kind of stuff.
>>
>> If everybody on the list could send Tom $5 or so (although I know that's
>> not going to happen),  it would help incentivize a solution to the lack
>> of a search engine. If you don't have a Paypal account, you can send a
>> check to me at 296 Taylor Denton Lane, Harvest, AL 35749 and I'll pass
>> on the $.
>>
>> Thanks for helping to support a very useful KRnet resource
>> --
>> Mark Langford
>> ML at N56ML.com
>> http://www.n56ml.com
>>
>>
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Rene'

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KR> FW: KRnet archive donation request

[Pete Klapp]

From: pkengr at hotmail.com
To: ml at n56ml.com
Subject: RE: KR> KRnet archive donation request
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Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2015 13:32:36 -0500




Sent @25.00. Well worth it for the info this site has provided for me.
Pete Klapp

> Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2015 19:31:50 -0600
> To: krnet at list.krnet.org
> Subject: KR> KRnet archive donation request
> From: krnet at list.krnet.org
> 
> KRnetHeads,
> 
> Tom Tugan, the guy who saved the KRnet Search Engine from extinction 
> when Rick Maddy was no longer able to support it without a major rework, 
> is working to restore it back to service.  He's run out of space on 
> whatever service he's using, and and is cleaning house trying to make 
> enough room to get it back up again.  I asked if it was time for a round 
> of donations, and his reply was something like "that would help 
> determine how and if I can manage enough disk space to continue".  I 
> sent him $100 through PayPal (he's at tugantek at yahoo.com), and encourage 
> others to send something as well.  The built-in MailMan archive is 
> almost useless by comparison.  The Search Engine allows you to filter 
> several ways, including the sender, date, subject, keywords...all that 
> kind of stuff.
> 
> If everybody on the list could send Tom $5 or so (although I know that's 
> not going to happen),  it would help incentivize a solution to the lack 
> of a search engine. If you don't have a Paypal account, you can send a 
> check to me at 296 Taylor Denton Lane, Harvest, AL 35749 and I'll pass 
> on the $.
> 
> Thanks for helping to support a very useful KRnet resource
> -- 
> Mark Langford
> ML at N56ML.com
> http://www.n56ml.com
> 
> 
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KR> Hours to build?

[Sid Wood]

Plans built KR-2 retract tail dragger with Diehl wing skins then converted 
to Diehl tri-gear, all electronic gauges.  3800 hours build time, $28K in 
parts and supplies over 29 years.  Painted it myself with house paint.  Have 
4 flights and still trying to get rid of the tail heavy cg.  Left arm and 
head room lacks about 2-inches on left side.  Have abandoned the dream of 
taking friends and Young Eagles for rides with this airplane.  Were I a Ken 
Rand sized person, no problem.
Next airplane will be a KR-2S with a big engine (Corvair or such), should I 
live so long.

Sid Wood
Tri-gear KR-2 N6242
Mechanicsville, MD, USA

---
Here's another noob question. How many hours does a KR1 take to build? I 
know it can really vary, but I'm hoping a few answers will come through and 
give me a ball park.
Magazines used to say you could build one for $400, in about 40 hours, and 
it would go supersonic. But now we have almost 50 years on the design (can 
you BELIEVE that!) so realistic numbers are avail.
OH, what kind of $$$ have builders spent in recent build?
KR2 info ok too, they are prob similar ballpark $ and time.

--

I have never built a KR1, but have built 2 KR2 and I got in on both of them
as started projects.  The first one took as much time tearing out and
starting over, as the rest of the build.  The second went fairly smoothly,
but both took me 6 years to complete.  I don't think you should be looking
at anything under 1000 hours, and probably 1500 is much more realistic.

But you have been reading this list and must realize that nobody wants to do
it pure stock.  Those dollars and hours of 40 years ago never were even
close.  It is hard to say how much money you will spend, but my guess is
anywhere from $10 to $25 thousand.  The more you try to skimp on quality,
the more risk you take on.

You need to building this plane because it meets your desire to fly and it
is the plane you want.  You have to stay within budget and time constraints
that are realistic for you, but you also have to realize that flying is not
CHEAP, no matter how you cut it.  I doubt that there are many planes that
you can build that are more easy and fun to fly than a KR.  If that is what
you want, build it.  If you want to make a lot of changes, plan on a lot
more money and time.

KR> KRnet Digest, Vol 3, Issue 26

[Sid Wood]

Removed the Zenith carburetor (4.5 hours) to build an adapter bracket for 
the throttle Bowden cable.  The quest is to use a push-pull throttle knob 
mounted on the instrument panel instead of the lever mounted on the left 
sidewall.  End goal is to get more cockpit space on the left side for me.

Sid Wood
Tri-gear KR-2 N6242
Mechanicsville, MD, USA

KR> KRnet Digest, Vol 3, Issue 26

[brian.kraut at eamanufacturing.com]

I assume one of those cables is for the choke.  I removed the choke
completely from my Zenith carb (and filled the hole made with a carb air
temp sensor) and installed primer fittings in the intakes instead.  It
always started easy and one less thing that can go wrong and make the
noise stop.


 Original Message 
Subject: Re: KR> KRnet Digest, Vol 3, Issue 26
From: Sid Wood via KRnet 
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Mon, January 26, 2015 12:16 pm
To: 

Removed the Zenith carburetor (4.5 hours) to build an adapter bracket
for 
the throttle Bowden cable. The quest is to use a push-pull throttle knob

mounted on the instrument panel instead of the lever mounted on the left

sidewall. End goal is to get more cockpit space on the left side for me.

Sid Wood
Tri-gear KR-2 N6242
Mechanicsville, MD, USA





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KR> Hours to build?

[Chris Prata]

This is great to get these totals. 
I do plan to buy the wing skins. Probably fab everything else per the original 
way.
A full time job is 2000 hours per year.
Robert, 1500 hours is on the low side of these times. Did you use any prefab 
parts like wing skins? what was ur experience prior to starting to build the 
KR? and why would you say you were faster than others? skill, work environment, 
tools?
My current house doesnt have a garage. I do have a 20x30 fabric hangar at the 
airport but it's three season due to the bottom has to be open for wind 
compliance (which makes it complaint to over 100MPH winds).  Of course there is 
nothing stopping me from (I JUST realized!!!) building a 16x20 work shed INSIDE 
my hangar, and heat it with a herosene heater or something to get 4 seasons out 
of it!






> CC: chrisprata at live.com
> From: robert7721 at aol.com
> Subject: Re: KR> Hours to build?
> Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2015 11:11:06 -0600
> To: gary769rv at verizon.net; krnet at list.krnet.org
> 
> 1500 hours, less than $15k with basic instruments and used Revmaster VW. 
> 
> 
> > On Jan 26, 2015, at 8:37 AM, Gary via KRnet  wrote:
> > 
> > hour & $$$
> > 
> > Chris Prata via KRnet  wrote:
> > 
> > Min 1500 hours, $29k and counting but with new o200 & glass panel.
> > 
> > Gary
> > 
> > 
> > Here's another noob question. How many hours does a KR1 take to build? I 
> > know it can really vary, but I'm hoping a few answers will come through and 
> > give me a ball park.
> > Magazines used to say you could build one for $400, in about 40 hours, and 
> > it would go supersonic. But now we have almost 50 years on the design (can 
> > you BELIEVE that!) so realistic numbers are avail.
> > OH, what kind of $$$ have builders spent in recent build?
> > KR2 info ok too, they are prob similar ballpark $ and time.  
> > ___
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KR> Hours to build?

[Robert7721]

Chris

I think the main reason my hours are low compared to the others is I kept it 
simple. I did not deviate from the plans hardly at all. No flaps, only a header 
gas tank. My VW engine was purchased used, but all in on piece so I really just 
bolted one on versus building one. No fancy interior, painted it myself. I did 
scratch build my wings, but bought a cowl. No other prefab parts. My weight 
came in fine 600 pounds. I am an engineer and a pretty good mechanic, but it 
was my 1st aircraft build. I've never won any awards for my airplane for its 
appearance, but I also now over 620 hours flying her. Made it to California in 
it to the KR gathering from Kansas City. I've flown over 100 Young Eagles, too 
many breakfast flights to count. She's a keeper. 

More details on my web site at

Www.robert7721.com

Rob Schmitt


Sent from my iPad

> On Jan 26, 2015, at 5:56 PM, Chris Prata  wrote:
> 
> This is great to get these totals. 
> 
> I do plan to buy the wing skins. Probably fab everything else per the 
> original way.
> 
> A full time job is 2000 hours per year.
> 
> Robert, 1500 hours is on the low side of these times. Did you use any prefab 
> parts like wing skins? what was ur experience prior to starting to build the 
> KR? and why would you say you were faster than others? skill, work 
> environment, tools?
> 
> My current house doesnt have a garage. I do have a 20x30 fabric hangar at the 
> airport but it's three season due to the bottom has to be open for wind 
> compliance (which makes it complaint to over 100MPH winds).  Of course there 
> is nothing stopping me from (I JUST realized!!!) building a 16x20 work shed 
> INSIDE my hangar, and heat it with a herosene heater or something to get 4 
> seasons out of it!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > CC: chrisprata at live.com
> > From: robert7721 at aol.com
> > Subject: Re: KR> Hours to build?
> > Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2015 11:11:06 -0600
> > To: gary769rv at verizon.net; krnet at list.krnet.org
> > 
> > 1500 hours, less than $15k with basic instruments and used Revmaster VW. 
> > 
> > 
> > > On Jan 26, 2015, at 8:37 AM, Gary via KRnet  
> > > wrote:
> > > 
> > > hour & $$$
> > > 
> > > Chris Prata via KRnet  wrote:
> > > 
> > > Min 1500 hours, $29k and counting but with new o200 & glass panel.
> > > 
> > > Gary
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Here's another noob question. How many hours does a KR1 take to build? I 
> > > know it can really vary, but I'm hoping a few answers will come through 
> > > and give me a ball park.
> > > Magazines used to say you could build one for $400, in about 40 hours, 
> > > and it would go supersonic. But now we have almost 50 years on the design 
> > > (can you BELIEVE that!) so realistic numbers are avail.
> > > OH, what kind of $$$ have builders spent in recent build?
> > > KR2 info ok too, they are prob similar ballpark $ and time. 
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KR> Hours to build?

[Mark Wegmet]

I take a lot of heat from co-workers because I have an airplane in progress
in my living room... of course I'm single, so (as they say) your mileage may
vary.

Mark W.
N952MW

-Original Message-
From: KRnet [mailto:krnet-bounces at list.krnet.org] On Behalf Of Chris Prata
via KRnet
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2015 5:56 PM
To: Rob Schmitt; krnet at list.krnet.org
Subject: Re: KR> Hours to build?

This is great to get these totals. 
I do plan to buy the wing skins. Probably fab everything else per the
original way.
A full time job is 2000 hours per year.
Robert, 1500 hours is on the low side of these times. Did you use any prefab
parts like wing skins? what was ur experience prior to starting to build the
KR? and why would you say you were faster than others? skill, work
environment, tools?
My current house doesnt have a garage. I do have a 20x30 fabric hangar at
the airport but it's three season due to the bottom has to be open for wind
compliance (which makes it complaint to over 100MPH winds).  Of course there
is nothing stopping me from (I JUST realized!!!) building a 16x20 work shed
INSIDE my hangar, and heat it with a herosene heater or something to get 4
seasons out of it!






> CC: chrisprata at live.com
> From: robert7721 at aol.com
> Subject: Re: KR> Hours to build?
> Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2015 11:11:06 -0600
> To: gary769rv at verizon.net; krnet at list.krnet.org
> 
> 1500 hours, less than $15k with basic instruments and used Revmaster VW. 
> 
> 
> > On Jan 26, 2015, at 8:37 AM, Gary via KRnet 
wrote:
> > 
> > hour & $$$
> > 
> > Chris Prata via KRnet  wrote:
> > 
> > Min 1500 hours, $29k and counting but with new o200 & glass panel.
> > 
> > Gary
> > 
> > 
> > Here's another noob question. How many hours does a KR1 take to build? I
know it can really vary, but I'm hoping a few answers will come through and
give me a ball park.
> > Magazines used to say you could build one for $400, in about 40 hours,
and it would go supersonic. But now we have almost 50 years on the design
(can you BELIEVE that!) so realistic numbers are avail.
> > OH, what kind of $$$ have builders spent in recent build?
> > KR2 info ok too, they are prob similar ballpark $ and time.  
> > ___
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KR> Hours to build?

[Chris Prata]

I just emailed him and said that exact thing!  :)

> Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2015 00:41:57 +
> To: robert7721 at aol.com; krnet at list.krnet.org
> Subject: Re: KR> Hours to build?
> From: krnet at list.krnet.org
> 
> Don't let him kid you Rob has one hell of a nice air plane. Eric Pitts
> Terre Haute, Ind.
> 
> "Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving 
> safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in 
> sideways, chocolate in one hand, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out 
> and screaming "WOO HOO what a ride!"
>   
> 
>  On Monday, January 26, 2015 7:32 PM, Robert7721 via KRnet  list.krnet.org> wrote:
>
> 
>  Chris
> 
> I think the main reason my hours are low compared to the others is I kept it 
> simple. I did not deviate from the plans hardly at all. No flaps, only a 
> header gas tank. My VW engine was purchased used, but all in on piece so I 
> really just bolted one on versus building one. No fancy interior, painted it 
> myself. I did scratch build my wings, but bought a cowl. No other prefab 
> parts. My weight came in fine 600 pounds. I am an engineer and a pretty good 
> mechanic, but it was my 1st aircraft build. I've never won any awards for my 
> airplane for its appearance, but I also now over 620 hours flying her. Made 
> it to California in it to the KR gathering from Kansas City. I've flown over 
> 100 Young Eagles, too many breakfast flights to count. She's a keeper. 
> 
> More details on my web site at
> 
> Www.robert7721.com
> 
> Rob Schmitt
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> > On Jan 26, 2015, at 5:56 PM, Chris Prata  wrote:
> > 
> > This is great to get these totals. 
> > 
> > I do plan to buy the wing skins. Probably fab everything else per the 
> > original way.
> > 
> > A full time job is 2000 hours per year.
> > 
> > Robert, 1500 hours is on the low side of these times. Did you use any 
> > prefab parts like wing skins? what was ur experience prior to starting to 
> > build the KR? and why would you say you were faster than others? skill, 
> > work environment, tools?
> > 
> > My current house doesnt have a garage. I do have a 20x30 fabric hangar at 
> > the airport but it's three season due to the bottom has to be open for wind 
> > compliance (which makes it complaint to over 100MPH winds).  Of course 
> > there is nothing stopping me from (I JUST realized!!!) building a 16x20 
> > work shed INSIDE my hangar, and heat it with a herosene heater or something 
> > to get 4 seasons out of it!
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > CC: chrisprata at live.com
> > > From: robert7721 at aol.com
> > > Subject: Re: KR> Hours to build?
> > > Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2015 11:11:06 -0600
> > > To: gary769rv at verizon.net; krnet at list.krnet.org
> > > 
> > > 1500 hours, less than $15k with basic instruments and used Revmaster VW. 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > On Jan 26, 2015, at 8:37 AM, Gary via KRnet  
> > > > wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > hour & $$$
> > > > 
> > > > Chris Prata via KRnet  wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > Min 1500 hours, $29k and counting but with new o200 & glass panel.
> > > > 
> > > > Gary
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Here's another noob question. How many hours does a KR1 take to build? 
> > > > I know it can really vary, but I'm hoping a few answers will come 
> > > > through and give me a ball park.
> > > > Magazines used to say you could build one for $400, in about 40 hours, 
> > > > and it would go supersonic. But now we have almost 50 years on the 
> > > > design (can you BELIEVE that!) so realistic numbers are avail.
> > > > OH, what kind of $$$ have builders spent in recent build?
> > > > KR2 info ok too, they are prob similar ballpark $ and time. 
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KR> Hours to build?

[gluejam]

Me too,  same room, about 20 years ago - and will never cease being 
"reminded" of it, so enjoy your good fortune, pardner.
:-)
(name not shown, just in case)


On 1/26/2015 5:44 PM, Mark Wegmet via KRnet wrote:
> I take a lot of heat from co-workers because I have an airplane in progress
> in my living room... of course I'm single, so (as they say) your mileage may
> vary.
>
> Mark W.
> N952MW
>
> -Original Message-
> From: KRnet [mailto:krnet-bounces at list.krnet.org] On Behalf Of Chris Prata
> via KRnet
> Sent: Monday, January 26, 2015 5:56 PM
> To: Rob Schmitt; krnet at list.krnet.org
> Subject: Re: KR> Hours to build?
>
> This is great to get these totals.
> I do plan to buy the wing skins. Probably fab everything else per the
> original way.
> A full time job is 2000 hours per year.
> Robert, 1500 hours is on the low side of these times. Did you use any prefab
> parts like wing skins? what was ur experience prior to starting to build the
> KR? and why would you say you were faster than others? skill, work
> environment, tools?
> My current house doesnt have a garage. I do have a 20x30 fabric hangar at
> the airport but it's three season due to the bottom has to be open for wind
> compliance (which makes it complaint to over 100MPH winds).  Of course there
> is nothing stopping me from (I JUST realized!!!) building a 16x20 work shed
> INSIDE my hangar, and heat it with a herosene heater or something to get 4
> seasons out of it!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>> CC: chrisprata at live.com
>> From: robert7721 at aol.com
>> Subject: Re: KR> Hours to build?
>> Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2015 11:11:06 -0600
>> To: gary769rv at verizon.net; krnet at list.krnet.org
>>
>> 1500 hours, less than $15k with basic instruments and used Revmaster VW.
>>
>>
>>> On Jan 26, 2015, at 8:37 AM, Gary via KRnet 
> wrote:
>>> hour & $$$
>>>
>>> Chris Prata via KRnet  wrote:
>>>
>>> Min 1500 hours, $29k and counting but with new o200 & glass panel.
>>>
>>> Gary
>>>
>>>
>>> Here's another noob question. How many hours does a KR1 take to build? I
> know it can really vary, but I'm hoping a few answers will come through and
> give me a ball park.
>>> Magazines used to say you could build one for $400, in about 40 hours,
> and it would go supersonic. But now we have almost 50 years on the design
> (can you BELIEVE that!) so realistic numbers are avail.
>>> OH, what kind of $$$ have builders spent in recent build?
>>> KR2 info ok too, they are prob similar ballpark $ and time.
>>> ___
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KR> Hours to build?

[brian.kraut at eamanufacturing.com]

When I first moved to Jackaonville and started a new job one of my
co-workers was building a beautiful KR in his one room efficiency
converted from a two car garage at his parents house.  I thought that
being able to eat and sleep in the same room as the KR project gave him
enough cool factor to outweigh still living in his parents garage.  Of
course, I also built my 2S spars on the living room floor with plastic
under them to keep the epoxy off the carpet when my ex was away for a
week.  New wife would kill me if I did that now, but she let me buy a
house and hanger at an airpark which makes her the best wife ever.



On 1/26/2015 5:44 PM, Mark Wegmet via KRnet wrote:
> I take a lot of heat from co-workers because I have an airplane in progress
> in my living room... of course I'm single, so (as they say) your mileage may
> vary.
>
> Mark W.
> N952MW
>
> -Original Message-
> From: KRnet [mailto:krnet-bounces at list.krnet.org] On Behalf Of Chris Prata
> via KRnet
> Sent: Monday, January 26, 2015 5:56 PM
> To: Rob Schmitt; krnet at list.krnet.org
> Subject: Re: KR> Hours to build?
>
> This is great to get these totals.
> I do plan to buy the wing skins. Probably fab everything else per the
> original way.
> A full time job is 2000 hours per year.
> Robert, 1500 hours is on the low side of these times. Did you use any prefab
> parts like wing skins? what was ur experience prior to starting to build the
> KR? and why would you say you were faster than others? skill, work
> environment, tools?
> My current house doesnt have a garage. I do have a 20x30 fabric hangar at
> the airport but it's three season due to the bottom has to be open for wind
> compliance (which makes it complaint to over 100MPH winds). Of course there
> is nothing stopping me from (I JUST realized!!!) building a 16x20 work shed
> INSIDE my hangar, and heat it with a herosene heater or something to get 4
> seasons out of it!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>> CC: chrisprata at live.com
>> From: robert7721 at aol.com
>> Subject: Re: KR> Hours to build?
>> Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2015 11:11:06 -0600
>> To: gary769rv at verizon.net; krnet at list.krnet.org
>>
>> 1500 hours, less than $15k with basic instruments and used Revmaster VW.
>>
>>
>>> On Jan 26, 2015, at 8:37 AM, Gary via KRnet 
> wrote:
>>> hour & $$$
>>>
>>> Chris Prata via KRnet  wrote:
>>>
>>> Min 1500 hours, $29k and counting but with new o200 & glass panel.
>>>
>>> Gary
>>>
>>>
>>> Here's another noob question. How many hours does a KR1 take to build? I
> know it can really vary, but I'm hoping a few answers will come through and
> give me a ball park.
>>> Magazines used to say you could build one for $400, in about 40 hours,
> and it would go supersonic. But now we have almost 50 years on the design
> (can you BELIEVE that!) so realistic numbers are avail.
>>> OH, what kind of $$$ have builders spent in recent build?
>>> KR2 info ok too, they are prob similar ballpark $ and time.
>>> ___
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KR> Hours to build?

[bjoenunley]

She sounds awesome! ? Does she have a sister?

she(wife) let me buy a
house and hanger at an airpark which makes her the best wife ever.

Joe



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 Original message From: "brian.kraut--- via 
KRnet"  Date:01/26/2015  8:30 PM  
(GMT-06:00) To: gluejam ,KRnet  Subject: Re: KR> Hours to build? 
When I first moved to Jackaonville and started a new job one of my
co-workers was building a beautiful KR in his one room efficiency
converted from a two car garage at his parents house.  I thought that
being able to eat and sleep in the same room as the KR project gave him
enough cool factor to outweigh still living in his parents garage.  Of
course, I also built my 2S spars on the living room floor with plastic
under them to keep the epoxy off the carpet when my ex was away for a
week.  New wife would kill me if I did that now, but she let me buy a
house and hanger at an airpark which makes her the best wife ever.



On 1/26/2015 5:44 PM, Mark Wegmet via KRnet wrote:
> I take a lot of heat from co-workers because I have an airplane in progress
> in my living room... of course I'm single, so (as they say) your mileage may
> vary.
>
> Mark W.
> N952MW
>
> -Original Message-
> From: KRnet [mailto:krnet-bounces at list.krnet.org] On Behalf Of Chris Prata
> via KRnet
> Sent: Monday, January 26, 2015 5:56 PM
> To: Rob Schmitt; krnet at list.krnet.org
> Subject: Re: KR> Hours to build?
>
> This is great to get these totals.
> I do plan to buy the wing skins. Probably fab everything else per the
> original way.
> A full time job is 2000 hours per year.
> Robert, 1500 hours is on the low side of these times. Did you use any prefab
> parts like wing skins? what was ur experience prior to starting to build the
> KR? and why would you say you were faster than others? skill, work
> environment, tools?
> My current house doesnt have a garage. I do have a 20x30 fabric hangar at
> the airport but it's three season due to the bottom has to be open for wind
> compliance (which makes it complaint to over 100MPH winds). Of course there
> is nothing stopping me from (I JUST realized!!!) building a 16x20 work shed
> INSIDE my hangar, and heat it with a herosene heater or something to get 4
> seasons out of it!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>> CC: chrisprata at live.com
>> From: robert7721 at aol.com
>> Subject: Re: KR> Hours to build?
>> Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2015 11:11:06 -0600
>> To: gary769rv at verizon.net; krnet at list.krnet.org
>>
>> 1500 hours, less than $15k with basic instruments and used Revmaster VW.
>>
>>
>>> On Jan 26, 2015, at 8:37 AM, Gary via KRnet 
> wrote:
>>> hour & $$$
>>>
>>> Chris Prata via KRnet  wrote:
>>>
>>> Min 1500 hours, $29k and counting but with new o200 & glass panel.
>>>
>>> Gary
>>>
>>>
>>> Here's another noob question. How many hours does a KR1 take to build? I
> know it can really vary, but I'm hoping a few answers will come through and
> give me a ball park.
>>> Magazines used to say you could build one for $400, in about 40 hours,
> and it would go supersonic. But now we have almost 50 years on the design
> (can you BELIEVE that!) so realistic numbers are avail.
>>> OH, what kind of $$$ have builders spent in recent build?
>>> KR2 info ok too, they are prob similar ballpark $ and time.
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KR> Hours to build?

[Joe. E. Wallace]

Brian,

Your position now sounds like a good deal to change wives  :) 

Joe. E. Wallace
jwallacep51 at gmail.com



> On Jan 26, 2015, at 20:30, brian.kraut--- via KRnet  
> wrote:
> 
> When I first moved to Jackaonville and started a new job one of my
> co-workers was building a beautiful KR in his one room efficiency
> converted from a two car garage at his parents house.  I thought that
> being able to eat and sleep in the same room as the KR project gave him
> enough cool factor to outweigh still living in his parents garage.  Of
> course, I also built my 2S spars on the living room floor with plastic
> under them to keep the epoxy off the carpet when my ex was away for a
> week.  New wife would kill me if I did that now, but she let me buy a
> house and hanger at an airpark which makes her the best wife ever.
> 
> 
> 
> On 1/26/2015 5:44 PM, Mark Wegmet via KRnet wrote:
>> I take a lot of heat from co-workers because I have an airplane in progress
>> in my living room... of course I'm single, so (as they say) your mileage may
>> vary.
>> 
>> Mark W.
>> N952MW
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: KRnet [mailto:krnet-bounces at list.krnet.org] On Behalf Of Chris Prata
>> via KRnet
>> Sent: Monday, January 26, 2015 5:56 PM
>> To: Rob Schmitt; krnet at list.krnet.org
>> Subject: Re: KR> Hours to build?
>> 
>> This is great to get these totals.
>> I do plan to buy the wing skins. Probably fab everything else per the
>> original way.
>> A full time job is 2000 hours per year.
>> Robert, 1500 hours is on the low side of these times. Did you use any prefab
>> parts like wing skins? what was ur experience prior to starting to build the
>> KR? and why would you say you were faster than others? skill, work
>> environment, tools?
>> My current house doesnt have a garage. I do have a 20x30 fabric hangar at
>> the airport but it's three season due to the bottom has to be open for wind
>> compliance (which makes it complaint to over 100MPH winds). Of course there
>> is nothing stopping me from (I JUST realized!!!) building a 16x20 work shed
>> INSIDE my hangar, and heat it with a herosene heater or something to get 4
>> seasons out of it!
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> CC: chrisprata at live.com
>>> From: robert7721 at aol.com
>>> Subject: Re: KR> Hours to build?
>>> Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2015 11:11:06 -0600
>>> To: gary769rv at verizon.net; krnet at list.krnet.org
>>> 
>>> 1500 hours, less than $15k with basic instruments and used Revmaster VW.
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jan 26, 2015, at 8:37 AM, Gary via KRnet 
>> wrote:
 hour & $$$
 
 Chris Prata via KRnet  wrote:
 
 Min 1500 hours, $29k and counting but with new o200 & glass panel.
 
 Gary
 
 
 Here's another noob question. How many hours does a KR1 take to build? I
>> know it can really vary, but I'm hoping a few answers will come through and
>> give me a ball park.
 Magazines used to say you could build one for $400, in about 40 hours,
>> and it would go supersonic. But now we have almost 50 years on the design
>> (can you BELIEVE that!) so realistic numbers are avail.
 OH, what kind of $$$ have builders spent in recent build?
 KR2 info ok too, they are prob similar ballpark $ and time.
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KR> how to share photos to list?

[Chris Prata]

ok after the posts about who lived with their project, I found an old photo 
from 1994 of my 150sq ft efficiency apartment with a KR1 sitting in it.  But I 
tried to share it to the list from onedrive and it wouldnt let me.
Whats the best way since it seems we cannot share pics (which we should be able 
to I would say).  

KR> how to share photos to list?

[Phillip Hill]

Facebook page...https://www.facebook.com/groups/KR2S.aircraft/


On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 9:57 PM, Chris Prata via KRnet  wrote:

> ok after the posts about who lived with their project, I found an old
> photo from 1994 of my 150sq ft efficiency apartment with a KR1 sitting in
> it.  But I tried to share it to the list from onedrive and it wouldnt let
> me.
> Whats the best way since it seems we cannot share pics (which we should be
> able to I would say).
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KR> FW: how to share photos to list?

[Chris Prata]

Thanks!  I created a FB account (I dont use FB any more and had cancelled my 
account, but will keep one account just for KR pics)

waiting for my joining the KR Facebook group to be approved and then I'll post 
the pic


How many list members have FB access?

List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2015 22:00:04 -0600
Subject: Re: KR> how to share photos to list?
From: phill.hill at gmail.com
To: chrisprata at live.com; krnet at list.krnet.org

Facebook page...https://www.facebook.com/groups/KR2S.aircraft/

On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 9:57 PM, Chris Prata via KRnet  wrote:
ok after the posts about who lived with their project, I found an old photo 
from 1994 of my 150sq ft efficiency apartment with a KR1 sitting in it.  But I 
tried to share it to the list from onedrive and it wouldnt let me.

Whats the best way since it seems we cannot share pics (which we should be able 
to I would say).

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KR> FW: how to share photos to list?

[brian.kraut at eamanufacturing.com]

You can attach pictures, but they will not get through unless they are
small.  I attached a 75 KB JPG yesterday and I think that is about as
large a file as will get through.


 Original Message 
Subject: KR> FW: how to share photos to list?
From: Chris Prata via KRnet 
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Mon, January 26, 2015 9:13 pm
To: "krnet at list.krnet.org" 

Thanks! I created a FB account (I dont use FB any more and had cancelled
my account, but will keep one account just for KR pics)

waiting for my joining the KR Facebook group to be approved and then
I'll post the pic


How many list members have FB access?

List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2015 22:00:04 -0600
Subject: Re: KR> how to share photos to list?
From: phill.hill at gmail.com
To: chrisprata at live.com; krnet at list.krnet.org

Facebook page...https://www.facebook.com/groups/KR2S.aircraft/

On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 9:57 PM, Chris Prata via KRnet
 wrote:
ok after the posts about who lived with their project, I found an old
photo from 1994 of my 150sq ft efficiency apartment with a KR1 sitting
in it. But I tried to share it to the list from onedrive and it wouldnt
let me.

Whats the best way since it seems we cannot share pics (which we should
be able to I would say).

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KR> FW: how to share photos to list?

[Chris Prata]

See if this one comes through. shrunk it to 57k
My old 1-room efficiency apartment 1994. 

> From: brian.kraut at eamanufacturing.com
> To: chrisprata at live.com; krnet at list.krnet.org
> Subject: RE: KR> FW: how to share photos to list?
> Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2015 21:18:59 -0700
> 
> You can attach pictures, but they will not get through unless they are
> small.  I attached a 75 KB JPG yesterday and I think that is about as
> large a file as will get through.
> 
> 
>  Original Message 
> Subject: KR> FW: how to share photos to list?
> From: Chris Prata via KRnet 
> Date: Mon, January 26, 2015 9:13 pm
> To: "krnet at list.krnet.org" 
> 
> Thanks! I created a FB account (I dont use FB any more and had cancelled
> my account, but will keep one account just for KR pics)
> 
> waiting for my joining the KR Facebook group to be approved and then
> I'll post the pic
> 
> 
> How many list members have FB access?
> 
> Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2015 22:00:04 -0600
> Subject: Re: KR> how to share photos to list?
> From: phill.hill at gmail.com
> To: chrisprata at live.com; krnet at list.krnet.org
> 
> Facebook page...https://www.facebook.com/groups/KR2S.aircraft/
> 
> On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 9:57 PM, Chris Prata via KRnet
>  wrote:
> ok after the posts about who lived with their project, I found an old
> photo from 1994 of my 150sq ft efficiency apartment with a KR1 sitting
> in it. But I tried to share it to the list from onedrive and it wouldnt
> let me.
> 
> Whats the best way since it seems we cannot share pics (which we should
> be able to I would say).
> 
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KR> how to share photos to list?

[gluejam]

  But some of us don't use Facebook...


On 1/26/2015 9:00 PM, Phillip Hill via KRnet wrote:
> Facebook page...https://www.facebook.com/groups/KR2S.aircraft/
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 9:57 PM, Chris Prata via KRnet  list.krnet.org
>> wrote:
>> ok after the posts about who lived with their project, I found an old
>> photo from 1994 of my 150sq ft efficiency apartment with a KR1 sitting in
>> it.  But I tried to share it to the list from onedrive and it wouldnt let
>> me.
>> Whats the best way since it seems we cannot share pics (which we should be
>> able to I would say).
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KR> Photo test

[gluejam]

Lets see if this works:  (photo copyright by k-46.com, but it's OK for 
me to use)




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