KR> Help for KR Building
> "And don't be led astray by pictures of KRs or anything else. Those pretty girls in TV soap ads are barely real." Oh yeah . . . they're real. You just need to be a little younger for them to smile at you with anything other than pity. As for planes, the KR is almost always passable (except for that one with the tiger teeth markings that showed up from Ft. Smith, AR). That was a truly ugly one, (but with character) and at least it was a taildragger. Here's a couple pictures of mine (Ken Cottle, builder, not me) I uploaded to my photo host. I need to add some more photos to the site - will do so with time. https://goo.gl/0snwAH Mark Jones, I'm sad to see you and your many years of "Yaa Hoo's!" pass on into the sunset, if that's what you're doing. Maybe you just came into some money and are buying that new Cirrus Jet (or better yet, an Eclipse 550 - much more plane for the money. It's a little baby Learjet.). I sure would (the Eclipse 550, not the Vision Jet) if I had the money. Anyway . . . you've contributed at least two KR's that I know of to the world KR population so I congratulate you for all you've brought to our world and wish you the very best with whatever you are up to. Mike Stirewalt KSEE Police Urge Americans to Carry This With Them at All Times Smart Trends http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/582ab254a344232535e08st01vuc
KR> Hand propping VW
I hand prop my vw engine with a 54 inch propeller, no problem. ?I always chock both wheels and tie down the tail (every time).? Joe Nunley?CW2 US Army RetiredBaker JROTC Instructor?Baker Florida?
KR> Hand propping volkswagen
I obtained a Kr1 project that flew once but was underpowered with a 1600cc Volkswagen engine, carb seemed a little small too. I am planning on going with an 1835 and would like to keep it light with no starter but I have heard some talk about the volkswagen and short prop being pretty risky. Sure there is always risk but are they more so? My KR1 is also longer than standard at 15' 6" , is this a common mod?
KR> wing tank building material - vinyl ester
? Subject:?Re: KR> wing tank building material - vinyl ester If you get nothing else out of this thread, it should be that you shouldn't build fuel tanks out of epoxy, now that we have vinyl ester. Yes, you can slosh the tank and probably get good results, but it's another step, and you have to do it right. But if you use vinyl ester resin (Aircraft Spruce sells it) you're not likely to ever have a problem with it. Mark Langford, Harvest, AL ML "at" N56ML.com www.N56ML.com[http://www.N56ML.com] to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org Absolutely true. #1) If you are building and plan to build glass tanks, build your tanks with vinylester resin. Polyester and Epoxy are both subject to degradation from alcohol and other chemicals that may be added to Mogas. #2) Always know your fuel source and test your fuel. Unless your system is designed for alcohol, and you fly your plane regularly, avoid alcohol contaminated fuels. But there are other things that get mixed into gas. Auto fuel gets pumped down a pipe line that has lots of other stuff also pumped down the line ahead and behind it. The stuff used to buffer between loads in the pipeline is often sold to cut rate stations and sold as cheap gas. It can cause damage to your fuel system as Mark showed in a couple of photos, or may cause detonation damage to your engine. We all want to fly for less, and I am a real advocate for burning Mogas as the lead in Avgas causes a lot of unnecessary engine top end wear, but know your fuel source. If you have the a set of tanks that are built from something other than Vinylester, know what you have and treat it accordingly. A set of epoxy tanks is not a problem as long as you are careful about what goes into the tank. I built the fuel tanks for my KR 21 years ago. At that time, alcohol boosted fuels were new and we were still trying to figure out what worked and what didn't. I was working with both vinylester and epoxy resins at the time and chose the epoxy resin as the most stable known resin at the time. Turns out Vinylester would have been a better choice. I had a couple of pinhole leaks in one tank, so I chose to slosh all 3 tanks with an alcohol resistant slosh compound (still available from Aircraft Spruce). Those tanks got to cure for several months before they ever saw any fuel, which has likely contributed to the longevity of the slosh compound. FWIW, Polyester is every bit as susceptible to alcohol/chemical damage as epoxy. I rebuilt a set of Polyester tip tanks off a Cherokee 235 a few years ago after the owner got a tank or two of Alcohol fuel. Those tanks were so soft they were deforming from the air pressures in flight. Aluminum tanks are also a good solution. -Jeff Scott Los Alamos, NM
KR> Determined to Fly
?The drive there was one hour and fifteen??minutes. Much to my dismay when I got???there visibility was 1/4 mile with ceilings at??200 feet.I was getting pressed for time as I ??had other commitments. Mark Jones I get done at work around 1630, I get to the airport around 1700, then it is pitch black dark by 1730! ?This day light savings is saving me a lot of money on aviation fuel! ? Joe Nunley?CW2 US Army RetiredBaker JROTC Instructor?Baker Florida?
KR> wing tank building material - vinyl ester
?Vinyl Ester resin is also used in marine??applications.? With a little looking around??you may find a supplier in Florida close to? you with no shipping needed. You are correct. ?I called boat supply stores down around the water. ?The smallest quantity that I have found was 1 gallon (more than I could use) for $150. ?But I will keep looking, thank you. Joe Nunley?CW2 US Army RetiredBaker JROTC Instructor?Baker Florida?
KR> wing tank building material - vinyl ester
And it will stink up your house for days or weeks, so try to do this outside. There are odour inhibitors specially formulated for styrenic resins (polyester and vynilester), seems they work well although I have never tried them. I don't remember the brand names but an online search shall give you some of those.
KR> wing tank building material - vinyl ester
Vinyl Ester resin is also used in marine applications. With a little looking around you may find a supplier in Florida close to you with no shipping needed. -Original Message- From: KRnet [mailto:krnet-bounces at list.krnet.org] On Behalf Of bjoenunley via KRnet Sent: Monday, November 14, 2016 11:21 AM To: KRnet Cc: bjoenunley Subject: Re: KR> wing tank building material - vinyl ester ?If you get nothing else out of this thread, it ?should be that you shouldn't build fuel tanks out of epoxy, now ?that we have vinyl ester. Mark L My new favorite combination is vynal Ester and carbon fiber. I now prefer the vynal Ester to working with epoxy. My main problem of working with it is the shelf life. If I could get vynal Ester locally instead of paying huge delivery charges to have it shipped from Peachtree Georgia, I would use it exclusively. Joe Nunley CW2 US Army RetiredBaker JROTC Instructor Baker Florida ___ Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. Please see LIST RULES and KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html. see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change options To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org
KR> wing tank building material - vinyl ester
I'm kinda like Bill Clapps!! dad PVC pipe is a last long thing for fuel tank! I'm here boy's still working on the two plane's one set of wing's. I guess if I was to build some V- ester fuel tank's I'd have to test soak them for 1 year. I kinda like hard plastic for header tank and go wild on the wing tank's. Semper Fi to all the soldier's out there, nother year. X - the finger's for Trump? I hope he make's flying a better way to go.. On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 11:20 AM, bjoenunley via KRnet wrote: > > > ?If you get nothing else out of this thread, it ?should be that you > shouldn't build fuel tanks out of epoxy, now ?that we have vinyl ester. > Mark L > My new favorite combination is vynal Ester and carbon fiber. I now prefer > the vynal Ester to working with epoxy. My main problem of working with it > is the shelf life. If I could get vynal Ester locally instead of paying > huge delivery charges to have it shipped from Peachtree Georgia, I would > use it exclusively. > Joe Nunley CW2 US Army RetiredBaker JROTC Instructor Baker Florida > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. > Please see LIST RULES and KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html. > see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change > options > To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org >
KR> wing tank building material - vinyl ester
?If you get nothing else out of this thread, it ?should be that you shouldn't build fuel tanks out of epoxy, now??that we have vinyl ester. Mark L My new favorite combination is vynal Ester and carbon fiber. ?I now prefer the vynal Ester to working with epoxy. ?My main problem of working with it is the shelf life. ?If I could get vynal Ester locally instead of paying huge delivery charges to have it shipped from Peachtree Georgia, I would use it exclusively. Joe Nunley?CW2 US Army RetiredBaker JROTC Instructor?Baker Florida?
KR> wing tank building material - vinyl ester
GOOD MORNING MARK,,( PLEASE TAKE MW OFF THE LIST),, ITS BEEN FUN ,, THANK YOU PAUL ROSSI On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 7:11 AM, S via KRnet wrote: > And it will stink up your house for days or weeks, so try to do this > outside. > > There are odour inhibitors specially formulated for styrenic resins > (polyester and vynilester), seems they work well although I have never > tried them. I don't remember the brand names but an online search shall > give you some of those. > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. > Please see LIST RULES and KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html. > see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change > options > To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org > -- Paul Rossi
KR> wing tank building material - vinyl ester
If you get nothing else out of this thread, it should be that you shouldn't build fuel tanks out of epoxy, now that we have vinyl ester. Yes, you can slosh the tank and probably get good results, but it's another step, and you have to do it right. But if you use vinyl ester resin (Aircraft Spruce sells it) you're not likely to ever have a problem with it. Keep in mind that once promoted (and that's how AS sells it), the shelf life will only be 2-3 months, so this is not something you want to order in advance. And it will stink up your house for days or weeks, so try to do this outside. And don't do it in high temperatures, as the cure time is reduced to minutes. Catalyzing small quantities is measured in a very few drops, so one drop too many and you might have five minutes of working time, and that's hard to accomplish anything that involves wetting out fabric. On the other hand, I built my last wing tank in my hangar at over 100F, and I finished it in a day! That's another reason industry likes this stuff...productivity! Oh, and wear safety glasses when adding catalyst. One drop of the MEKP catalyst will blind you within minutes, if not seconds... Mark Langford, Harvest, AL ML "at" N56ML.com www.N56ML.com to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org
KR> HELP FOR KR BUILDING
Bill The KR2 that you saw was probably the Porkopolis Pig and your description is pretty accurate. Pete Klapp Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID ol' weirdo via KRnet wrote: I have been thinking about Phil Hill's unsuccessful search for help for his KR project and a few points come to mind. Cal Parker in his plans and instruction booklet tells those who would build a Teenie to go out to the airport and look at airplanes. Go into the shops where airplanes are apart. Look at everything because every designer has the same fundamental problems. Besides Cessna and Piper look at the Citations and Lears too. Look at other stuff like boats and race cars. Their problems are not unlike airplane problems. A couple stories. It's a few years ago when crossing the border wasn't the hassle it is now, Peter, who is building a KR, and I flew to Toledo to what was billed as a KR flyin. As it worked out, there was one KR and to sum up, it was no thing of beauty. KR builders have a sanding song. This plane looked as though the builder had laid the fiberglass on the foam and patted it on with the heal of his hand. But he got into the plane and flew away. I listened to Chris Heintz of Zenith tell about standing with some members of the French equivalent to Transport Canada or whoever and one them said, "Look at this." One could see just by looking at it that the plane was crooked. And the owner got in and flew away. So don't be frightened. Remember, it's only an airplane. As they say, "it's not a piano." And don't be led astray by pictures of KRs or anything else. Those pretty girls in TV soap ads are barely real. They probably use pictures of different girls to make the ad, a face from one, an arm from another, and so on.. So when one looks at a picture of part of a KR or other, one is seeing only that part. The part you see might be beautiful but for the rest, it might be a good thing to keep it hidden. Finally, there is the "three times rule" Don't be ashamed to make something three times, once to sort out how to make it, once to make it right, and once to make it to the standard you want to maintain. No one ever admits that. And even though spruce has become expensive, working with it is more productive than nearly anything else you might do which means it isn?t expensive after all. Bill Weir ___ Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. Please see LIST RULES and KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html. see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change options To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org
KR> Canopy and plans needed
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it home this evening.
Complete except for canopy, manual, and cowlings.
Next items on my list are a canopy and plans/manual.
The canopy does not need to be in the frame but I do need the plexiglass bubble.
Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Kevin - KOZS
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