KR>Metric vs. English measurements

[Fraser McGregor]

Yep.  I think that's what they said when working out the fuel for the Gimli 
Glider. :-)

At 08:01 PM 9/09/03 -0500, you wrote:
>My airspeed indicator is calibrated in megafurlongs per fortnight.  My 
>altimeter is calibrated in stones per square hand.  It doesn't make any 
>difference what the units of measure are--just fly the correct numbers and 
>you'll make it home.
>
> Jim Vance
> 
>va...@claflinwildcats.com
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KR>Notams

[Fraser McGregor]

I am interested in why you shouldn't be squarking 1200 "especially when you 
aren't talking to center."  Bear in mind I am in Australia.  Here in Oz 
that isn't a problem, even if flying OCTA and without a flight plan.   I 
know this isn't  KR post, but humour me, anyway

At 06:46 PM 9/09/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>I happen to be a crew dog on AWACS, and found myself dealing with Air Force
>-Not talking to center
>-Not squawking anything
>-Squawking 1200  (especially when you aren't talking to center)

KR>Mertic system [ NON_KR SUBJEST]

[Fraser McGregor]

What? Thinking in a different base system?  If God had meant us to think in 
12's, we would have 12 digits.   The only numbers in the imperial system 
that stimulates a better understanding of math are 36-26-36  :-)  Now back 
to planes--

At 09:50 AM 10/09/03 +0100, you wrote:
>I will challenge that. The beauty of the Metric system is that all units
>(length, mass, volume, etc.) are related in a decimal way. For example, one
>cubic meter is just 1000 liters. Try to do the same when dealing with pounds
>and inches!
>
>Serge Vidal
>KR2 ZS-WEC
>Tunis, Tunisia
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net]On
>Behalf Of Ron Eason
>Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 3:43 AM
>To: kr2coo...@earthlink.net; KR builders and pilots
>Subject: Re: KR>Mertic system [ NON_KR SUBJEST]
>
>
>One system is no better than the other, it's just a system of measurements.
>I work with both all the time. I would give the edge to English because it
>gets you thinking in different base numerical systems.  Nature and the
>Universe is not based on the 10's system. I stimulates a better
>understanding of math.
>
>  KRRon
>
>- Original Message -
>From: "Jack Cooper" 
>To: "KR builders and pilots" 
>Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 7:07 PM
>Subject: Re: KR>Mertic system
>
>
> > I think it was a big mistake not to go to metrics. The world is on one
> > standard and we in the USA on another. Metrics is so easy to learn if we
> > would just do it. Just try to work on an American car and see how many
> > fasteners are American and how many are metric. You never know which
>wrench
> > to pick up.
> >
> > Robert J. (Jack) Cooper
> > kr2coo...@earthlink.net
> > http://www.jackandsandycoooper.com/kr2
> > Why Wait?  Move to EarthLink.
> >
> >
> > > [Original Message]
> > > From: Mark Langford 
> > > To: KR builders and pilots 
> > > Date: 9/7/03 6:34:32 PM
> > > Subject: Re: KR>Building a KR2
> > >
> > > Fraser wrote:
> > >
> > > > I just wish all you guys would give your measurements in real terms,
>ie
> > > > millimeters, kg, Newtons, etc, instead of these ancient english
>imperial
> > > > things.  Pity you didn' t throw the imperial system overboard with the
> > tea
> > > > in Boston, all those years ago!  Makes my head ache, having to do the
> > > > conversions.
> > >
> > > I agree wholeheartedly!  We almost got smart and made the big move to
> > metric
> > > in the seventies, but somehow the effort got side tracked, and we're
>mired
> > > in the dark ages again.  There's nothing worse than a slug!  I'm 100%
>for
> > > the move to metric.  I lived in Germany for three years and loved it
>(and
> > > for many other reasons)...
> > >
> > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL
> > > N56ML "at"  hiwaay.net
> > > see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> >
>
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KR>Metric system [ NON_KR SUBJECT]

[Fraser McGregor]

And without wanting to offend anyone over there in the US of A, isn't that 
also the home of political correctness and litigation that you have managed 
to export to us here in OZ?  Gee, we are so much bettor off now with that 
over here.  We now can't get insurance on our planes for 
passengers.  Thanks for giving our lawyers such wonderful ideas, on how to 
screw us!

However good sense and science and the benefit of useful ways of looking at 
things, measuring them, and describing them, like metric system, shouldn't 
be discarded because it came from a different political persuasion.  The 
idea that my way is the best way because it is my way seems pretty hollow, 
today, Sept 11th.

I would like to think that the comment that one below has to be either 
tounge in cheek or the height or depth of redneckism.   If it wasn''t for 
the people from other countries and cultures and ideas, you wouldn't have 
jack s**t. After all, it was the french who taught you how to be a 
republic!  And the Irish who gave you jack daniels.  Atomic 
power?  Einstein and his mates.

>Now, sorry if I offend anyone but it seems just plain NUTS to
>me that after all of the above, and much more, we are supposed to
>kiss the asses of our intellectual, mental, moral and military
>inferiors and adopt THEIR way of doing anything!



At 11:21 AM 10/09/2003 -0700, you wrote:

KR>KR 4 sale

[Fraser McGregor]

Colin

At 10:31 PM 6/09/03 -0400, you wrote:
Snip-
  Several netters including myself have bought new 0 time airframes 
complete for what you are asking for an older airplane that does not have 
some of the later refinements and improvements.
Snip-

Hi - I am new to this net, so bear with me please!  I am looking for a 
suitable plane to build, and the KR2 of KR2S seems to fit the bill for me 
so far.  Do the current plans available have these later refinements and 
improvements that you mentioned,?  If not, is there a source of these, or 
is it simply that these refinements etc are what individuals have done to 
their planes while building them?

Thanks.

FM

KR>Building a KR2

[Fraser McGregor]

Thanks Colin for that advice - yes I have been looking at the web sites - 
all very interesting.  As I live in Australia - also known as God's Great 
Garden - I might just have to pass on the gathering, but thanks for the 
offer - the old C172 won't go that far.

I just wish all you guys would give your measurements in real terms, ie 
millimeters, kg, Newtons, etc, instead of these ancient english imperial 
things.  Pity you didn' t throw the imperial system overboard with the tea 
in Boston, all those years ago!  Makes my head ache, having to do the 
conversions.  (Please note - last para is my attempt at humour :-))

At 09:39 AM 7/09/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>Fraser,
>You said:
>Hi - I am new to this net, so bear with me please!  I am looking for a
>suitable plane to build, and the KR2 of KR2S seems to fit the bill for me
>so far.  Do the current plans available have these later refinements and
>improvements that you mentioned,?  If not, is there a source of these, or
>is it simply that these refinements etc are what individuals have done to
>their planes while building them?
>To answer your question, please do not think that I am the authority here, 
>as there are some long time builders that have way more knowledge of this 
>aircraft than I. I guess I just tend to be alittle more vocal! HaHa.
>The KR2 is a wonderful airplane, but a new builder should not consider the 
>older KR2 without including the "S" supplement. If you will "cruise" over 
>to the KRnet construction site and search through the archives, you will 
>find a HUGE amount of information on modifications and improvements that 
>builders have made to this little plane.  Also, lots of builders' sites 
>have great ideas and improvements that they have made to overcome 
>different building challenges that they have experienced.  The KR2S plans 
>are reported to be the clearest and easiest to use, as well as the 
>supplement including the refinements of re-enforced firewall for larger 
>powerplants, and longer fuselage.  Mark Langford's site talks about 
>several good refinements and hiper links you to other sources of 
>additional studies and mods.  The original KR2 had a neat idea for 
>retracts, but over the years, virtually every builder with them has done 
>away with them in favor of a less drag inducing well faired fixed gear, or 
>some other version of retract (Loehle Replicas has a good system that 
>swing inboard, but requires alot of work to fit onto a KR2).  Also you 
>cannot forget to put the gear down on fixed gear!  I had a student 
>recently, over 300 hour pilot take me down an instrument approach in a 
>twin engine aircraft and forget the landing gear, all the way down to 400 
>AGL when I took over and lowered the gear. If he had been solo that would 
>have been an expensive mistake.
>What I recommend is for you to take several afternoons and read through 
>the different builder websites and finished aircraft, and learn all you 
>can from the ones out there building, or flying.  They know what is 
>working for them, and will save you literally hundreds of hours trying to 
>solve problems. Then when you have questions, and you can't find the 
>answer in the archives, ask it here.  Go to the Gathering this year and 
>look at the KR2, and KR2S up close and compare.  I am told the materials 
>cost is virtually the same, and you will be much happier with the plane 
>when it is complete.  Any other builders' thoughts please don't hesitate 
>to chime in here :)
>
>
>Colin Rainey KR2(td)
>crain...@cfl.rr.com
>Sanford, Florida
>FLY SAFE___
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KR>Metric vs imperial

[Fraser McGregor]

Here in OZ we have the SI system for just about everything, (I think) but 
for aviation we have feet, knots, runway lengths can be given in feet and 
metres, but fuel is in litres, and plane weights in kg, so it is a bit of a 
mish mash.  Just to keep you guys in the northern hemisphere 
ed-u-mic-kat-ed, like! :-)

At 11:13 AM 8/09/2003 +0100, you wrote:
>My 2 cents worth as an historian:
>They could not throw the imperial system overboard with the tea in Boston,
>'cause we, Frenchmen, had not invented the scientific replacement yet. The
>Metric system came only with OUR revolution, only a few years down the line.
>Of couse, later, the Metric system was made the basis of the International
>System of Measures, and is therefore, today, the ONLY system with
>international recognition (even the British have discarded the Imperial Body
>Parts system).
>Alas, at the end of WWII, aviation in the Western world has to regress to US
>standards. But the Russian world abides the IS system, ant their aircraft
>fly altitudes in meters, and speeds in kilometers per hour. I got my
>microlight licence in a Russian built Aviatika "Baby Mig" that was just like
>that... and I had to think fast in the air to convert!
>
>Now, while waiting for a Federal miracle Do as I do, get yourself a nice
>piece of converter software.  ;-)
>
>Serge Vidal
>KR2 ZS-WEC
>Tunis, Tunisia
>
>-Original Message-
>From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net]On
>Behalf Of Fraser McGregor
>Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2003 11:20 PM
>To: KR builders and pilots
>Subject: Re: KR>Building a KR2
>
>
>Thanks Colin for that advice - yes I have been looking at the web sites -
>all very interesting.  As I live in Australia - also known as God's Great
>Garden - I might just have to pass on the gathering, but thanks for the
>offer - the old C172 won't go that far.
>
>I just wish all you guys would give your measurements in real terms, ie
>millimeters, kg, Newtons, etc, instead of these ancient english imperial
>things.  Pity you didn' t throw the imperial system overboard with the tea
>in Boston, all those years ago!  Makes my head ache, having to do the
>conversions.  (Please note - last para is my attempt at humour :-))
>
>At 09:39 AM 7/09/2003 -0400, you wrote:
> >Fraser,
> >You said:
> >Hi - I am new to this net, so bear with me please!  I am looking for a
> >suitable plane to build, and the KR2 of KR2S seems to fit the bill for me
> >so far.  Do the current plans available have these later refinements and
> >improvements that you mentioned,?  If not, is there a source of these, or
> >is it simply that these refinements etc are what individuals have done to
> >their planes while building them?
> >To answer your question, please do not think that I am the authority here,
> >as there are some long time builders that have way more knowledge of this
> >aircraft than I. I guess I just tend to be alittle more vocal! HaHa.
> >The KR2 is a wonderful airplane, but a new builder should not consider the
> >older KR2 without including the "S" supplement. If you will "cruise" over
> >to the KRnet construction site and search through the archives, you will
> >find a HUGE amount of information on modifications and improvements that
> >builders have made to this little plane.  Also, lots of builders' sites
> >have great ideas and improvements that they have made to overcome
> >different building challenges that they have experienced.  The KR2S plans
> >are reported to be the clearest and easiest to use, as well as the
> >supplement including the refinements of re-enforced firewall for larger
> >powerplants, and longer fuselage.  Mark Langford's site talks about
> >several good refinements and hiper links you to other sources of
> >additional studies and mods.  The original KR2 had a neat idea for
> >retracts, but over the years, virtually every builder with them has done
> >away with them in favor of a less drag inducing well faired fixed gear, or
> >some other version of retract (Loehle Replicas has a good system that
> >swing inboard, but requires alot of work to fit onto a KR2).  Also you
> >cannot forget to put the gear down on fixed gear!  I had a student
> >recently, over 300 hour pilot take me down an instrument approach in a
> >twin engine aircraft and forget the landing gear, all the way down to 400
> >AGL when I took over and lowered the gear. If he had been solo that would
> >have been an expensive mistake.
> >What I recommend is for you to take several afternoons and read through
> >the different builder websites and finished aircraft, and learn all you
> >can from