KR> acceptable Tolerances for building
Hi all, I was going to be smart, and find the standard tolerance that they used for the drawings, however in looking at the plans, they do not give a +/- tolerance to go with. I have been a Mechanical Drafter for 17 years, and have never seen a drawing without a standard tolerance block on it. My standard tolerances for 2 place or fractional at work is .0625 or 1/16th, however that is on a door. Fractional tolerances I have seen up as high as 1/8th inch, depending on the equipment it is being used on. The thing you want remember is to get it as close as you can to what they list on the drawings. There is no such thing as a perfect assembly. There will always be some variance. However, you have to ask yourself, what is this part going to do, is it moving or mating? If not, then you can probably get by w/ 1/8th inch tolerance, +/-. On the fuselage, I would get it as close to the listed # as possible, and glue it up and move on. Have a good one. Dick KR2S, (Plans now moved closer to me) Salol, MN -Original Message- From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net] On Behalf Of Bob Glidden Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 9:26 PM To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR> acceptable Tolerances for building Brad I have not seen a lot of replies to this and I'm no expert,but I would think that a 16th is pretty good and as I've heard many times and you will get used to saying "close enough for KR work" Good luck and happy building. Bob Glidden Eminence,Indiana KR2S (Building) Corvair 110 glid...@ccrtc.com ___ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net Post photos, introductions, and For Sale items to http://www.kr2forum.com/phpBB2/index.php please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html
KR> EBay Fraudulent KR2S Plans DVD (again...)
Good Morning all, As a rather silent member of the group for more than 3 years, and 3x original plans owner, I get a kick out of you guys. (Yes, 3X, 1 set in 1986 that faded too much to use, one set last summer, and one set with the part built bird I purchased) Anyway, the reason I sit here and laugh, you talk so openly about what can be done to stop this, stir everything up, even give the Ebay Item # on this site. All ANY NON-MEMBER that likes the KR Aircraft or others has to do is go to: Search the KRnet Archives at listed at the bottom of each email. (You can also get to Achieves by google search), If they then Type DVD in the correct field, they come up with all the information they need to purchase the DVD. And all of you are helping them to do it, and helping the sellers sales. As a side note to the legality if these things, If memory serves, Copyrighted material is only good for so many year unless it is renewed. (I believe 20) So, although what this person is doing is not real ethical well... you get where I am going. Nobody wants to see Jeanette hurt by this thing. But all you are really doing by chatting about it is advertising for these people. Just my .02 cents on the matter Take Care... The Brain Frozen Northern Minnesotan Dick Salol, MN -Original Message- From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net] On Behalf Of Dan Heath Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 4:35 AM To: kr...@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR> EBay Fraudulent KR2S Plans DVD (again...) It would be helpful to know how to post such a thing to EBay. See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics See you at the 2009 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Ill There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for Flying has begun. Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC ---Original Message--- From: John Bouyea List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org Date: 2/25/2009 8:54:28 AM To: KRNet Subject: KR> EBay Fraudulent KR2S Plans DVD (again...) If you want to speak up, another bozo is ripping off Jeannette. I posted a "theft of intellectual property" notice with EBay. You may want to do the same. Item number: 150328872126 Keep building. John Bouyea KR2 - Hillsboro, OR ___ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ___ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html
KR> KR-1 Plans Available
Mike, I can only wish 2 things happen to you for this action: 1. The Group Owner/Moderator REMOVES YOU from the Group. Your action from what you call Frustration is a TOTALLY ILLEGAL violation of International COPYRIGHT LAWS. Jeanette Rand has served the Aviation Community for too many years to have some MORON like you come along and totally kill the dream of keeping her husbands design alive. She has served us as builders for 35-40 years after the death of Ken, and did not have to. 2. I that after you are removed from this list, your Registration information is forwarded to Rand/Robinson and their Attorney's to go after you for the violation of them Copyright Laws no matter what country you live in. As a very happy 2 time customer of Rand/Robinson, I know that there is NOTHING WRONG with the quality of the Prints or printed materials. All prints are made off from 1 master copy of the original, and I am sure Jeanette would not allow the quality to deteriorate. In Closing, I can only ask one thing. As a member, and owner of the other KR Group on Yahoo, Owner/Moderator please remove this guy as he will be from my group if he is a member!! Dick Salol, MN Mike wrote: > Hey Guys, > I have put a digital set of KR-1 plans up on the internet. They are > available . > > > > If anyone has a set of KR-2 or KR-2S plans they would be willing to loan me > .. > > Cheers, > Mike > > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > >
KR> KR-1 Plans Available
Yes, She could be a little quicker, but then she is fast compared to some. If she were to go with CC company, then she would have to increase the price. I am sure she is like some of the older folks on cell phones and computers... she dont want the change, and dont want to learn something new. I purchased my first set of plans back in 1982. There was a 3 week wait. I never did build off from them and they became unreadable from sitting out in the light. In 2007, I ordered my 2nd set, and included the S revision. Believe it or not, she remembered me after all them years, and gave the plans to me at a update price, plus the S addition. It took me 1 month to get them. Between this group, and my KR2 Sport group, there is enough information out there for any configuration that you may want to build. You just have to have a little Patients to get the plans... Take Care... Dick Salol, MN Bill Weir wrote: > Maybe Jeanette could be a bit quicker and maybe she could arrange to take > credit card but so? The system is working better than any other group of > which I am acqainted, and this chat room gives all the updates and help > anyone could ask. Just build the plane. > > Bill Weir > - Original Message - > From: "Gary Lynn Robison" > To: "KRnet" > Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 7:14 AM > Subject: Re: KR> KR-1 Plans Available > > > This is not the right way. > > > What I received from Rand Robinson arrived in about 30 days > and was enough to put the aircraft together. I think you expected > to much and you reaction was way to much in the wrong direction. > This is "not" a place pin "B" in hole "A34" type project.Far from it. > It requires gray matter on your part. Nights of head scratching and > pondering it is only an outline ... but a good one. Please take the > torrent > down and reconsider this. > > Gary > > > > - Original Message - > From: "Mike" > To: > Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 2:29 AM > Subject: KR> KR-1 Plans Available > > > Hey Guys, > I have put a digital set of KR-1 plans up on the internet. They are > > > > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > >
KR> KR Gathering location, 2010
I will throw in the Possibility of Warroad, MN On the SW Shore of Lake of the Woods... But will have to do some checking first with the local Chapter and Airport Manager. I do not think Camping space would be a problem, Meeting site has possibilities, but Hangers are rather full... tie down only. A Casino, and 3 fair Motels 1 mile away from Airport. If there is interest, I will need time to check it out take care Dick Salol, MN Mark Langford wrote: > So that's it? California, New Hampshire, or South Carolina? The far > extremes of the country? I'm sure those places are great, but it'd be nice > if the location was a little more convenient to the majority of attendees. > Nobody else closer to the middle of the country is interested in hosting the > Gathering? > > Otherwise, all three of these places sound good enough for me. We still > need to get a mass KR "fly-out" to the West organized sometime, and Steve's > airport at Corona sounds fine for that. That's 1760 miles for me, which > would take 12 hours of flying, 50 gallons of fuel one way, with at least > four fuel stops along the way. Maybe I need to add that extra wing tank > first. And we wonder why the west coast guys don't show up every year... > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL > mail: N56ML "at" hiwaay.net > website: www.N56ML.com > > > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > >
KR> KR Gathering location, 2010
Northern Minnesota... 6 Miles off the Canadian Border in Minnesota Dick Salol, MN Deems Herring wrote: > Canada > > > > > > >> From: jsell...@keybase.com >> To: kr...@mylist.net >> Subject: RE: KR> KR Gathering location, 2010 >> Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 09:37:26 -0300 >> >> Richard; >> Can you remind us where Lake of the Woods is located? >> Jim >> >> > > _ > Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail®. > http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_QuickAdd_062009 > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > >
KR> KR Gathering location, 2010
With respect for the KRNet group as a whole, I will keep this as short as possible and NOT state my full feelings. When I offered to Host in Northern Minnesota, there was NO limits as to what part of the country you had to be in. (There were NO boundaries given) Same Goes for the NW, E, and NE Coasts!! You requested information on who would be interested in Hosting, and many of us answered that request. Now all of the sudden, there is post after post of _itching and complaining about those Locations that have been offered. You have to realize there would be a LOT of leg work and calls to be made by the person Hosting to make arrangements. To get the Grilles around, and set aside a meeting place. To get local people to be drivers for those who would like to go see some local sites, and transportation to the convention site. Much time could be spent in the prep for such an event. Yet... ALL we see is Complaining about Locations, and NOT ONE Thanks Guys for the Offer... It will be taken into consideration!!! Well, Remove Northern Minnesota from the list. I do not believe I would want to put that effort out for those who have commented. Good Luck, Dick Salol, MN Mark Langford wrote: > OK, I lied. I haven't given up yet. Although Dana's Key West idea really > is pure genius, that's a long way for me, and I live in Alabama! I have > another plan. I just looked through some of the old Gathering photos, and > the ones of Red Oak Iowa (http://www.airnav.com/airport/KRDK) still remind > me of the nice rural countryside, multiple runway airport, and great people. > Mike Garbez and Steve Bennett put this one on, and I'm guessing that if > others volunteer to deal with hats T-shirts and awards, that'd make things a > lot easier on them, and they might be coerced into doing it again. That'd > be closer to the West Coast, near Omaha's major airport. It struck most of > us as being a perfect place when we were there. The nearest hotel is 2.2 > miles, and the beer store is only slightly further, and they have kegs! The > only way you could get any closer to the center of the country is go a > little south to Kansas City Missouri or maybe western Kansas. > > Having said all of this, I don't have a problem with going to California one > year, but I wouldn't want it to be the only KR Gathering of the year because > many east coast folks wouldn't be able to attend. But as a "freebie" > Gathering, I think that's a great idea for those who could make it. Same > with the other locations that volunteered. > > Of course this is all somewhat hypothetical, as there has to be a vote at > this year's Gathering on where the 2010 Gathering will be, and it's really > anybody's game. If somebody comes up with a better idea and we vote it in, > that's great. It's really up to all of this year's Gathering attendees to > vote for where it will be next year..that's the way it's always worked. > > I think I just saw three Spitfires fly over in formation, and then a DC-3 > like thing, all headed in the direction of Popham airport, so I'm outta > here... > > Mark Langford > N56ML "at" hiwaay.net > website at http://www.N56ML.com > > > > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > >
KR> KR Gathering location, 2010
Hi Bobby, Well, I will stop at what I have said so far. The main reason for what is now the expired offer is that Warroad, from any place on the east coast is no more than 1700 miles, From the West, 1600 miles, From the south of Texas... 1500 miles. It equaled it out for the coast lines. Plus, bring Canadian Builders into the picture because we are a Port of Entry. Aside from having some of the Greatest Pike Fishing in the World for them folks that wish to stay on, There is always a Museum and 40 acre Plant of the Largest Custom Window Manufacturer in the U.S. Today. Polaris Plant is 20 miles to the West. Arctic Cat 60 miles south for those who are interested in wheels or tracks when flying is not possible. With that... I will say... Good Day... Dick Salol, MN bobby burington wrote: > Hey Dick , > I feel the same as you do , was gonna offer up central California but gald I > waited. Not gonna happen now > > Bobby Burington > California KR Builder > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > >
KR> 'ire" on the list?
Mark, Not to fuel this further, but rather to cool it down some... or try. The offer was NOT canceled because of anything you said. The offer was canceled because of what was NOT said when requesting location offers. Below is from your original post. I do not see anywhere in your "Requisites" that the place "offered" , had to be centrally located. Only a request for Volunteers. Due to incomplete information from the start, I felt it better to cancel the offer for the betterment of the group. Simple as that!! Personally, I do not understand totally why you dont just re-visit old convention sites. You already have your foot in the Door there, and know what is in the area. I think in the future, I will only be sitting on the side as I have in the past and reading the posts unless asked. There are a bunch of good folks on here, and lots of great information. As most know that have read any of my previous posts, I am also the owner of the KR2_Sport_Plane Group on Yahoo. I will be sticking pretty much to that group in the future unless asked about something. Take Care, Dick Salol, MN *So here's what I'm asking. Would somebody please volunteer to host the Gathering NEXT year? I can't do it because my airport is "private" and it's not legal to fly in if you are not an owner (or part owner, as in stockholder). Wayne from Mississippi volunteered to host it a few years ago (twice), but died before we allowed him to do it. I'm sure there are others who would like the opportunity to put their airport on the KR map. The requisites are that the airport has to be uncontrolled (or the controller is blind and deaf), somewhat out of town so the FBO doesn't get alot of complaints or has good neighbors, food has to be brought in (a big grille and burgers will work), someplace for the banquet is good (although I've enjoyed the ones in the hangar at Pine Bluff and Mount Vernon), inside storage at night for the KR's is a big plus, and the host has to do all of the organization. Support from an EAA chapter would be helpful, and local church or high school band groups often have fund-raising efforts that will do the cooking for you. H...I may have just killed it right there! But it never hurts to dream. * Mark Langford wrote: > > > Why is it that folks seem to be looking for a reason to get irritated with > others? Richard Hasbrook got all bent out of shape because I didn't thank > the folks who'd volunteered to host the Gathering around the perimeter of > the country. There again, I didn't say "this is a really stupid idea", I > just pointed out that those places were away from the majority of people in > the country, and a lot further than many folks would want to travel. He > took that as a direct slap in the face, got mad, cancelled his offer, and > stomped off steaming, and rescinded his inviation. > > . > > Mark Langford > N56ML "at" hiwaay.net > website at http://www.N56ML.com > > > > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > >
KR> Valdosta crash
This IS meant as a Sarcastic Remark Why you Say..? Because they have blamed it on Being a first time Pilot, his electrical wiring ability, and Smoking. Why would they not try to put the blame off on a new company? I find it amazing that groups have to look for anything other than a Large Error on the part of the Pilot. If he was smoking, it was Pilot Error. If it was a New engine, It was still pilot error, Because he was responsible for it to be in shape, BEFORE making that flight. Whoever... made the first post that Willie is refering to, has not now caused a LOT of doubt in Bill's ability as a new company, but quite possibly hurt future business. After meeting this Gent at Osh 2007, and grilling/listening to him for over 3 hours... I cannot imagine pour quality work. My point THINK BEFORE YOU POST.. For those who have questioned the whereabouts of the Dreaded LSA KR Site, I will post it below. Although I do not want to promote it here, I also know this group does not like to talk LSA, so I feel I may be doing you somewhat of a service. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kr2Sport/ Take care, and sorry about rattling off again... Dick Salol, MN Willie van der Walt wrote: > Subject: RE: KR> Valdosta crash > > You mean other than this was the first official engine . > > Why do you make this remark? I think it is bad manners! > > > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > >
KR> Valdosta crash
Correct Steve... Pilot on command is always responsible to ensure his aircraft is in Perfect condition... Every fllight. Dick Salol, MN Stephen Glover wrote: > Interesting, so that means if you pay Cessna $100,000 for a new airplane you > should go over it with a fine tooth comb to make certain the engine or > associated components are perfect. In general, basically disregard the fact > that you have paid for a "professional" installation or product and given > the fact you are not a certified mechanic with the ability to sign it off as > airworthy? So in essence you are saying who cares that you pay someone to > perform major work on your plane, you should also be certified and be able > to determine whether the installation is correct. > > Oh brother > > > Steve Glover > Long-EZ N2121U > Former KR-2 N902G > Corona, CA > kr...@cox.net > > > -Original Message- > > If it was a New engine, It was still pilot error, Because > he was responsible for it to be in shape, BEFORE making that flight. > > > > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > >
KR> KR LSA?
Larry, If you like, you can also refer folks with LSA questions on to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kr2Sport/ We would be more than happy to take them, and that will get the seemingly unwanted LSA talk off the main Builders site. I have a Link on that site, Back here to KRNET for the members of that group that wants standard KR building information. Take Care, Dick Salol, MN Larry&Sallie Flesner wrote: > At 02:56 PM 6/15/2009, you wrote: > >> Can any of the KR experimental aircraft be LSA certified? >> Thanks in advance >> Bob >> > ++ > > Please go to > > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > type "lsa certified" in the keyword and hit "submit" > and spend the next several hours reading all the previous post > on this subject. This address is at the bottom of every krnet post. > > Larry Flesner > > > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > >
KR> test
It came thru to me Jack. Must be just the slow down for Fathers Day Weekend or something. Take Care... Dick Salol, MN jack.cooper2009 wrote: > I'm receiving no email from KR net. I'm sure its not that slow so it must be > my server. > > > > Jack > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > >
KR> RE: [Bulk] Who's going to KOSH this year (or just OSH to the US Flyers)
Good Evening All, We will be making the trip from the great North Central. My trip to MO is now canceled, but we are going to meet Doug of Hart Aero at Osh this year to pick up my KR2 Project. We should be onsite by the 26th or 27th. Take care Dick Salol, MN 218-242-2331 Brad Stone wrote: > I'll be driving in on Sunday, Staying with friends about an hour away. Will > attend Mon through Wed. Hope to find some KR people there. > Brad Stone > N2644C > KR2S > Madison, Ms. > Cell 601-842-6338 > > --- On Mon, 7/6/09, cgardn628 wrote: > > > From: cgardn628 > Subject: KR> RE: [Bulk] Who's going to KOSH this year (or just OSH to the US > Flyers) > To: "'KRnet'" > Date: Monday, July 6, 2009, 7:51 PM > > > Hi KR Heads, > > Just thought I would start the ball rolling on this thread. > > Who's attending either by KR or driving? Are there any KR events planned > (BBQ etc.) > > Sorry if this question has already been posted. > > Cheers > > Chris Gardiner > KR2S > C-GKRZ 200+ hours and climbing > > > > > > >
