KR> KR crash reports

[Jeff Scott]

Don't know about the turbine KR or Roberts Muse's KR, but I saw Bobby Muse's KR 
was destroyed in southern California in a fatal crash by the new owner trying 
to fly it home in ridiculously high winds.  Seems to me that Don Betcham's KR 
ended up upside down somewhere near Rapid City, SD in an accident, but the new 
owner walked away.

-Jeff Scott
Los Alamos, NM
?
?
?
Lots of other good info available also if you google "faa accident
report kr2". I've often wondered what happened to several KRs I've
seen in the past like Robert Muse's KR , the turbine KR seen at the
Perry, Oklahoma KR Gathering in the late 90's, and the retractable
gear KR owned by the Gathering host at Perry.

Larry Flesner
?

KR> KR crash reports

[Larry Flesner]

While discussing crashing / survivability I came across a document 
authored by the soft spoken Mark Langford. 
www.n56ml.com/KRaccidents.doc   Good read, lots of don't do this or 
you might hurt yourself info.

Lots of other good info available also if you google "faa accident 
report kr2".  I've often wondered what happened to several KRs I've 
seen in the past like Robert Muse's KR , the turbine KR seen at the 
Perry, Oklahoma KR Gathering in the late 90's, and the retractable 
gear KR owned by the Gathering host at Perry.

Larry Flesner 

KR> KR crash

[Marc Baca]

Hello Flyers;

After meeting many of you at the 2011 KR Gathering it became quite evident that 
we as a group are profoundly different than ordinary pilots and aviation 
enthusiasts.  We strive for the satisfaction of building our own aircraft, we 
have the intestinal fortitude to fly them, we work diligently to move beyond 
just mastering our craft  in order to thrive in the fringes of aviation.  


I wont speculate what happened with this incident but one of the things that we 
can do to promote KR safety is form regional support groups that assist in 
building, sharing technical resources, participate in KR Activities (fly outs, 
demonstrations, worshops etc) and actively promote the development of KR 
aircraft and sound building practices.  The KR site is fantastic for providing 
information but hands on activities would be just as valuable.

I've always thought that Southern California should have one of these 
builder/flyer groups. I know that there are a few flying KR-2's in this area 
but 
I have not seen any organized KR events here in So. Cal. There may also be a 
few 
KR's in people's garages that could be brought back out into the light and made 
airworthy.

If anyone local is interested in building or finishing their KR in the area 
east 
of Los Angeles perhaps we can contribute toward renting a large hangar in 
Chino, 
CA (30 mi east of Los Angeles where NVaero is located) and re-invigorate sound 
KR building and flying in So. Cal that will hopefully spread throughout the 
rest 
of the country.  


Heck... I'd like to see a California KR Brigade of 7 -12 KR's flying to the 
40th 
anniversary KR Gathering coming year.  


Marc Baca
East Los Angeles





From: Brian Coss <briancossdul...@gmail.com>
To: KRnet <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Sun, October 9, 2011 1:50:13 AM
Subject: Re: KR> KR crash

Gosh the accident is heart wrenching! What can we learn from this?
On Oct 8, 2011 9:38 PM, "Tim" <t...@telus.net> wrote:

l

KR> KR crash thoughts

[Craig Williams]

All

As a buyer of a pre-built boat stage KR2S I have thought about these things 
too.  But I have taken the path of mitigating the risk with whatever steps are 
needed (both plane and pilot)before I fly it.  I don't know what happened with 
the accident and the pilot may have done everything he felt he could to reduce 
the risk of failure to include using the Internet as a source of information.  
If he did then you can say it was just his time and we don't get to chose that 
time.  If not, then he took a risk he did not need to take, but chose to take, 
and he lost.  I hope to learn something from this tragedy and may Mr Berry RIP.

Craig
www.kr2seafury.com



- Original Message -
From: "joe.kr2s.buil...@juno.com" <joe.kr2s.buil...@juno.com>
To: kr...@mylist.net
Cc: 
Sent: Sunday, October 9, 2011 6:20 AM
Subject: KR> KR crash thoughts

Hey Guys,This is indeed sad. I have long thought about where did many of the KR 
planes go that were shown in the past,(sold to someone and hidden away) 
Joe Horton,
Coopersburg, PA.
-- Forwarded Message --
From: Brian Coss briancossdul...@gmail.com
Gosh the accident is heart wrenching! What can we learn from this?
On Oct 8, 2011 9:38 PM, "Tim" <t...@telus.net> wrote:

> Newspaper 38yr old >>>
> http://www.swvatoday.com/news/article/plane_crashes_in_groseclose/11167/
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Bob Glidden" <glid...@ccrtc.com>
>
> FAA released name of KR pilot in crash. Was Travis O. Berry. Still looking
> into what happen..

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[joe.kr2s.buil...@juno.com]

Hey Guys,This is indeed sad. I have long tought about where did many of the KR 
planes go that were shown in the past,(sold to someone and hidden away) Then 
there are the folks that are out there stilll building that do not have 
internet service, may not want it or  may not be comfortable using it. In any 
case there are  a number of builders and pilots that are not on this group. If 
this group had a charter it certainly would have some wording about promoting 
and educating people about the construction and flying of the KR series 
aircraft. The way I see it to answer the specfic question is not what can we 
learn from this but much more to the point is what can we teach to prevent 
this. We promote ourselves by word of mouth and anyone with a little internet 
savay can search us out. But there has got to be more that we can do to make 
ourselves know.  I am thinking that anyone that has a printed brouchour could 
add a line pointing towards KRnet for construction suppport. (Steve G.? may 
already be there I didn't look) Maybe it is time to get an article published 
about the KR and the up coming 40th aniversary would make a worthy excuse. 
Another thing that I do is go see people and give a ride. I do not have anymore 
money to do that than anyone else on this list but I certainly think that is 
important.  
Many of you don't know but I flew hang gliders for 20 years- The sport remained 
selfregulating through the efforts of the piolots and  instructors to lower the 
accident rates. This means on the small scale of looking over the shoulder of 
the next guy. Even asking the simple question "are you sure about that" can 
have wide spread results. No one plans on going out and dieing today.
Joe Horton,
Coopersburg, PA.
-- Forwarded Message --
From: Brian Coss briancossdul...@gmail.com
Gosh the accident is heart wrenching! What can we learn from this?
On Oct 8, 2011 9:38 PM, "Tim"  wrote:

> Newspaper 38yr old >>>
> http://www.swvatoday.com/news/article/plane_crashes_in_groseclose/11167/
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Bob Glidden" 
>
> FAA released name of KR pilot in crash. Was Travis O. Berry. Still looking
> into what happen..

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KR> KR crash

[Tim]

??? Do to the extent of the fire, time may tell I'd bet the short flight 
path has been walked, looking for control parts or clues.
Age somewhat rules out incapacitation, less C/Monoxicde etc...

CldLk-Tim


- Original Message - 
From: "Brian Coss" 


Gosh the accident is heart wrenching! What can we learn from this?
On Oct 8, 2011 9:38 PM, "Tim"  wrote:

> Newspaper 38yr old >>>
> http://www.swvatoday.com/news/article/plane_crashes_in_groseclose/11167/

KR> KR crash

[Brian Coss]

Gosh the accident is heart wrenching! What can we learn from this?
On Oct 8, 2011 9:38 PM, "Tim" <t...@telus.net> wrote:

> Newspaper 38yr old >>>
> http://www.swvatoday.com/news/article/plane_crashes_in_groseclose/11167/
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Bob Glidden" <glid...@ccrtc.com>
> To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
> Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2011 7:03 PM
> Subject: KR> KR crash
>
>
> FAA released name of KR pilot in crash. Was Travis O. Berry. Still looking
> into what happen..
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Bob Glidden
>
> KR2 N807MT (Mouse Trap)
>
> Eminence, Indiana
>
> glid...@ccrtc.com
>
>
>
>
>
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KR> KR crash

[Tim]

Newspaper 38yr old >>>
http://www.swvatoday.com/news/article/plane_crashes_in_groseclose/11167/


- Original Message - 
From: "Bob Glidden" <glid...@ccrtc.com>
To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2011 7:03 PM
Subject: KR> KR crash


FAA released name of KR pilot in crash. Was Travis O. Berry. Still looking
into what happen..







Bob Glidden

KR2 N807MT (Mouse Trap)

Eminence, Indiana

glid...@ccrtc.com  





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[Bob Glidden]

FAA released name of KR pilot in crash. Was Travis O. Berry. Still looking
into what happen..







Bob Glidden

KR2 N807MT (Mouse Trap)

Eminence, Indiana

glid...@ccrtc.com  

KR> KR crash

[Craig Williams]

Update on Travis Berry KR2 crash.  Did anyone know him of the plane?



http://www.wcyb.com/news/29421820/detail.html



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To: KRnet <kr...@mylist.net>
Cc: 
Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2011 10:12 PM
Subject: KR> KR crash




News story http://www.wcyb.com/video/29410809/index.html   

Jack Cooper 

Chuckey TN
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KR> KR Crash

[Mark Jones]

On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 9:17 AM, Scott Stanton  
wrote:
> Is Don Reid still on the net? That's a bit away from his place, but
> it's not out of the realm of possibility.
>

Guys,
 This is something that has no place for speculation and guessing of who the 
pilot might be. As serious of a situation as this is, please wait till the 
facts are in and only reveal the true facts.


Mark Jones (N886MJ)
Stevens Point, WI
E-mail: flyk...@charter.net
Web: www.flykr2s.com



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[Donald Reid]

Still here but not currently active.  After a divorce, the unfinished
plane is in my hangar, but I live almost two hours away.

I don't know the pilot or plane involved.

On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 9:17 AM, Scott Stanton  wrote:
> Is Don Reid still on the net?  That's a bit away from his place, but
> it's not out of the realm of possibility.
>

KR> KR Crash

[Scott Stanton]

Is Don Reid still on the net?  That's a bit away from his place, but 
it's not out of the realm of possibility.

Scott Stanton
Raleigh NC

On 10/07/2011 08:42 AM, kr2coo...@comcast.net wrote:
> Morning news they still have not released the name of the pilot.
>
> Jack Cooper
>

KR> KR Crash

[kr2coo...@comcast.net]

Morning news they still have not released the name of the pilot. 



Jack Cooper 

Chuckey TN 

KR> KR crash

[Jose Fuentes]

I would agree, though short of pulling up too hard and causing a dive or
sucide it seems like it would be pretty un-natural. There is barely anything
left of that plane at all.

Joe

On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 5:31 AM,  wrote:

> It appears it went in very hard.  Maybe nearly straight in as small as  the
> debris field is.  There is a piece of nose cowl piece in the video that
> appears to be in primer rather than painted.
>
> Kevin Golden
> Harrisonville, MO
> Streak Shadow
>
>
> --
> Jose Fuentes
> Founding Father (one of and former Vice Prez) of Capital City.NET User's
> Group
> Former Microsoft MVP
> http://blogs.aspadvice.com/jfuentes
>

KR> KR crash

[tinya...@aol.com]

It appears it went in very hard.  Maybe nearly straight in as small as  the 
debris field is.  There is a piece of nose cowl piece in the video that  
appears to be in primer rather than painted.  

Kevin Golden
Harrisonville, MO
Streak Shadow 




In a message dated 10/6/2011 10:12:27 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
kr2coo...@comcast.net writes:




News story http://www.wcyb.com/video/29410809/index.html  

Jack Cooper 

Chuckey  TN
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[kr2coo...@comcast.net]

News story http://www.wcyb.com/video/29410809/index.html   

Jack Cooper 

Chuckey TN

KR> KR crash

[kr2coo...@comcast.net]

I just heard on 11:00 news that a KR2 crashed in Virginia and the pilot was 
killed. 

Jack Cooper 

Chuckey TN. 

KR> kr crash

[Lee Van Dyke]

Sorry to post this to the net,

But the Craig from CO, who crashed at the gathering can you give me a call.

Lee Van Dyke

Mesa AZ

KR> KR Crash in AZ

[Larry Knox]

Seems it must be a good way to go up or down. He crashed and walked away
from it. Larry

-Original Message-
From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net] On Behalf
Of Mark Jones
Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 11:35 AM
To: KRnet
Cc: Corvair Net
Subject: KR> KR Crash in AZ

Bob's KR was powered with a Corvair.

Mark Jones (N886MJ)
Stevens Point, WI
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Web: www.flykr2s.com



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[patr...@gmcmotorhome.com]

I'm no attorney, but I'm pretty sure that a trustee can also be an officer
of a corporation or LLC.

Patrick

On Sun, November 1, 2009 8:46 am, Randy Smith wrote:
> Trustee means the plane is set up in an estate. Not sure why he would put
> a liability like a plane in the estate and not a corporation.
>

KR> KR Crash in AZ

[Mark Jones]

Bob's KR was powered with a Corvair.

Mark Jones (N886MJ)
Stevens Point, WI
E-mail: flyk...@charter.net
Web: www.flykr2s.com

KR> KR Crash in AZ

[Randy Smith]

Trustee means the plane is set up in an estate. Not sure why he would put a 
liability like a plane in the estate and not a corporation.

--- On Sat, 10/31/09, Lee Van Dyke <l...@vandyke5.com> wrote:


From: Lee Van Dyke <l...@vandyke5.com>
Subject: Re: KR> KR Crash in AZ
To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Saturday, October 31, 2009, 10:48 PM


It was not Robert in the plane at the time of the forced landing.

- Original Message - 
From: "Pete" <stranged...@dodo.com.au>
To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 6:42 PM
Subject: Re: KR> KR Crash in AZ


N number search results.
I hope he's OK.
http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/NNum_Results.aspx?NNumbertxt=811RJ

Pete.

Lee Van Dyke wrote:
> Well, ask and ye shall receive,  Try to find KR's in AZ and they show up 
> on the new.
>
> http://www.azfamily.com/video/raw/RAW-Plane-crashes-near-Glendale-Airport-67727122.html
>
> Lee
>


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KR> KR Crash in AZ

[Orma Robbins]

Any more details on why the forced landing?   What about that part of the 
registration that says trustee.  Can anyone explain what that means.
- Original Message - 
From: "Lee Van Dyke" <l...@vandyke5.com>
To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 8:20 PM
Subject: KR> KR Crash in AZ


Well, ask and ye shall receive,  Try to find KR's in AZ and they show up on 
the new.

http://www.azfamily.com/video/raw/RAW-Plane-crashes-near-Glendale-Airport-67727122.html

Lee
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[Lee Van Dyke]

It was not Robert in the plane at the time of the forced landing.

- Original Message - 
From: "Pete" <stranged...@dodo.com.au>
To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 6:42 PM
Subject: Re: KR> KR Crash in AZ


N number search results.
I hope he's OK.
http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/NNum_Results.aspx?NNumbertxt=811RJ

Pete.

Lee Van Dyke wrote:
> Well, ask and ye shall receive,  Try to find KR's in AZ and they show up 
> on the new.
>
> http://www.azfamily.com/video/raw/RAW-Plane-crashes-near-Glendale-Airport-67727122.html
>
> Lee
>


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[Pete]

N number search results.
I hope he's OK.
http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/NNum_Results.aspx?NNumbertxt=811RJ

Pete.

Lee Van Dyke wrote:
> Well, ask and ye shall receive,  Try to find KR's in AZ and they show up on 
> the new.
>
> http://www.azfamily.com/video/raw/RAW-Plane-crashes-near-Glendale-Airport-67727122.html
>
> Lee
>   

KR> KR Crash in AZ

[Lee Van Dyke]

Well, ask and ye shall receive,  Try to find KR's in AZ and they show up on the 
new.

http://www.azfamily.com/video/raw/RAW-Plane-crashes-near-Glendale-Airport-67727122.html

Lee

KR> KR Crash Mystery Solved

[Mark Jones]

NTSB Identification: NYC06LA092
14 CFR Part 91: General Aviation
Accident occurred Tuesday, April 11, 2006 in North Andover, MA
Aircraft: Michaud KR2S, registration: N24065
Injuries: 1 Minor.
This is preliminary information, subject to change, and may contain errors. Any 
errors in this report will be corrected when the final report has been 
completed.

On April 11, 2006, at 0814 eastern daylight time, a homebuilt KR2S, N24065, was 
substantially damaged during a forced landing near North Andover, 
Massachusetts, following a partial loss of engine power while departing 
Lawrence Municipal Airport (LWM), Lawrence, Massachusetts. The certificated 
private pilot sustained minor injuries. Visual meteorological conditions 
prevailed, and no flight plan was filed for the local personal flight conducted 
under 14 CFR Part 91. 

According to a Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) inspector, the pilot built 
the accident airplane over a period of approximately 10 years. The airplane was 
equipped with a converted 1983 General Motors Corporation Corvair automobile 
engine. 

The accident flight was the first flight in the airplane. During the initial 
climb, about 200 feet agl, the engine lost partial power. Specifically, the 
propeller rpm decreased from 3,200, to 2,300. The pilot was unable to maintain 
altitude, and the airplane struck trees in a residential area during a forced 
landing. The airplane subsequently came to rest inverted in the trees. 

Examination of the wreckage by the FAA inspector revealed approximately 2 
gallons of fuel remaining in the airplane's 9-gallon header fuel tank. The 
inspector did not observe any contamination in the airplane's fuel or fuel 
filter.

Mark Jones (N886MJ)
Wales, WI
Web site: www.flykr2s.com
Mailto:flyk...@wi.rr.com

KR> KR Crash - Rapid City, SD

[jehayw...@aol.com]

   There was a plane crash here yesterday around 1pm about a mile from my 
home.  The pilot was up and walking around when the emergency vehicles arrived 
onsite.  He *was* taken to the hospital for a check but his name hasn't been 
released yet as far as I know.  The tail number is: N250KB and the accident is, 
of course, under investigation.  He had just taken off and landed about a 
half-mile from the departure end of the airport runway.  I took some pictures 
this 
afternoon and there wasn't much evidence of a hard impact in the ground but 
the plane pretty much disintigrated except for the tail feathers. 

Jim Hayward 
Rapid City, SD 

KR> KR Crash - Rapid City, SD

[Mark Langford]

Jim Hayward wrote:

> The tail number is: N250KB and the accident is,
> of course, under investigation.

That was Don Betchan's nice "motorcycle" retractable gear KR, which became a
standard showing at the KR Gatherings.  That sure was  a nice plane, with a
lot of ingenious modifications, and we'll all miss it...

Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama
N56ML "at" hiwaay.net
see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford

KR> KR Crash - Rapid City, SD

[Kris Feldmann]

It's all right here on the FAA's website:
  -Kris
  - - - - - - -

FAA Registry
N-Number Inquiry Results
N250KB is Assigned

Assigned/Registered Aircraft
Aircraft Description

Serial Number   D-002  Type Registration   Individual
Manufacturer Name   BETCHAN DONCertificate Issue Date  None
Model   KR II  Status  Valid
Type Aircraft   Fixed Wing Single-Engine
Type Engine Reciprocating
Pending Number Change   None   Dealer  No
Date Change Authorized  None   Mode S Code 50454141
MFR Year1988Fractional Owner   NO


Registered Owner

NameREGISTRATION PENDING
Street  20437 BRIAN WAY STE E
CityTEHACHAPI
State   CALIFORNIA
Zip Code93561-6766
County  KERN
Country UNITED STATES


Airworthiness

Engine Manufacturer   VOLKSWAGEN Classification  Experimental
Engine Model  CONVERSION Category  Amateur Built

A/W Date  10/21/1988

Other Owner Names

None


Temporary Certificate
None


Fuel Modifications
None


jehayw...@aol.com wrote:
>There was a plane crash here yesterday around 1pm about a mile from my 
> home.  The pilot was up and walking around when the emergency vehicles 
> arrived 
> onsite.  He *was* taken to the hospital for a check but his name hasn't been 
> released yet as far as I know.  The tail number is: N250KB and the accident 
> is, 
> of course, under investigation.  He had just taken off and landed about a 
> half-mile from the departure end of the airport runway.  I took some pictures 
> this 
> afternoon and there wasn't much evidence of a hard impact in the ground but 
> the plane pretty much disintigrated except for the tail feathers. 
> 
> Jim Hayward 
> Rapid City, SD 
> 
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