KR> Nose gear failures

[Pat Driscoll]

Mark said:
   COUGH>>>COUGH>>>COUGH.BULLSHIT

   That isn't proper for the high class in which we hold the KR Net. 
   You should have said, COUGH>>>COUGH>>>COUGHBOVINE EXCRETMENT
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KR> Nose gear failures

[Pat Driscoll]

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KR> Nose gear failures

[Pitts Eric MSgt 181FW/MXOO]

How many nose gear failures have there been on KRs with the Diehl setup or
any setup and what part failed? i.e. The strut the lower mount or engine
mount



Thanks



 Eric Pitts

KR2S w/engine mount beening shipped today

Terre Haute Indiana

KR> Nose gear failures

[Mark Jones]

Eric, 
You have to have a MOUNT AND NOSE GEAR BEFORE YOU WORRY ABOUT THAT!!!

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Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 8:13 AM
To: kr...@mylist.net
Subject: KR> Nose gear failures


How many nose gear failures have there been on KRs with the Diehl setup
or
any setup and what part failed? i.e. The strut the lower mount or engine
mount



Thanks



 Eric Pitts

KR2S w/engine mount beening shipped today

Terre Haute Indiana



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KR> Nose gear failures

[Mark Jones]

Now to answer your question, I have not heard of any failures. I have
heard of guys who were leery of the nose gear strut and filled it with
carbon fiber rods and epoxy to strengthen it. Personally, I do not feel
this is necessary and only adds weight.  When you taxi a nose wheel KR,
there is very little actual weight on the nose gear. If you hit a bump
in the taxiway, the nose will actually lift off the pavement. Of course,
when the KR is on the ramp and no pilot is inside the CG moves farther
forward which results in more weight on the nose gear. Again, this is of
no concern to me as I have many times manually lifted the nose off the
ground. When I did a W, there was 217 lbs on the nose wheel with the
Corvair engine installed.
Don't worry, you should have no problems with the Diehl nose gear.

Mark Jones (N886MJ)
Wales, WI
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Behalf Of Pitts Eric MSgt 181FW/MXOO
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 8:13 AM
To: kr...@mylist.net
Subject: KR> Nose gear failures


How many nose gear failures have there been on KRs with the Diehl setup
or
any setup and what part failed? i.e. The strut the lower mount or engine
mount



Thanks



 Eric Pitts

KR2S w/engine mount beening shipped today

Terre Haute Indiana



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KR> Nose gear failures

[Pitts Eric MSgt 181FW/MXOO]

I was told my mount will ship today UPS, the rest I have just need to weld
it to the mount. Just wanting to know how safe they are for grass strips.



Eric Pitts

KR2S

Terre Haute Indiana

KR> Nose gear failures

[Mark Jones]

The only thing with the Diehl nose gear is that the only size tire that
will fit is the TR100-022 tire from Wicks which is a Shin 3.40x3.00x5
which is a fairly small tire. If the grass strip is well groomed and
very smooth, you should have no problem as long as you do soft field
landings which are very easy to do in a KR. I consistently land on the
mains holding the nose off until the elevator no longer has any effect
and lets the nose settle. So far, I have not landed or taken off from
grass in my KR. I have taxied in grass and had no problem. I use full up
elevator when I do just to help keep weight off the nose.

Mark Jones (N886MJ)
Wales, WI
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Mailto:flyk...@wi.rr.com


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Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 9:14 AM
To: kr...@mylist.net
Subject: KR> Nose gear failures


I was told my mount will ship today UPS, the rest I have just need to
weld
it to the mount. Just wanting to know how safe they are for grass
strips.



Eric Pitts

KR2S

Terre Haute Indiana





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KR> Nose gear failures

[D F Lively]

Mark and Eric:

I concur with Mark Jones on this one as it backs my assesment of the nose
gear question but mine has yet to fly and I have know experience.

Don
  

Mark Jones wrote:

> The only thing with the Diehl nose gear is that the only size tire that
> will fit is the TR100-022 tire from Wicks which is a Shin 3.40x3.00x5
> which is a fairly small tire. If the grass strip is well groomed and
> very smooth, you should have no problem as long as you do soft field
> landings which are very easy to do in a KR. I consistently land on the
> mains holding the nose off until the elevator no longer has any effect
> and lets the nose settle. So far, I have not landed or taken off from
> grass in my KR. I have taxied in grass and had no problem. I use full up
> elevator when I do just to help keep weight off the nose.
>
> Mark Jones (N886MJ)
> Wales, WI
> Web site: www.flykr2s.com
> Mailto:flyk...@wi.rr.com
>
> -Original Message-
> From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net]On
> Behalf Of Pitts Eric MSgt 181FW/MXOO
> Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 9:14 AM
> To: kr...@mylist.net
> Subject: KR> Nose gear failures
>
> I was told my mount will ship today UPS, the rest I have just need to
> weld
> it to the mount. Just wanting to know how safe they are for grass
> strips.
>
>
>
> Eric Pitts
>
> KR2S
>
> Terre Haute Indiana
>
>
>
>
>
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KR> Nose gear failures

[Joseph H. Horton]

Eric, 
Just working from memory here but I think that I knew of 2 and
one was on a grass field, I think that both folded the strut it's self. I
am sure they were both before 1999 as I first found out about them when I
joined the net. Having said that I have damaged mine while beating the
runway into submission on one of my very early flights. It took 4.5 g's
to bend it 4 deg's. Dan did not have a new one in stock to replace it so
he told me to bend it back just this once. It took all my weight and
strength an a 8 ft lever with the strut fit between 2 trailer hitch balls
on my truck bumper to get it back in shape. Mark is right about it not
having that much weight on it. Mine was 215#.
Joe Horton, Coopersburg, PA.
joe.kr2s.buil...@juno.com

On Thu, 6 Jul 2006 09:12:32 -0400 Pitts Eric MSgt 181FW/MXOO
 writes:
> How many nose gear failures have there been on KRs with the Diehl 
> setup or
> any setup and what part failed? i.e. The strut the lower mount or 
> engine
> mount
> 

KR> Nose gear failures

[Jack Cooper]

Eric
Gene Byrd had a Deihl nose gear on his KR prior to his crash. He was flying
off a grass strip, not the smoothest in the world but also not too bad.
Although he never had a failure his strut bent just above the nose wheel
fork. He had a gusset welded in and continued to fly it until he got a new
strut from Diehl. Gene told me that Dan Diehl said it would happen again if
he continued to land on grass. 

Jack Cooper
kr2coo...@earthlink.net
Fayetteville. NC.


> [Original Message]
> From: Pitts Eric MSgt 181FW/MXOO <eric.pi...@interr.ang.af.mil>
> To: <kr...@mylist.net>
> Date: 7/6/2006 9:13:09 AM
> Subject: KR> Nose gear failures
>
> How many nose gear failures have there been on KRs with the Diehl setup or
> any setup and what part failed? i.e. The strut the lower mount or engine
> mount
>
>  
>
> Thanks
>
>  
>
>  Eric Pitts
>
> KR2S w/engine mount beening shipped today
>
> Terre Haute Indiana
>
>  
>
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KR> Nose gear failures

[D F Lively]

Netters:

You may have control over the condition of the strip from which you fly but
how do you know what the strip you go to only once or not often?

The bigger problem is the small wheel(s)!

Don
  



Pitts Eric MSgt 181FW/MXOO wrote:

> Netters
>
>
>
> Thanks for the info, sounds like it could use a little beef up for grass
> plus the strip needs to be smooth.
>
>
>
> Eric Pitts
>
> KR2S
>
> Terre Haute Indiana
>
>
>
>
>
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KR> Nose gear failures

[Mark Jones]

One way to beef it up would be to have a fairing welded on the back side
of the strut. This could be made from matching steel and would serve two
purposes, added strength plus aerodynamics. H.sounds like a
plan for this winter.

Mark Jones (N886MJ)
Wales, WI
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Mailto:flyk...@wi.rr.com


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Netters



Thanks for the info, sounds like it could use a little beef up for grass
plus the strip needs to be smooth.



Eric Pitts

KR2S 

Terre Haute Indiana





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KR> Nose gear failures

[Pitts Eric MSgt 181FW/MXOO]

Mark 



You could beef it up that way, you just need to make sure you do not take
the heat treating out of the strut.  Use small short welds Or have it
retreated 



Eric Pitts

KR2S

Terre Haute Indiana

KR> Nose gear failures

[Brian Kraut]

There have been at least a couple that I have heard about.  I do remember
that the early ones from Diehl were different than the ones he is making
now.  If I recall correctly he is filling the tube with a composite material
now.  Or maybe they were composite before and now they are a steel tube or
vice versa.  Anyway, I know that there was definitely a design change and
the last time I spoke to him about it a few years ago he was giving free
exchanges to the new type of tube if you had the old one.  Call him up and
see what the difference is and if you have the old or new type.  You will be
hard pressed to find a better and more friendly person to deal with than
Dan.

Brian Kraut
Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
www.engalt.com

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Behalf Of Joseph H. Horton
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 1:09 PM
To: kr...@mylist.net
Subject: Re: KR> Nose gear failures


Eric,
Just working from memory here but I think that I knew of 2 and
one was on a grass field, I think that both folded the strut it's self. I
am sure they were both before 1999 as I first found out about them when I
joined the net. Having said that I have damaged mine while beating the
runway into submission on one of my very early flights. It took 4.5 g's
to bend it 4 deg's. Dan did not have a new one in stock to replace it so
he told me to bend it back just this once. It took all my weight and
strength an a 8 ft lever with the strut fit between 2 trailer hitch balls
on my truck bumper to get it back in shape. Mark is right about it not
having that much weight on it. Mine was 215#.
Joe Horton, Coopersburg, PA.
joe.kr2s.buil...@juno.com

On Thu, 6 Jul 2006 09:12:32 -0400 Pitts Eric MSgt 181FW/MXOO
<eric.pi...@interr.ang.af.mil> writes:
> How many nose gear failures have there been on KRs with the Diehl
> setup or
> any setup and what part failed? i.e. The strut the lower mount or
> engine
> mount
>

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KR> Nose gear failures

[D F Lively]

Brian:

I purchased my Diehl Nose gear in the last month, it is hollow.

I only had a problem wth the heel of the pad that attached to the left motor
mount.
I had to grind off the heel of the pad up to the weld of the brace to clear the
GP (5)
point mount.  It would also help if  told you the tire size that fits the nose
wheel fork.

Don Lively
Burlington, IA
  

Brian Kraut wrote:

> There have been at least a couple that I have heard about.  I do remember
> that the early ones from Diehl were different than the ones he is making
> now.  If I recall correctly he is filling the tube with a composite material
> now.  Or maybe they were composite before and now they are a steel tube or
> vice versa.  Anyway, I know that there was definitely a design change and
> the last time I spoke to him about it a few years ago he was giving free
> exchanges to the new type of tube if you had the old one.  Call him up and
> see what the difference is and if you have the old or new type.  You will be
> hard pressed to find a better and more friendly person to deal with than
> Dan.
>
> Brian Kraut
> Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
> www.engalt.com
>
> -Original Message-
> From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net]On
> Behalf Of Joseph H. Horton
> Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 1:09 PM
> To: kr...@mylist.net
> Subject: Re: KR> Nose gear failures
>
> Eric,
> Just working from memory here but I think that I knew of 2 and
> one was on a grass field, I think that both folded the strut it's self. I
> am sure they were both before 1999 as I first found out about them when I
> joined the net. Having said that I have damaged mine while beating the
> runway into submission on one of my very early flights. It took 4.5 g's
> to bend it 4 deg's. Dan did not have a new one in stock to replace it so
> he told me to bend it back just this once. It took all my weight and
> strength an a 8 ft lever with the strut fit between 2 trailer hitch balls
> on my truck bumper to get it back in shape. Mark is right about it not
> having that much weight on it. Mine was 215#.
> Joe Horton, Coopersburg, PA.
> joe.kr2s.buil...@juno.com
>
> On Thu, 6 Jul 2006 09:12:32 -0400 Pitts Eric MSgt 181FW/MXOO
> <eric.pi...@interr.ang.af.mil> writes:
> > How many nose gear failures have there been on KRs with the Diehl
> > setup or
> > any setup and what part failed? i.e. The strut the lower mount or
> > engine
> > mount
> >
>
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KR> Nose gear failures

[Phil Matheson]

My first one was Glass, I contacted Dan and he replaced it with a thick wall
4130 , no charge only frieght to Australia, as they were all meant to have
been relaced due to some failures, but the new are very strong. and heat
treated.

Phillip Matheson
0408665880 (cell)
VHPKR
Australia.
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KR> Nose gear failures

[Joe Beyer]

>Eric, 

>Just working from memory here but I think that I knew of 2 and

>one was on a grass field, I think that both folded the strut it's self. I

>am sure they were both before 1999 as I first found out about them when I

>joined the net. 



I folded mine in July 2000 due to a hard landing. You get a real good view
of the runway. I made the tube stronger at the pivot point by welding an
extra tube on the outside of the strut where the drag braces attach. Since
then I have had shimmy problems which I think I've solved by adding stronger
bellview washers.   



-Joe



PDX

KR> Nose gear failures

[ifly...@aol.com]

I dont think I'll EVER have a nose gear failure on mine.   My  plane was 
built correctly!.Bill and 41768

KR> Nose gear failures

[Mark Jones]

COUGH>>>COUGH>>>COUGH.BULLSHIT

Mark Jones (N886MJ)
Wales, WI
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Mailto:flyk...@wi.rr.com


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I dont think I'll EVER have a nose gear failure on mine.   My  plane was

built correctly!.Bill and 41768

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