KR> Oshkosh Attendance
Hi, I just have to throw this out there. I was just shy of making it to the meeting Tues., very disappointed since I missed it last year also, but mostly disappointed in the poor, or should I say no attendance of any aircraft AGAIN, I will make an effort however to be in Illinois
KR> Oshkosh Attendance
As we have been telling you all along, if you want to see KRs, you have to come to the gathering. The KR got shunned by the EAA at it's 20th anniversary and I do believe that a lot of the older guy who tried to participate that year remember it and really don't want to go back. Come to the gathering and you will see KRs. "There is a time for building and a time for GOING TO THE GATHERING, and the time for building has long since expired." See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering http://KRGathering.org See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC ---Original Message--- From: KRnet List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org Date: 07/29/04 18:57:13 To: kr...@mylist.net Subject: KR> Oshkosh Attendance Hi, I just have to throw this out there. I was just shy of making it to the meeting Tues., very disappointed since I missed it last year also, but mostly disappointed in the poor, or should I say no attendance of any aircraft AGAIN, I will make an effort however to be in Illinois ___ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html .
KR> Oshkosh Attendance
>From: "Dan Heath" The KR got shunned by the EAA at it's 20th >anniversary and I do believe that a lot of the older guy who tried to >participate that year remember it and really don't want to go back. I've been around KR's for a lot of years and hear this every Oshkosh year. What I have never heard are the particulars. Was the KR actually slighted or was it just perceived? Dan, do you know the issues? I do know that 3 is usually a good number for Sun & Fun or Oshkosh, with the number of plans sold over the years that is a poor turnout. I've said it before, this is a great little airplane and should be flown to events. This is especially true now that Rand Robinson no longer is a patron at Sun & Fun, Arlington, Oshkosh, etc. Sorry, you can slam me but I think the busy grandmother card has been played way too many times. If it wasn't for the KRNet, just how much interest would there be in building one nowdays? I've got to be careful in what I say anymore as some think simply because I am now buidling something else, I have no interest in the KR design. Nothing could be furthur from the truth. Get these KRs out for people to see. It would amaze you the number of people who have never seen one in person. I'd have to go out on limb and say the KR is the most underseen experimental airplane at flyins around the states that has been on the market for as long as it has been. Why should someone have to be so interested in the KR to have to make a journey to a national gathering hosted by individuals interested in the continuance of the airplane once a year rather than see one at their local airshow? I don't mean to sound like a nagging father but that's a poor way to show off your bird. Sorry but you can't walk around with a damn chip on your shoulder for something that happened to someone else you don't even know uhpteen years ago. Sorry for the Fun Friday rant, but get these great inexpensive airplanes. People want to see them. I'm sure I'll get slammed and start my weekend off to a pis$ poor start, but so be it:-) Looking forward to camping at the gathering.had my banjo out yesterday.boy am I bad but I sure can play loud Dana Overall 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host Richmond, KY i39 RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic" Finish kit 13B Rotary. Hangar flying my Dynon. http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero1.jpg http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero3.jpg http://rvflying.tripod.com/blackrudder.jpg do not archive
KR> Oshkosh Attendance
Dana, I have to totally agree with everything you said below. Excuses can be made up over and over and we can all hide behind ridicule. But until these planes are exposed at the airshows, they will always carry that stigma that has been attached to them for years. If you are ashamed to show your plane because of it's hyped up reputation by people who do not know better, then do not build one and get rid of the one you have and let someone who is proud of it show it off at the airshows. Personally, starting next year, you will see my KR at Oshkosh and every other airshow I can get to without getting a divorce over it. Now, finish up that KR and get it out there for the world to see. Can you imagine just how many KR would be flying if every one that was started was finished. There have been over 12,000 sets of plans sold. That would be a lot of KR's. BTW, I have a really cool speed brake installation and very simple. Plus, the operation is flawless. I just finished the installation if the panel switch and all wiring yesterday. I will make a web link to it this weekend for all to see. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flyk...@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html - Original Message - From: "Dana Overall" To: Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 6:12 AM Subject: Re: KR> Oshkosh Attendance > >From: "Dan Heath" > The KR got shunned by the EAA at it's 20th > >anniversary and I do believe that a lot of the older guy who tried to > >participate that year remember it and really don't want to go back. > > I've been around KR's for a lot of years and hear this every Oshkosh year. > What I have never heard are the particulars. Was the KR actually slighted > or was it just perceived? Dan, do you know the issues? > > I do know that 3 is usually a good number for Sun & Fun or Oshkosh, with the > number of plans sold over the years that is a poor turnout. I've said it > before, this is a great little airplane and should be flown to events. This > is especially true now that Rand Robinson no longer is a patron at Sun & > Fun, Arlington, Oshkosh, etc. Sorry, you can slam me but I think the busy > grandmother card has been played way too many times. If it wasn't for the > KRNet, just how much interest would there be in building one nowdays? I've > got to be careful in what I say anymore as some think simply because I am > now buidling something else, I have no interest in the KR design. Nothing > could be furthur from the truth. Get these KRs out for people to see. It > would amaze you the number of people who have never seen one in person. I'd > have to go out on limb and say the KR is the most underseen experimental > airplane at flyins around the states that has been on the market for as long > as it has been. Why should someone have to be so interested in the KR to > have to make a journey to a national gathering hosted by individuals > interested in the continuance of the airplane once a year rather than see > one at their local airshow? I don't mean to sound like a nagging father but > that's a poor way to show off your bird. Sorry but you can't walk around > with a damn chip on your shoulder for something that happened to someone > else you don't even know uhpteen years ago. > > Sorry for the Fun Friday rant, but get these great inexpensive airplanes. > People want to see them. > > I'm sure I'll get slammed and start my weekend off to a pis$ poor start, but > so be it:-) Looking forward to camping at the > gathering.had my banjo out yesterday.boy am I > bad but I sure can play loud > > > > > Dana Overall > 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host > Richmond, KY i39 > RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic" > Finish kit > 13B Rotary. Hangar flying my Dynon. > http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero1.jpg > http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero3.jpg > http://rvflying.tripod.com/blackrudder.jpg > do not archive > > > > ___ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html >
KR> Oshkosh Attendance
RE: I've been around KR's for a lot of years and hear this every Oshkosh year. What I have never heard are the particulars. Was the KR actually slighted or was it just perceived? Dan, do you know the issues? I was there that year. Bob Muse and I tried to get out of Atlanta, but the weather formed a solid wall from around Chatanooga, so I flew back home and got in the car and drove to be at the dinner for the 20th anniversary. There was a fly by planned and the KRs were not told untill the last minute that they were to go. They were being squeezed in, between all the big money planes. We got there in time to hear the announcement that Herb Bull, the person who did the painting for Jeanette, had crashed of a heart attack during the fly by. He had to haul his plane in a hurry to get it to where they had to take off. Maybe he knew he should not fly or not. Maybe all the extra induced stress because the EAA forgot where there roots are, brought it on, who knows. The bottom line, as I understood it at the time, is that the EAA was too busy showing off the big money planes, to allow the KR to participate in an organized fly by as was planned by the KR people. This in NOT an excuse, and, on my life's list of things to do, is still to fly my own plane to Oshkosh. I will fly this plane to Oshkosh and every other place that I can. Marty and Dan Diehl were there along with a lot of the other old timers. I don't know how many KRs were there, but I do know that they all were very dissappointed in the EAA and that has stuck with me for over 10 years and until EAA does something to show that they remember where they came from, it will never go away. If you want to see KRs come to the Gathering. As many as can get there, get there. That should tell you something. "There is a time for building and a time for GOING TO THE GATHERING, and the time for building has long since expired." See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering http://KRGathering.org See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC
KR> Oshkosh Attendance
Dana, No one should slam you for telling the truth. In all the years that I owned the Little Beast, I made it to two gatherings and tried once to get to Oshkosh. Pretty bad on me. I always wanted to go to Sun n Fun, and have wondered ever since I sold it, why I never went. I still don't know. I do think that if the Net were around, I probably would have. The plain fact is, KRs don't fly. Don't know why. Maybe they are always broke. I don't know, but I sure hope to change that here in this area, soon. "There is a time for building and a time for GOING TO THE GATHERING, and the time for building has long since expired." See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering http://KRGathering.org See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC
KR> Oshkosh Attendance
This is pretty much what happened although it leaves out the conversations I had with the EAA months previous that set up a KR only flyby. We even had conversations about a possible missing man formation to honor Ken. When we arrived at Oshkosh were not on the schedule. I did a lot of talking and at the last minute in place of one of the mornings general flybys we were told we could fly which really did make it a last minute thing. Whether this did or didn't have anything to do with Herb, we will never know. However, I still carry this with me because I'm also the one who set everything up and witnessed the crash. I can say that it did put a bad taste in everyone's mouth and none of us went back until 97 when I called a number of the pilots and said let's put it behind us and go again. It was tough to fly in that year. Of course everyone knows we did the same thing in 2002 and several of us went last year too. Quite frankly, I have lots of fun at Oshkosh but it is just a matter of time off and choosing priorities. I make it an absolute priority for the KR Gathering. Today, I think it is more an issue that there isn't a promotion for the KR at Oshkosh, other than what Mark and I have done. I believe that people want to be part of something and if you go to Oshkosh, what are you part of with the KR? Who do you talk to and ask questions of? If you go to the Gathering, you are definitely part of a great event and you can talk to "like minded people." These are people who love aviation, want a responsive airplane and love the idea of being able to own an affordable aircraft. Is there truth that we were shunned? I don't know, there is truth that they promised me certain things then didn't schedule it and had to rush around to deliver something that wasn't what we were promised. Do we carry a grudge? I've put it behind me and I think other issues are more prominent today for KR people as outlined above. Will I go back? If I'm still flying in 2007, you bet I'll be there and try to organize the 35th anniversary. See you at the Gathering. Jim Faughn -Original Message- From: krnet-bounces+jfaughn=socket@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces+jfaughn=socket@mylist.net] On Behalf Of Dan Heath Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 6:55 AM To: kr...@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR> Oshkosh Attendance RE: I've been around KR's for a lot of years and hear this every Oshkosh year. What I have never heard are the particulars. Was the KR actually slighted or was it just perceived? Dan, do you know the issues? I was there that year. Bob Muse and I tried to get out of Atlanta, but the weather formed a solid wall from around Chatanooga, so I flew back home and got in the car and drove to be at the dinner for the 20th anniversary. There was a fly by planned and the KRs were not told untill the last minute that they were to go. They were being squeezed in, between all the big money planes. We got there in time to hear the announcement that Herb Bull, the person who did the painting for Jeanette, had crashed of a heart attack during the fly by. He had to haul his plane in a hurry to get it to where they had to take off. Maybe he knew he should not fly or not. Maybe all the extra induced stress because the EAA forgot where there roots are, brought it on, who knows. The bottom line, as I understood it at the time, is that the EAA was too busy showing off the big money planes, to allow the KR to participate in an organized fly by as was planned by the KR people. This in NOT an excuse, and, on my life's list of things to do, is still to fly my own plane to Oshkosh. I will fly this plane to Oshkosh and every other place that I can. Marty and Dan Diehl were there along with a lot of the other old timers. I don't know how many KRs were there, but I do know that they all were very dissappointed in the EAA and that has stuck with me for over 10 years and until EAA does something to show that they remember where they came from, it will never go away. If you want to see KRs come to the Gathering. As many as can get there, get there. That should tell you something. "There is a time for building and a time for GOING TO THE GATHERING, and the time for building has long since expired." See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering http://KRGathering.org See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC ___ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html
KR> Oshkosh Attendance
I echo what Jim says about KR attendance at OSH. I think it's due to a number of factors rather than just a single one, such as Herb's accident. As far as the accident, I think I remember that the weather was pretty hot that day and there was quite a long line of airplanes and a long wait for guys to get in the air. I remember seeing Herb and a couple others standing outside next to their planes on the taxi way. So, it's possible that he was not feeling very well at the time. Also, it's been said that many KR builders are pretty hard working individuals and it may be difficult for some to take off work to attend. Like the Pietenpol clan and other type fly-ins, the KR group really enjoy their own gathering - many, even more than Oshkosh. It's often a matter of choice. Let's all hope for good weather. This Gathering at Mt. Vernon should be a fun one, for sure. Again, how many days left, Mark? :o) Ed Janssen mailto:ejans...@chipsnet.com - Original Message - From: "Jim Faughn" To: "'KRnet'" Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 7:50 AM Subject: RE: KR> Oshkosh Attendance > This is pretty much what happened although it leaves out the > conversations I had with the EAA months previous that set up a KR only > flyby. We even had conversations about a possible missing man formation > to honor Ken. When we arrived at Oshkosh were not on the schedule. I did > a lot of talking and at the last minute in place of one of the mornings > general flybys we were told we could fly which really did make it a last > minute thing. Whether this did or didn't have anything to do with Herb, > we will never know. However, I still carry this with me because I'm also > the one who set everything up and witnessed the crash. I can say that it > did put a bad taste in everyone's mouth and none of us went back until > 97 when I called a number of the pilots and said let's put it behind us > and go again. It was tough to fly in that year. Of course everyone knows > we did the same thing in 2002 and several of us went last year too. > Quite frankly, I have lots of fun at Oshkosh but it is just a matter of > time off and choosing priorities. I make it an absolute priority for the > KR Gathering. > > Today, I think it is more an issue that there isn't a promotion for the > KR at Oshkosh, other than what Mark and I have done. I believe that > people want to be part of something and if you go to Oshkosh, what are > you part of with the KR? Who do you talk to and ask questions of? If you > go to the Gathering, you are definitely part of a great event and you > can talk to "like minded people." These are people who love aviation, > want a responsive airplane and love the idea of being able to own an > affordable aircraft. > > Is there truth that we were shunned? I don't know, there is truth that > they promised me certain things then didn't schedule it and had to rush > around to deliver something that wasn't what we were promised. Do we > carry a grudge? I've put it behind me and I think other issues are more > prominent today for KR people as outlined above. Will I go back? If I'm > still flying in 2007, you bet I'll be there and try to organize the 35th > anniversary. > > See you at the Gathering. > > Jim Faughn > > -----Original Message- > From: krnet-bounces+jfaughn=socket@mylist.net > [mailto:krnet-bounces+jfaughn=socket@mylist.net] On Behalf Of Dan > Heath > Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 6:55 AM > To: kr...@mylist.net > Subject: Re: KR> Oshkosh Attendance > > RE: I've been around KR's for a lot of years and hear this every > Oshkosh year. What I have never heard are the particulars. Was the KR > actually slighted or was it just perceived? Dan, do you know the > issues? > > I was there that year. Bob Muse and I tried to get out of Atlanta, but > the weather formed a solid wall from around Chatanooga, so I flew back > home and got in the car and drove to be at the dinner for the 20th > anniversary. > There was a fly by planned and the KRs were not told untill the last > minute that they were to go. They were being squeezed in, between all > the big money planes. > > We got there in time to hear the announcement that Herb Bull, the person > who did the painting for Jeanette, had crashed of a heart attack during > the fly by. He had to haul his plane in a hurry to get it to where they > had to take off. Maybe he knew he should not fly or not. Maybe all the > extra induced stress because the EAA forgot where there roots are, > brought it on, who knows. > > The bottom line, as I understood it at the time, is that the EAA was too > busy showing off the big money planes, to a
KR> Oshkosh Attendance
Ed, By golly it is only 55 days. I bet Stephen didn't know that. :-) Mark Jones Mueller Sales Corporation Ph: 262-781-5310 Fax:262-781-4130 E-mail: mjo...@muellersales.com Web: www.muellersales.com -Original Message- From: ejans...@chipsnet.com [mailto:ejans...@chipsnet.com] Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 9:47 AM To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR> Oshkosh Attendance I echo what Jim says about KR attendance at OSH. I think it's due to a number of factors rather than just a single one, such as Herb's accident. As far as the accident, I think I remember that the weather was pretty hot that day and there was quite a long line of airplanes and a long wait for guys to get in the air. I remember seeing Herb and a couple others standing outside next to their planes on the taxi way. So, it's possible that he was not feeling very well at the time. Also, it's been said that many KR builders are pretty hard working individuals and it may be difficult for some to take off work to attend. Like the Pietenpol clan and other type fly-ins, the KR group really enjoy their own gathering - many, even more than Oshkosh. It's often a matter of choice. Let's all hope for good weather. This Gathering at Mt. Vernon should be a fun one, for sure. Again, how many days left, Mark? :o) Ed Janssen mailto:ejans...@chipsnet.com - Original Message - From: "Jim Faughn" To: "'KRnet'" Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 7:50 AM Subject: RE: KR> Oshkosh Attendance > This is pretty much what happened although it leaves out the > conversations I had with the EAA months previous that set up a KR only > flyby. We even had conversations about a possible missing man formation > to honor Ken. When we arrived at Oshkosh were not on the schedule. I did > a lot of talking and at the last minute in place of one of the mornings > general flybys we were told we could fly which really did make it a last > minute thing. Whether this did or didn't have anything to do with Herb, > we will never know. However, I still carry this with me because I'm also > the one who set everything up and witnessed the crash. I can say that it > did put a bad taste in everyone's mouth and none of us went back until > 97 when I called a number of the pilots and said let's put it behind us > and go again. It was tough to fly in that year. Of course everyone knows > we did the same thing in 2002 and several of us went last year too. > Quite frankly, I have lots of fun at Oshkosh but it is just a matter of > time off and choosing priorities. I make it an absolute priority for the > KR Gathering. > > Today, I think it is more an issue that there isn't a promotion for the > KR at Oshkosh, other than what Mark and I have done. I believe that > people want to be part of something and if you go to Oshkosh, what are > you part of with the KR? Who do you talk to and ask questions of? If you > go to the Gathering, you are definitely part of a great event and you > can talk to "like minded people." These are people who love aviation, > want a responsive airplane and love the idea of being able to own an > affordable aircraft. > > Is there truth that we were shunned? I don't know, there is truth that > they promised me certain things then didn't schedule it and had to rush > around to deliver something that wasn't what we were promised. Do we > carry a grudge? I've put it behind me and I think other issues are more > prominent today for KR people as outlined above. Will I go back? If I'm > still flying in 2007, you bet I'll be there and try to organize the 35th > anniversary. > > See you at the Gathering. > > Jim Faughn > > -Original Message- > From: krnet-bounces+jfaughn=socket@mylist.net > [mailto:krnet-bounces+jfaughn=socket@mylist.net] On Behalf Of Dan > Heath > Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 6:55 AM > To: kr...@mylist.net > Subject: Re: KR> Oshkosh Attendance > > RE: I've been around KR's for a lot of years and hear this every > Oshkosh year. What I have never heard are the particulars. Was the KR > actually slighted or was it just perceived? Dan, do you know the > issues? > > I was there that year. Bob Muse and I tried to get out of Atlanta, but > the weather formed a solid wall from around Chatanooga, so I flew back > home and got in the car and drove to be at the dinner for the 20th > anniversary. > There was a fly by planned and the KRs were not told untill the last > minute that they were to go. They were being squeezed in, between all > the big money planes. > > We got there in time to hear the announcement that Herb Bull, the person > who did the painting for Jeanette, had crashed of a heart attack during > the f
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Jim wrote "Will I go back? If I'm > still flying in 2007, you bet I'll be there and try to organize the 35th > anniversary." By 2007 with all the new KR coming along we should be able to make a good showing. We should set a goal of having 25 KRs there. If we are not scheduled for a fly-by then we should meet at an airport 50 miles away and all fly in together. Same for Sun-N-Fun. Jack Cooper > [Original Message] > From: Jim Faughn > To: KRnet > Date: 7/30/2004 8:46:52 AM > Subject: RE: KR> Oshkosh Attendance > > This is pretty much what happened although it leaves out the > conversations I had with the EAA months previous that set up a KR only > flyby. We even had conversations about a possible missing man formation > to honor Ken. When we arrived at Oshkosh were not on the schedule. I did > a lot of talking and at the last minute in place of one of the mornings > general flybys we were told we could fly which really did make it a last > minute thing. Whether this did or didn't have anything to do with Herb, > we will never know. However, I still carry this with me because I'm also > the one who set everything up and witnessed the crash. I can say that it > did put a bad taste in everyone's mouth and none of us went back until > 97 when I called a number of the pilots and said let's put it behind us > and go again. It was tough to fly in that year. Of course everyone knows > we did the same thing in 2002 and several of us went last year too. > Quite frankly, I have lots of fun at Oshkosh but it is just a matter of > time off and choosing priorities. I make it an absolute priority for the > KR Gathering. > > Today, I think it is more an issue that there isn't a promotion for the > KR at Oshkosh, other than what Mark and I have done. I believe that > people want to be part of something and if you go to Oshkosh, what are > you part of with the KR? Who do you talk to and ask questions of? If you > go to the Gathering, you are definitely part of a great event and you > can talk to "like minded people." These are people who love aviation, > want a responsive airplane and love the idea of being able to own an > affordable aircraft. > > Is there truth that we were shunned? I don't know, there is truth that > they promised me certain things then didn't schedule it and had to rush > around to deliver something that wasn't what we were promised. Do we > carry a grudge? I've put it behind me and I think other issues are more > prominent today for KR people as outlined above. Will I go back? If I'm > still flying in 2007, you bet I'll be there and try to organize the 35th > anniversary. > > See you at the Gathering. > > Jim Faughn > > -Original Message- > From: krnet-bounces+jfaughn=socket@mylist.net > [mailto:krnet-bounces+jfaughn=socket@mylist.net] On Behalf Of Dan > Heath > Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 6:55 AM > To: kr...@mylist.net > Subject: Re: KR> Oshkosh Attendance > > RE: I've been around KR's for a lot of years and hear this every > Oshkosh year. What I have never heard are the particulars. Was the KR > actually slighted or was it just perceived? Dan, do you know the > issues? > > I was there that year. Bob Muse and I tried to get out of Atlanta, but > the weather formed a solid wall from around Chatanooga, so I flew back > home and got in the car and drove to be at the dinner for the 20th > anniversary. > There was a fly by planned and the KRs were not told untill the last > minute that they were to go. They were being squeezed in, between all > the big money planes. > > We got there in time to hear the announcement that Herb Bull, the person > who did the painting for Jeanette, had crashed of a heart attack during > the fly by. He had to haul his plane in a hurry to get it to where they > had to take off. Maybe he knew he should not fly or not. Maybe all the > extra induced stress because the EAA forgot where there roots are, > brought it on, who knows. > > The bottom line, as I understood it at the time, is that the EAA was too > busy showing off the big money planes, to allow the KR to participate in > an organized fly by as was planned by the KR people. > > This in NOT an excuse, and, on my life's list of things to do, is still > to fly my own plane to Oshkosh. I will fly this plane to Oshkosh and > every other place that I can. > > Marty and Dan Diehl were there along with a lot of the other old timers. > I don't know how many KRs were there, but I do know that they all were > very dissappointed in the EAA and that has stuck with me for over 10 > years and until EAA does something to show tha
KR> Oshkosh Attendance
I don't know if it was an issue or not, but certainly having card carrying formation trained pilots would make it a lot easier to get them to accept a KR formation. I know that a lot of the other RV and other formations are by experienced teams. Now don't slam me. I have no idea if that was a consideration at all and I certainly believe that the KR deserves its fair time in the spotlight. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -Original Message- From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Jim Faughn Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 8:51 AM To: 'KRnet' Subject: RE: KR> Oshkosh Attendance Is there truth that we were shunned? I don't know, there is truth that they promised me certain things then didn't schedule it and had to rush around to deliver something that wasn't what we were promised. Do we carry a grudge? I've put it behind me and I think other issues are more prominent today for KR people as outlined above. Will I go back? If I'm still flying in 2007, you bet I'll be there and try to organize the 35th anniversary. See you at the Gathering. Jim Faughn
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I can see how one might feel slighted by the occasion at Oshkosh. However, I have attached a cut and paste from an email I received from a waivered formation group which performs at Oshkosh and Sun & Fun. I seems the KR crowd is not the only ones who have fallen prey to the huge atmosphere of Oshkosh. I have deleted some parts of this email. Remember, at Oshkosh now any formation particapants must either be certified by the Warbird group or a have a card issued by FFI to fly in the waivered airspace. That is the only way Oshkosh or Sun & Fun will allow any formation flights. Large group flybys appear to be too much for Oshkosh to handle. Individual flybys are still open to factory sponsored demos. They must have the manufacturers backing which certainly would involve more than an OK. As you can see at the bottom of this email, showcase requirement for individual pilots exist. I would feel certain Rand Robinson would have to shoulder a financial responsibility in case of accident. I simply post this as a devil's advocate. Things may appear different to two people. >>In dealing with my contacts at OSH for the Flybys and Showcase, I requested (as we attempted to do last year before the mishap on RWY 09/27) to do the large flybys during the last 15 minutes of Flybys, with XX maneuvering remaining airborne to fly in Showcase. I received a response that XXX is scheduled for Showcase Tues and Thurs, but "Unfortunately, we simply cannot do the large ship formations (during Flybys), since that period of time is very unstable. Many times we have to ask Flybys to let ATC use his time frame for their traffic needs. We were happy to accommodate a large group for 30th Anniversary, but we feel that it just takes too much time to continue on a regular basis." I hope to change their minds on scene, so can you please verify who will be there and fly (FFI card required) from your groups so I can finalize my formation diagrams. We expect all those flying to be at XXX to practice Monday morning before leaving for OSH. Remember, you have to show pilots license, medical, FFI card, and insurance to fly at OSH.< Dana Overall 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host Richmond, KY i39 RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic" Finish kit 13B Rotary. Hangar flying my Dynon. http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero1.jpg http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero3.jpg http://rvflying.tripod.com/blackrudder.jpg do not archive
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Hi gang, I was not aware of the EAA stand on KR's, will you be inviting the media and popular aviation magazines to the gathering ?? Wish I could be there. Best of luck and have a great weekend. Phillip Matheson mathe...@dodo.com.au Australia VH PKR See our engines and kits at. http://www.vw-engines.com/ http://www.homebuilt-aviation.com/ See my KR at Mark Jones web http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/pmkr2.html
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Mark Just got home from osh today about 3:30.Was great finally meeting you and Mark L. and Rich.Was super finally getting to set in a KR especially while it was ruuuning.Sorry my key was "missing out." Just kidding the project looks great looking forward to seeing everyone at the gathering.Bob Original Message - From: "Mark Jones" To: "'KRnet'" Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 9:58 AM Subject: RE: KR> Oshkosh Attendance > Ed, > By golly it is only 55 days. I bet Stephen didn't know that. :-) > > Mark Jones > Mueller Sales Corporation > Ph: 262-781-5310 > Fax:262-781-4130 > E-mail: mjo...@muellersales.com > Web: www.muellersales.com > > > -Original Message- > From: ejans...@chipsnet.com [mailto:ejans...@chipsnet.com] > Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 9:47 AM > To: KRnet > Subject: Re: KR> Oshkosh Attendance > > I echo what Jim says about KR attendance at OSH. I think it's due to a > number of factors rather than just a single one, such as Herb's accident. > As far as the accident, I think I remember that the weather was pretty hot > that day and there was quite a long line of airplanes and a long wait for > guys to get in the air. I remember seeing Herb and a couple others standing > outside next to their planes on the taxi way. So, it's possible that he was > not feeling very well at the time. > > Also, it's been said that many KR builders are pretty hard working > individuals and it may be difficult for some to take off work to attend. > Like the Pietenpol clan and other type fly-ins, the KR group really enjoy > their own gathering - many, even more than Oshkosh. It's often a matter of > choice. > > Let's all hope for good weather. This Gathering at Mt. Vernon should be a > fun one, for sure. Again, how many days left, Mark? :o) > > Ed Janssen > mailto:ejans...@chipsnet.com > > - Original Message - > From: "Jim Faughn" > To: "'KRnet'" > Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 7:50 AM > Subject: RE: KR> Oshkosh Attendance > > > > This is pretty much what happened although it leaves out the > > conversations I had with the EAA months previous that set up a KR only > > flyby. We even had conversations about a possible missing man formation > > to honor Ken. When we arrived at Oshkosh were not on the schedule. I did > > a lot of talking and at the last minute in place of one of the mornings > > general flybys we were told we could fly which really did make it a last > > minute thing. Whether this did or didn't have anything to do with Herb, > > we will never know. However, I still carry this with me because I'm also > > the one who set everything up and witnessed the crash. I can say that it > > did put a bad taste in everyone's mouth and none of us went back until > > 97 when I called a number of the pilots and said let's put it behind us > > and go again. It was tough to fly in that year. Of course everyone knows > > we did the same thing in 2002 and several of us went last year too. > > Quite frankly, I have lots of fun at Oshkosh but it is just a matter of > > time off and choosing priorities. I make it an absolute priority for the > > KR Gathering. > > > > Today, I think it is more an issue that there isn't a promotion for the > > KR at Oshkosh, other than what Mark and I have done. I believe that > > people want to be part of something and if you go to Oshkosh, what are > > you part of with the KR? Who do you talk to and ask questions of? If you > > go to the Gathering, you are definitely part of a great event and you > > can talk to "like minded people." These are people who love aviation, > > want a responsive airplane and love the idea of being able to own an > > affordable aircraft. > > > > Is there truth that we were shunned? I don't know, there is truth that > > they promised me certain things then didn't schedule it and had to rush > > around to deliver something that wasn't what we were promised. Do we > > carry a grudge? I've put it behind me and I think other issues are more > > prominent today for KR people as outlined above. Will I go back? If I'm > > still flying in 2007, you bet I'll be there and try to organize the 35th > > anniversary. > > > > See you at the Gathering. > > > > Jim Faughn > > > > -Original Message- > > From: krnet-bounces+jfaughn=socket@mylist.net > > [mailto:krnet-bounces+jfaughn=socket@mylist.net] On Behalf Of Dan > > Heath > > Sent: Friday, July 30
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Well put Dana. Why am I building a KR? To rove I can do it? No. I love sanding? NO. because it's a highly responsive and unusually affordable plane to build and maintain? Yes. Because I love to flying at any and all opportunities that I can? YOU BET YOUR BUTT. Doug Rupert
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I didn't go into the formation issue because it wasn't one. Remember it is 1992 and Oshkosh wasn't as big. In my discussions with the "fly boss", if we were to fly a formation all they required is the group was to get together a number of times previously and practice the formation before Oshkosh and be able to demonstrate that fact. After talking to the ones I thought would participate, (Steve Alderman, Dan Diehl, Marti, Ken Cottle and myself) it was agreed that since we didn't live close this couldn't happen so I gave that idea up. What was agreed to was a time when just the KR's would fly and it was to be in the early afternoon prior to the airshow with an announcer reading off the information about the KR. When we arrived it wasn't scheduled. Bottom line is there was lots going on ahead of time that wasn't nor is it worth the time to relate again. The formation part wasn't an issue because I took it out of play before the event and before we agreed on what was to happen. 1992 was along time ago and it really is time to move on. Problem with KR attendance is that there isn't a KR booth or any other push for the KR except for what some of us will take out our time to do. Thank you Mark. Jim Faughn 891JF -Original Message- From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net] On Behalf Of Brian Kraut Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 4:55 PM To: KRnet Subject: RE: KR> Oshkosh Attendance I don't know if it was an issue or not, but certainly having card carrying formation trained pilots would make it a lot easier to get them to accept a KR formation. I know that a lot of the other RV and other formations are by experienced teams. Now don't slam me. I have no idea if that was a consideration at all and I certainly believe that the KR deserves its fair time in the spotlight. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -Original Message- From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Jim Faughn Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 8:51 AM To: 'KRnet' Subject: RE: KR> Oshkosh Attendance Is there truth that we were shunned? I don't know, there is truth that they promised me certain things then didn't schedule it and had to rush around to deliver something that wasn't what we were promised. Do we carry a grudge? I've put it behind me and I think other issues are more prominent today for KR people as outlined above. Will I go back? If I'm still flying in 2007, you bet I'll be there and try to organize the 35th anniversary. See you at the Gathering. Jim Faughn ___ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html
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Folks, I just got back from Oshkosh, it's 12:30 in the morning. I was extremely disappointed to miss the only KR-2 that was there. I was really hoping to get some input before I finally start on my project. I know, I will get a hundred responses telling me I should come to the gathering. I don't know about you guys, but my vacation days are rather limited, and I have a family that appreciates it if I spend them with them. I go to Oshkosh to get the maxiumum impression on all the planes that are out there, and to pick up on other building techniques as well. I also go because I usually go with friends from the area, and they are not very interested in going to a type restricted meeting. My friends however were asking me about the apparent absence of KR planes. The only one we saw was the KR-1 on display in the FAA building. Looking at the many complains that are on the net about not enough poeple picking up the KR plans I really wonder what you are asking for. I don't think that you can expect a larger crowd to appreciate this plane, if you show it at "KR-only" gatherings. I don't know about the history with KR's and the EAA, I joined in 1996, and frankly, if I had not picked up last the last edition of Kitplanes Magazine that featured all the kit and plans build aircraft, i wouldn't even know about the existence of the KR. The KR-2 is a heck of a deal, and I bet a lot more enthusiasts would pick up the plans for it. I looked at many kits out there, but there is hardly anything below $ 20K to start with, and some can build 2 KR-2's with that money. I just had to vent this out. Go ahead, flame me, I am off to my bed now anyway. Wolfgang -Original Message- From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net]On Behalf Of robert glidden Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 6:45 PM To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR> Oshkosh Attendance Mark Just got home from osh today about 3:30.Was great finally meeting you and Mark L. and Rich.Was super finally getting to set in a KR especially while it was ruuuning.Sorry my key was "missing out." Just kidding the project looks great looking forward to seeing everyone at the gathering.Bob Original Message - From: "Mark Jones" To: "'KRnet'" Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 9:58 AM Subject: RE: KR> Oshkosh Attendance > Ed, > By golly it is only 55 days. I bet Stephen didn't know that. :-) > > Mark Jones > Mueller Sales Corporation > Ph: 262-781-5310 > Fax:262-781-4130 > E-mail: mjo...@muellersales.com > Web: www.muellersales.com > > > -Original Message----- > From: ejans...@chipsnet.com [mailto:ejans...@chipsnet.com] > Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 9:47 AM > To: KRnet > Subject: Re: KR> Oshkosh Attendance > > I echo what Jim says about KR attendance at OSH. I think it's due to a > number of factors rather than just a single one, such as Herb's accident. > As far as the accident, I think I remember that the weather was pretty hot > that day and there was quite a long line of airplanes and a long wait for > guys to get in the air. I remember seeing Herb and a couple others standing > outside next to their planes on the taxi way. So, it's possible that he was > not feeling very well at the time. > > Also, it's been said that many KR builders are pretty hard working > individuals and it may be difficult for some to take off work to attend. > Like the Pietenpol clan and other type fly-ins, the KR group really enjoy > their own gathering - many, even more than Oshkosh. It's often a matter of > choice. > > Let's all hope for good weather. This Gathering at Mt. Vernon should be a > fun one, for sure. Again, how many days left, Mark? :o) > > Ed Janssen > mailto:ejans...@chipsnet.com > > - Original Message - > From: "Jim Faughn" > To: "'KRnet'" > Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 7:50 AM > Subject: RE: KR> Oshkosh Attendance > > > > This is pretty much what happened although it leaves out the > > conversations I had with the EAA months previous that set up a KR only > > flyby. We even had conversations about a possible missing man formation > > to honor Ken. When we arrived at Oshkosh were not on the schedule. I did > > a lot of talking and at the last minute in place of one of the mornings > > general flybys we were told we could fly which really did make it a last > > minute thing. Whether this did or didn't have anything to do with Herb, > > we will never know. However, I still carry this with me because I'm also > > the one who set everything up and witnessed the crash. I can say that it > > did put a bad taste in everyone's mouth and none of us went back until >
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I attended and it was a great event. For those who did not go because of the reason below, you missed one of the best events ever. Don't let you pride get in the way of making a good decision. You can pickup good buys on equipment new and used. Allot of you have questions about building and this is where you can get real good advice. The forums are an example. Just my observation, KRron - Original Message - From: "Dan Heath" To: Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 4:46 AM Subject: Re: KR> Oshkosh Attendance > As we have been telling you all along, if you want to see KRs, you have to > come to the gathering. The KR got shunned by the EAA at it's 20th > anniversary and I do believe that a lot of the older guy who tried to > participate that year remember it and really don't want to go back. > > Come to the gathering and you will see KRs. > > "There is a time for building and a time for GOING TO THE GATHERING, and the > time for building has long since expired." > See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering http://KRGathering.org > See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics > Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC > > > ---Original Message------- > > From: KRnet > Date: 07/29/04 18:57:13 > To: kr...@mylist.net > Subject: KR> Oshkosh Attendance > > Hi, I just have to throw this out there. I was just shy of making it to > the meeting Tues., very disappointed since I missed it last year also, but > mostly disappointed in the poor, or should I say no attendance of any > aircraft AGAIN, I will make an effort however to be in Illinois > > > > ___ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > . > ___ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > >
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Did you get there in time for Mark Langfords forum on KR's?I got a lot of questions answered staying around after the forum and taking with some of the guys.As for the lack of KR aircraft,it would have been nice to see a few.The next best thing was to drive to Mark Jones house up the road and see his.Even got to set in it while it was running,love that corvair.Now the wife is a little ticked off,I told her atleast one night a week off from building on the house for KR work.You have to start gaining somewhere. Bob Glidden KR2S N181FW Corvair - Original Message - From: "Wolfgang Decker" To: "KRnet" Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2004 11:45 PM Subject: RE: KR> Oshkosh Attendance - Disappointing > Folks, > > I just got back from Oshkosh, it's 12:30 in the morning. I was extremely > disappointed to miss the only KR-2 that was there. I was really hoping to > get some input before I finally start on my project. > > I know, I will get a hundred responses telling me I should come to the > gathering. I don't know about you guys, but my vacation days are rather > limited, and I have a family that appreciates it if I spend them with them. > I go to Oshkosh to get the maxiumum impression on all the planes that are > out there, and to pick up on other building techniques as well. I also go > because I usually go with friends from the area, and they are not very > interested in going to a type restricted meeting. My friends however were > asking me about the apparent absence of KR planes. The only one we saw was > the KR-1 on display in the FAA building. > > Looking at the many complains that are on the net about not enough poeple > picking up the KR plans I really wonder what you are asking for. I don't > think that you can expect a larger crowd to appreciate this plane, if you > show it at "KR-only" gatherings. I don't know about the history with KR's > and the EAA, I joined in 1996, and frankly, if I had not picked up last the > last edition of Kitplanes Magazine that featured all the kit and plans build > aircraft, i wouldn't even know about the existence of the KR. The KR-2 is a > heck of a deal, and I bet a lot more enthusiasts would pick up the plans for > it. I looked at many kits out there, but there is hardly anything below $ > 20K to start with, and some can build 2 KR-2's with that money. > > I just had to vent this out. Go ahead, flame me, I am off to my bed now > anyway. > > Wolfgang > > -Original Message- > From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net]On > Behalf Of robert glidden > Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 6:45 PM > To: KRnet > Subject: Re: KR> Oshkosh Attendance > > > Mark > Just got home from osh today about 3:30.Was great finally meeting you and > Mark L. and Rich.Was super finally getting to set in a KR especially while > it was ruuuning.Sorry my key was "missing out." Just kidding the project > looks great looking forward to seeing everyone at the > gathering.Bob Original Message - > From: "Mark Jones" > To: "'KRnet'" > Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 9:58 AM > Subject: RE: KR> Oshkosh Attendance > > > > Ed, > > By golly it is only 55 days. I bet Stephen didn't know that. :-) > > > > Mark Jones > > Mueller Sales Corporation > > Ph: 262-781-5310 > > Fax:262-781-4130 > > E-mail: mjo...@muellersales.com > > Web: www.muellersales.com > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: ejans...@chipsnet.com [mailto:ejans...@chipsnet.com] > > Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 9:47 AM > > To: KRnet > > Subject: Re: KR> Oshkosh Attendance > > > > I echo what Jim says about KR attendance at OSH. I think it's due to a > > number of factors rather than just a single one, such as Herb's accident. > > As far as the accident, I think I remember that the weather was pretty hot > > that day and there was quite a long line of airplanes and a long wait for > > guys to get in the air. I remember seeing Herb and a couple others > standing > > outside next to their planes on the taxi way. So, it's possible that he > was > > not feeling very well at the time. > > > > Also, it's been said that many KR builders are pretty hard working > > individuals and it may be difficult for some to take off work to attend. > > Like the Pietenpol clan and other type fly-ins, the KR group really enjoy > > their own gathering - many, even more than Oshkosh. It's often a matter > of > > choice. > > > > Let's all hope for good weather. This Gathering at Mt. Vernon s
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Wolfgang wrote: I was extremely disappointed to miss the only KR-2 that was there. I was really hoping to get some input before I finally start on my project. Wolfgang I can really appreciate what you are saying. Before starting my KR ,I went to many flyin's in Australia trying to get info and see what I could build. I only got to see one KR, I wanted to build a Corby Starlet, but found my KR2 my chance. I think the KR should be given more publicity, This mean more airshows and open gatherings .I will be doing my best to do that when I get my KR flying, Including handing out KR pamphlets at the flyins I go to. I think I can make up some flyers to give basic info and web page contacts to anyone interested. Phil Matheson mathe...@dodo.com.au Australia 61 3 58833588 See our VW Engines and home built Parts and Kits at: http://www.vw-engines.com/ www.homebuilt-aviation.com
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Robert Glidden wrote: >Did you get there in time for Mark Langfords forum on KR's?I got a lot of >questions answered staying around after the forum and taking with some of >the guys. Well, as I pointed out in my original mail, I only have limited amount of vacation time. I tried to set up a visit with a customer in the area to gain a day or two, but it didn't work out so I had to stick with the weekend. Therefore I missed the forum as well. All in all it was a great show at Oshkosh. I always love going there, it's like going to "Daddy's Toyland". Although this being the 5th time going it was the first time I attended several of the forum presentations, including Mr. William Wynne's on the Corvair. Very interesting, and I learned a lot. We had a nice group chat at his Zenith after his presentation. The Corvair definitely is one of the engines to look at. Well, now it's back to get the basement done so I really get started. Wolfgang
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Update, my new flight gets in at 1:35, so if it is not a problem or an = inconvenience could i bumb a ride with y'all. Lee Van Dyke Mesa AZ l...@vandyke5.com
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sorry that was not suppose to go to the net lee - Original Message - From: "Lee Van Dyke" To: ; "KRnet" Sent: Monday, August 02, 2004 11:25 PM Subject: Re: KR> Oshkosh Attendance > Update, my new flight gets in at 1:35, so if it is not a problem or an = > inconvenience could i bumb a ride with y'all. > Lee Van Dyke > Mesa AZ > l...@vandyke5.com > > > > ___ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > >
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Bob Glidden wrote: Now the wife is a little ticked off,I told her atleast one night a week off from building on the house for KR work.You have to start gaining somewhere. Bob, I am also renovating my house and told my wife exactly the same thing. Guess who lost the argument? ME. But I just came back from three weeks leave and all I did was work on the house. Still got two doors to paint and then it is really KR time for me. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail
