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How close is the antenna for the radio to the transponder. I would also move the ground wire to a separate log --- Mark Jones wrote: > My panel mount transceiver and transponder with > encoder all work great with very strong signals > reception etc.. However, when I key my mike via a > control stick mounted PTT button, I notice that the > ident light on my transponder will glow brightly > while transmitting. ATC has never said anything > about me identing on the scope when I transmit so I > do not think that is happening. So would anyone have > any insight why I light up my ident button when I > transmit? Thanks > > Mark Jones > Mueller Sales Corp. > 3725 N. 126th Street > Brookfield, WI 53005 > > PH: 262-781-5310 >800-242-2219 > Fax: 262-781-4130 > > Mailto:mjo...@muellersales.com > Web: http://www.muellersales.com > > > > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to > krnet-le...@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at > http://www.krnet.org/info.html > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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Yesterday, I checked all wiring to the transponder and transceiver. All hook ups are correct. I then disconnected the transceiver antenna at the radio and the symptom went away. Hooked it back up and when I transmitted it lit up the ident transmit button. Both the antenna coax cables are run together down the fuselage side to behind the seat where they split up again. I think I may need to run one antenna down one side of the fuselage and the other down the opposite side. The way they are, I feel the transponder coax is picking up the transmit signal of the radio tricking it into lighting up the ident button. . Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI Visit my web site: www.flykr2s.com E-mail: flyk...@wi.rr.com - Original Message - From: "Randy Smith" To: "KRnet" Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2006 7:42 AM Subject: Re: KR> Transceiver Electrical > How close is the antenna for the radio to the > transponder. I would also move the ground wire to a > separate log > > --- Mark Jones wrote: > >> My panel mount transceiver and transponder with >> encoder all work great with very strong signals >> reception etc.. However, when I key my mike via a >> control stick mounted PTT button, I notice that the >> ident light on my transponder will glow brightly >> while transmitting. ATC has never said anything >> about me identing on the scope when I transmit so I >> do not think that is happening. So would anyone have >> any insight why I light up my ident button when I >> transmit? Thanks >> >> Mark Jones >> Mueller Sales Corp. >> 3725 N. 126th Street >> Brookfield, WI 53005 >> >> PH: 262-781-5310 >>800-242-2219 >> Fax: 262-781-4130 >> >> Mailto:mjo...@muellersales.com >> Web: http://www.muellersales.com >> >> >> >> ___ >> Search the KRnet Archives at >> http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >> to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to >> krnet-le...@mylist.net >> please see other KRnet info at >> http://www.krnet.org/info.html >> > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html
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Mark Jones wrote: > The way they are, I feel the transponder coax is > picking up the transmit signal of the radio tricking it into lighting up the > ident button. You probably meant to say that transmitting on the radio sends out enough spurious signals so that it tricks the transponder into sending an ident signal, rather than just turning on the light. I have one coax on one side of the fuselage and one on the other, for that very reason, and it works. I should mention that my tranponder turned up dead one day, and an avionics buddy says it could be due to the fact that I faired the little antenna in with foam and glass, then painted it. He said even a coat of paint could change the characteristics, but foam and fiberglass could conceivable cause real problems, which may be why my transponder croaked. I now have a Bendix blade antenna that I'll put in place when I get the transponder back. Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net --
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Could be, but I have never had ATC say that I am identing when I transmit that is why I am hoping that it simply is lighting the button and not actually identing. But then I have not asked them to check either. Next time I am up, I intend to do that. I was going to do it today but they were way too busy to ask for favors like testing equipment. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI Visit my web site: www.flykr2s.com E-mail: flyk...@wi.rr.com - Original Message - From: "Mark Langford" To: "KRnet" Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2006 1:54 PM Subject: Re: KR> Transceiver Electrical > Mark Jones wrote: > >> The way they are, I feel the transponder coax is >> picking up the transmit signal of the radio tricking it into lighting up > the >> ident button. > > You probably meant to say that transmitting on the radio sends out enough > spurious signals so that it tricks the transponder into sending an ident > signal, rather than just turning on the light. I have one coax on one > side > of the fuselage and one on the other, for that very reason, and it works. > I > should mention that my tranponder turned up dead one day, and an avionics > buddy says it could be due to the fact that I faired the little antenna in > with foam and glass, then painted it. He said even a coat of paint could > change the characteristics, but foam and fiberglass could conceivable > cause > real problems, which may be why my transponder croaked. I now have a > Bendix > blade antenna that I'll put in place when I get the transponder back. > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama > see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net > -- > > > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html
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Mark, I don't know too much about transponders, but I guess the little red light comes off the back of the receiver amplifier, and that it just responds to RF and does not care too much about the frequency. Co-ax cable is very, very good at shielding signal, nothing gets out of those suckers, running the cables close together should not be a problem. So I think it is possibly back to your grounding. Your antentas presumably have ground plains. The antenna shield should be connected to the ground plain, but this ground plain must NOT be connected to the aircraft ground, and it must NOT be connected to your transponder antenna ground plain. If it is, then you have effectively created a single turn transformer, signal on the radio cable inner will induce a signal in the circular path made up of the two outer shields. Quite a heavy current will flow around that loop, and that will induce a signal in the transponder cable inner wire. As these two cables are very well matched, a very large part of your radio signal will end up driving into your transponder. I am not certain, but my guess is that inside the radio, the coax outer does not connected to the low voltage ground, or that would cause a similar problem on metal aircraft. Mark Jones wrote: >Yesterday, I checked all wiring to the transponder and transceiver. All hook >ups are correct. I then disconnected the transceiver antenna at the radio >and the symptom went away. Hooked it back up and when I transmitted it lit >up the ident transmit button. Both the antenna coax cables are run together >down the fuselage side to behind the seat where they split up again. I think >I may need to run one antenna down one side of the fuselage and the other >down the opposite side. The way they are, I feel the transponder coax is >picking up the transmit signal of the radio tricking it into lighting up the >ident button. . > > > >
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Mark wrote: >... I then disconnected the transceiver antenna at the radio > and the symptom went away. Something else could be the trouble and I have not seen that possibility mentioned by others with their excellent replies. The coaxial cable that goes from your transceiver to the radio antenne has a characteristic impedance of 50 Ohm. The antenna must, at the point where it connects to the coaxial cable, also present a 50 Ohm impedance. If not, a portion of the RF energy going to the antenna gets reflected back and couses standing wawes on the shield of the cable which then in turn radiates RF energy. If you could find an Amateur Radio operator who has an impedance bridge, he could check that out very easily. Also, if he happens to have a Grid Dip meter he can check if the transponder is actually transmitting when the light comes on. Good luck finding a Ham so equipped! Louis
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My panel mount transceiver and transponder with encoder all work great with very strong signals reception etc.. However, when I key my mike via a control stick mounted PTT button, I notice that the ident light on my transponder will glow brightly while transmitting. ATC has never said anything about me identing on the scope when I transmit so I do not think that is happening. So would anyone have any insight why I light up my ident button when I transmit? Thanks Mark Jones Mueller Sales Corp. 3725 N. 126th Street Brookfield, WI 53005 PH: 262-781-5310 800-242-2219 Fax: 262-781-4130 Mailto:mjo...@muellersales.com Web: http://www.muellersales.com
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You have probably thought of this but since the push to talk button is nothing more than closing a ground in the circuit I would start by checking to see where it might becoming a common ground through the wiring harness. You might ask the controller next time to make sure it is not identing also. I guess it is possible but I don't see it in my head/ Joe On Thu, 17 Aug 2006 14:52:38 -0500 "Mark Jones" writes: > My panel mount transceiver and transponder with encoder all work > great with very strong signals reception etc.. However, when I key > my mike via a control stick mounted PTT button, I notice that the > ident light on my transponder will glow brightly while transmitting. > ATC has never said anything about me identing on the scope when I > transmit so I do not think that is happening. So would anyone have > any insight why I light up my ident button when I transmit? Thanks > > Mark Jones > Mueller Sales Corp. > 3725 N. 126th Street > Brookfield, WI 53005 > > PH: 262-781-5310 >800-242-2219 > Fax: 262-781-4130 > > Mailto:mjo...@muellersales.com > Web: http://www.muellersales.com > > > > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > Joe Horton, Coopersburg, PA. joe.kr2s.buil...@juno.com
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Shield those wires. Check for ground loop, Virg On Thu, 17 Aug 2006 14:52:38 -0500 "Mark Jones" writes: > My panel mount transceiver and transponder with encoder all work > great with very strong signals reception etc.. However, when I key > my mike via a control stick mounted PTT button, I notice that the > ident light on my transponder will glow brightly while transmitting. > ATC has never said anything about me identing on the scope when I > transmit so I do not think that is happening. So would anyone have > any insight why I light up my ident button when I transmit? Thanks > > Mark Jones > Mueller Sales Corp. > 3725 N. 126th Street > Brookfield, WI 53005 > > PH: 262-781-5310 >800-242-2219 > Fax: 262-781-4130 > > Mailto:mjo...@muellersales.com > Web: http://www.muellersales.com > > > > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > Virgil N. Salisbury - AMSOIL www.lubedealer.com/salisbury Miami ,Fl
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How close is your VHF antenna to the transponder antenna? A harmonic freq might be fooling your transponder into thinking it is being swept by a radar beamjust guessing here. John Martindale 29 Jane Circuit TOORMINA NSW 2452 AUSTRALIA phone: 61 2 66584767 (H) 61 2 66869094 (W) mobile: 0417 584767 email:johnja...@optusnet.com.au web: www.members.optusnet.com.au/johnjanet/Martindale.htm - Original Message - From: "Mark Jones" To: "KR Net (E-mail)" Sent: Friday, August 18, 2006 5:52 AM Subject: KR> Transceiver Electrical > My panel mount transceiver and transponder with encoder all work great > with very strong signals reception etc.. However, when I key my mike via a > control stick mounted PTT button, I notice that the ident light on my > transponder will glow brightly while transmitting. ATC has never said > anything about me identing on the scope when I transmit so I do not think > that is happening. So would anyone have any insight why I light up my > ident button when I transmit? Thanks > > Mark Jones > Mueller Sales Corp. > 3725 N. 126th Street > Brookfield, WI 53005 > > PH: 262-781-5310 > 800-242-2219 > Fax: 262-781-4130 > > Mailto:mjo...@muellersales.com > Web: http://www.muellersales.com > > > > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html
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The VHF is in the vertical fin and the transponder antenna is right behind the seat. Several feet separate them. However, the coax cables parallel each other. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI My Web site: http://www.flykr2s.com/ Mailto:flyk...@wi.rr.com -Original Message- From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Martindale Family Sent: Friday, August 18, 2006 12:54 AM To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR> Transceiver Electrical How close is your VHF antenna to the transponder antenna? A harmonic freq might be fooling your transponder into thinking it is being swept by a radar beamjust guessing here. John Martindale 29 Jane Circuit TOORMINA NSW 2452 AUSTRALIA phone: 61 2 66584767 (H) 61 2 66869094 (W) mobile: 0417 584767 email:johnja...@optusnet.com.au web: www.members.optusnet.com.au/johnjanet/Martindale.htm - Original Message - From: "Mark Jones" To: "KR Net (E-mail)" Sent: Friday, August 18, 2006 5:52 AM Subject: KR> Transceiver Electrical > My panel mount transceiver and transponder with encoder all work great > with very strong signals reception etc.. However, when I key my mike via a > control stick mounted PTT button, I notice that the ident light on my > transponder will glow brightly while transmitting. ATC has never said > anything about me identing on the scope when I transmit so I do not think > that is happening. So would anyone have any insight why I light up my > ident button when I transmit? Thanks > > Mark Jones > Mueller Sales Corp. > 3725 N. 126th Street > Brookfield, WI 53005 > > PH: 262-781-5310 > 800-242-2219 > Fax: 262-781-4130 > > Mailto:mjo...@muellersales.com > Web: http://www.muellersales.com > > > > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ___ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html
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Hi Mark What type of coaxial cable did you use? Transponders usually require double sheilded coax to prevent spurious signals. I also had a problem in my plane when I used a steel bolt to pass the = ground through the firewall, I replaced it with a brass one which solved the problem. Al Hawkins KR2 C-GDPU Port Coquitlam, B.C. Canada =20 http://www3.telus.net/public/a4a19967/index.html -Original Message- From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net] On = Behalf Of Mark Jones Sent: August 18, 2006 6:13 AM To: KRnet Subject: RE: KR> Transceiver Electrical The VHF is in the vertical fin and the transponder antenna is right behind the seat. Several feet separate them. However, the coax cables parallel each other. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI My Web site: http://www.flykr2s.com/ Mailto:flyk...@wi.rr.com -Original Message- From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Martindale Family Sent: Friday, August 18, 2006 12:54 AM To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR> Transceiver Electrical How close is your VHF antenna to the transponder antenna? A harmonic = freq=20 might be fooling your transponder into thinking it is being swept by a = radar beamjust guessing here. John Martindale 29 Jane Circuit TOORMINA NSW 2452 AUSTRALIA phone: 61 2 66584767 (H) 61 2 66869094 (W) mobile: 0417 584767 email:johnja...@optusnet.com.au web: www.members.optusnet.com.au/johnjanet/Martindale.htm - Original Message -=20 From: "Mark Jones" To: "KR Net (E-mail)" Sent: Friday, August 18, 2006 5:52 AM Subject: KR> Transceiver Electrical > My panel mount transceiver and transponder with encoder all work great > with very strong signals reception etc.. However, when I key my mike via a=20 > control stick mounted PTT button, I notice that the ident light on my > transponder will glow brightly while transmitting. ATC has never said=20 > anything about me identing on the scope when I transmit so I do not think=20 > that is happening. So would anyone have any insight why I light up my > ident button when I transmit? Thanks > > Mark Jones > Mueller Sales Corp. > 3725 N. 126th Street > Brookfield, WI 53005 > > PH: 262-781-5310 > 800-242-2219 > Fax: 262-781-4130 > > Mailto:mjo...@muellersales.com > Web: http://www.muellersales.com > > > > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net=20 > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ___ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net = please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ___ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net = please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html --=20 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.2/422 - Release Date: 06-08-17 =20 --=20 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.2/422 - Release Date: 06-08-17 =20
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The transponder has a new factory made coax. I do not know if it is = double shielded or not. I am using a common ground terminal inside the = cockpit for both the transponder and transceiver. =20 Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI My Web site: http://www.flykr2s.com/ Mailto:flyk...@wi.rr.com -Original Message- From: krnet-bounces+flykr2s=3dwi.rr@mylist.net = [mailto:krnet-bounces+flykr2s=3dwi.rr@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Al = Hawkins Sent: Friday, August 18, 2006 9:16 AM To: 'KRnet' Subject: RE: KR> Transceiver Electrical Hi Mark What type of coaxial cable did you use? Transponders usually require double sheilded coax to prevent spurious signals. I also had a problem in my plane when I used a steel bolt to pass the = ground through the firewall, I replaced it with a brass one which solved the problem. Al Hawkins KR2 C-GDPU Port Coquitlam, B.C. Canada =20 http://www3.telus.net/public/a4a19967/index.html -Original Message- From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net] On = Behalf Of Mark Jones Sent: August 18, 2006 6:13 AM To: KRnet Subject: RE: KR> Transceiver Electrical The VHF is in the vertical fin and the transponder antenna is right behind the seat. Several feet separate them. However, the coax cables parallel each other. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI My Web site: http://www.flykr2s.com/ Mailto:flyk...@wi.rr.com -Original Message- From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Martindale Family Sent: Friday, August 18, 2006 12:54 AM To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR> Transceiver Electrical How close is your VHF antenna to the transponder antenna? A harmonic = freq=20 might be fooling your transponder into thinking it is being swept by a = radar beamjust guessing here. John Martindale 29 Jane Circuit TOORMINA NSW 2452 AUSTRALIA phone: 61 2 66584767 (H) 61 2 66869094 (W) mobile: 0417 584767 email:johnja...@optusnet.com.au web: www.members.optusnet.com.au/johnjanet/Martindale.htm - Original Message -=20 From: "Mark Jones" To: "KR Net (E-mail)" Sent: Friday, August 18, 2006 5:52 AM Subject: KR> Transceiver Electrical > My panel mount transceiver and transponder with encoder all work great > with very strong signals reception etc.. However, when I key my mike via a=20 > control stick mounted PTT button, I notice that the ident light on my > transponder will glow brightly while transmitting. ATC has never said=20 > anything about me identing on the scope when I transmit so I do not think=20 > that is happening. So would anyone have any insight why I light up my > ident button when I transmit? Thanks > > Mark Jones > Mueller Sales Corp. > 3725 N. 126th Street > Brookfield, WI 53005 > > PH: 262-781-5310 > 800-242-2219 > Fax: 262-781-4130 > > Mailto:mjo...@muellersales.com > Web: http://www.muellersales.com > > > > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net=20 > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ___ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net = please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ___ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net = please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html --=20 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.2/422 - Release Date: 06-08-17 =20 --=20 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.2/422 - Release Date: 06-08-17 =20
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I have been studying the pin outs and checking everything on my plane for proper wiring and grounding to try and get it done properly. On the transponder pin diagram there is a note that reads "transmission may me suppressed by either grounding pin one or applying a positive voltage to pin 15". Can someone explain what that means? I have not made either connection. Do I need to? Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI Visit my web site: www.flykr2s.com E-mail: flyk...@wi.rr.com
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Typically you supress transmission on a transmitter for a short time when something else needs to receive and a transmission will cause interferrence. You will not need this in your application. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -Original Message- From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Mark Jones Sent: Friday, August 18, 2006 9:30 PM To: KRnet Subject: KR> Transceiver Electrical I have been studying the pin outs and checking everything on my plane for proper wiring and grounding to try and get it done properly. On the transponder pin diagram there is a note that reads "transmission may me suppressed by either grounding pin one or applying a positive voltage to pin 15". Can someone explain what that means? I have not made either connection. Do I need to? Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI Visit my web site: www.flykr2s.com E-mail: flyk...@wi.rr.com ___ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html
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Try it, you might like it, Virg On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 20:29:34 -0500 "Mark Jones" writes: > I have been studying the pin outs and checking everything on my plane > for proper wiring and grounding to try and get it done properly. On > the transponder pin diagram there is a note that reads "transmission > may me suppressed by either grounding pin one or applying a positive > voltage to pin 15". Can someone explain what that means? I have not > made either connection. Do I need to? > > Mark Jones (N886MJ) > Wales, WI > Visit my web site: www.flykr2s.com > E-mail: flyk...@wi.rr.com > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > Virgil N. Salisbury - AMSOIL www.lubedealer.com/salisbury Miami ,Fl