KR> VW 2180 Idle

[Dan Heath]

I have a VW 2180 and Diehl Wing Skins ( float on landing ), with a 52X50
Sterba Prop.   What is the maximum acceptable idle RPM for this
configuration.  I have no drag devices.

See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics 
See you in Mt. Vernon - 2006 - KR Gathering
There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building
is OVER.
Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC

KR> VW 2180 Idle

[Steve Glover]

Dan, are you flying now???

Steve Glover
KR-2 N902G
AJO, Ca
<kr...@cox.net>



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From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net] On
Behalf Of Dan Heath
Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2006 4:09 PM
To: kr...@mylist.net
Subject: KR> VW 2180 Idle


I have a VW 2180 and Diehl Wing Skins ( float on landing ), with a 52X50
Sterba Prop.   What is the maximum acceptable idle RPM for this
configuration.  I have no drag devices.

See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics 
See you in Mt. Vernon - 2006 - KR Gathering
There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for
building is OVER. Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC
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KR> VW 2180 Idle

[Kenneth Wiltrout]

Simple-Idle it down as far as u can without stalling it. My idle 
on the 2100 Revmaster is around 650rpms

Ken Wiltrout
Kutztown, Pa


- Original Message - 
From: "Steve Glover" <kr...@cox.net>
To: "'KRnet'" <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2006 8:07 PM
Subject: RE: KR> VW 2180 Idle


> Dan, are you flying now???
>
> Steve Glover
> KR-2 N902G
> AJO, Ca
> <kr...@cox.net>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net] On
> Behalf Of Dan Heath
> Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2006 4:09 PM
> To: kr...@mylist.net
> Subject: KR> VW 2180 Idle
>
>
> I have a VW 2180 and Diehl Wing Skins ( float on landing ), with a 52X50
> Sterba Prop.   What is the maximum acceptable idle RPM for this
> configuration.  I have no drag devices.
>
> See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics
> See you in Mt. Vernon - 2006 - KR Gathering
> There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for
> building is OVER. Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC
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KR> VW 2180 Idle

[Dan Heath]

Steve,

No, but someone on the net loaned me their Ellison and it looks like it
might work.  I just finished doing all the connections, and I hope, stopping
the oil leaks and plan to do some more adjustments and testing this week. 
That is why I asked the question about the maximum permissible idle RPM for
my configuration.  If it is not still spilling oil all over the place and I
get it idling properly, I should be flying soon.

How about your EZ? 

See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics 
See you in Mt. Vernon - 2006 - KR Gathering
There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building
is OVER.
Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC
---Original Message---

From: Steve Glover
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: 05/07/06 20:07:59
To: 'KRnet'
Subject: RE: KR> VW 2180 Idle

Dan, are you flying now???

Steve Glover
KR-2 N902G
AJO, Ca
<kr...@cox.net>



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Subject: KR> VW 2180 Idle


I have a VW 2180 and Diehl Wing Skins ( float on landing ), with a 52X50
Sterba Prop.   What is the maximum acceptable idle RPM for this
configuration.  I have no drag devices.

See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics
See you in Mt. Vernon - 2006 - KR Gathering
There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for
building is OVER. Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC
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KR> VW 2180 Idle

[Dan Heath]

Thanks, but the question was  What is the maximum acceptable idle RPM
for this configuration. 

See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics 
See you in Mt. Vernon - 2006 - KR Gathering
There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building
is OVER.
Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC
---Original Message---

From: Kenneth Wiltrout
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: 05/07/06 20:29:29
To: KRnet
Subject: Re: KR> VW 2180 Idle

Simple-Idle it down as far as u can without stalling it. My idle
on the 2100 Revmaster is around 650rpms

KR> VW 2180 Idle

[larry severson]

>If it is not still spilling oil all over the place and I
>get it idling properly, I should be flying soon.

If it is blowing oil, the oil pressure is probably to high.


Larry Severson
Fountain Valley, CA 92708
(714) 968-9852
lar...@socal.rr.com 

KR> VW 2180 Idle

[Joseph H. Horton]

Dan,
I know that mine is not the same as yours but I had turned idle
up a couple weeks ago to about 800 maybe 825 and it was to much for my
plane with flaps. I have it turned back to 750 rpm now and would like to
get it slightly less. My guess for you would be 750 max considering the
cleanness of your airframe and no nose gear to help slow you down.
Joe
On Sun, 7 May 2006 22:08:15 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) "Dan Heath"
 writes:
> Thanks, but the question was  What is the maximum acceptable idle 
> RPM
> for this configuration. 
>  

KR> VW 2180 Idle

[Kenneth Wiltrout]

For me it still is 650 rpm's-The KR is so slippery that 
anything other than windmilling is unacceptable unless you land at JFK 
routinely.

Ken Wiltrout
Kutztown,Pa




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From: "Dan Heath" <da...@alltel.net>
To: <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2006 10:08 PM
Subject: Re: KR> VW 2180 Idle


> Thanks, but the question was  What is the maximum acceptable idle RPM
> for this configuration.
>
> See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics
> See you in Mt. Vernon - 2006 - KR Gathering
> There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for 
> building
> is OVER.
> Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC
> ---Original Message---
>
> From: Kenneth Wiltrout
> Date: 05/07/06 20:29:29
> To: KRnet
> Subject: Re: KR> VW 2180 Idle
>
> Simple-Idle it down as far as u can without stalling it. My 
> idle
> on the 2100 Revmaster is around 650rpms
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KR> VW 2180 Idle

[bo...@hatconversions.com]

Guys,
 Two different guys brought Kitfoxes to me in Fla because they said
they were really prone to ground loop. The one guy had tore up a wing
tip. I checked all the usual suspects, wheel alignment, etc, and when
I couldn't find a problem, I finally flew both of them. They both had
Rotax 912's in them that wouldn't idle slow. When you landed you were
trying to overcome the additional power with the brakes, and had
trouble keeping the tail down with the brakes and the additional
airflow under the tailIdeal set up to either get it up on its
nose or have a groundloop.
 In my opinion, I would idle them as low as it can go before take off.
On final with the prop windmilling, it's not going to quit anyway.  
Bobby







> For me it still is 650 rpm's-The KR is so slippery that
> anything other than windmilling is unacceptable unless you land at JFK
> routinely.
>
> Ken Wiltrout
> Kutztown,Pa
>
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Dan Heath" <da...@alltel.net>
> To: <kr...@mylist.net>
> Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2006 10:08 PM
> Subject: Re: KR> VW 2180 Idle
>
>
>> Thanks, but the question was  What is the maximum acceptable idle
>> RPM
>> for this configuration.
>>
>> See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics
>> See you in Mt. Vernon - 2006 - KR Gathering
>> There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for
>> building
>> is OVER.
>> Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC
>> ---Original Message---
>>
>> From: Kenneth Wiltrout
>> Date: 05/07/06 20:29:29
>> To: KRnet
>> Subject: Re: KR> VW 2180 Idle
>>
>> Simple-Idle it down as far as u can without stalling it. My
>> idle
>> on the 2100 Revmaster is around 650rpms
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KR> VW 2180 Idle

[Barry Kruyssen]

I agree with Bobby in that the idle speed may contribute to ground loops.

My Jabiru is supposed to idle at 1000 rpm which caused an excessively long
roll out after touch down. I backed the idle down to 800 rpm and reduced my
ground roll by about 200 feet.  A soft rubber stop holds it at 1000 rpm and
if I pull back hard on the throttle it comes back to 800 rpm.

On May 1st 2006 I took my brother in law for ride. After an hour or so, 5
miles out he says that he needs to get on the ground ASAP as he is feeling
woozy. Then on short finals he starts loosing his breakfast into my hat (I
gave him my hat when turning finals). On roll out I ground looped at about
20 kph. My concentration was else where and I may not have pulled the
throttle back the extra 200 rpm which may have contributed to my ground
looping.  Bent the tail wheel assembly and cracked one wheel faring. Back in
the air last weekend.

I may now look at my idle setup as I don't want to do that again. Maybe the
rubber block idea was not such a good idea.

Just sharing my thoughts.
Regards
Barry Kruyssen
Cairns, Australia
k...@bigpond.com
http://www.users.bigpond.com/kr2/kr2.htm



-Original Message-
From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net] On Behalf
Of bo...@hatconversions.com
Sent: Tuesday, 9 May 2006 11:36 AM
To: KRnet
Subject: Re: KR> VW 2180 Idle

Guys,
 Two different guys brought Kitfoxes to me in Fla because they said they
were really prone to ground loop. The one guy had tore up a wing tip. I
checked all the usual suspects, wheel alignment, etc, and when I couldn't
find a problem, I finally flew both of them. They both had Rotax 912's in
them that wouldn't idle slow. When you landed you were trying to overcome
the additional power with the brakes, and had trouble keeping the tail down
with the brakes and the additional airflow under the tailIdeal set up to
either get it up on its nose or have a groundloop.
 In my opinion, I would idle them as low as it can go before take off.
On final with the prop windmilling, it's not going to quit anyway.  
Bobby

KR> VW 2180 Idle

[D F Lively]

Netters:

Ah yes it always seems to be the little unexpected things that bite you in the
hind parts.

Don

Barry Kruyssen wrote:

> I agree with Bobby in that the idle speed may contribute to ground loops.
>
> My Jabiru is supposed to idle at 1000 rpm which caused an excessively long
> roll out after touch down. I backed the idle down to 800 rpm and reduced my
> ground roll by about 200 feet.  A soft rubber stop holds it at 1000 rpm and
> if I pull back hard on the throttle it comes back to 800 rpm.
>
> On May 1st 2006 I took my brother in law for ride. After an hour or so, 5
> miles out he says that he needs to get on the ground ASAP as he is feeling
> woozy. Then on short finals he starts loosing his breakfast into my hat (I
> gave him my hat when turning finals). On roll out I ground looped at about
> 20 kph. My concentration was else where and I may not have pulled the
> throttle back the extra 200 rpm which may have contributed to my ground
> looping.  Bent the tail wheel assembly and cracked one wheel faring. Back in
> the air last weekend.
>
> I may now look at my idle setup as I don't want to do that again. Maybe the
> rubber block idea was not such a good idea.
>
> Just sharing my thoughts.
> Regards
> Barry Kruyssen
> Cairns, Australia
> k...@bigpond.com
> http://www.users.bigpond.com/kr2/kr2.htm
>
> -Original Message-
> From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net] On Behalf
> Of bo...@hatconversions.com
> Sent: Tuesday, 9 May 2006 11:36 AM
> To: KRnet
> Subject: Re: KR> VW 2180 Idle
>
> Guys,
>  Two different guys brought Kitfoxes to me in Fla because they said they
> were really prone to ground loop. The one guy had tore up a wing tip. I
> checked all the usual suspects, wheel alignment, etc, and when I couldn't
> find a problem, I finally flew both of them. They both had Rotax 912's in
> them that wouldn't idle slow. When you landed you were trying to overcome
> the additional power with the brakes, and had trouble keeping the tail down
> with the brakes and the additional airflow under the tailIdeal set up to
> either get it up on its nose or have a groundloop.
>  In my opinion, I would idle them as low as it can go before take off.
> On final with the prop windmilling, it's not going to quit anyway.
> Bobby
>
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KR> VW 2180 Idle

[Phil Matheson]

That's the good thing with my RG2000 gear reduction .My reduction is 1.6:1
so prop spins slower than the engine.
engine 4000 rpm  Prop = 2500rpm
engine  650 rpm   Prop = 406.25rpm

Phil Matheson
mathes...@dodo.com.au
New Web Page :  
http://www.philskr2.50megs.com/
VH-PKR  ( Phil's KR)
61 3 58833588
Australia.( Down Under)
See My KR2 Building Web Page at:
OLD WEB: http://mywebpage.netscape.com/flyingkrphil/VHPKR.html
See our VW Engines and Home built web page at
http://www.vw-engines.com/
www.homebuilt-aviation.com/

KR> VW 2180 Idle

[Barry Kruyssen]

Reduction drives are great, increase torque and decrease revs, pitty they
don't make them for my Jabiru :-(

Regards
Barry Kruyssen
Cairns, Australia
k...@bigpond.com
http://www.users.bigpond.com/kr2/kr2.htm


-Original Message-
From: krnet-bounces+kr2=bigpond@mylist.net
[mailto:krnet-bounces+kr2=bigpond@mylist.net] On Behalf Of Phil Matheson
Sent: Tuesday, 9 May 2006 1:53 PM
To: KRnet
Subject: Re: KR> VW 2180 Idle

That's the good thing with my RG2000 gear reduction .My reduction is 1.6:1
so prop spins slower than the engine.
engine 4000 rpm  Prop = 2500rpm
engine  650 rpm   Prop = 406.25rpm

Phil Matheson
mathes...@dodo.com.au
New Web Page :  
http://www.philskr2.50megs.com/
VH-PKR  ( Phil's KR)
61 3 58833588
Australia.( Down Under)
See My KR2 Building Web Page at:
OLD WEB: http://mywebpage.netscape.com/flyingkrphil/VHPKR.html
See our VW Engines and Home built web page at http://www.vw-engines.com/
www.homebuilt-aviation.com/