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Still have any spare WAFs? On Sat, Aug 1, 2015 at 12:20 PM, brian.kraut--- via KRnet < krnet at list.krnet.org> wrote: > I have at least one set, possibly two and at least one complete set of > all of the nuts and bolts they use. I will post them here when I have a > chance to dig them out and see exactly what I have. > > > Original Message > Subject: KR> WAFs for sale > From: Adam Tippin via KRnet > Date: Sat, August 01, 2015 2:48 am > To: KRnet > Cc: Adam Tippin > > Does any one have an affordable set of WAFs they are willing to part > with, > before I start the task of making them my self? > > > > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. > To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to > change options > > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. > To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change > options >
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Bill could ?you email me off the krnet thanks tom On Thursday, September 17, 2015 7:37 AM, ol' weirdo via KRnet wrote: Thanks to those who told me where to fin the drawings for the WAFs. We are in process. Bill Weir ___ Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change options
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Thanks to those who told me where to fin the drawings for the WAFs. We are in process. Bill Weir
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I have A unused set I gave $100 for, yours for that plus postage. Contact me off net pshows at bayspringstel.net. IHS PaTS Seminary MS > On Aug 1, 2015, at 04:48, Adam Tippin via KRnet > wrote: > > Does any one have an affordable set of WAFs they are willing to part with, > before I start the task of making them my self? > > > > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. > To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change > options >
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I have at least one set, possibly two and at least one complete set of all of the nuts and bolts they use. I will post them here when I have a chance to dig them out and see exactly what I have. Original Message Subject: KR> WAFs for sale From: Adam Tippin via KRnet List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org Date: Sat, August 01, 2015 2:48 am To: KRnet Cc: Adam Tippin Does any one have an affordable set of WAFs they are willing to part with, before I start the task of making them my self? ___ Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change options
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Does any one have an affordable set of WAFs they are willing to part with, before I start the task of making them my self?
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Adam,If you end up making your own like I did. You can start by calling Wicks Aircraft and ask for Keith and mention me from Bellevelle. If you buy ?the piece of normalized 4130 steel. He will cut it down into the three sizes you need. You end up with vary little scrap.?My son might still have the the C an C program for the holes that I used. You can take that to a machine shop. I wouldn't try to drill the lightning holes your self. Paul ViskBelleville Il618-406-4705? Does any one have an affordable set of WAFs they are willing to part with, before I start the task of making them my self? Sent from my Sprint Samsung Galaxy S? 6.
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Paul Visk wrote: > I'm using the AS5048 wing. Looking at the drawing, both are 2.16" on the > front spar. I looked at the AS5046 drawing earlier this morning, and it didn't have spar dimensions, so I assumed the AS5048 didn't either. They do. They are both labeled as 2.16", just for information, I suppose, and you are correct, that ain't right! Yes, I should know, since I made those drawings, but that a long time ago, and was quite an ordeal getting all the geometry right... I had to do it many times to get it right. It's not as easy as it looks! I don't see where I called out a center and an outer template...my thinking was to simply use the same template for both places, two on each side for the center section, and one on the large-chord end for the outer wings. And that's exactly how I made mine. I didn't think to change the spars, and even if it did occur to me, I'm not sure I'd have gone to the trouble, given that I already had one done that was "good enough for KR work". Looking at KR2S drawing W1 (a D-size drawing), the spars clearly nest. The drawings (KR2 manual pages 19 and 21) show spar cap dimensions as 2-5/32" and 1-15/16". The difference is .21875", an appreciable gap, but not really enough to fit two 1/8" thick WAFs in! Of course there are also two layers of 3.5mm plywood facing in the mix, but that's not going to change the weird number. Go figure. I looked back at an early picture I made of that period of my construction, hoping to see a picture that would explain it, but no joy there. The photo was made in 1997, over 16 years ago. Hopefully I'll be forgiven for not remembering the little details, but my guess is I could also see that it wasn't going to add up, and simply cut the spars to fit properly... Mark Langford ML at N56ML.com website at http://www.N56ML.com
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- Original Message - From: "Christopher Pryce" To: "KRnet" Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2012 5:05 PM Subject: RE: KR> WAFs I could use a good set of WAFs too if there are any left. Chris Pryce Columbus, MS On Nov 25, 2012 2:09 PM, "Dan Heath" wrote: > Hey, I found a couple more that go with that set. If you want them, I > will > take them off the old spars and be sure that you get them. > > See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics > See you at the 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il ? MVN > Bad Weather at Gathering time, is a killer or a real bummer. > Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC > > > > -Original Message- > From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net] On Behalf > Of Pat and Robin Russo > Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2012 10:31 AM > To: KRnet > Subject: Re: KR> Hexcel Adhesive. > > > > Will the fellow who is looking for WAF's contact me at > ...patru...@myfairpoint.net I seem to have lost your address. I put in a > similar request on the net last year and received 2 sets...freely given. > They are yours for the postage to mail and the thanks should go to Dan > Heath...the original owner!! > Pat Russo > > > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. > To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net please > see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. > To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net please > see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. > To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ___ Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2793 / Virus Database: 2614/5918 - Release Date: 11/25/12
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Boy am I confused! Who is sending what to whom? Dan, I have been waiting for you to send me those missing pieces at/to; Pat Russo 1062 South Rd, Bradford, VT 05033. I will then send the second pair I have to Gary???where?? Pat -Original Message- From: Christopher Pryce Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2012 5:05 PM To: KRnet Subject: RE: KR> WAFs I could use a good set of WAFs too if there are any left. Chris Pryce Columbus, MS On Nov 25, 2012 2:09 PM, "Dan Heath" wrote: > Hey, I found a couple more that go with that set. If you want them, I > will > take them off the old spars and be sure that you get them. > > See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics > See you at the 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il ? MVN > Bad Weather at Gathering time, is a killer or a real bummer. > Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC > > > > -Original Message- > From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net] On Behalf > Of Pat and Robin Russo > Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2012 10:31 AM > To: KRnet > Subject: Re: KR> Hexcel Adhesive. > > > > Will the fellow who is looking for WAF's contact me at > ...patru...@myfairpoint.net I seem to have lost your address. I put in a > similar request on the net last year and received 2 sets...freely given. > They are yours for the postage to mail and the thanks should go to Dan > Heath...the original owner!! > Pat Russo > > > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. > To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net please > see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. > To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net please > see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. > To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ___ Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html
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Chris, I have odds and ends of sets coming at me so when I will surely end up with more than I need. When the dust settles I will send the rest to you and you can use what you need and forward the rest to the next person. How is that for a deal??? Gary N49GR - Original Message - From: "Christopher Pryce" To: "KRnet" Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2012 5:05 PM Subject: RE: KR> WAFs I could use a good set of WAFs too if there are any left. Chris Pryce Columbus, MS On Nov 25, 2012 2:09 PM, "Dan Heath" wrote: > Hey, I found a couple more that go with that set. If you want them, I > will > take them off the old spars and be sure that you get them. > > See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics > See you at the 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il ? MVN > Bad Weather at Gathering time, is a killer or a real bummer. > Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC > > > > -Original Message- > From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net] On Behalf > Of Pat and Robin Russo > Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2012 10:31 AM > To: KRnet > Subject: Re: KR> Hexcel Adhesive. > > > > Will the fellow who is looking for WAF's contact me at > ...patru...@myfairpoint.net I seem to have lost your address. I put in a > similar request on the net last year and received 2 sets...freely given. > They are yours for the postage to mail and the thanks should go to Dan > Heath...the original owner!! > Pat Russo > > > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. > To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net please > see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. > To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net please > see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. > To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ___ Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2793 / Virus Database: 2614/5918 - Release Date: 11/25/12
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I could use a good set of WAFs too if there are any left. Chris Pryce Columbus, MS On Nov 25, 2012 2:09 PM, "Dan Heath" wrote: > Hey, I found a couple more that go with that set. If you want them, I will > take them off the old spars and be sure that you get them. > > See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics > See you at the 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il ? MVN > Bad Weather at Gathering time, is a killer or a real bummer. > Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC > > > > -Original Message- > From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net] On Behalf > Of Pat and Robin Russo > Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2012 10:31 AM > To: KRnet > Subject: Re: KR> Hexcel Adhesive. > > > > Will the fellow who is looking for WAF's contact me at > ...patru...@myfairpoint.net I seem to have lost your address. I put in a > similar request on the net last year and received 2 sets...freely given. > They are yours for the postage to mail and the thanks should go to Dan > Heath...the original owner!! > Pat Russo > > > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. > To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net please > see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. > To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net please > see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. > To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html >
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I have to agree with Don Reid if I understand this thread correctly. My take on it is that the original design has 4 bolts per attach point for a total of 8 per wing side. If this is the way yall (sorry) are doing it, I will YELL hold on! I have been doing the wing attach thing with 4 bolts total per side since I bought mine because the original builder set it up this way. In addition, my spar is carried ALL the way thru the WAFs so that all 4 of my bolts pass thru the WAF AND the spar (WAF spar WAF). The ends of my spars of the stub wing touch the ends of the wing section spars by butting together. I really trust mine, and my DAR agreed that it is the strongest he has seen on a KR2. I have taken my wings off 4 times and will install new AN bolts front and rear for this next install, just on principal. And if I dont understand it, I hope you understand how mine is anyway, LOL Saw a Robinson R44 giving rides today, WHEW! What a scary sight watching that thing fly in the wind! Colin N96TA
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Netters, I should start rebuilding my KR2 tomorrow. One of the tasks is to put the WAFs back in place, with new bolts and locknuts. Questions: 1 - How much torque must I apply to the nuts for front and rear WAFs? 2 - Can I put some sort of lubricant on the bolts to help them slip in the holes? (And maybe help to seal the wood) Serge Vidal KR2 "Kilimanjaro Cloud" Paris, France
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Serge Tighten the bolts only to the point before squashing the wood. I put Epoxy in the bolt holes, then inserted & tighten the bolts. Phillip Matheson 0408665880 (cell) VHPKR Australia. mathes...@dodo.com.au NEW WEB PAGE www.philskr2.50megs.com http://www.vw-engines.com/ OLD WEB PAGE http://mywebpage.netscape.com/flyingkrphil/VHPKR.html
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Serge- The idea is to just get the bolts snug, the pine will just start to crush if you over do it, i'm not aware of a torque. I put a flox mix on the bolts before sliding them in to take up any clearance that may have existed-yes they are in for the long haul. Kenny Wiltrout Kutztown, Pa - Original Message - From: "Serge VIDAL" To: "KRnet" Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2006 4:28 PM Subject: KR> WAFs > Netters, > > I should start rebuilding my KR2 tomorrow. One of the tasks is to put the > WAFs back in place, with new bolts and locknuts. > > Questions: > > 1 - How much torque must I apply to the nuts for front and rear WAFs? > > 2 - Can I put some sort of lubricant on the bolts to help them slip in the > holes? (And maybe help to seal the wood) > > Serge Vidal > KR2 "Kilimanjaro Cloud" > Paris, France > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.1/355 - Release Date: 6/2/2006 > >
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It certainly is not necessary to epoxy in the bolts and you may regret it ten years from now if you buggered up an attach fitting while putting the plane on a trailer or something. As far as a lubricant, I don't think you need one, but if you did maybe a wax? Wood furniture polish maybe? Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -Original Message- From: krnet-bounces+brian.kraut=engalt@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces+brian.kraut=engalt@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Kenneth Wiltrout Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 3:16 PM To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR> WAFs Serge- The idea is to just get the bolts snug, the pine will just start to crush if you over do it, i'm not aware of a torque. I put a flox mix on the bolts before sliding them in to take up any clearance that may have existed-yes they are in for the long haul. Kenny Wiltrout Kutztown, Pa - Original Message - From: "Serge VIDAL" To: "KRnet" Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2006 4:28 PM Subject: KR> WAFs > Netters, > > I should start rebuilding my KR2 tomorrow. One of the tasks is to put the > WAFs back in place, with new bolts and locknuts. > > Questions: > > 1 - How much torque must I apply to the nuts for front and rear WAFs? > > 2 - Can I put some sort of lubricant on the bolts to help them slip in the > holes? (And maybe help to seal the wood) > > Serge Vidal > KR2 "Kilimanjaro Cloud" > Paris, France > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.1/355 - Release Date: 6/2/2006 > > ___ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html
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Serge, I would squirt epoxy in the holes before inserting the bolts "and" coat the bolts with epoxy. If you only coat the bolts and the holes are snug a lot of the epoxy will be striped off while the bolt is intering the holes and not coat the wood surface in the holes. I didn't just tap the bolts but used a nut driver attached to my portable drill and ran the bolts in while spinning slowing with my drill to help distruibte the epoxy evenly. Mike Turner Jackson Mo - Original Message - From: "Kenneth Wiltrout" To: "KRnet" Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 2:16 PM Subject: Re: KR> WAFs > Serge- The idea is to just get the bolts snug, the pine will just > start > to crush if you over do it, i'm not aware of a torque. I put a flox mix on > the bolts before sliding them in to take up any clearance that may have > existed-yes they are in for the long haul. > Kenny Wiltrout > Kutztown, Pa > > > > > - Original Message - > From: "Serge VIDAL" > To: "KRnet" > Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2006 4:28 PM > Subject: KR> WAFs >> 2 - Can I put some sort of lubricant on the bolts to help them slip in >> the >> holes? (And maybe help to seal the wood)
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Designing an airplane is a lot like designing a chain, but more repetitive. The goal is to have ALL of the parts equally strong. What is there about the WAFs that suggests they are a weak link? Ron Freiberger mail to ronandmar...@earthlink.net
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.nothing...as designed and implemented There has been tons of email and discussions about them, but I cannot remember one negative... My .02 cents worth; keep on keeping on, On 12/5/05, Ron Freiberger wrote: > > Designing an airplane is a lot like designing a chain, but more > repetitive. The goal is to have ALL of the parts equally strong. What > is there about the WAFs that suggests they are a weak link? > > Ron Freiberger > mail to ronandmar...@earthlink.net > > > > > > > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > -- Jerry Mahurin - aka - KRJerry EAA# 0034283 Lugoff, SC 29078
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Ron Whilst I have no problem with the original design of the WAFS used in both the KR2 and KR2S. The PFA (our EAA) have stipulated a mandatory modified WAF arrangement for the KR2s which I mentioned on the net a couple of months back which has doubled 16g heat treated s515 plates as well as exrta AN4 bolts through ally bushes thro the spars (I can send you a drawing if you like). Thier justification for it is that the increased stresses induced by the increased dimensions of the KR2S push the KR2 WAF design too close to the limit. I am inclined to say "if it aint broke why fix it?", but this is what we have to put up with over here. Peter Drake Hereford UK - Original Message - From: "Ron Freiberger" To: "'KRnet'" Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 5:51 PM Subject: KR> WAFs revisited > Designing an airplane is a lot like designing a chain, but more > repetitive. The goal is to have ALL of the parts equally strong. What > is there about the WAFs that suggests they are a weak link? > > Ron Freiberger > mail to ronandmar...@earthlink.net > > > > > > > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > --- > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.12/192 - Release Date: > 05/12/2005 > > ---
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So I was thinking of drilling all the WAF holes and coating the surface with aeropoxy, also the bolts (not the threads) and assembling while uncured. This would cement the WAF to the spar. Is there anything wrong with this method? Ron Smith Kr2ssxl Cypress Ca U.S.A. mercedesm...@yahoo.com http://ronsmith.myphotoalbum.com/albums.php - Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click.
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Sounds good to me. From: Ron Smith List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org Date: 2005/10/31 Mon AM 11:14:34 CST To: "kr...@mylist.net" Subject: KR> WAFS further So I was thinking of drilling all the WAF holes and coating the surface with aeropoxy, also the bolts (not the threads) and assembling while uncured. This would cement the WAF to the spar. Is there anything wrong with this method? Ron Smith Kr2ssxl Cypress Ca U.S.A. mercedesm...@yahoo.com http://ronsmith.myphotoalbum.com/albums.php - Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. ___ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html
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Anyone ever damaged a WAF and needed to replace it? That's the only reason I can think cementing might not be a good idea. -Original Message- From: krnet-bounces+jim=manufacturingconcepts@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces+jim=manufacturingconcepts@mylist.net] On Behalf Of da...@alltel.net Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 12:21 PM To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR> WAFS further Sounds good to me. From: Ron Smith List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org Date: 2005/10/31 Mon AM 11:14:34 CST To: "kr...@mylist.net" Subject: KR> WAFS further So I was thinking of drilling all the WAF holes and coating the surface with aeropoxy, also the bolts (not the threads) and assembling while uncured. This would cement the WAF to the spar. Is there anything wrong with this method? Ron Smith Kr2ssxl Cypress Ca U.S.A. mercedesm...@yahoo.com http://ronsmith.myphotoalbum.com/albums.php - Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. ___ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ___ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html
KR> WAFS further
I'll bet it would just pop right off. Putting on the WAF before the resin cures will insure a smooth even fit. However, I am sure that your results will vary. From: "Jim Payne" List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org Date: 2005/10/31 Mon AM 11:40:03 CST To: "'KRnet'" Subject: RE: KR> WAFS further Anyone ever damaged a WAF and needed to replace it? That's the only reason I can think cementing might not be a good idea. -Original Message- From: krnet-bounces+jim=manufacturingconcepts@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces+jim=manufacturingconcepts@mylist.net] On Behalf Of da...@alltel.net Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 12:21 PM To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR> WAFS further Sounds good to me. From: Ron Smith List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org Date: 2005/10/31 Mon AM 11:14:34 CST To: "kr...@mylist.net" Subject: KR> WAFS further So I was thinking of drilling all the WAF holes and coating the surface with aeropoxy, also the bolts (not the threads) and assembling while uncured. This would cement the WAF to the spar. Is there anything wrong with this method? Ron Smith Kr2ssxl Cypress Ca U.S.A. mercedesm...@yahoo.com http://ronsmith.myphotoalbum.com/albums.php - Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. ___ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ___ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ___ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html
KR> WAFS further
A damaged WAF would also result in a damaged spar, Rebuild, Virg On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 12:40:03 -0500 "Jim Payne" writes: > Anyone ever damaged a WAF and needed to replace it? That's the only > reason I > can think cementing might not be a good idea. > > -Original Message- > From: krnet-bounces+jim=manufacturingconcepts@mylist.net > [mailto:krnet-bounces+jim=manufacturingconcepts@mylist.net] On > Behalf Of > da...@alltel.net > Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 12:21 PM > To: KRnet > Subject: Re: KR> WAFS further > > Sounds good to me. > From: Ron Smith > Date: 2005/10/31 Mon AM 11:14:34 CST > To: "kr...@mylist.net" > Subject: KR> WAFS further > > So I was thinking of drilling all the WAF holes and coating the > surface with > aeropoxy, also the bolts (not the threads) and assembling while > uncured. > This would cement the WAF to the spar. > > Is there anything wrong with this method? > > > Ron Smith > Kr2ssxl > Cypress Ca U.S.A. > mercedesm...@yahoo.com > http://ronsmith.myphotoalbum.com/albums.php > > - > Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > Virgil N. Salisbury - AMSOIL www.lubedealer.com/salisbury Miami ,Fl
KR> WAFS further
No, Virg On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 09:14:34 -0800 (PST) Ron Smith writes: > So I was thinking of drilling all the WAF holes and coating the > surface with aeropoxy, also the bolts (not the threads) and > assembling while uncured. This would cement the WAF to the spar. > > Is there anything wrong with this method? > > > Ron Smith > Kr2ssxl > Cypress Ca U.S.A. > mercedesm...@yahoo.com > http://ronsmith.myphotoalbum.com/albums.php > > - > Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > Virgil N. Salisbury - AMSOIL www.lubedealer.com/salisbury Miami ,Fl
KR> WAFs
Can anybody tell me what I should paint or treat the WAFs on my KR2s with? Also (the plans are so faded I can hardly read them!) What thickness ply is the outboard rib, the one before the extension begins. Thanks Peter Drake Hereford UK
KR> WAFs/Outboard ribs.
To Peter Drake You asked:"What thickness ply is the outboard rib, the one before the extension begins?.. I presume you mean the rib that straddles the wing attach fitting on the center spars.The answer is 3/32 of an inch. (Hope you still remember "inches"!) As far as the painting of the WAF's there is tons of information in the archives.In my case I am thinking about zinc chromate but there are as many answers to your question as there are KR-2's. Regards, Louis Staalberg Payson, Arizona n...@cbiwireless.com
KR> WAFs/Outboard ribs.
Louis Sorry I meant the 33" Rib 12" in from the tip. We still use feet & inches here, younger people talk in metric but think in imperial. I am a lumber merchant and all our sizes are imperial converted into metric! We even use metric feet (30cm) Its only them the other side of the Channel that only use metric eh Serge? Peter - Original Message - From: "Louis Staalberg" To: "KRnet" Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 4:55 AM Subject: Re: KR> WAFs/Outboard ribs. > To Peter Drake > > You asked:"What thickness ply is the outboard rib, the one before > the extension begins?.. > I presume you mean the rib that straddles the wing > attach fitting on the center spars.The answer is > 3/32 of an inch. (Hope you still remember "inches"!) > As far as the painting of the WAF's there is tons of > information in the archives.In my case I am thinking about > zinc chromate but there are as many answers to your > question as there are KR-2's. > > Regards, > > > Louis Staalberg > Payson, Arizona > n...@cbiwireless.com > > > > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > --- > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.6.6 - Release Date: 08/06/2005 > >
KR> WAFs/Outboard ribs.
Louis Sorry I meant the 33" Rib, 12" in from the tip. We still use feet & inches here, younger people talk in metric but think in imperial. All our lumber sizes are imperial converted into metric! We even use metric feet (30cm) Peter - Original Message - From: "Louis Staalberg" To: "KRnet" Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 4:55 AM Subject: Re: KR> WAFs/Outboard ribs. > To Peter Drake > > You asked:"What thickness ply is the outboard rib, the one before > the extension begins?.. > I presume you mean the rib that straddles the wing > attach fitting on the center spars.The answer is > 3/32 of an inch. (Hope you still remember "inches"!) > As far as the painting of the WAF's there is tons of > information in the archives.In my case I am thinking about > zinc chromate but there are as many answers to your > question as there are KR-2's. > > Regards, > > > Louis Staalberg > Payson, Arizona > n...@cbiwireless.com > > > > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > --- > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.6.6 - Release Date: 08/06/2005 > >
KR> WAFs/Outboard ribs.reply
To Peter Drake. O.K. Peter, lets try this: If you stand at the tip of the wing, looking towards the fuselage, the first rib you see is a 3/8 wooden rib. That one is 36 inches long.Let us label that one "A" The next rib you will see is made out of 2 inch foam (B) The next rib (C) is also made out of 2 inch foam. (D) is also 2 inch foam (E) however is just 1 inch foam . (F) and (G) are wooden ribs, 48 inches long and are part of the center wing. (B), (C) and (D) are equilly spaced You then put a very straight board with sand paper attached on (A) and (F) and start sanding and sanding and sanding.! When finished, the ribs (B), (C), (D) and (E) will have just the right shape. Hope this helps, good luck. If you have more questions, feel free to contact me off line. Louis Staalberg Payson, Arizona n...@cbiwireless.com
KR> WAFs/Outboard ribs.reply
Louis Sorry I think we are at cross purposes! I am building a KR2S which has 12" wing extensions. The drawing shows a 33" rib at the end of the wing before the extension starts. I think you have answered my question though as I think this rib takes the place of the 36" tip rib shown on the old KR2 plans. Thank you Peter - Original Message - From: "Louis Staalberg" To: "KRnet" Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 4:19 AM Subject: Re: KR> WAFs/Outboard ribs.reply > To Peter Drake. > > O.K. Peter, lets try this: > If you stand at the tip of the wing, looking towards the fuselage, the > first rib you see is a 3/8 wooden rib. > That one is 36 inches long.Let us label that one "A" > > The next rib you will see is made out of 2 inch foam (B) > > The next rib (C) is also made out of 2 inch foam. > > (D) is also 2 inch foam > > (E) however is just 1 inch foam > . > (F) and (G) are wooden ribs, 48 inches long and are part of the center > wing. > > (B), (C) and (D) are equilly spaced > > You then put a very straight board with sand paper attached on (A) and > (F) > and start sanding and sanding and sanding.! > > When finished, the ribs (B), (C), (D) and (E) will have just the right > shape. > > Hope this helps, good luck. If you have more questions, feel free to > contact me off line. > > > > Louis Staalberg > Payson, Arizona > n...@cbiwireless.com > > > > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > --- > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.6.9 - Release Date: 11/06/2005 > >
KR> WAFs - Keeping t light
Some of you may remember that I realized my WAFs had been done with all the lightening holes the same diameter. Well, I started recutting these holes as per plans, using a stepcutter. The benefit is no less than 12 grams per WAF, which gives me no less than 196 g for the whole aircraft (6.9 oz). Wow! That's the easiest weight saving I've achieved so far! Serge Vidal KR2 "Kilimanjaro Cloud" Paris, France
KR> WAFS, rear spar, bolts
If you haven't bolted your WAFS on the rear spar, make sure you install the bolts head forward. If you don't, if one day you need to remove the WAFS, the bolts on the upper WAF will be impossible to remove. The wing skin will be on the way. And don't ask me how I know this. Serge Vidal Paris, France
KR> WAFs and Diehl gear for sale
I have one set of RR wing attach fittings for sale for a 2S. I understand that they are the same as for a 2 except for the four small aft outboard fittings because the spar is not bent back. I may be wrong on this, but I am pretty sure that is correct. If you do need to change the few different ones Jeanette does have the small WAFs in stock. Price is $375 for the set including shipping in the U.S. I realize that is no great savings, but I have them now. I also have a set of Diehl gear for sale. The set consists of the upper casting, the gear leg, the lower brackets, and the bolt kit. As when you buy the set from Dan, it does not include the axles. The legs are already glassed and hae the straw for the brake line already done. The glass work is very good and will require very little finishing. The set is for a tail dragger, but I think they are the same as for a nose wheel, just mounted on the other side of the spar. Not 100% sure on this, but someone on the list should know. The legs are not drilled yet and the holes to mount the leg to the upper casting are not drilled in the casting yet, so there is no worry that there is any misalignment on this set. Dan sells the set for $525 plus $15 for shipping. I will sell them for $500 with shipping in the U.S. included. The work that is done will save about three hours. I am selling the gear because I have ordered new leg blanks that will not rake as far forward and I am welding up new brackets for more prop clearance. I also have the forward spar to sell. The spar is drilled to match this gear set. I am fairly sure I can get the center section spar off the plane without damage, but I am not sure on this yet. Reply direct to me at br...@engalt.com or call my cell at 904-536-1780. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com
KR> WAFs and Diehl gear for sale
Brian, The Diehl main gear set can be used either for conventional gear or nose gear installation by crossing diagonally on the main spar. And if you are careful where you drill the holes in the brackets and spar, you can interchangeably convert from conventional to tri-gear and back without drilling extra holes in the spar. Sid Wood, KR-2 N6242 Mechanicsville, MD sidney.w...@titan.com I also have a set of Diehl gear for sale. The set consists of the upper casting, the gear leg, the lower brackets, and the bolt kit. As when you buy the set from Dan, it does not include the axles. The legs are already glassed and hae the straw for the brake line already done. The glass work is very good and will require very little finishing. The set is for a tail dragger, but I think they are the same as for a nose wheel, just mounted on the other side of the spar. Not 100% sure on this, but someone on the list should know. The legs are not drilled yet and the holes to mount the leg to the upper casting are not drilled in the casting yet, so there is no worry that there is any misalignment on this set. Dan sells the set for $525 plus $15 for shipping. I will sell them for $500 with shipping in the U.S. included. The work that is done will save about three hours. I am selling the gear because I have ordered new leg blanks that will not rake as far forward and I am welding up new brackets for more prop clearance. I also have the forward spar to sell. The spar is drilled to match this gear set. I am fairly sure I can get the center section spar off the plane without damage, but I am not sure on this yet. Reply direct to me at br...@engalt.com or call my cell at 904-536-1780. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com ___ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html
KR> WAFs
I checked with Jeanette yesterday and she is not discontinuing the WAFs. Se just doesn't have the big ones in yet. She does have plenty of the small ones. My offer to make and sell fittings was more to help builders, not to take business away from Jeanette for not much profit. Therefore, I will not be selling WAFs, unless my price comes back good enought that Jeanette wants to buy them from me. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com
