KR> CrankShaft

[Fred Johnson]

Not sure who these folks are but I must agree I would do the same thing. it
chaps my hide that a business, any business would treat it's customers that
way. I would still be in the business I am if acted like that for sure.

Fred Johnson
Reno, NV


-Original Message-
thomas brady

I would just like people to know my experience with Modley Crankshaft at
Dearborn Heights, MI. 

KR> CrankShaft

[thomas brady]

I would just like people to know my experience with Modley Crankshaft at 
Dearborn Heights, MI. About 5 months ago I gave them a call about doing the 
crankshaft work for my engine. I told them everything that I needed done and 
they gave me a ballpark price. So I sent it off for them to complete the work. 
During this time I made several calls to them to just make sure they did not 
forget about me. Everytime I called I asked about the total price, but they 
would never give me the total. Yesterday UPS tried to make the delivery but I 
was not home. They did leave one of those stickys telling me that the next 
delivery date would be Any ways on this sticky is were i found the total 
price. There was a $325.00 difference from what the ballpark price was that 
they gave me. So I just figured that it was just a missprint or something. But 
when I called them I found out that it was the right price. Now what really 
burns me is this. I would be fine if they just told me that they messed up and 
gave me the wrong price, but No, the guy told me that I was lying and that he 
would have never told me that ballpark price. I would have normally just went 
ahead and payed it, figuring whats 325.00 in the total cost, but calling me a 
liar  is what got me. He did not even go ask if any of the other 2 people that 
are there had said anything to me, just jumped right to calling me a liar. I'm 
not here to bad mouth anyone or any busniess but I just wanted to let the group 
know my experience with them. Oh, so I told him to keep the crankshaft. I'm now 
looking for another crankshift.

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KR> Crankshaft threading

[Jack Cooper]

Just wanted to let everyone know that it is not impossible to thread the crank 
for the safety shaft after the crank has been nitrated. Mike Hyers recommended 
a local machine shop which caters to industry, (not an automotive machine 
shop). I told them that the crank had been nitrated but he was not concerned by 
that as he would not be using a conventional tap. I do recommend that the crank 
be threaded prior to nitrating as it can be done cheaper and easier but it is 
not impossible to thread after nitrating.


Jack Cooper
kr2coo...@earthlink.net
Fayetteville. NC.

KR> Crankshaft

[Jack Cooper]

Sent my crank to Nitron today. I called to let them know it was being shipped 
and ask about wheather it should be turned proir to nitrating or turned after 
nitrating. He said definately have the crank turned before nitrating. I know 
that this was discussed at length a while back but I wanted to hear it from the 
man who does the nitrating. I don't want to start this discussion all over 
again but just passing along what I was told.  I also sent along a prepaid 
shipping label so that  he can apply the label to my box and not worry about 
return shipping cost. He also liked that idea.

Jack Cooper
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KR> crankshaft

[Phil Matheson]

Joe
Sorry to hear about your forced landing.
Good to hear you are OK.
Was the crank a standard VW or forged or after market crank?
Prop forces on a direct drive engine can be devastating.

Phil Matheson
mathes...@dodo.com.au
VH-PKR  ( Phil's KR)
61 3 58833588
Australia.( Down Under)
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Re: Réf. : KR> crankshaft

[Joe]

   I have a 2180 Great Plains engine.  The crankshaft broke between the 
third and forth connecting rod from the front.  I am not sure what the crank 
is made from. The engine kept running,  but when I knew I had the runway 
made I shut the engine off and made a good dead stick landing.
  Joe Weber
Cuba City, Wis.
- Original Message - 
From: "Serge VIDAL" <serge.vi...@sagem.com>
To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 8:32 AM
Subject: Réf. : KR> crankshaft


> Sorry to hear that, Joe.
>
> Please tell us more. Did you make a dead  stick landing? What engine type
> is it? WHere did it break?
>
> Serge Vidal
> KR2 "Kilimanjaro Cloud"
> Paris, France
>
>
>
>
>
> "Joe" <mo...@mhtc.net>
>
> Envoyé par : krnet-boun...@mylist.net
> 13/01/2006 15:27
> Veuillez répondre à KRnet
> Remis le : 13/01/2006 15:27
>
>
>Pour :  "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
>cc :(ccc : Serge VIDAL/DNSA/SAGEM)
>Objet : KR> crankshaft
>
>
>
>  Last saturday I was enroute from Platteville,  Wisconsin to
> Independence, Iowa.  Just north of Manchester, Iowa I heard a bang and the
> plane started to shake.  I was about 3 miles from the Manchester airport.
> I landed at Manchester.  Hauled the plane home.  After dismantling the
> engine I found the crankshaft was broke.
>   Joe Weber
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Re: Réf. : KR> crankshaft

[Dan Heath]

Joe,

Thanks.  Do you have the one with the force one hub?  Do you have a prop hub
extension?  If so, how long is it?  Have you contacted Steve about this yet?

I guess you can tell, I have gotten a little paranoid about engine failures.


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There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building
is OVER.
Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC
---Original Message---

From: Joe
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: 01/15/06 09:57:58
To: KRnet
Subject: Re: Réf. : KR> crankshaft

   I have a 2180 Great Plains engine.  The crankshaft broke between the
third and forth connecting rod from the front.  I am not sure what the crank
is made from. The engine kept running,  but when I knew I had the runway
made I shut the engine off and made a good dead stick landing.
  Joe Weber
Cuba City, Wis.
- Original Message -
From: "Serge VIDAL" <serge.vi...@sagem.com>
To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 8:32 AM
Subject: Réf. : KR> crankshaft


> Sorry to hear that, Joe.
>
> Please tell us more. Did you make a dead  stick landing? What engine type
> is it? WHere did it break?
>
> Serge Vidal
> KR2 "Kilimanjaro Cloud"
> Paris, France
>
>
>
>
>
> "Joe" <mo...@mhtc.net>
>
> Envoyé par : krnet-boun...@mylist.net
> 13/01/2006 15:27
> Veuillez répondre à KRnet
> Remis le : 13/01/2006 15:27
>
>
>Pour :  "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
>cc :(ccc : Serge VIDAL/DNSA/SAGEM)
>Objet : KR> crankshaft
>
>
>
>  Last saturday I was enroute from Platteville,  Wisconsin to
> Independence, Iowa.  Just north of Manchester, Iowa I heard a bang and the
> plane started to shake.  I was about 3 miles from the Manchester airport.
> I landed at Manchester.  Hauled the plane home.  After dismantling the
> engine I found the crankshaft was broke.
>   Joe Weber
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KR> Re: Réf. : KR > crankshaft

[Paul Gangemi]

Hi, all;
I have a 2" steel extension on my 1834cc Hapi. I feel I should have one
made of 2024 aluminum after reading about recent crank failures. Did
these incidents involve extensions, and if so, what material was used to
make them?

Any thoughts in regard to this will be appreciated.

Just trying to learn from all of this

Paul 
KR2s Erie, PA

Re: Réf. : KR> crankshaft

[Joe]

  I do have the force one hub and no extenstion. This engine had been on a 
Soneria before I bought it.  I don't know the history of it but the key way 
appears to be damaged.  This leads me to believe the there was a prop 
strike.
   Joe Weber
- Original Message - 
From: "Dan Heath" <da...@alltel.net>
To: <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 9:07 AM
Subject: Re: Réf. : KR> crankshaft


> Joe,
>
> Thanks.  Do you have the one with the force one hub?  Do you have a prop 
> hub
> extension?  If so, how long is it?  Have you contacted Steve about this 
> yet?
>
> I guess you can tell, I have gotten a little paranoid about engine 
> failures.
>
>
> See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics
> See you in Mt. Vernon - 2006 - KR Gathering
> There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for 
> building
> is OVER.
> Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC
> ---Original Message-------
>
> From: Joe
> Date: 01/15/06 09:57:58
> To: KRnet
> Subject: Re: Réf. : KR> crankshaft
>
>   I have a 2180 Great Plains engine.  The crankshaft broke between the
> third and forth connecting rod from the front.  I am not sure what the 
> crank
> is made from. The engine kept running,  but when I knew I had the runway
> made I shut the engine off and made a good dead stick landing.
>  Joe Weber
> Cuba City, Wis.
> - Original Message -
> From: "Serge VIDAL" <serge.vi...@sagem.com>
> To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
> Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 8:32 AM
> Subject: Réf. : KR> crankshaft
>
>
>> Sorry to hear that, Joe.
>>
>> Please tell us more. Did you make a dead  stick landing? What engine type
>> is it? WHere did it break?
>>
>> Serge Vidal
>> KR2 "Kilimanjaro Cloud"
>> Paris, France
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Joe" <mo...@mhtc.net>
>>
>> Envoyé par : krnet-boun...@mylist.net
>> 13/01/2006 15:27
>> Veuillez répondre à KRnet
>> Remis le : 13/01/2006 15:27
>>
>>
>>Pour :  "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
>>cc :(ccc : Serge VIDAL/DNSA/SAGEM)
>>Objet : KR> crankshaft
>>
>>
>>
>>  Last saturday I was enroute from Platteville,  Wisconsin to
>> Independence, Iowa.  Just north of Manchester, Iowa I heard a bang and 
>> the
>> plane started to shake.  I was about 3 miles from the Manchester airport.
>> I landed at Manchester.  Hauled the plane home.  After dismantling the
>> engine I found the crankshaft was broke.
>>   Joe Weber
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KR> Crankshaft Nitriding

[Mark Jones]

I have quietly sat back and listened to all of you discuss this issue. No one 
really knows why or how or anything else, except the facts we have now. Just 
keep this in mind.It is your life that is in most danger coupled with any 
passengers you may carry and then there are the people on the ground you could 
take out if you go down. But what about your loved ones who are affected by 
your loss, losses. You guys and gals are intelligent people. If you were not, 
then you could not build an airplane. Why would any of you take such a risk? 
Why would you not spend a few extra dollars to make your plane safer whether it 
is a Piet or a high performance 250 mph plane. Why would you not spend a few 
extra hours on the engine to make it more bullet proof? Those of you who are 
taking this seriously and doing the nitriding as recommended, I applaud 
you!!! Those who are ignoring the findings and are not concerned about 
nitriding well, may God be with you!!! And please don't fly over my house, 
at least while my family is at home. Kind of puts it in perspective doesn't it? 
Personally, I love life and am enjoying doing what I love to do. When William 
called and asked for my crank, I had no plans of nitriding. Thank God I let him 
talk me into it since mine was cracked. And by the way, I flew gently those 71 
hours and never turned it over 3150 rpm. Also, thanks to William asking for my 
crank, I discovered a faulty harmonic balancer during the teardown which also 
would have caused a forced landing. That's two things I am proud to say William 
saved me from. Now, the next time I go fly, I will be just that much more 
confident in my airplane as being that much safer.

Mark Jones (N886MJ)
Wales, WI  USA 
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KR> crankshaft

[Joe]

  Last saturday I was enroute from Platteville,  Wisconsin to Independence, 
Iowa.  Just north of Manchester, Iowa I heard a bang and the plane started to 
shake.  I was about 3 miles from the Manchester airport.  I landed at 
Manchester.  Hauled the plane home.  After dismantling the engine I found the 
crankshaft was broke.
   Joe Weber

Réf. : KR> crankshaft

[Serge VIDAL]

Sorry to hear that, Joe.

Please tell us more. Did you make a dead  stick landing? What engine type 
is it? WHere did it break?

Serge Vidal
KR2 "Kilimanjaro Cloud"
Paris, France





"Joe" <mo...@mhtc.net>

Envoyé par : krnet-boun...@mylist.net
13/01/2006 15:27
Veuillez répondre à KRnet
Remis le : 13/01/2006 15:27


Pour :  "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
cc :(ccc : Serge VIDAL/DNSA/SAGEM)
Objet : KR> crankshaft



  Last saturday I was enroute from Platteville,  Wisconsin to 
Independence, Iowa.  Just north of Manchester, Iowa I heard a bang and the 
plane started to shake.  I was about 3 miles from the Manchester airport. 
I landed at Manchester.  Hauled the plane home.  After dismantling the 
engine I found the crankshaft was broke.
   Joe Weber
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KR> crankshaft

[Mark Jones]

Joe,
Refresh our memorieswhat engine do you have? Glad you made it down
ok. Any damage to the airframe?

Mark Jones (N886MJ) 
Wales, WI 
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-Original Message-
From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net]On
Behalf Of Joe
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 8:27 AM
To: KRnet
Subject: KR> crankshaft


  Last saturday I was enroute from Platteville,  Wisconsin to
Independence, Iowa.  Just north of Manchester, Iowa I heard a bang and
the plane started to shake.  I was about 3 miles from the Manchester
airport.  I landed at Manchester.  Hauled the plane home.  After
dismantling the engine I found the crankshaft was broke.
   Joe Weber
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KR> crankshaft

[VIRGIL N SALISBURY]

That happens a lot on VW;s, Virg

On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 08:27:23 -0600 "Joe"  writes:
>   Last saturday I was enroute from Platteville,  Wisconsin to 
> Independence, Iowa.  Just north of Manchester, Iowa I heard a bang 
> and the plane started to shake.  I was about 3 miles from the 
> Manchester airport.  I landed at Manchester.  Hauled the plane home. 
>  After dismantling the engine I found the crankshaft was broke.
>Joe Weber
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> 
> 


Virgil N. Salisbury - AMSOIL
www.lubedealer.com/salisbury
Miami ,Fl

KR> crankshaft

[Frank Ross]

Joe,
Glad you're okay. You'll be busy, but keep us posted.
Frank

--- Joe  wrote:

>   Last saturday I was enroute from Platteville, 
> Wisconsin to Independence, Iowa.  Just north of
> Manchester, Iowa I heard a bang and the plane
> started to shake.  I was about 3 miles from the
> Manchester airport.  I landed at Manchester.  Hauled
> the plane home.  After dismantling the engine I
> found the crankshaft was broke.
>Joe Weber


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