KR> still searching

[Joe H Horton]

Well Guys, 
I want to thank every one that has given suggestions. It has been
a real help and I did investigate every thought that was thrown out there
and some of them several times. I have found nothing to date that would
tell me why the engine quit. So I've decided to sell N357CJ  to some poor
unsuspecting sucker-- No No - just kidding. I flew this morning for a
little over a half hour and I was not shy about putting it through her
paces. I ran at full throttle with it leaned out and I ran at partial
throttle settings. I dove , I climbed , I did hard turn reversals and
just all around had a blast with the roller coaster style flying .The
biggest change is the weather(humidity about 50% and 75 deg). I have
adjusted the carb richer and all the temps were great this morning as
well as exhaust temps. ( I now believe that exhaust temps on the ground
are not accurate) The head temps stayed within 15 deg. of each other and
the exhaust temps never got much more than 60 deg apart through the whole
range.
For now I'm calling N357CJ cured and fit for flight into sever
VFR conditions. I did one long speed run and calculated true airspeed It
worked out to 173.4 mph at full throttle. That put me closer to the west
coast than KRA or KRB-(right Jonesy)
Any way thanks all again and if you can't tell I am pretty happy
again
Thanks, Joe Horton
On Fri, 4 Aug 2006 20:48:19 -0700 "George Harris"
<pumpkin_...@autoinsanity.com> writes:
> What's the latest Joe?
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Joseph H. Horton" <joe.kr2s.buil...@juno.com>
> To: <kr...@mylist.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 10:24 AM
> Subject: Re: Re: KR> still searching
> 
> 
> > 
> > > Is your fuel ok?  Ethanol, water, poor octane, fuel mixture, etc 
>
> > > Try 
> > > removing what you got now, for a fresh few gallons and see if 
> you 
> > > can make 
> > > it fail then.
> > > .
> > Fuel  has been drained and check and new fuel put in. I'm 
> running
> > 100LL and didn't expect these troubles.
> > Bill Clapp wrote me last night and said he had the same 
> problem
> > in test phase. He thinks that I have not adjusted rich enough in 
> the
> > needle. I may try something more aggressive in the needle 
> adjustment
> > tonight. Temperature is over 100 with high humidity now so it 
> should be a
> > good test.
> > Joe Horton, Coopersburg, PA.
> > joe.kr2s.buil...@juno.com
> > 
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KR> still searching

[Kenneth Wiltrout]

Good Luck
Kenny W


- Original Message - 
From: "Joe H Horton" <joe.kr2s.buil...@juno.com>
To: <kr...@mylist.net>; <corvaircr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Saturday, August 05, 2006 9:39 AM
Subject: Re: Re: KR> still searching


>I want to thank every one that has given suggestions. It has been
> a real help and I did investigate every thought that was thrown out there
> and some of them several times. I have found nothing to date that would
> tell me why the engine quit. So I've decided to sell N357CJ  to some poor
> unsuspecting sucker-- No No - just kidding. I flew this morning for a
> little over a half hour and I was not shy about putting it through her
> paces. I ran at full throttle with it leaned out and I ran at partial
> throttle settings. I dove , I climbed , I did hard turn reversals and
> just all around had a blast with the roller coaster style flying .The
> biggest change is the weather(humidity about 50% and 75 deg). I have
> adjusted the carb richer and all the temps were great this morning as
> well as exhaust temps. ( I now believe that exhaust temps on the ground
> are not accurate) The head temps stayed within 15 deg. of each other and
> the exhaust temps never got much more than 60 deg apart through the whole
> range.
>For now I'm calling N357CJ cured and fit for flight into sever
> VFR conditions. I did one long speed run and calculated true airspeed It
> worked out to 173.4 mph at full throttle. That put me closer to the west
> coast than KRA or KRB-(right Jonesy)
>Any way thanks all again and if you can't tell I am pretty happy
> again
> Thanks, Joe Horton
> On Fri, 4 Aug 2006 20:48:19 -0700 "George Harris"
> <pumpkin_...@autoinsanity.com> writes:
>> What's the latest Joe?
>> 
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Joseph H. Horton" <joe.kr2s.buil...@juno.com>
>> To: <kr...@mylist.net>
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 10:24 AM
>> Subject: Re: Re: KR> still searching
>> 
>> 
>> > 
>> > > Is your fuel ok?  Ethanol, water, poor octane, fuel mixture, etc 
>>
>> > > Try 
>> > > removing what you got now, for a fresh few gallons and see if 
>> you 
>> > > can make 
>> > > it fail then.
>> > > .
>> > Fuel  has been drained and check and new fuel put in. I'm 
>> running
>> > 100LL and didn't expect these troubles.
>> > Bill Clapp wrote me last night and said he had the same 
>> problem
>> > in test phase. He thinks that I have not adjusted rich enough in 
>> the
>> > needle. I may try something more aggressive in the needle 
>> adjustment
>> > tonight. Temperature is over 100 with high humidity now so it 
>> should be a
>> > good test.
>> > Joe Horton, Coopersburg, PA.
>> > joe.kr2s.buil...@juno.com
>> > 
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KR> still searching

[countryhomeprint]

Try a blast tube to the gasgolator (?). You are getting vaporization either 
in the line or gasgolator. Terry Teer had this porblem on his kr. Six 
months, many changes, two carburetors later it was solved with a blast tube.
- Original Message - 
From: <da...@alltel.net>
To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 7:40 AM
Subject: Re: Re: KR> still searching


> Joe,
>
> I would just remember to push full rich before advancing throttle, or 
> advance the throttle very slowly.  Actually, by the time you converted to 
> the Ellison, it would have cost you closer to $1000 unless you are already 
> running pumps.
>
> From: "Joseph H. Horton" <joe.kr2s.buil...@juno.com>
> Date: 2006/07/31 Mon AM 07:07:59 CDT
> To: kr...@mylist.net
> Subject: Re: KR> still searching
>
>
> On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 22:12:17 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) "Dan Heath"
> <da...@alltel.net> writes:
>> Joe,
>>
>> All I can tell you is that with the Ellison, I have exactly the same
>> problem
>> on the ground if I have leaned the engine.  At full rich, I get
>> smooth
>> throttle from idle to full, but if I have leaned it, it stumbles
>> badly when
>> I push in the throttle.
>>
>>
> Dan - That's not encouraging- I figured if all else failed that $800
> would fix everything with a new ellison.
>
> Joe Horton, Coopersburg, PA.
> joe.kr2s.buil...@juno.com
>
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KR> still searching

[Joseph H. Horton]

On Mon, 31 Jul 2006 21:13:06 -0500 "countryhomeprint"
 writes:
> Try a blast tube to the gasgolator (?). You are getting vaporization 
> either 
> in the line or gasgolator. Terry Teer had this porblem on his kr. 
> Six 
> months, many changes, two carburetors later it was solved with a 
> blast tube.
I built and installed a blast tube to the gascolator several
months ago. All the lines have been insulated from the very beginning .
The carb is the last thing that is not insulated.
Joe Horton, Coopersburg, PA.
joe.kr2s.buil...@juno.com

KR> still searching

[Carol & Weldon Jennings]

Is your fuel ok?  Ethanol, water, poor octane, fuel mixture, etcTry 
removing what you got now, for a fresh few gallons and see if you can make 
it fail then.
. 
- Original Message - 
From: "Joseph H. Horton" <joe.kr2s.buil...@juno.com>
To: <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 3:54 AM
Subject: Re: Re: KR> still searching


>
> On Mon, 31 Jul 2006 21:13:06 -0500 "countryhomeprint"
> <countryhomepr...@bellsouth.net> writes:
>> Try a blast tube to the gasgolator (?). You are getting vaporization
>> either
>> in the line or gasgolator. Terry Teer had this porblem on his kr.
>> Six

KR> still searching

[Joseph H. Horton]

> Is your fuel ok?  Ethanol, water, poor octane, fuel mixture, etc
> Try 
> removing what you got now, for a fresh few gallons and see if you 
> can make 
> it fail then.
> .
Fuel  has been drained and check and new fuel put in. I'm running
100LL and didn't expect these troubles.
Bill Clapp wrote me last night and said he had the same problem
in test phase. He thinks that I have not adjusted rich enough in the
needle. I may try something more aggressive in the needle adjustment
tonight. Temperature is over 100 with high humidity now so it should be a
good test.
Joe Horton, Coopersburg, PA.
joe.kr2s.buil...@juno.com

KR> still searching

[George Harris]

What's the latest Joe?

- Original Message - 
From: "Joseph H. Horton" <joe.kr2s.buil...@juno.com>
To: <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 10:24 AM
Subject: Re: Re: KR> still searching


> 
> > Is your fuel ok?  Ethanol, water, poor octane, fuel mixture, etc
> > Try 
> > removing what you got now, for a fresh few gallons and see if you 
> > can make 
> > it fail then.
> > .
> Fuel  has been drained and check and new fuel put in. I'm running
> 100LL and didn't expect these troubles.
> Bill Clapp wrote me last night and said he had the same problem
> in test phase. He thinks that I have not adjusted rich enough in the
> needle. I may try something more aggressive in the needle adjustment
> tonight. Temperature is over 100 with high humidity now so it should be a
> good test.
> Joe Horton, Coopersburg, PA.
> joe.kr2s.buil...@juno.com
> 
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KR> still searching

[Joe H Horton]

 Guys,
 For the past week I have made some kind of adjustment,  change
or
 check in the engine compartment trying to find any source of a  problem
 from my engine out 3 weeks ago.  I have a small stumble that I can now
 get to happen when running on the ground.  I did not have any hint  of
 this problem before I started my annual inspection. So I have  been
 concentrating on the things that I touched during the inspection. 
 To recap a little the ignition has been completely checked out
as 
well as the engine itself. This left fuel delivery and carb. The fuel
lines where
checked and flow was verified to be more than ample.
I have about 4 hours of ground run and fast taxi test over the
 past week.  I thought that I might have it licked yesterday so I 
 tried a flight test. I tried to duplicate the flight take off from when 
 the engine stopped. The temp and density altitude were almost the 
same. The run up and take off and the climb all went without the
slightest 
 hick up. I climbed to 8500 ft while circling the airport. (@ 800'/min) I

circled for awhile and reduced throttle to 2750 rpm. About 20 min had
gone 
 by and not so much as a hint of a problem. I leveled out to the west an 
noticed that my indicated airspeed and ground speed were almost
identical. 
This made me curious and distract to check true airspeed on the gps 
E6B calculator. I found that I was operating at a density altitude of 
 10500 and true airspeed was 139 mph at 2750 rpm. by now I was 10 to 12 
miles to the west and I decided to go back to full throttle. I was leaned

out during this time also.
 When I went to full throttle it started to sputter and  spit and
 just plain act up. I went full rich (while turning back) That did  not
 clear it. I reduced throttle and that did not return it to smooth. 
These
 were not sudden or panicked throttle changes. I moved the throttle 
slowly
 and methodically to try and figure it out and analyze what was  going on
 with the instruments. The only instrument that gave me any clue  was the
 mixture gauge which went to full lean with every sputter. I also tried
 switching back an forth the 2 ignition systems. That made no  difference
either. The last resort was to try carb heat. That did have an  effect on
 it and the engine recovered in a matter of 5 to 10 seconds. The  mixture
 gauge showed that it enriched the fuel to a normal level. I did  not try
 full throttle the rest of the flight and I did try going back and  forth
 with the carb heat. After the roughness stopped the carb heat  just
 dropped the rpm but showed no other effect.
 As a side note the air temp at altitude was 59 deg. and I  was
at
 least 1000' above the haze layer(no visible moisture)
 This morning I took the fuel system apart again and  flushed it
 out and check flow. I ground ran it for about 30 min again. I can get it
to do the stumble on the ground now but the engine has to be completely
 up to normal operating temps. I.E. the oil has to be around 220 deg. and
 oil pressure is 35 to 38 psi. cylinder heads are all around 350  deg.
The
 exhaust temps are the only other clue that I am finding something  that
I
 never had before. All my time before annual inspection at cruise I 
would
 set the mixture for the highest exhaust temp to be 1330 deg and they
 would all fall into a 20 to 30 deg range. Now at 1330 and all  temps in
 the normal range the exhaust span while not get closer than 120 deg and
I
 have to set it for more like 1300 even to stay out of the stumble
problem.
 The way that I can get it to start the stumble problem on  the
 ground is to lean it out. If I leave it full rich it does it only
 occasionally and with not set pattern or time between. It is also very
brief like that too.
Any thoughts or other information needed.
 Joe Horton, Coopersburg, Pa.
joe.kr2s.buil...@juno.com

KR> still searching

[Dan Heath]

Joe,

All I can tell you is that with the Ellison, I have exactly the same problem
on the ground if I have leaned the engine.  At full rich, I get smooth
throttle from idle to full, but if I have leaned it, it stumbles badly when
I push in the throttle. 

See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics 
See you in Mt. Vernon - 2006 - KR Gathering
There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building
is OVER.
Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC
---Original Message---
Any thoughts or other information needed.
  Joe Horton, Coopersburg, Pa.

KR> still searching

[Brian Kraut]

Have you tried replacing intake gaskets and making sure you don't have a
leak somewhere in the intake side?

Brian Kraut
Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
www.engalt.com

-Original Message-
From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net]On
Behalf Of Joe H Horton
Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 8:56 PM
To: kr...@mylist.net
Subject: KR> still searching



 Guys,
 For the past week I have made some kind of adjustment,  change
or
 check in the engine compartment trying to find any source of a  problem
 from my engine out 3 weeks ago.  I have a small stumble that I can now
 get to happen when running on the ground.  I did not have any hint  of
 this problem before I started my annual inspection. So I have  been
 concentrating on the things that I touched during the inspection.
 To recap a little the ignition has been completely checked out
as
well as the engine itself. This left fuel delivery and carb. The fuel
lines where
checked and flow was verified to be more than ample.
I have about 4 hours of ground run and fast taxi test over the
 past week.  I thought that I might have it licked yesterday so I
 tried a flight test. I tried to duplicate the flight take off from when
 the engine stopped. The temp and density altitude were almost the
same. The run up and take off and the climb all went without the
slightest
 hick up. I climbed to 8500 ft while circling the airport. (@ 800'/min) I

circled for awhile and reduced throttle to 2750 rpm. About 20 min had
gone
 by and not so much as a hint of a problem. I leveled out to the west an
noticed that my indicated airspeed and ground speed were almost
identical.
This made me curious and distract to check true airspeed on the gps
E6B calculator. I found that I was operating at a density altitude of
 10500 and true airspeed was 139 mph at 2750 rpm. by now I was 10 to 12
miles to the west and I decided to go back to full throttle. I was leaned

out during this time also.
 When I went to full throttle it started to sputter and  spit and
 just plain act up. I went full rich (while turning back) That did  not
 clear it. I reduced throttle and that did not return it to smooth.
These
 were not sudden or panicked throttle changes. I moved the throttle
slowly
 and methodically to try and figure it out and analyze what was  going on
 with the instruments. The only instrument that gave me any clue  was the
 mixture gauge which went to full lean with every sputter. I also tried
 switching back an forth the 2 ignition systems. That made no  difference
either. The last resort was to try carb heat. That did have an  effect on
 it and the engine recovered in a matter of 5 to 10 seconds. The  mixture
 gauge showed that it enriched the fuel to a normal level. I did  not try
 full throttle the rest of the flight and I did try going back and  forth
 with the carb heat. After the roughness stopped the carb heat  just
 dropped the rpm but showed no other effect.
 As a side note the air temp at altitude was 59 deg. and I  was
at
 least 1000' above the haze layer(no visible moisture)
 This morning I took the fuel system apart again and  flushed it
 out and check flow. I ground ran it for about 30 min again. I can get it
to do the stumble on the ground now but the engine has to be completely
 up to normal operating temps. I.E. the oil has to be around 220 deg. and
 oil pressure is 35 to 38 psi. cylinder heads are all around 350  deg.
The
 exhaust temps are the only other clue that I am finding something  that
I
 never had before. All my time before annual inspection at cruise I
would
 set the mixture for the highest exhaust temp to be 1330 deg and they
 would all fall into a 20 to 30 deg range. Now at 1330 and all  temps in
 the normal range the exhaust span while not get closer than 120 deg and
I
 have to set it for more like 1300 even to stay out of the stumble
problem.
 The way that I can get it to start the stumble problem on  the
 ground is to lean it out. If I leave it full rich it does it only
 occasionally and with not set pattern or time between. It is also very
brief like that too.
Any thoughts or other information needed.
 Joe Horton, Coopersburg, Pa.
joe.kr2s.buil...@juno.com

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[Mark Langford]

Dan Heath wrote:

> All I can tell you is that with the Ellison, I have exactly the same
problem
> on the ground if I have leaned the engine.  At full rich, I get smooth
> throttle from idle to full, but if I have leaned it, it stumbles badly
when
> I push in the throttle.

Mine does the same thing when flying, but it's instantly apparent with the
mixture meter (which both Dan and Joe also  have now).  And it's normal for
an engine with no acceleration circuit to go lean when the throttle is
advanced, but it should catch up shortly and run correctly, but that's not
the case with my Ellison installation.  But I don't really think that's it
as Joe now knows exactly what's happening with the mixture.  At the same
time, I do think it's mixture related somehow.  Mine is adjusted such that
if I take off at full throttle, the mixture's perfect, but if I back off a
little, it goes full rich and stays there until I fix it.  And there's no
way to adjust mixture at WOT as opposed to part throttle, as far as I can
tell.  The Ellison folks seemed to be bumfuzzled at this phenomenon, but
then I'm running ram air, so shouldn't complain about funny behavior, and
I've learned to work around it, even though it's clear it has nothing to do
with ram air.  For more on the mixture meter, see
http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/corvair/o2meter/ and
http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/fuel/ ...

Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama
see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford
email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net
--

KR> still searching

[Joseph H. Horton]

On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 21:09:48 -0500 "M & C" 
writes:
> Joe I would check your fuel tank vent tube to be sure it is not 
> pluged with 
> an insect or something?
> Mike Turner
> Jackson Mo
> - Original Message - 
I don't think it is clogged but I will double check it tonight.
Thanks,
Joe Horton, Coopersburg, PA.
joe.kr2s.buil...@juno.com

KR> still searching

[Joseph H. Horton]

On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 22:20:09 -0400 "Brian Kraut" 
writes:
> Have you tried replacing intake gaskets and making sure you don't 
> have a
> leak somewhere in the intake side?
> 
> Brian Kraut
Brian,
I have checked intake side several times but I am going to remove
it tonight to see if I missed something. 
Joe Horton, Coopersburg, PA.
joe.kr2s.buil...@juno.com

KR> still searching

[Joseph H. Horton]

On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 22:12:17 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) "Dan Heath"
 writes:
> Joe,
> 
> All I can tell you is that with the Ellison, I have exactly the same 
> problem
> on the ground if I have leaned the engine.  At full rich, I get 
> smooth
> throttle from idle to full, but if I have leaned it, it stumbles 
> badly when
> I push in the throttle. 
>  
> 
 Dan - That's not encouraging- I figured if all else failed that $800
would fix everything with a new ellison.

Joe Horton, Coopersburg, PA.
joe.kr2s.buil...@juno.com

KR> still searching

[da...@alltel.net]

Joe,

I would just remember to push full rich before advancing throttle, or advance 
the throttle very slowly.  Actually, by the time you converted to the Ellison, 
it would have cost you closer to $1000 unless you are already running pumps.

From: "Joseph H. Horton" <joe.kr2s.buil...@juno.com>
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: 2006/07/31 Mon AM 07:07:59 CDT
To: kr...@mylist.net
Subject: Re: KR> still searching


On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 22:12:17 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) "Dan Heath"
<da...@alltel.net> writes:
> Joe,
> 
> All I can tell you is that with the Ellison, I have exactly the same 
> problem
> on the ground if I have leaned the engine.  At full rich, I get 
> smooth
> throttle from idle to full, but if I have leaned it, it stumbles 
> badly when
> I push in the throttle. 
>  
> 
 Dan - That's not encouraging- I figured if all else failed that $800
would fix everything with a new ellison.

Joe Horton, Coopersburg, PA.
joe.kr2s.buil...@juno.com

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[M & C]

The puzzle here is that Joe was having no trouble before the anual with his 
mixture.  This started after he worked on it. I think Bill Clapp is running 
the same set up on his carb with no problems.
For some reason it doesn't appear that you are getting enough fuel to the 
carb.
Possibilities:
fuel flow restriction-- trash/blockage ect...
insuffecent vent --blockage or located in a neg or low pressure zone 
restricting fuel flow--don't think this is it as he can do it on the ramp
linkage--check the mix control cable to see that is is secured correctly.
Mike Turner
Jackson Mo
> Joe,
> I would just remember to push full rich before advancing throttle, or 
> advance the throttle very slowly.  Actually, by the time you converted to 
> the Ellison, it would have cost you closer to $1000 unless you are already 
> running pumps.

>> All I can tell you is that with the Ellison, I have exactly the same
>> problem

> Dan - That's not encouraging- I figured if all else failed that $800
> would fix everything with a new ellison.
>
> Joe Horton, Coopersburg, PA.
> joe.kr2s.buil...@juno.com
>