Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Can LibO be Customised to be Downloaded in a Native Language?
Hi Michael, *, On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 10:29 PM, Michael Bauer f...@akerbeltz.org wrote: [...] Elanjelian, the workaround we're currently using is not to use the default download page but a customised page (http://gd.libreoffice.org/faigh-greim-air/) where we tell users BEFORE they reach the download button that they have to follow this unintuitive path through Custom Installation. It would probably work for your language too. No need to create a separate page for that - you can add your notes at the top of the actual download page as well, just like for the old-style one that you use. If you have practical ideas on how to improve this, without having to provide 100 different installers, then please shoot... ciao Christian -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: l10n+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Can LibO be Customised to be Downloaded in a Native Language?
Hi: On 5 August 2014 17:52, Maniacco, Diego diego.mania...@provinz.bz.it wrote: Please confirm what I did understand from the discussion: - the installer may be triggered via some options at lunch-time to use a different language from default (which is en-US) - for some languages on Windows the OS is able to use such triggering - for minor languages on Windows this triggering does not take place, installer start with defaults - a manual start from command-line on Windows could inform the installer (msiexec /i LibOx.msi /someLibO-option ) about the UI install language - it would be possible to give to users such infos, whith motivation: Windows language support is smaler than LibO language support. diego * Thanks to everybody for smooth and clear discussions over the many subjects, it is a pleasure to read and follow them, learning always a bit more. Yes. After all, we are about the people, right? -e. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: l10n+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Can LibO be Customised to be Downloaded in a Native Language?
Just filed a bug after some off list suggestions. https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=82184 It may be accidental and I know projects like LO are always short of folk but it's inexcusable. It stumps new/inexperienced users (i.e. most) at a point before they even use the program. In terms of usability, it's like hiding the Save button three layers down in the UI menu. It should have been fixed as a matter of priority when LO first forked, even before cleaning code. It's not icing. Michael 05/08/2014 00:29, sgrìobh Tom Davies: I think it's more accidental than disgraceful. Obviously not everything is ideal yet! but there is a strong feeling of communities and individuals working together towards making things better and better. Also when you really think about what the alternatives do then it often is LO that is better. All teams (except maybe devs on Writer and Calc) are woefully tiny and yet they keep on producing really great work. I feel like i am only asking for a bit of icing on the cake, but then English(US) is very close to English (UK) so being stuck in the wrong one for a little while is barely noticeable. -- *Akerbeltz http://www.faclair.com/* Goireasan Gàidhlig air an lìon Fòn: +44-141-946 4437 Facs: +44-141-945 2701 *Tha Gàidhlig aig a' choimpiutair agad, siuthad, feuch e!* Iomadh rud eadar prògraman oifis, brabhsairean, predictive texting, geamannan is mòran a bharrachd. Tadhail oirnn aig www.iGàidhlig.net http://www.iGaidhlig.net/ -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: l10n+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Can LibO be Customised to be Downloaded in a Native Language?
Hi Yeah... you may find this thread 'helpful' or at least illuminating: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/msg07381.html Michael 05/08/2014 02:22, sgrìobh Elanjelian Venugopal: I agree. Yesterday, we launched LibreOffice (Tamil) in Malaysia, and as part of the launch we demonstrated how easily the product could be downloaded and installed. But the first thing we have to do is, apologise for the English! The old-timers may recall that OOo presented the installation screens in the respective native languages. -- *Akerbeltz http://www.faclair.com/* Goireasan Gàidhlig air an lìon Fòn: +44-141-946 4437 Facs: +44-141-945 2701 *Tha Gàidhlig aig a' choimpiutair agad, siuthad, feuch e!* Iomadh rud eadar prògraman oifis, brabhsairean, predictive texting, geamannan is mòran a bharrachd. Tadhail oirnn aig www.iGàidhlig.net http://www.iGaidhlig.net/ -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: l10n+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-l10n] Localized installer for languages not supported by Windows itself (was:Can LibO be Customised to be Downloaded in a Native Language?)
Hi Michael, * On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 1:05 PM, Michael Bauer f...@akerbeltz.org wrote: I've made some (hopefully) practical suggestions in the bug I just filed https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=82184 some general remarks: Concise is better. You have to go through lot of text (AKA rants) to get to the actual proposals. So for bug reports my suggestion is: Short why, then proposed solution, and then details about why. But to the proposals: Modifying the installer based on the selection obviously won't work, and would make it impossible to verify it against checksums, virus scanners would run amok, etc. So this one is out of the question. Picking a language is problematic, as how should you list the languages? You just naively say: List is alphabetically - but sorting rules differ by locale, and so does romanisation - based on what rules should it be romanized? The list will be long and bothersome and intimidating for most users... Also it doesn't solve the issue of presenting users with English text upfront. how are they supposed to use that first selection? The only solution I see for localized installer experience for all languages is to have additional dummy installers that call the actual installer with some parameters to pick the desired language. (that being said: Not sure whether this is possible at all) But having an additional dummy installer doesn't really make things easier. Also language-detection on the download-homepage still is useful since the helppackages are separate, and otherwise you'd have to manually pick that as well... ciao Christian -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: l10n+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-l10n] Missing translation in HR
Using LO 4.3.0.3 and that there are no translated strings in Paste special menu. (right click on any cell, and Paste special...) There were some changes here from 4.2 and some of those strings are untranslated (was 100% translated), but not all. Half of menu string should be translated and other half should be english, but I see everything in english (on HR locale, croatian). Is there some bug or LO is waiting for 100% translation to show all translated strings? Mihovil -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: l10n+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Missing translation in HR
2014-08-05 12:38 GMT+01:00 Mihovil Stanić mihovil.sta...@gmail.com: Using LO 4.3.0.3 and that there are no translated strings in Paste special menu. (right click on any cell, and Paste special...) I dont´t have any strings in English. Maybe locales mentioned have the problem? Regards There were some changes here from 4.2 and some of those strings are untranslated (was 100% translated), but not all. Half of menu string should be translated and other half should be english, but I see everything in english (on HR locale, croatian). Is there some bug or LO is waiting for 100% translation to show all translated strings? Mihovil -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: l10n+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to- unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Sérgio Marques -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: l10n+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Can LibO be Customised to be Downloaded in a Native Language?
On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 1:53 PM, Michael Bauer f...@akerbeltz.org wrote: Just filed a bug after some off list suggestions. https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=82184 It may be accidental and I know projects like LO are always short of folk but it's inexcusable. It stumps new/inexperienced users (i.e. most) at a point before they even use the program. In terms of usability, it's like hiding the Save button three layers down in the UI menu. It should have been fixed as a matter of priority when LO first forked, even before cleaning code. It's not icing. A bug report is the way to go. However, the content of this bug report is quite passive aggressive. It includes many separate issues while each bug report normally covers a single issue. Frankly, it does not make it easy to attract a developer to work on this. This localization issue is important and it has to be dealt with properly. Specifically, 1. Bug reports about the installation can be found at https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?product=LibreOfficecomponent=Installationresolution=--- 2. The issue about language sorting already has a bug report, at https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=81786 Most probably, the sorting is based on the language codes (de for German, etc). If you notice from the above bug report, the reporter says In German locale it is also unsorted. 'Weißrussisch' comes before 'Bulgarisch'. Well, the language code for Belarus is be and for Bulgaria is bg. Therefore, the sorting currently is probably by language code. The language codes and language names are probably stored in a data structure that makes it easy to change the sorting from language code to language name. It is probably a one-line code change and it is something that we can easily try ourselves and produce a patch! 3. There is another bug report, Default Installer Language, https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=63827 The desktop session of the user has some system locale, and the installer picks the system locale to show messages in the installer. If a user wants a specific other language, they should change the operating system settings so their desktop session has a different locale (every operating system has a way to change these). In the bug report, Andras Timar mentions that, once the Installer has started in a specific language, then it is not possible to switch the messages of the installer in another language. I can think of a few workarounds, such as an additional multilingual installer, that offers to select the installer language and then will run the normal installer with our selected language settings. Any workaround requires some thinking so as not to interfere with the common case where we want the language to be autodetected. 4. For some cases it might be beneficial to build installation packages that show messages in a specific language only. That is, create installers that have the language hard-coded in them, which also include all relevant material for a language (spelling, etc). It is possible to do such a thing. That is, set up the software building environment that will automatically build installation packages for specific languages. Simos -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: l10n+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Missing translation in HR
Hi Mihovil, Le 05/08/2014 14:54, Sérgio Marques a écrit : 2014-08-05 12:38 GMT+01:00 Mihovil Stanić mihovil.sta...@gmail.com: Using LO 4.3.0.3 and that there are no translated strings in Paste special menu. (right click on any cell, and Paste special...) I dont´t have any strings in English. Maybe locales mentioned have the problem? Regards There were some changes here from 4.2 and some of those strings are untranslated (was 100% translated), but not all. Half of menu string should be translated and other half should be english, but I see everything in english (on HR locale, croatian). Is there some bug or LO is waiting for 100% translation to show all translated strings? I don't have the problem also in French, all strings are translated. Cheers Sophie -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: l10n+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Missing translation in HR
Just 1 locale is mentioned, mine. :) Croatian - hr locale Anyway, I translated all strings I could find connected to that menu and pivot table menu, and will wait 4.3.1 to see if they will show up. Best regards, Mihovil 5.8.2014. u 15:13, Sophie je napisao/la: Hi Mihovil, Le 05/08/2014 14:54, Sérgio Marques a écrit : 2014-08-05 12:38 GMT+01:00 Mihovil Stanić mihovil.sta...@gmail.com: I dont´t have any strings in English. Maybe locales mentioned have the problem? Regards I don't have the problem also in French, all strings are translated. Cheers Sophie -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: l10n+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
