[libreoffice-l10n] Akbot for Croatian

2014-01-14 Thread Krunoslav Šebetić

Hi,

Some moths ago somebody asked if there are volunteers for moderating 
Aksbot in there own languages. I answered, got a account on Transifex 
and even translated Askbot.


But thing is that I have no privileges to submit translations, only to 
suggest. Can somebody grant me permission to submit translations as I'm 
the only one who's doing translations for that? I would like to re-check 
(and improve) Aksbot translation.


I would like to now is there any progress with that Askbot project.

I apologize if I missed relevant mail on this subject but l10n has a 
quite a lot of traffic.


Kruno


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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Askbot for LibreOffice in your language

2013-10-04 Thread Krunoslav Šebetić
I'm willing to do it for Croatian - what should be my next move? Signup 
to Transifex and translate Askbot?


Thanks, Kruno

On 10/03/2013 10:27 AM, Olivier Hallot wrote:

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Hi Community (cross-posting on purpose)

We are in position to deploy AskBot for LibreOffice (AB4LO) in many
languages.

Those individuals interested to moderate the Askbot for LibreOffice in
his own language are invited to step forward.

(We will not deploy an AB4LO instance without at least one moderator.)

My experience as moderator for AB4LO in pt-BR is less than 5 minutes
/day, and the rate of new questions is about 2 new question/days and 2
new answers/day. Your mileage may vary, depending on how active is your
national/language community. As example, you can check the pt-BR site at

http://ask.libreoffice.org/pt-br/questions/

Note: I had to complete the translation of the AB4LO web interface
myself. I had to get a login in transifex and finish the job. Other
languages are in incomplete state too. The list of available languages
is at this link:

https://www.transifex.com/projects/p/askbot/

You may coordinate with your translator to get it completed.

Why AskBot ?

* There were several demands to deploy means of community
intercommunication other than mailing list.

* To get help thru mailing list, the process is to subscribe/confirm
subscription/write mail to ask/wait response/get flood of unwanted other
messages/unsubscribe/confirm unsubscription. This is too much 1990'ish.

* AB4LO allows you to quickly ask for help, and get responses from your
community. Unlike forums, AB4LO is aimed to establish a knowledge base
on LibreOffice in your language and provides tools to search for a given
subject quickly.

* AB4LO is not suited to debates and discussions. Prefer the mailing
lists for that purpose.

* Askbot also allows you to login thru your OpenId credentials, such as
Facebook, Google, Twitter, etc... Chances are that your users will use
it frequently.

* You also don't get e-mails unless you ask for in your profile.

*My experience with AB4LO in pt-BR*

As I said, I get 5 minute work as moderator. Most of the job is to edit
the question and put in a format of a question seeking answers. I also
narrow the tags for a better search. Sometimes people put Basic code in
the details and I care to have it well rendered with the internal AB4LO
editor tool.

I had to close some questions on subjects unrelated to LibreOffice.
Almost no spam so far.

Some answers had to be demoted to comment and some comments had to be
promoted to answer.

The kind of questions asked has a good indication on the difficulties
users have with LO and tells a lot about the user and the community.

As moderator, you are not obliged to answers users questions.

We strongly advertize Askbot for LibreOffice in many of our local
communications.

So, what are you waiting for? Get AB4LO now!!!

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Understanding the hunspell

2013-07-29 Thread Krunoslav Šebetić

The second field in the header of a suffix class means only allowed
combination with prefix flags (from a class with similar allowed
prefix-suffix combination), so your first example will work (with
syntax corrections) well:

FLAG long
SFX A1 Y 1
SFX A1 0 a .

SFX A2 Y 1
SFX A2 0 e .


Just to see if I got it right, hunspell will not try to combine suffixes 
(A1 + A2) but only add declared ones to a .dic entery.


In example above, there is only one FLAG long, so it needs to be put 
only once in .aff file, before firs SFX?



Only in space separated form, and in LibreOffice this is only for
better suggestions.


What about entery in .dic like (in one row):

Word1/C2 Word2/C2


No, there is that autocorrect list in the file DocumentList.xml of
acor_hr-HR.dat ZIP archive.


Will find that, it's not in bundle I've downloaded...


Thanks,

Kruno

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Understanding the hunspell

2013-07-29 Thread Krunoslav Šebetić

On 07/29/2013 08:49 AM, Krunoslav Šebetić wrote:

The second field in the header of a suffix class means only allowed
combination with prefix flags (from a class with similar allowed
prefix-suffix combination), so your first example will work (with
syntax corrections) well:

FLAG long
SFX A1 Y 1
SFX A1 0 a .

SFX A2 Y 1
SFX A2 0 e .


Just to see if I got it right, hunspell will not try to combine 
suffixes (A1 + A2) but only add declared ones to a .dic entery.



Think I got it, the in .aff I should put

FLAG long
SFX A1 N 1
SFX A1 0 a .

and then suffixes will not combine mutually.

And also in

SFX A1 0 a e

SFX stands for suffix, A1 is the flag, 0 stands for no striping, a 
standrs for add 'a' , and e is condition: if word ends with e?


Just need a confirmation...




In example above, there is only one FLAG long, so it needs to be put 
only once in .aff file, before firs SFX?



Only in space separated form, and in LibreOffice this is only for
better suggestions.


What about entery in .dic like (in one row):

Word1/C2 Word2/C2


No, there is that autocorrect list in the file DocumentList.xml of
acor_hr-HR.dat ZIP archive.


Will find that, it's not in bundle I've downloaded...


Thanks,

Kruno



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[libreoffice-l10n] Understanding the hunspell

2013-07-27 Thread Krunoslav Šebetić

Hi,

I'm not sure if I'm doing it right by sending this mail do l10n, but 
hopping someone will point me to right direction. Even tried to 
subscribe to hunspell mailing list, but with no success.


I've done reading Hunspell help/documentation pdf from the internet but 
still have few questions. From what stands in that document I can't be 
certain in some specific things which are actually very important when 
we talk about morphology of highly flective language like Croatian.


Here we go:

Let's say that .aff contain:

FLAG long
SFX Y A1 1
SFX Y 0 a .

FLAG long
SFX Y A2 1
SFX Y A2 0 e .

Now, A1 and A2 needs to be applied to word jezik (eng. language). So 
if .dic file contain jezik/A1 I should expect forms like jezik and 
jezika. If .dic file contain entery like jezik/A2 expected forms are 
jezik, jezike, but if the entery is


jezik/A1A2

I can expect forms like jezik, jezika, jezike, but will hunspell 
try to combine A1 and A2 together like jezikae or jezikea? Form 
jezikae and jezikea are not valid in Croatian. I know it can be 
prevented by doing


FLAG long
SFX Y A2 1
SFX Y A2 0 e [^a]

but question is - will hunspell combine (aglutinate) suffixes if suffix 
statements doesn't prevent it explicitly (and allows it implicitly)? 
Wasn't able to solve this by reading the manual from 
http://hunspell.sourceforge.net nor by looking into other .aff files 
from git repository.


Also if .dic file contains only form PDF will the word pdf in LO be 
underlined as misspelled? Can .dic file contain two words in one line?


Further more - have trouble with understanding the REP section in .aff 
file. Can I do:


REP 1
Plitvička_Jezera Plitvička_jezera

will that automatically correct capital letter in word Jezera?

I hope someone will give me a hand here...

Kruno

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Re: Sending to Master document with a local settings

2013-07-25 Thread Krunoslav Šebetić

On 07/25/2013 06:36 PM, Sophie wrote:

Le 24/07/2013 17:50, Thomas Hackert a écrit :

Hello Krunoslav, *,
On Mittwoch, 24. Juli 2013 17:27 Krunoslav Šebetić wrote:

On 07/24/2013 05:19 PM, Sérgio Marques wrote:

2013/7/24 Krunoslav Šebetić kruno0...@gmail.com
mailto:kruno0...@gmail.com

 What platform you use, Debian Wheezy here, LO versio 4.0.4.2.
 Mihovil mailed me and there is no problem with 4.1rc4, at
 least he doesn't.

I´m on Win 7 with 4.0.4


I can confirm it with Debian Testing AMD64 and parallel installed
Germanophone version of LO Version: 4.1.0.4
Build ID: 89ea49ddacd9aa532507cbf852f2bb22b1ace28 ... :(


Report as 4.0 branch bug. We still have 2 more releases. (or not
cause it seems fixed in 4.1)



It is fixed in 4.1, but it is long way to 4.0.6, at least to 4.1.1
(since 4.1.0 has few it's own bugs...)


No, it isn't .. .:( I got the message Das Dokument konnte nicht
erzeugt werden. (something like The document could not be created
or such ... ;) ).


https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=67260


I have added my comment to the bug and set it to new.


I've the same version as yours but can't reproduce with FR UI. I'm 
going to comment the issue too.


Cheers
Sophie




Hm, we don't have master document always translated equally and I 
wonder can that be the problem? Does German version has the same situation?


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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Re: Re: Sending to Master document with a local settings

2013-07-25 Thread Krunoslav Šebetić

On 07/25/2013 07:20 PM, Thomas Hackert wrote:

Hello Krunoslav, *,
On Donnerstag, 25. Juli 2013 18:43 Krunoslav Šebetić wrote:

On 07/25/2013 06:36 PM, Sophie wrote:

Le 24/07/2013 17:50, Thomas Hackert a écrit :

On Mittwoch, 24. Juli 2013 17:27 Krunoslav Šebetić wrote:

On 07/24/2013 05:19 PM, Sérgio Marques wrote:

2013/7/24 Krunoslav Šebetić kruno0...@gmail.com
mailto:kruno0...@gmail.com

snip

I can confirm it with Debian Testing AMD64 and parallel
installed Germanophone version of LO Version: 4.1.0.4
Build ID: 89ea49ddacd9aa532507cbf852f2bb22b1ace28 ... :(


Report as 4.0 branch bug. We still have 2 more releases. (or
not cause it seems fixed in 4.1)

It is fixed in 4.1, but it is long way to 4.0.6, at least to
4.1.1 (since 4.1.0 has few it's own bugs...)

No, it isn't .. .:( I got the message Das Dokument konnte nicht
erzeugt werden. (something like The document could not be
created or such ... ;) ).


https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=67260

I have added my comment to the bug and set it to new.

I've the same version as yours but can't reproduce with FR UI.
I'm going to comment the issue too.


Hm, we don't have master document always translated equally and
I wonder can that be the problem? Does German version has the same
situation?

What do you mean with translated equally? That you have translated
it differently in your language? If so, not as far as I know ... ;)
Thomas.



Previous translators translated master document as nadzorni 
dokument, we did were translating as glavni dokument, we are aware 
that it should be corrected - and we will. :D I know German is quite 
different from Croatian ;)


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[libreoffice-l10n] Sending to Master document with a local settings

2013-07-24 Thread Krunoslav Šebetić

Hi,

Have problem with sending opened file do a master document if using 
croatian UI. If local settings, and UI are set to croatian, when using 
File - Send - To master document (in Croatian menu not on English as 
posted here) error is shown: Master document can not be saved (again, in 
Croatian, not English).


If I change user interface to English, every thing works fine.

Can tell what's wrong but thought should post it here so other local 
teams can check it to...


Kruno

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[libreoffice-l10n] Re: Sending to Master document with a local settings

2013-07-24 Thread Krunoslav Šebetić

On 07/24/2013 01:32 PM, Krunoslav Šebetić wrote:


Can tell what's wrong but thought should post it here so other local 
teams can check it to...




_Can't_ tell what's...

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Sending to Master document with a local settings

2013-07-24 Thread Krunoslav Šebetić

Ok, I'm making it now, I'll post the bugzilla link here...


On 07/24/2013 04:59 PM, Sérgio Marques wrote:

It happens to me also.

You should make a bug report.

Regards

2013/7/24 Krunoslav Šebetić kruno0...@gmail.com 
mailto:kruno0...@gmail.com


Hi,

Have problem with sending opened file do a master document if
using croatian UI. If local settings, and UI are set to croatian,
when using File - Send - To master document (in Croatian menu not
on English as posted here) error is shown: Master document can not
be saved (again, in Croatian, not English).

If I change user interface to English, every thing works fine.

Can tell what's wrong but thought should post it here so other
local teams can check it to...

Kruno

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Sending to Master document with a local settings

2013-07-24 Thread Krunoslav Šebetić
What platform you use, Debian Wheezy here, LO versio 4.0.4.2. Mihovil 
mailed me and there is no problem with 4.1rc4, at least he doesn't.



On 07/24/2013 05:14 PM, Krunoslav Šebetić wrote:

Ok, I'm making it now, I'll post the bugzilla link here...


On 07/24/2013 04:59 PM, Sérgio Marques wrote:

It happens to me also.

You should make a bug report.

Regards

2013/7/24 Krunoslav Šebetić kruno0...@gmail.com 
mailto:kruno0...@gmail.com


Hi,

Have problem with sending opened file do a master document if
using croatian UI. If local settings, and UI are set to croatian,
when using File - Send - To master document (in Croatian menu not
on English as posted here) error is shown: Master document can
not be saved (again, in Croatian, not English).

If I change user interface to English, every thing works fine.

Can tell what's wrong but thought should post it here so other
local teams can check it to...

Kruno

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Sending to Master document with a local settings

2013-07-24 Thread Krunoslav Šebetić

On 07/24/2013 05:19 PM, Sérgio Marques wrote:



2013/7/24 Krunoslav Šebetić kruno0...@gmail.com 
mailto:kruno0...@gmail.com


What platform you use, Debian Wheezy here, LO versio 4.0.4.2.
Mihovil mailed me and there is no problem with 4.1rc4, at least he
doesn't.


I´m on Win 7 with 4.0.4

Report as 4.0 branch bug. We still have 2 more releases. (or not cause 
it seems fixed in 4.1)


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It is fixed in 4.1, but it is long way to 4.0.6, at least to 4.1.1 
(since 4.1.0 has few it's own bugs...)


https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=67260

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Fwd: Re: issue 67093: mix between Title and Header in various l10n

2013-07-23 Thread Krunoslav Šebetić

On 07/23/2013 07:58 AM, Christian Lohmaier wrote:

Hi *,

On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 7:52 AM, Mihovil Stanic
mihovil.sta...@gmail.com wrote:

Changed Heading from Naslov to Glavni naslov and marked it fuzzy so I
know to return it back when this gets fixed.
Title keept old translation Naslov.

FYI: in an old copy of the translation hr used
hr/sw/source/ui/utlui.po-msgstr Zaglavlje
hr/sw/source/ui/utlui.po-msgstr Naslov
Well now we have Zaglavlje for Header, it's not a syle and maybe it 
can be reused for styles to but  we try to be consistent in terminology, 
I like Mihovil's solution more. Think that Zaglavlje is not a way to go.


Kruno

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[libreoffice-l10n] mix between Title and Header in various l10n - veto thing

2013-07-23 Thread Krunoslav Šebetić

On 07/23/2013 01:03 PM, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
I like the idea of a veto but only if it's used for when a particular language has had it's 
translations broken or corrupted in some way.  Obviously the example of French was a 
bit daft because the French translation is always excellent.  However, it's difficult to see a good 
example of when a veto might be needed or might have been good.  You always seem to fix any 
problems.  Perhaps having a formal veto option written up as a rule might encourage the 
very problem it's trying to forestall?
Regards from
Tom :)


Is it possible to just send an announce mail to the announcement list 
and worn translator to check their translations and then pool fixed 
translations from Pootle before official rc, so that all languages can 
get valid (the bug free) release?


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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] mix between Title and Header in various l10n - veto thing

2013-07-23 Thread Krunoslav Šebetić

On 07/23/2013 01:53 PM, Krunoslav Šebetić wrote:

On 07/23/2013 01:45 PM, Sérgio Marques wrote:



2013/7/23 Krunoslav Šebetić kruno0...@gmail.com 
mailto:kruno0...@gmail.com


On 07/23/2013 01:03 PM, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
I like the idea of a veto but only if it's used for when a
particular language has had it's translations broken or
corrupted in some way.  Obviously the example of French was
a bit daft because the French translation is always
excellent.  However, it's difficult to see a good example of
when a veto might be needed or might have been good.  You
always seem to fix any problems.  Perhaps having a formal
veto option written up as a rule might encourage the very
problem it's trying to forestall?
Regards from
Tom :)


Is it possible to just send an announce mail to the announcement
list and worn translator to check their translations and then
pool fixed translations from Pootle before official rc, so that
all languages can get valid (the bug free) release?



Usually when there are translation conflicts, Andras used to send a 
message.


If he didn´t do it, I suppose that all merge went fine, isn´t it?



I'm fallowing this list for a few years but wasn't active till now, 
and I'm not sure how it merged but bug is there.


Also:

If the only problem is same translation for Heading and Title my
proposal is change only Title to Document Title. The other should stay
as is.
I don't think that anything should be changed in english LO strings, 
if original differs heading from title, translators should be careful 
about that, it can not be translated the same.


We also have problem with that - it's only our fault...



It just can be two identical strings in same part/feature of the same 
module of LO, maybe in different parts, features or modules, but can't 
have two the same heading titles. I'm not sure is that even a bug...



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[libreoffice-l10n] When commits to Pootle can be visible?

2013-07-22 Thread Krunoslav Šebetić

Hi,

when commits to Poolte can be visible i actual user interface - in daily 
builds or rc-s?


thanks,

kruno

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] [BUG] Fomula SYD description

2013-07-21 Thread Krunoslav Šebetić

On 07/20/2013 06:31 PM, Mirosław Zalewski wrote:
Personally, I favor precise and hermetic language. People who need 
certain information will understand; people who don't, they don't care.


That's elitism and is wrong, really wrong.

Precision doesn't mean it has to be hermetic. People how know, don't 
need help. Don't you find contradictory to write _help_ in hermetic 
language? I'm not Calc user, but sometimes I do use it - and help witch 
doesn't help is worthless.


Bunch of (techno)babble is hard to translete (even impossible 
sometimes), and hermetic _help_ can't really help user who is not 
skilled in English. If you have something which is hard to translate and 
understand in original is something which no one can benefit from.


I know you didn't meant anything wrong, it's just a concern from part 
time Calc user.


Sincerely,

Krunoslav

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[libreoffice-l10n] license statement

2013-07-19 Thread Krunoslav Šebetić

Hi,

I'm happy that my first contribution to the code base went ok. I just wonna to 
say thaks to Eike, and I'm posting here something to make it as it should be.


All of my past  future contributions to LibreOffice may be licensed 
under the MPLv2/LGPLv3+ dual license.

Kruno


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[libreoffice-l10n] Croatian dictionary

2013-07-17 Thread Krunoslav Šebetić

Hi,

I've downloaded croatian dictionary from 
http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/dictionaries/commit/?id=e30cae6efb29bc1b0909e02994c5d9ca6d475ca4


Few months (maybe even a year) ago I've collected some words and mailed 
them to the author on a mail present in that git page. Never got a 
replay. Found another mail from that author - never got replay even from 
that second mail.


Now I wont to do it myself but need some help: how I need to set my text 
editor? I use Kwrite from KDE desktop enviroment and _it is_ set to 
utf-8, but faillback encoding is set to ISO 8859-15, guess that for 
Croatian I need 8859-2 is that correnct?


Is it safe to leave end of the line encoding to Unix/Linux or should 
change it to Windows? Encoding detection properties is set to Universal; 
there is bunch other languages but non of them is Croatian.


When I open file in Kwrite some Croatian specific letters are presented 
wrong.


Thanks,

Kruno

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[libreoffice-l10n] Askbot translation

2013-07-13 Thread Krunoslav Šebetić

 Hi,

not shure what to do with some Askbot strings:
https://translations.documentfoundation.org/hr/askbot/translate.html#page=2

On Pootle string has tri boxes (for singular, dual and plural), but I'm 
not translating online, using Poedit. When download .po files, Poedit 
does not recognize all three forms, just two of them: Form 0 and Form 1.


Since this is not a Poedit mailing list, I wonder why downloaded .po 
file has only msgstr[0]  and msgstr[1] ? Can I manualy add msgstr[2] 
 to a django.po file?


Next what I need to know what is a purpose of d in %(max_tags)d? 
Should that be unchanged in translation or should be translated? Samo 
thing with s outside the brackets in %(tags)s 
(https://translations.documentfoundation.org/hr/askbot/translate.html#unit=41139275)...


Krunoslav

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[libreoffice-l10n] Punctuation mark in some english strings

2013-07-04 Thread Krunoslav Šebetić

Hi,

I think there are two bad english strings:

https://translations.documentfoundation.org/hr/libo_ui/translate.html#filter=checks,endpuncunit=29766850

https://translations.documentfoundation.org/hr/libo_ui/translate.html#filter=checks,endpuncunit=29766694

Is there any reason for having dot in brackets and not on the end of 
line? Can we omit that dot in translation?



Krunoslav


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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Localization testing

2013-05-10 Thread Krunoslav Šebetić

On 05/09/2013 09:46 PM, Коростіль Данило wrote:

Thanks anyway!

Hope there are some more people who do it and will share their 
experience. It's very exciting to compile LO for every minor changes.

Fedora 18, 64-bit. I took build files from
http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/cgit/libreoffice.git/
and adapted by replacing translation files for my language with
the fresh version. I can share the build script, but it is too simple.
I have disabled the builds for now though, because I am not currently 
actively

translating LibreOffice.

PS: I also have tried to build LibreOffice for openSUSE using the 
Build Studio
(at build.opensuse.org) but it takes like eternity to complete the 
build there.


On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 9:28 PM, Коростіль Данило
ted.korosti...@gmail.com wrote:

Hi, thanks for the response!

What the Linux distribution do you use?


Hi, you mean, you want to test translations right away?

I have asked similar question back in January, but what I ended up 
with,

is that I've setup a nightly builds for the Linux distribution I use.

On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 8:54 PM, Коростіль Данило
ted.korosti...@gmail.com wrote:

Hi folks,

Is it a way to test localization from pootle files? Or do you test 
only

release candidate versions?

Instruction is needed for linux, but for windows OSes would be 
fine as

well.

Sorry if it's the silly question.



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I wonder if it's posible to coplile LO from source and copile 
translation trought Poedit or Vitaal to .mo files. Is it posible to do 
it that way?


Kruno

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