subject:"\[libreoffice\-l10n\] Basic tool to detect duplicate use of accelerator keys in menus"

Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Basic tool to detect duplicate use of accelerator keys in menus

2015-11-20 Thread Rhoslyn Prys

Has anyone got this to work? It could be handy.
I checked the latest build:
libreoffice-5-0~2015-11-11_12.42.14_LibreOfficeDev_5.0.4.0.0_Win_x86_en-US_de_ar_ja_ru_qtz.msi

and then Tools>Options>User Interface but no qtz.
Any suggestions?
Rhos

Ar 07/10/2015 08:57, ysgrifennodd Niklas Johansson:

No the macro document from before should work, the change is in
LibreOffice.
I haven't back ported the patch to 5.0 yet waiting a bit to see if my
follow-up

patch gets pushed first. Plus I'm a bit short on time at the moment. ;)
But I will likely ask for a back port in the following week or so.

Regards,
Niklas Johansson

Den 2015-10-07 kl. 09:16, skrev Baurzhan Muftakhidinov:

Hi,
Do you have updated macros, or is it still the same? When do you think
your patch will enter regular release, wIll it make to 5.0.x?

Thanks,

On Wed, Oct 7, 2015 at 12:07 PM, Niklas Johansson
wrote:
Last Friday my first patch towards this issue got pushed, so now the
tool

should
work on the master branch, even for non ascii characters.

I did a test with the tool on the language Kazakh, you'll find the
report

below.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/d1yguco1u2w0s6c/Kazakh%20-%20Accelerator%20key%20check%20report.odt?dl=1

Regards,
Niklas Johansson

Den 2015-09-24 kl. 14:12, skrev Baurzhan Muftakhidinov:

Well done, Niklas!
Although It looks like for Cyrillic locales accelerators are not
being put

to result correctly, all I see is little rectangles instead of actual
accellerator letters.
Latin letters are being processed correctly.

Thanks,

On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 4:39 PM, Niklas Johansson
wrote:

Hi Michael

Well this is not as big a problem as you make it. Basically you
open the
document I sent a link to earlier. The UI language of LibreOffice
should

be
set to the language that you want to check. Generate the report,
which

will
list all menus and sub-menus and highlight the problematic menu
entries.
Save the file and change the UI language to KeyID and reopen the
report

there. Now you can easily find the exact string in Pootle.

Let me know if you do not know what KeyID is and how to use it.

/Niklas

2015-09-24 11:29 GMT+02:00 Michael Bauer :

Hi Niklas,

This has often been debated but I don't think anything ever
happened.

The
main issue with any such tool is that unless it links to the
unique UI
string, it's not much help because most of the time there are
like 50
incidences of &Edit and to make matters worse, we have _Edit and
&Edit

type
hotkeys and worse still, if I search for Edit and the string is
E&dit,

it
won't get found.

The summary of previous discussions is that if a locale does not
assign
hotkeys, the system does it automatically - which no one tells
you when

you
start out, and while I'd prefer that for our locale, I don't have
the
resources to strip all existing hotkeys. Other than that, there
are the
usual problems of not knowing the scope (i.e. what other UI
strings are
sharing the menu with said string) and restricted letter sets
(Gaelic

has
18 letters, fewer if you ignore letters with descenders...)

Ideally I think we'd need a tool which during localization flags
"Duplicated hotkey in menu scope" + list of strings in scope.
And/or a

tool
that allows locales which do not want to assign hotkeys manually to
strip
them all from the existing files so the system can automatically
deal

with
the issue.

Michael

Sgrìobh Niklas Johansson na leanas 24/09/2015 aig 10:01:

After thinking a bit about it I instead decided to write a small
tool in
basic that uses the accessibility interfaces to traverse the
menus and

print a report in Writer. This makes it possible to run from Linux,
Windows
and even on Mac. You'll find some more information on how to use
the

tool
in the document below (also containing the relevant macros).

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Basic tool to detect duplicate use of accelerator keys in menus

2015-10-07 Thread Niklas Johansson

No the macro document from before should work, the change is in LibreOffice.
I haven't back ported the patch to 5.0 yet waiting a bit to see if my
follow-up

patch gets pushed first. Plus I'm a bit short on time at the moment. ;)
But I will likely ask for a back port in the following week or so.

Regards,
Niklas Johansson

Den 2015-10-07 kl. 09:16, skrev Baurzhan Muftakhidinov:

Hi,
Do you have updated macros, or is it still the same? When do you think
your patch will enter regular release, wIll it make to 5.0.x?

Thanks,

On Wed, Oct 7, 2015 at 12:07 PM, Niklas Johansson
wrote:

Last Friday my first patch towards this issue got pushed, so now the tool
should
work on the master branch, even for non ascii characters.

I did a test with the tool on the language Kazakh, you'll find the report
below.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/d1yguco1u2w0s6c/Kazakh%20-%20Accelerator%20key%20check%20report.odt?dl=1

Regards,
Niklas Johansson

Den 2015-09-24 kl. 14:12, skrev Baurzhan Muftakhidinov:

Well done, Niklas!
Although It looks like for Cyrillic locales accelerators are not being put
to result correctly, all I see is little rectangles instead of actual
accellerator letters.
Latin letters are being processed correctly.

Thanks,

On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 4:39 PM, Niklas Johansson
wrote:

Hi Michael

Well this is not as big a problem as you make it. Basically you open the
document I sent a link to earlier. The UI language of LibreOffice should
be
set to the language that you want to check. Generate the report, which
will
list all menus and sub-menus and highlight the problematic menu entries.
Save the file and change the UI language to KeyID and reopen the report
there. Now you can easily find the exact string in Pootle.

Let me know if you do not know what KeyID is and how to use it.

/Niklas

2015-09-24 11:29 GMT+02:00 Michael Bauer :

Hi Niklas,

This has often been debated but I don't think anything ever happened.
The
main issue with any such tool is that unless it links to the unique UI
string, it's not much help because most of the time there are like 50
incidences of &Edit and to make matters worse, we have _Edit and &Edit
type
hotkeys and worse still, if I search for Edit and the string is E&dit,
it
won't get found.

The summary of previous discussions is that if a locale does not assign
hotkeys, the system does it automatically - which no one tells you when
you
start out, and while I'd prefer that for our locale, I don't have the
resources to strip all existing hotkeys. Other than that, there are the
usual problems of not knowing the scope (i.e. what other UI strings are
sharing the menu with said string) and restricted letter sets (Gaelic
has
18 letters, fewer if you ignore letters with descenders...)

Ideally I think we'd need a tool which during localization flags
"Duplicated hotkey in menu scope" + list of strings in scope. And/or a
tool
that allows locales which do not want to assign hotkeys manually to
strip
them all from the existing files so the system can automatically deal
with
the issue.

Michael

Sgrìobh Niklas Johansson na leanas 24/09/2015 aig 10:01:

After thinking a bit about it I instead decided to write a small tool in

basic that uses the accessibility interfaces to traverse the menus and
print a report in Writer. This makes it possible to run from Linux,
Windows
and even on Mac. You'll find some more information on how to use the
tool
in the document below (also containing the relevant macros).

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Basic tool to detect duplicate use of accelerator keys in menus

2015-10-07 Thread Baurzhan Muftakhidinov

Hi,
Do you have updated macros, or is it still the same? When do you think
your patch will enter regular release, wIll it make to 5.0.x?

Thanks,

On Wed, Oct 7, 2015 at 12:07 PM, Niklas Johansson
 wrote:
> Last Friday my first patch towards this issue got pushed, so now the tool
> should
> work on the master branch, even for non ascii characters.
>
> I did a test with the tool on the language Kazakh, you'll find the report
> below.
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/d1yguco1u2w0s6c/Kazakh%20-%20Accelerator%20key%20check%20report.odt?dl=1
>
> Regards,
> Niklas Johansson
>
>
> Den 2015-09-24 kl. 14:12, skrev Baurzhan Muftakhidinov:
>>
>> Well done, Niklas!
>> Although It looks like for Cyrillic locales accelerators are not being put
>> to result correctly, all I see is little rectangles instead of actual
>> accellerator letters.
>> Latin letters are being processed correctly.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 4:39 PM, Niklas Johansson
>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Michael
>>>
>>> Well this is not as big a problem as you make it. Basically you open the
>>> document I sent a link to earlier. The UI language of LibreOffice should
>>> be
>>> set to the language that you want to check. Generate the report, which
>>> will
>>> list all menus and sub-menus and highlight the problematic menu entries.
>>> Save the file and change the UI language to KeyID and reopen the report
>>> there. Now you can easily find the exact string in Pootle.
>>>
>>> Let me know if you do not know what KeyID is and how to use it.
>>>
>>> /Niklas
>>>
>>> 2015-09-24 11:29 GMT+02:00 Michael Bauer :
>>>
 Hi Niklas,

 This has often been debated but I don't think anything ever happened.
 The
 main issue with any such tool is that unless it links to the unique UI
 string, it's not much help because most of the time there are like 50
 incidences of &Edit and to make matters worse, we have _Edit and &Edit
 type
 hotkeys and worse still, if I search for Edit and the string is E&dit,
 it
 won't get found.

 The summary of previous discussions is that if a locale does not assign
 hotkeys, the system does it automatically - which no one tells you when
 you
 start out, and while I'd prefer that for our locale, I don't have the
 resources to strip all existing hotkeys. Other than that, there are the
 usual problems of not knowing the scope (i.e. what other UI strings are
 sharing the menu with said string) and restricted letter sets (Gaelic
 has
 18 letters, fewer if you ignore letters with descenders...)

 Ideally I think we'd need a tool which during localization flags
 "Duplicated hotkey in menu scope" + list of strings in scope. And/or a
 tool
 that allows locales which do not want to assign hotkeys manually to
 strip
 them all from the existing files so the system can automatically deal
 with
 the issue.

 Michael

 Sgrìobh Niklas Johansson na leanas 24/09/2015 aig 10:01:

 After thinking a bit about it I instead decided to write a small tool in
>
> basic that uses the accessibility interfaces to traverse the menus and
> print a report in Writer. This makes it possible to run from Linux,
> Windows
> and even on Mac. You'll find some more information on how to use the
> tool
> in the document below (also containing the relevant macros).
>
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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Basic tool to detect duplicate use of accelerator keys in menus

2015-10-07 Thread Niklas Johansson

Last Friday my first patch towards this issue got pushed, so now the
tool should

work on the master branch, even for non ascii characters.

I did a test with the tool on the language Kazakh, you'll find the
report below.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/d1yguco1u2w0s6c/Kazakh%20-%20Accelerator%20key%20check%20report.odt?dl=1

Regards,
Niklas Johansson

Den 2015-09-24 kl. 14:12, skrev Baurzhan Muftakhidinov:

Thanks,

On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 4:39 PM, Niklas Johansson
wrote:

Hi Michael

Well this is not as big a problem as you make it. Basically you open the
document I sent a link to earlier. The UI language of LibreOffice should be
set to the language that you want to check. Generate the report, which will
list all menus and sub-menus and highlight the problematic menu entries.
Save the file and change the UI language to KeyID and reopen the report
there. Now you can easily find the exact string in Pootle.

Let me know if you do not know what KeyID is and how to use it.

/Niklas

2015-09-24 11:29 GMT+02:00 Michael Bauer :

Hi Niklas,

This has often been debated but I don't think anything ever happened. The
main issue with any such tool is that unless it links to the unique UI
string, it's not much help because most of the time there are like 50
incidences of &Edit and to make matters worse, we have _Edit and &Edit type
hotkeys and worse still, if I search for Edit and the string is E&dit, it
won't get found.

The summary of previous discussions is that if a locale does not assign
hotkeys, the system does it automatically - which no one tells you when you
start out, and while I'd prefer that for our locale, I don't have the
resources to strip all existing hotkeys. Other than that, there are the
usual problems of not knowing the scope (i.e. what other UI strings are
sharing the menu with said string) and restricted letter sets (Gaelic has
18 letters, fewer if you ignore letters with descenders...)

Ideally I think we'd need a tool which during localization flags
"Duplicated hotkey in menu scope" + list of strings in scope. And/or a tool
that allows locales which do not want to assign hotkeys manually to strip
them all from the existing files so the system can automatically deal with
the issue.

Michael

Sgrìobh Niklas Johansson na leanas 24/09/2015 aig 10:01:

After thinking a bit about it I instead decided to write a small tool in

basic that uses the accessibility interfaces to traverse the menus and
print a report in Writer. This makes it possible to run from Linux,
Windows
and even on Mac. You'll find some more information on how to use the tool
in the document below (also containing the relevant macros).

--
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Facs: +44-141-945 2701

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Basic tool to detect duplicate use of accelerator keys in menus

2015-10-07 Thread Niklas Johansson

I created a accelerator key report for KeyID from a master build (a few 
days old though).
That way you can easily compare the reports to find the menu entries in 
Pootle.


https://www.dropbox.com/s/a9pwjonlhnefja8/KeyID%20-%20Accelerator%20key%20check%20report.odt?dl=1

Regards,
Niklas Johansson

Den 2015-10-03 kl. 19:47, skrev Mihovil Stanić:

I'm searching for this, but can't find.
Using Linux Mint, would like to get that language pack to get key IDs.

Your script is working perfectly!

24.09.2015 u 14:42, Niklas Johansson je napisao/la:
The dialy builds of LibreOffice should contain the KeyID version (has 
the

language code qtz)
http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/daily/

/Niklas








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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Basic tool to detect duplicate use of accelerator keys in menus

2015-10-06 Thread Niklas Johansson

Hmm... I should have checked that before posting. I usually just run my 
own build version on Linux,
I just assumed that they would have qtz-builds at least for master, but 
it seems they don't. :(


You can however find qtz-builds of 5.0.0.0.beta3:
https://downloadarchive.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice/old/5.0.0.0.beta3/deb/

The KeyIDs should correspond to what is in LibreOffice 5.

I'll ask on IRC tomorrow if there are any KeyID-builds available for 
Linux as daily builds,

or if not if there could be in the future.

Don't forget do do a parallel install:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Installing_in_parallel/Linux

Regards,
Niklas Johansson

Den 2015-10-03 kl. 19:47, skrev Mihovil Stanić:

I'm searching for this, but can't find.
Using Linux Mint, would like to get that language pack to get key IDs.

Your script is working perfectly!

24.09.2015 u 14:42, Niklas Johansson je napisao/la:
The dialy builds of LibreOffice should contain the KeyID version (has 
the

language code qtz)
http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/daily/

/Niklas








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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Basic tool to detect duplicate use of accelerator keys in menus

2015-10-03 Thread Mihovil Stanić


I'm searching for this, but can't find.
Using Linux Mint, would like to get that language pack to get key IDs.

Your script is working perfectly!

24.09.2015 u 14:42, Niklas Johansson je napisao/la:

The dialy builds of LibreOffice should contain the KeyID version (has the
language code qtz)
http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/daily/

/Niklas





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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Basic tool to detect duplicate use of accelerator keys in menus

2015-09-25 Thread Rhoslyn Prys

Thanks, Serg.

What I've done - twice on two separate computers, is to install both :
master~2015-09-23_05.16.23_LibreOfficeDev_5.1.0.0.alpha1_Win_x86_en-US_de_ar_ja_ru_qtz.msi

and
master~2015-09-23_05.16.23_LibreOfficeDev_5.1.0.0.alpha1_Win_x86_helppack_qtz.msi

Then I've gone to: Tools>Options>Language Settings>Languages>User Interface.

But all I'm seeing in the dropdown menue is English USA. No KeyID, de, ar, ja
or ru or anything else.

The detail on https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Language does not relate to
what's on the server,
I could'nt find files with langpack_qtz in their name, am I using the wrong
files? If so where are the right files?

KeyID

For major versions, KeyID builds are available in alpha and beta
releases. This special build allows to display the KeyID reference of
each string in the menus and dialogs. It is a available as a language
pack, where the language reference is replaced by *qtz* in the version
name (for example
LibreOfficeDev_4.3.0.0.alpha1_Linux_x86-64_deb_langpack_qtz.tar.gz and
LibreOfficeDev_4.2.0.0.beta2_Linux_x86_deb_langpack_qtz.tar.gz).

To install this lang pack:

* download the package
* depending on your system, install it as usual after installing the
main package
* go under Tools ▸ Options ▸ Language Settings ▸ Languages and change
the *User Interface* to *KeyID*
* when you reopen LibreOffice, you can see now the string reference in
front of each menu and dialog

Thanks
Rhos

Ar 25/09/2015 08:23, ysgrifennodd Serg Bormant:

2015-09-24 19:53 GMT+03:00 Rhoslyn Prys :

But I'm only seeing English USA. I'm not seeing KeyID, nor de, ar, ja or ru.
I'm doing something wrong here.
Any suggestions?

Click Tools - Options - Language Settings - Languages,
then select KeyID in User interface dropbox and restart LO.

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Basic tool to detect duplicate use of accelerator keys in menus

2015-09-25 Thread Serg Bormant

2015-09-24 19:53 GMT+03:00 Rhoslyn Prys :
>
> But I'm only seeing English USA. I'm not seeing KeyID, nor de, ar, ja or ru.
> I'm doing something wrong here.
> Any suggestions?

Click Tools - Options - Language Settings - Languages,
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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Basic tool to detect duplicate use of accelerator keys in menus

2015-09-24 Thread Sérgio Marques

Hi Niklas

Will this tool work on fresh builds without keyid?

Regards

2015-09-24 12:39 GMT+01:00 Niklas Johansson :

> Hi Michael
>
> Well this is not as big a problem as you make it. Basically you open the
> document I sent a link to earlier. The UI language of LibreOffice should be
> set to the language that you want to check. Generate the report, which will
> list all menus and sub-menus and highlight the problematic menu entries.
> Save the file and change the UI language to KeyID and reopen the report
> there. Now you can easily find the exact string in Pootle.
>
> Let me know if you do not know what KeyID is and how to use it.
>
> /Niklas
>
> 2015-09-24 11:29 GMT+02:00 Michael Bauer :
>
> > Hi Niklas,
> >
> > This has often been debated but I don't think anything ever happened. The
> > main issue with any such tool is that unless it links to the unique UI
> > string, it's not much help because most of the time there are like 50
> > incidences of &Edit and to make matters worse, we have _Edit and &Edit
> type
> > hotkeys and worse still, if I search for Edit and the string is E&dit, it
> > won't get found.
> >
> > The summary of previous discussions is that if a locale does not assign
> > hotkeys, the system does it automatically - which no one tells you when
> you
> > start out, and while I'd prefer that for our locale, I don't have the
> > resources to strip all existing hotkeys. Other than that, there are the
> > usual problems of not knowing the scope (i.e. what other UI strings are
> > sharing the menu with said string) and restricted letter sets (Gaelic has
> > 18 letters, fewer if you ignore letters with descenders...)
> >
> > Ideally I think we'd need a tool which during localization flags
> > "Duplicated hotkey in menu scope" + list of strings in scope. And/or a
> tool
> > that allows locales which do not want to assign hotkeys manually to strip
> > them all from the existing files so the system can automatically deal
> with
> > the issue.
> >
> > Michael
> >
> > Sgrìobh Niklas Johansson na leanas 24/09/2015 aig 10:01:
> >
> > After thinking a bit about it I instead decided to write a small tool in
> >> basic that uses the accessibility interfaces to traverse the menus and
> >> print a report in Writer. This makes it possible to run from Linux,
> >> Windows
> >> and even on Mac. You'll find some more information on how to use the
> tool
> >> in the document below (also containing the relevant macros).
> >>
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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Basic tool to detect duplicate use of accelerator keys in menus

2015-09-24 Thread Rhoslyn Prys

This is great! Plenty of work to do...

I'm having difficulty getting the KeyID to work, I've identified that
the necessary files may be:
master~2015-09-23_05.16.23_LibreOfficeDev_5.1.0.0.alpha1_Win_x86_en-US_de_ar_ja_ru_qtz.msi

and possibly
master~2015-09-23_05.16.23_LibreOfficeDev_5.1.0.0.alpha1_Win_x86_helppack_qtz.msi

and have installed both and followed the instructions: Tools>Options>Language Settings>Languages>User Interface.

But I'm only seeing English USA. I'm not seeing KeyID, nor de, ar, ja or ru.
I'm doing something wrong here.
Any suggestions?
Rhos

Ar 24/09/2015 13:42, ysgrifennodd Niklas Johansson:

Hello again

A short description of how to use KeyID can be found at:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Language#KeyID

The dialy builds of LibreOffice should contain the KeyID version (has the
language code qtz)
http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/daily/

/Niklas

2015-09-24 14:25 GMT+02:00 Michael Bauer :

I was not aware that it had been implemented, that's good news :)

If you could point me at a page that explains how to KeyID, that would be
great.

Michael

Sgrìobh Niklas Johansson na leanas 24/09/2015 aig 12:39:

Hi Michael

Let me know if you do not know what KeyID is and how to use it.

/Niklas

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Basic tool to detect duplicate use of accelerator keys in menus

2015-09-24 Thread Michael Bauer


Thank you!

Michael

Sgrìobh Niklas Johansson na leanas 24/09/2015 aig 13:42:

A short description of how to use KeyID can be found at:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Language#KeyID

The dialy builds of LibreOffice should contain the KeyID version (has the
language code qtz)
http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/daily/

/Niklas


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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Basic tool to detect duplicate use of accelerator keys in menus

2015-09-24 Thread Niklas Johansson

Hello again

A short description of how to use KeyID can be found at:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Language#KeyID

The dialy builds of LibreOffice should contain the KeyID version (has the
language code qtz)
http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/daily/

/Niklas

2015-09-24 14:25 GMT+02:00 Michael Bauer :

> I was not aware that it had been implemented, that's good news :)
>
> If you could point me at a page that explains how to KeyID, that would be
> great.
>
> Michael
>
> Sgrìobh Niklas Johansson na leanas 24/09/2015 aig 12:39:
>
>> Hi Michael
>>
>> Well this is not as big a problem as you make it. Basically you open the
>> document I sent a link to earlier. The UI language of LibreOffice should
>> be
>> set to the language that you want to check. Generate the report, which
>> will
>> list all menus and sub-menus and highlight the problematic menu entries.
>> Save the file and change the UI language to KeyID and reopen the report
>> there. Now you can easily find the exact string in Pootle.
>>
>> Let me know if you do not know what KeyID is and how to use it.
>>
>> /Niklas
>>
>
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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Basic tool to detect duplicate use of accelerator keys in menus

2015-09-24 Thread Michael Bauer


I was not aware that it had been implemented, that's good news :)

If you could point me at a page that explains how to KeyID, that would 
be great.


Michael

Sgrìobh Niklas Johansson na leanas 24/09/2015 aig 12:39:

Hi Michael

Well this is not as big a problem as you make it. Basically you open the
document I sent a link to earlier. The UI language of LibreOffice should be
set to the language that you want to check. Generate the report, which will
list all menus and sub-menus and highlight the problematic menu entries.
Save the file and change the UI language to KeyID and reopen the report
there. Now you can easily find the exact string in Pootle.

Let me know if you do not know what KeyID is and how to use it.

/Niklas


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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Basic tool to detect duplicate use of accelerator keys in menus

2015-09-24 Thread Baurzhan Muftakhidinov

Well done, Niklas!
Although It looks like for Cyrillic locales accelerators are not being put
to result correctly, all I see is little rectangles instead of actual
accellerator letters.
Latin letters are being processed correctly.

Thanks,

On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 4:39 PM, Niklas Johansson
 wrote:
> Hi Michael
>
> Well this is not as big a problem as you make it. Basically you open the
> document I sent a link to earlier. The UI language of LibreOffice should be
> set to the language that you want to check. Generate the report, which will
> list all menus and sub-menus and highlight the problematic menu entries.
> Save the file and change the UI language to KeyID and reopen the report
> there. Now you can easily find the exact string in Pootle.
>
> Let me know if you do not know what KeyID is and how to use it.
>
> /Niklas
>
> 2015-09-24 11:29 GMT+02:00 Michael Bauer :
>
>> Hi Niklas,
>>
>> This has often been debated but I don't think anything ever happened. The
>> main issue with any such tool is that unless it links to the unique UI
>> string, it's not much help because most of the time there are like 50
>> incidences of &Edit and to make matters worse, we have _Edit and &Edit type
>> hotkeys and worse still, if I search for Edit and the string is E&dit, it
>> won't get found.
>>
>> The summary of previous discussions is that if a locale does not assign
>> hotkeys, the system does it automatically - which no one tells you when you
>> start out, and while I'd prefer that for our locale, I don't have the
>> resources to strip all existing hotkeys. Other than that, there are the
>> usual problems of not knowing the scope (i.e. what other UI strings are
>> sharing the menu with said string) and restricted letter sets (Gaelic has
>> 18 letters, fewer if you ignore letters with descenders...)
>>
>> Ideally I think we'd need a tool which during localization flags
>> "Duplicated hotkey in menu scope" + list of strings in scope. And/or a tool
>> that allows locales which do not want to assign hotkeys manually to strip
>> them all from the existing files so the system can automatically deal with
>> the issue.
>>
>> Michael
>>
>> Sgrìobh Niklas Johansson na leanas 24/09/2015 aig 10:01:
>>
>> After thinking a bit about it I instead decided to write a small tool in
>>> basic that uses the accessibility interfaces to traverse the menus and
>>> print a report in Writer. This makes it possible to run from Linux,
>>> Windows
>>> and even on Mac. You'll find some more information on how to use the tool
>>> in the document below (also containing the relevant macros).
>>>
>>
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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Basic tool to detect duplicate use of accelerator keys in menus

2015-09-24 Thread Niklas Johansson

Hi Michael

Well this is not as big a problem as you make it. Basically you open the
document I sent a link to earlier. The UI language of LibreOffice should be
set to the language that you want to check. Generate the report, which will
list all menus and sub-menus and highlight the problematic menu entries.
Save the file and change the UI language to KeyID and reopen the report
there. Now you can easily find the exact string in Pootle.

Let me know if you do not know what KeyID is and how to use it.

/Niklas

2015-09-24 11:29 GMT+02:00 Michael Bauer :

> Hi Niklas,
>
> This has often been debated but I don't think anything ever happened. The
> main issue with any such tool is that unless it links to the unique UI
> string, it's not much help because most of the time there are like 50
> incidences of &Edit and to make matters worse, we have _Edit and &Edit type
> hotkeys and worse still, if I search for Edit and the string is E&dit, it
> won't get found.
>
> The summary of previous discussions is that if a locale does not assign
> hotkeys, the system does it automatically - which no one tells you when you
> start out, and while I'd prefer that for our locale, I don't have the
> resources to strip all existing hotkeys. Other than that, there are the
> usual problems of not knowing the scope (i.e. what other UI strings are
> sharing the menu with said string) and restricted letter sets (Gaelic has
> 18 letters, fewer if you ignore letters with descenders...)
>
> Ideally I think we'd need a tool which during localization flags
> "Duplicated hotkey in menu scope" + list of strings in scope. And/or a tool
> that allows locales which do not want to assign hotkeys manually to strip
> them all from the existing files so the system can automatically deal with
> the issue.
>
> Michael
>
> Sgrìobh Niklas Johansson na leanas 24/09/2015 aig 10:01:
>
> After thinking a bit about it I instead decided to write a small tool in
>> basic that uses the accessibility interfaces to traverse the menus and
>> print a report in Writer. This makes it possible to run from Linux,
>> Windows
>> and even on Mac. You'll find some more information on how to use the tool
>> in the document below (also containing the relevant macros).
>>
>
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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Basic tool to detect duplicate use of accelerator keys in menus

2015-09-24 Thread Michael Bauer


Hi Niklas,

This has often been debated but I don't think anything ever happened. 
The main issue with any such tool is that unless it links to the unique 
UI string, it's not much help because most of the time there are like 50 
incidences of &Edit and to make matters worse, we have _Edit and &Edit 
type hotkeys and worse still, if I search for Edit and the string is 
E&dit, it won't get found.


The summary of previous discussions is that if a locale does not assign 
hotkeys, the system does it automatically - which no one tells you when 
you start out, and while I'd prefer that for our locale, I don't have 
the resources to strip all existing hotkeys. Other than that, there are 
the usual problems of not knowing the scope (i.e. what other UI strings 
are sharing the menu with said string) and restricted letter sets 
(Gaelic has 18 letters, fewer if you ignore letters with descenders...)


Ideally I think we'd need a tool which during localization flags 
"Duplicated hotkey in menu scope" + list of strings in scope. And/or a 
tool that allows locales which do not want to assign hotkeys manually to 
strip them all from the existing files so the system can automatically 
deal with the issue.


Michael

Sgrìobh Niklas Johansson na leanas 24/09/2015 aig 10:01:

After thinking a bit about it I instead decided to write a small tool in
basic that uses the accessibility interfaces to traverse the menus and
print a report in Writer. This makes it possible to run from Linux, Windows
and even on Mac. You'll find some more information on how to use the tool
in the document below (also containing the relevant macros).


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[libreoffice-l10n] Basic tool to detect duplicate use of accelerator keys in menus

2015-09-24 Thread Niklas Johansson

Hi

During the community meetings of the LibreOffice conference there was a
discussion of accelerator keys in menus and how duplicate use of the same
accelerator key causes accessibility issues. It can be hard when
translating to know if a string is duplicated in a menu or not so I noted
that there are some accessibility checkers that check the menus of programs
for such issues. And promised to send a note here stating what checkers
does.

After thinking a bit about it I instead decided to write a small tool in
basic that uses the accessibility interfaces to traverse the menus and
print a report in Writer. This makes it possible to run from Linux, Windows
and even on Mac. You'll find some more information on how to use the tool
in the document below (also containing the relevant macros).

For the time being you can download the macros from:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/8e703zr5bxny27n/AcceleratorKeyChecker.odt?dl=1

There are some issues such as the tool can't reach submenus that has been
deactivated. But for now this will probably do for most of you.

Regards,
/Niklas

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