Re: [libreoffice-l10n] How does one find specific strings in the po files?
On 16/12/2011, at 10:07 PM, Andras Timar wrote: > Hi Donald, > > 2011/12/16 Donald Rogers : >> Saluton >> >> When LO starts up there is a splash screen with >> "Libreoffice 3 >> The Document Foundation" and a progress worm, >> >> and then another splash screen with >> "Libreoffice 3 >> The Document Foundation >> Text DocumentDrawing..." >> etc, finishing with >> "Open...Templates..." >> >> Is there any documentation on how to find where these strings are in the UI >> po files? >> In the Esperanto version of 3.5.0 beta, the strings "Open... Templates..." >> are untranslated, and I have not succeeded in finding them. I used Pootle to >> search every instance in UI of "Templates" and failed to find any that are >> untranslated. >> > > In general, you can select the KeyID language, read the KeyID and look > for that KeyID in Pootle, but in this particular case it wull not > work, because of > https://www.libreoffice.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=43475 > So, it is a known bug. You probably have those strings translated in Pootle. > > Best regards, > Andras I have tested for this in LOdev 3.5.0beta2 and it works correctly. Thanks to whoever fixed it. donald -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to l10n+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-l10n] How does one find specific strings in the po files?
On 17/12/2011, at 11:16 AM, Olav Dahlum wrote: > On 16/12/11 21:00, Donald Rogers wrote: >> Thanks, Andras >> >> You said in the bug page (below): It happens when you use LibreOffice in >> other language than >> your system locale. >> I always have that situation, and probably most Esperanto speakers would >> have another language that they use. >> >> I don't understand what you mean by "select the KeyID language...". I don't >> know what po-file the strings mentioned are in, so I don't know the KeyID. >> In the drop down list of the search field in Pootle there is an option >> "Locations". Is that where to put (a) known KeyID(s)? >> >> On the matter of searching for a particular string, I found that searching >> for "Open..." is problematic because the search program trims the dots off >> and one cannot specify entire words only, so I got openoffice, OpenGL etc - >> too many hits. Where is the place to propose an enhancement of this type? Do >> you think that it would be useful? >> >> Regards >> Donald >> > > In many cases downloading the tree and parsing it with tools like grep > or similar might be easier. > You also benefit from having a offline compendium for later use, built > from both recent and older > translations. I previously used KBabel, and now its replacement > Lokalize, for offline work. Much > more manageable than translating in Pootle IMHO. I still do the easier > bits directly in Pootle. > E.g Andras updates the files in Pootle, so I don't have to work as I did > in the past, leaving > me more time to translate. > > – Olav Hi I have used KBabel and Lokalize previously too. I currently use gtranslator and download files for editing. The big advantage of all these tools is that if the string, or a very similar one, has been translated before (which is often the case), it pops up in the translation memory field and pressing a Ctrl key combination will copy it into the msgstr. Thanks to all those who have commented. Donald -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to l10n+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-l10n] How does one find specific strings in the po files?
On 18/12/2011, at 12:55 AM, Sérgio Marques wrote: > One thing that would also be useful is the ability of ignore accelerators. > If one wants to find Open and the word is O~pen, the second won´t appear > on the search. > > This is definitely annoying and contra producing. This feature is a must > have for search function. What do You guys think about it? > > >> I think this is already filed as >> http://bugs.locamotion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=327 ? >> >> >> >> > Hi Rimas > > Yes, I´ve already saw this entry but I think that it´s the opposite. The > title says " Ensure that searching in Pootle *takes accelerators into > account" *(my bold) > > With this title I guess (don´t know for sure) that the accelerator must be > taken in order to achieve results. What I meant was " Ensure that > searching in Pootle *don´t* take accelerators into account" > > So when I write Open, O~pen; Op~en and Ope~n appear in search. Or am I > getting this the wrong way? > -- > Sérgio Marques Hello pogrep has an option to cope with accelerators, so it should be possible to use that switch in Pootle search too. "takes accelerators into account" probably means use the pogrep switch for accelerators, which does what you want. It does sound ambiguous, I agree. You could try using pogrep directly, as proposed by Olav Dahlum (2011-12-17) in this thread. I tried it and it is useful. Donald -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to l10n+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-l10n] How does one find specific strings in the po files?
On Sat, Dec 17, 2011 at 12:55 PM, Sérgio Marques wrote: > One thing that would also be useful is the ability of ignore accelerators. > If one wants to find Open and the word is O~pen, the second won´t appear > on the search. > > This is definitely annoying and contra producing. This feature is a must > have for search function. What do You guys think about it? > > >> I think this is already filed as >> http://bugs.locamotion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=327 ? > > Yes, I´ve already saw this entry but I think that it´s the opposite. The > title says " Ensure that searching in Pootle *takes accelerators into > account" *(my bold) Note that this won't be 100% accurate, as LibreOffice assigns mnemonics automatically when they are not set - and there is no way for pootle to know what mnemonic LO did choose... (i.e when searching for ~Open, only return results with ~Open (& no accelerator at all because of the above stated reason), but no results with O~pen or Op~en or Ope~n. However, (and that is stated in the bugreport already): when just searching for "Open" it should return all variants: no accelerator, ~Open, O~pen, Op~en and Ope~n. Whether this is possible depends on the indexer that is being used (or when no indexer is used) - pootle can use lucene and xapian as indexer. Our pootle is using xapian. So the requirements are: * There must be a tokenizer that preserves the mnemonics and doesn't flatten them out (i.e. make Open out of O~pen - O~pen must be stored in the index) * The search must be able to return all matches when no mnemonic is given. This probably is harder, and probably the only way to do is is to search for all possible variants. And this implies that a new option "ignore mnemonics" is needed. This sounds ugly, thus a custom tokenizer that will flattens out the ~ and additionally stores a "MNEMONIC_O~pen" or a similar construct sound cleaner. So searching without mnemonic (the default) will just search the flattened out string (i.e. ~ removed), and when user activates "[x] search mnemonic" it will only find the MNEMONIC_O~pen one (depending on whether ~ is a special character in xapian or not, imagine another character at the corresponding position instead) - it will not return the instances where LO did define the mnemonic. This might as well confuse people, as they see the mnemonic in the UI, and thus expect search for mnemonic to turn it up, but IMHO this is a nicer solution. It is very very hard to please everyone though ciao Christian -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to l10n+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-l10n] How does one find specific strings in the po files?
2011/12/17 Rimas Kudelis
> 2011.12.17 13:55, Sérgio Marques rašė:
>
>> One thing that would also be useful is the ability of ignore accelerators.
>> If one wants to find Open and the word is O~pen, the second won´t appear
>> on the search.
>>
>> This is definitely annoying and contra producing. This feature is a must
>> have for search function. What do You guys think about it?
>>
>>
>> I think this is already filed as
>>> http://bugs.locamotion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=327 ?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Rimas
>>
>> Yes, I´ve already saw this entry but I think that it´s the opposite. The
>> title says " Ensure that searching in Pootle *takes accelerators into
>> account" *(my bold)
>>
>>
>> With this title I guess (don´t know for sure) that the accelerator must be
>> taken in order to achieve results. What I meant was " Ensure that
>> searching in Pootle *don´t* take accelerators into account"
>>
>>
>> So when I write Open, O~pen; Op~en and Ope~n appear in search. Or am I
>> getting this the wrong way?
>>
>
> I think that bug is about both: searching with an accelerator ("O~pen")
> and finding strings with accelerators when searching without them (your
> case). That bug needs some noise though, I guess... :)
>
>
> Rimas
>
You´re probably right. But can You make that noise ;-) ?
I don´t have a locamotion account, so if You could do it I´ll appreciate it.
Thanks and regards
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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] How does one find specific strings in the po files?
2011.12.17 13:55, Sérgio Marques rašė:
One thing that would also be useful is the ability of ignore accelerators.
If one wants to find Open and the word is O~pen, the second won´t appear
on the search.
This is definitely annoying and contra producing. This feature is a must
have for search function. What do You guys think about it?
I think this is already filed as
http://bugs.locamotion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=327 ?
Hi Rimas
Yes, I´ve already saw this entry but I think that it´s the opposite. The
title says " Ensure that searching in Pootle *takes accelerators into
account" *(my bold)
With this title I guess (don´t know for sure) that the accelerator must be
taken in order to achieve results. What I meant was " Ensure that
searching in Pootle *don´t* take accelerators into account"
So when I write Open, O~pen; Op~en and Ope~n appear in search. Or am I
getting this the wrong way?
I think that bug is about both: searching with an accelerator ("O~pen")
and finding strings with accelerators when searching without them (your
case). That bug needs some noise though, I guess... :)
Rimas
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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] How does one find specific strings in the po files?
One thing that would also be useful is the ability of ignore accelerators. If one wants to find Open and the word is O~pen, the second won´t appear on the search. This is definitely annoying and contra producing. This feature is a must have for search function. What do You guys think about it? > I think this is already filed as > http://bugs.locamotion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=327 ? > > > > Hi Rimas Yes, I´ve already saw this entry but I think that it´s the opposite. The title says " Ensure that searching in Pootle *takes accelerators into account" *(my bold) With this title I guess (don´t know for sure) that the accelerator must be taken in order to achieve results. What I meant was " Ensure that searching in Pootle *don´t* take accelerators into account" So when I write Open, O~pen; Op~en and Ope~n appear in search. Or am I getting this the wrong way? -- Sérgio Marques -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to l10n+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-l10n] How does one find specific strings in the po files?
2011.12.17 12:52, Sérgio Marques rašė: 2011/12/17 Rimas Kudelis 2011.12.16 22:00, Donald Rogers rašė: Thanks, Andras You said in the bug page (below): It happens when you use LibreOffice in other language than your system locale. I always have that situation, and probably most Esperanto speakers would have another language that they use. I don't understand what you mean by "select the KeyID language...". I don't know what po-file the strings mentioned are in, so I don't know the KeyID. In the drop down list of the search field in Pootle there is an option "Locations". Is that where to put (a) known KeyID(s)? The "KeyID language" is a pseudo-locale that is available in LibreOffice. AFAIK, it shows all KeyID's in the UI itself. You can choose it in the LibO preferences. HTH Rimas On the matter of searching for a particular string, I found that searching for "Open..." is problematic because the search program trims the dots off and one cannot specify entire words only, so I got openoffice, OpenGL etc - too many hits. Where is the place to propose an enhancement of this type? Do you think that it would be useful? If it would be useful for you, then the answer is definitely yes. The proper place to propose such enhancement would be on Pootle's bugzilla ( bugs.locamotion.org), but if you don't want to create a yet another account, Pootle's developers are watching this list, so they often notice those suggestions even without reporting them (although I would consider filing an enhancement request preferred). Well, I just filed the request for you: http://bugs.locamotion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2079 . Regards, Rimas One thing that would also be useful is the ability of ignore accelerators. If one wants to find Open and the word is O~pen, the second won´t appear on the search. This is definitely annoying and contra producing. This feature is a must have for search function. What do You guys think about it? I think this is already filed as http://bugs.locamotion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=327 ? Rimas -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to l10n+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-l10n] How does one find specific strings in the po files?
2011/12/17 Rimas Kudelis > 2011.12.16 22:00, Donald Rogers rašė: > >> Thanks, Andras >> >> You said in the bug page (below): It happens when you use LibreOffice in >> other language than >> your system locale. >> I always have that situation, and probably most Esperanto speakers would >> have another language that they use. >> >> I don't understand what you mean by "select the KeyID language...". I >> don't know what po-file the strings mentioned are in, so I don't know the >> KeyID. In the drop down list of the search field in Pootle there is an >> option "Locations". Is that where to put (a) known KeyID(s)? >> > > The "KeyID language" is a pseudo-locale that is available in LibreOffice. > AFAIK, it shows all KeyID's in the UI itself. You can choose it in the LibO > preferences. > > HTH > Rimas > > > On the matter of searching for a particular string, I found that >> searching for "Open..." is problematic because the search program trims the >> dots off and one cannot specify entire words only, so I got openoffice, >> OpenGL etc - too many hits. Where is the place to propose an enhancement of >> this type? Do you think that it would be useful? >> > > If it would be useful for you, then the answer is definitely yes. The > proper place to propose such enhancement would be on Pootle's bugzilla ( > bugs.locamotion.org), but if you don't want to create a yet another > account, Pootle's developers are watching this list, so they often notice > those suggestions even without reporting them (although I would consider > filing an enhancement request preferred). Well, I just filed the request > for you: http://bugs.locamotion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2079 . > > Regards, > Rimas > One thing that would also be useful is the ability of ignore accelerators. If one wants to find Open and the word is O~pen, the second won´t appear on the search. This is definitely annoying and contra producing. This feature is a must have for search function. What do You guys think about it? -- Sérgio Marques -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to l10n+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-l10n] How does one find specific strings in the po files?
2011.12.16 22:00, Donald Rogers rašė: Thanks, Andras You said in the bug page (below): It happens when you use LibreOffice in other language than your system locale. I always have that situation, and probably most Esperanto speakers would have another language that they use. I don't understand what you mean by "select the KeyID language...". I don't know what po-file the strings mentioned are in, so I don't know the KeyID. In the drop down list of the search field in Pootle there is an option "Locations". Is that where to put (a) known KeyID(s)? The "KeyID language" is a pseudo-locale that is available in LibreOffice. AFAIK, it shows all KeyID's in the UI itself. You can choose it in the LibO preferences. HTH Rimas On the matter of searching for a particular string, I found that searching for "Open..." is problematic because the search program trims the dots off and one cannot specify entire words only, so I got openoffice, OpenGL etc - too many hits. Where is the place to propose an enhancement of this type? Do you think that it would be useful? If it would be useful for you, then the answer is definitely yes. The proper place to propose such enhancement would be on Pootle's bugzilla (bugs.locamotion.org), but if you don't want to create a yet another account, Pootle's developers are watching this list, so they often notice those suggestions even without reporting them (although I would consider filing an enhancement request preferred). Well, I just filed the request for you: http://bugs.locamotion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2079 . Regards, Rimas -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to l10n+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-l10n] How does one find specific strings in the po files?
On 16/12/11 21:00, Donald Rogers wrote: > Thanks, Andras > > You said in the bug page (below): It happens when you use LibreOffice in > other language than > your system locale. > I always have that situation, and probably most Esperanto speakers would have > another language that they use. > > I don't understand what you mean by "select the KeyID language...". I don't > know what po-file the strings mentioned are in, so I don't know the KeyID. In > the drop down list of the search field in Pootle there is an option > "Locations". Is that where to put (a) known KeyID(s)? > > On the matter of searching for a particular string, I found that searching > for "Open..." is problematic because the search program trims the dots off > and one cannot specify entire words only, so I got openoffice, OpenGL etc - > too many hits. Where is the place to propose an enhancement of this type? Do > you think that it would be useful? > > Regards > Donald > In many cases downloading the tree and parsing it with tools like grep or similar might be easier. You also benefit from having a offline compendium for later use, built from both recent and older translations. I previously used KBabel, and now its replacement Lokalize, for offline work. Much more manageable than translating in Pootle IMHO. I still do the easier bits directly in Pootle. E.g Andras updates the files in Pootle, so I don't have to work as I did in the past, leaving me more time to translate. – Olav -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to l10n+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-l10n] How does one find specific strings in the po files?
Thanks, Andras You said in the bug page (below): It happens when you use LibreOffice in other language than your system locale. I always have that situation, and probably most Esperanto speakers would have another language that they use. I don't understand what you mean by "select the KeyID language...". I don't know what po-file the strings mentioned are in, so I don't know the KeyID. In the drop down list of the search field in Pootle there is an option "Locations". Is that where to put (a) known KeyID(s)? On the matter of searching for a particular string, I found that searching for "Open..." is problematic because the search program trims the dots off and one cannot specify entire words only, so I got openoffice, OpenGL etc - too many hits. Where is the place to propose an enhancement of this type? Do you think that it would be useful? Regards Donald On 16/12/2011, at 10:07 PM, Andras Timar wrote: > Hi Donald, > > 2011/12/16 Donald Rogers : >> Saluton >> >> When LO starts up there is a splash screen with >> "Libreoffice 3 >> The Document Foundation" and a progress worm, >> >> and then another splash screen with >> "Libreoffice 3 >> The Document Foundation >> Text DocumentDrawing..." >> etc, finishing with >> "Open...Templates..." >> >> Is there any documentation on how to find where these strings are in the UI >> po files? >> In the Esperanto version of 3.5.0 beta, the strings "Open... Templates..." >> are untranslated, and I have not succeeded in finding them. I used Pootle to >> search every instance in UI of "Templates" and failed to find any that are >> untranslated. >> > > In general, you can select the KeyID language, read the KeyID and look > for that KeyID in Pootle, but in this particular case it wull not > work, because of > https://www.libreoffice.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=43475 > So, it is a known bug. You probably have those strings translated in Pootle. > > Best regards, > Andras > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to l10n+h...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to l10n+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-l10n] How does one find specific strings in the po files?
Hi Donald, 2011/12/16 Donald Rogers : > Saluton > > When LO starts up there is a splash screen with > "Libreoffice 3 > The Document Foundation" and a progress worm, > > and then another splash screen with > "Libreoffice 3 > The Document Foundation > Text Document Drawing..." > etc, finishing with > "Open... Templates..." > > Is there any documentation on how to find where these strings are in the UI > po files? > In the Esperanto version of 3.5.0 beta, the strings "Open... Templates..." > are untranslated, and I have not succeeded in finding them. I used Pootle to > search every instance in UI of "Templates" and failed to find any that are > untranslated. > In general, you can select the KeyID language, read the KeyID and look for that KeyID in Pootle, but in this particular case it wull not work, because of https://www.libreoffice.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=43475 So, it is a known bug. You probably have those strings translated in Pootle. Best regards, Andras -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to l10n+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
