Re: [LAAMN] Re: A US attack on Syria will Prolong the War
Scott You certainly have not payed attention to my posts of 2 1/2 years on Syria, if you have come to this wacky conclusion of yours. One can be against the crimes of the Assad fascist regime and still be against all imperialists interventions but it seems to be rocket science to you and others. You can turn a blind eye to them if you like but not I. On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 10:06 PM, scotpe...@cruzio.com wrote: Yes, I noted your a Marxist. I may have wrongly slandered someone else whom I thought was a Socialist, they used the same sources and the same tactics with anyone who tried to have a discussion about data other then your emotionally packed has to be true Assad did it, cause your sources supported the same things the MSM did, which was the desires of Obama and the MIC. I now know more about your philosophy from the posted about Syria then I knew before, and I'm sad to say I'm not any more endeared form you then the Socialists that insisted on posting uncertain details as hard facts whose only purpose can be to sanction the US killing more Syrians, because Obama said, use gas and I'll bomb you, so gas was used. Oh yes, it has to be Assad, no other discussion allowed. Sorry, this only means I have to fact check everything you post just as if it was the MSM, as the agenda of the MSM/MIC was identical to what your Marxists Groups were achieving. Seriously, I thought if either you or the Socialists who posted the same exact things you did, who use the same tactics in replying to those who present other views or want a discussion about the oddities and uncertainties being listed as positive known facts, that you were the type that would go Huh? Our actions are supporting Western Imperialism in this case? Could we not have all the data or has someone got us on a leash and we didn't notice? Nope... not a hint of that. I know that scenario, I've used sources that I thought were trusted, and didn't vet the information personally to find out I was used to disseminate emotionally charged Imperialist Propaganda. BTW, the subject was, has been and still is, the posts that claim immediately and for certain that Assad is the only possible chance anyone did exactly as Obama desired so he could appease his psycho masters and run up another war profiting account for them. You asked why would the US or anyone else want to use chemical weapons, people told you, and you reacted at them, there was no discussion about what was sent to you, only defense of a solid view that cannot be wrong and no additional data can ever be looked at and attacks on anyone that might point out why Assad would be insane to do as Obama wanted so he'd have a justification to bomb more civilians, ANYWHERE. It's back to the old, it's what is done, what is accomplished not what is said, that defines the charterer of the person. I really had hoped you'd seen you were selling what Obama wanted and might take another look. Oh well, at least I know where you stand too when the emotionally charged propaganda comes from a source you repeat and defend, while not being able to have a conversation about the data. Scott Scott So you are saying Russian, Chinese and Iranian imperialism( arms, loans, training, banking, intel and capitalist ventures and in the case of Iran boots on the ground with Quds Force, Iranian Revolutionary Guards, Hezbollah and 4 Shiite groups from Iraq)) does not also profit from the Syrian conflict. And I am not a supporting of any of the imperialist and sub imperialist groupings. I am a Marxist. Not some Stalinist, right wing or fascist and liberal or a so called progressive who supports the Assad regime thinking they are anti imperialist. Cort On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 1:17 PM, scotpe...@cruzio.com wrote: Sorry Cort, but you make this sound like the USA benefits from our wars abroad. Yes, US/England's interference, well actually bloody warfare and practicing genocide on the indigenous populations is more accurate, goes back to the 1970's it goes back to when all other sources of portable energy were wiped out in the early 1900's and Oil was the only method to be used, the West has been in and trying to control those who have the black gold. But you insist there is not a profit motive? The Corporations that help fund political campaigns, whose advertising controls what is actually in our newspapers to the point we have to to to N Korean news to find something worse, are the beneficiaries. Those who profit from the major user of Oil, the Military Industrial Complex uses 40% of the world supply of Oil. As Arhata stated, follow the money. Who profits. When the worlds economies and the countries themselves are controlled by those who control the worlds economies, they are the beneficiaries. A lull in the oil supply, a lull in the food supply, the foreign nationals that now own 40% of the NATURAL
Re: [LAAMN] Re: A US attack on Syria will Prolong the War
Once again, you ad homenim. The subject I continuously bring up is always avoided, insistence that no other data is pertinent, that no one else has anything to gain except Assad in the gassing of the Syrian People. It is Party Line right out of your Marxists Groups, and it is delivering the same results that Obama and the MSM desire, that we bomb Syria because they did this, when the proof, form Investigations form the UN and Russia and others that people discount because of their names, will not be looked at. Also what isn't looked at is that if the MSM carry's the drums of war, if one is holding up the MSM's and US Governments 'facts' while investigations are being suppressed by those same sources, one should check their data sources if you find your marching along with them. I no longer can take on face value, your Party Line missives for that reason alone, yours for the reason that no discussion of an issue occurs, it all comes back to pointed remarks at any poster that wants to discuss something, not just me, you added Arhata in this as an attempt to shame them. Scott Scott You certainly have not payed attention to my posts of 2 1/2 years on Syria, if you have come to this wacky conclusion of yours. One can be against the crimes of the Assad fascist regime and still be against all imperialists interventions but it seems to be rocket science to you and others. You can turn a blind eye to them if you like but not I. On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 10:06 PM, scotpe...@cruzio.com wrote: Yes, I noted your a Marxist. I may have wrongly slandered someone else whom I thought was a Socialist, they used the same sources and the same tactics with anyone who tried to have a discussion about data other then your emotionally packed has to be true Assad did it, cause your sources supported the same things the MSM did, which was the desires of Obama and the MIC. I now know more about your philosophy from the posted about Syria then I knew before, and I'm sad to say I'm not any more endeared form you then the Socialists that insisted on posting uncertain details as hard facts whose only purpose can be to sanction the US killing more Syrians, because Obama said, use gas and I'll bomb you, so gas was used. Oh yes, it has to be Assad, no other discussion allowed. Sorry, this only means I have to fact check everything you post just as if it was the MSM, as the agenda of the MSM/MIC was identical to what your Marxists Groups were achieving. Seriously, I thought if either you or the Socialists who posted the same exact things you did, who use the same tactics in replying to those who present other views or want a discussion about the oddities and uncertainties being listed as positive known facts, that you were the type that would go Huh? Our actions are supporting Western Imperialism in this case? Could we not have all the data or has someone got us on a leash and we didn't notice? Nope... not a hint of that. I know that scenario, I've used sources that I thought were trusted, and didn't vet the information personally to find out I was used to disseminate emotionally charged Imperialist Propaganda. BTW, the subject was, has been and still is, the posts that claim immediately and for certain that Assad is the only possible chance anyone did exactly as Obama desired so he could appease his psycho masters and run up another war profiting account for them. You asked why would the US or anyone else want to use chemical weapons, people told you, and you reacted at them, there was no discussion about what was sent to you, only defense of a solid view that cannot be wrong and no additional data can ever be looked at and attacks on anyone that might point out why Assad would be insane to do as Obama wanted so he'd have a justification to bomb more civilians, ANYWHERE. It's back to the old, it's what is done, what is accomplished not what is said, that defines the charterer of the person. I really had hoped you'd seen you were selling what Obama wanted and might take another look. Oh well, at least I know where you stand too when the emotionally charged propaganda comes from a source you repeat and defend, while not being able to have a conversation about the data. Scott Scott So you are saying Russian, Chinese and Iranian imperialism( arms, loans, training, banking, intel and capitalist ventures and in the case of Iran boots on the ground with Quds Force, Iranian Revolutionary Guards, Hezbollah and 4 Shiite groups from Iraq)) does not also profit from the Syrian conflict. And I am not a supporting of any of the imperialist and sub imperialist groupings. I am a Marxist. Not some Stalinist, right wing or fascist and liberal or a so called progressive who supports the Assad regime thinking they are anti imperialist. Cort On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 1:17 PM, scotpe...@cruzio.com wrote: Sorry Cort, but you make this sound
Re: [LAAMN] Re: A US attack on Syria will Prolong the War
And what I have been saying for two and a half years that you and others can not get is it is just not the recent chemical attacks which I believe happened( what of the 100,000 killed and thousands injured and the displacement of millions by MIGS dropping cluster bombs, barrel bombs and Scud missiles, when your dead your dead it does not matter whether its chemicals, bullets or Scuds ). Even before the US and others made a issue but considering the brutality and repression by the Assad regime even before the 13 children in Darra wrote on the walls 2 and a half years ago the people want the fall of the regime, they were arrested, tortured and some killed ( maybe you will say the CIA bought them the paint to do it next and they dying along with the others don't matter also because you want do save the fascist regime) rallies were held across the country and Assad released the dogs of war on them and that is how it started. NO CIA plot, no outside intervention other than Iran, Russia and Chinese imperialism. Of which you seemed to support. On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 10:18 AM, scotpe...@cruzio.com wrote: Once again, you ad homenim. The subject I continuously bring up is always avoided, insistence that no other data is pertinent, that no one else has anything to gain except Assad in the gassing of the Syrian People. It is Party Line right out of your Marxists Groups, and it is delivering the same results that Obama and the MSM desire, that we bomb Syria because they did this, when the proof, form Investigations form the UN and Russia and others that people discount because of their names, will not be looked at. Also what isn't looked at is that if the MSM carry's the drums of war, if one is holding up the MSM's and US Governments 'facts' while investigations are being suppressed by those same sources, one should check their data sources if you find your marching along with them. I no longer can take on face value, your Party Line missives for that reason alone, yours for the reason that no discussion of an issue occurs, it all comes back to pointed remarks at any poster that wants to discuss something, not just me, you added Arhata in this as an attempt to shame them. Scott Scott You certainly have not payed attention to my posts of 2 1/2 years on Syria, if you have come to this wacky conclusion of yours. One can be against the crimes of the Assad fascist regime and still be against all imperialists interventions but it seems to be rocket science to you and others. You can turn a blind eye to them if you like but not I. On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 10:06 PM, scotpe...@cruzio.com wrote: Yes, I noted your a Marxist. I may have wrongly slandered someone else whom I thought was a Socialist, they used the same sources and the same tactics with anyone who tried to have a discussion about data other then your emotionally packed has to be true Assad did it, cause your sources supported the same things the MSM did, which was the desires of Obama and the MIC. I now know more about your philosophy from the posted about Syria then I knew before, and I'm sad to say I'm not any more endeared form you then the Socialists that insisted on posting uncertain details as hard facts whose only purpose can be to sanction the US killing more Syrians, because Obama said, use gas and I'll bomb you, so gas was used. Oh yes, it has to be Assad, no other discussion allowed. Sorry, this only means I have to fact check everything you post just as if it was the MSM, as the agenda of the MSM/MIC was identical to what your Marxists Groups were achieving. Seriously, I thought if either you or the Socialists who posted the same exact things you did, who use the same tactics in replying to those who present other views or want a discussion about the oddities and uncertainties being listed as positive known facts, that you were the type that would go Huh? Our actions are supporting Western Imperialism in this case? Could we not have all the data or has someone got us on a leash and we didn't notice? Nope... not a hint of that. I know that scenario, I've used sources that I thought were trusted, and didn't vet the information personally to find out I was used to disseminate emotionally charged Imperialist Propaganda. BTW, the subject was, has been and still is, the posts that claim immediately and for certain that Assad is the only possible chance anyone did exactly as Obama desired so he could appease his psycho masters and run up another war profiting account for them. You asked why would the US or anyone else want to use chemical weapons, people told you, and you reacted at them, there was no discussion about what was sent to you, only defense of a solid view that cannot be wrong and no additional data can ever be looked at and attacks on anyone that might point out why Assad would be insane to do as
Re: [LAAMN] Re: A US attack on Syria will Prolong the War
*Neither, but you sure are fighting hard to protect the fascist Assad. * On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 1:17 PM, scotpe...@cruzio.com wrote: See, you change the subject, and muddy the subject, the SPECIFIC points I am trying to make, then put words in my mouth I've never uttered and then attack me for that. No one was responding in any manner much negatively to you about this subject. Are you CIA or Airforce trained in disinformation? These are the tactic they are taught to use and never veer from. I'm not interested in going all over the place with you about this or that, I had specific comments about a specific thing you and your marxist group are doing. Scott And what I have been saying for two and a half years that you and others can not get is it is just not the recent chemical attacks which I believe happened( what of the 100,000 killed and thousands injured and the displacement of millions by MIGS dropping cluster bombs, barrel bombs and Scud missiles, when your dead your dead it does not matter whether its chemicals, bullets or Scuds ). Even before the US and others made a issue but considering the brutality and repression by the Assad regime even before the 13 children in Darra wrote on the walls 2 and a half years ago the people want the fall of the regime, they were arrested, tortured and some killed ( maybe you will say the CIA bought them the paint to do it next and they dying along with the others don't matter also because you want do save the fascist regime) rallies were held across the country and Assad released the dogs of war on them and that is how it started. NO CIA plot, no outside intervention other than Iran, Russia and Chinese imperialism. Of which you seemed to support. On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 10:18 AM, scotpe...@cruzio.com wrote: Once again, you ad homenim. The subject I continuously bring up is always avoided, insistence that no other data is pertinent, that no one else has anything to gain except Assad in the gassing of the Syrian People. It is Party Line right out of your Marxists Groups, and it is delivering the same results that Obama and the MSM desire, that we bomb Syria because they did this, when the proof, form Investigations form the UN and Russia and others that people discount because of their names, will not be looked at. Also what isn't looked at is that if the MSM carry's the drums of war, if one is holding up the MSM's and US Governments 'facts' while investigations are being suppressed by those same sources, one should check their data sources if you find your marching along with them. I no longer can take on face value, your Party Line missives for that reason alone, yours for the reason that no discussion of an issue occurs, it all comes back to pointed remarks at any poster that wants to discuss something, not just me, you added Arhata in this as an attempt to shame them. Scott Scott You certainly have not payed attention to my posts of 2 1/2 years on Syria, if you have come to this wacky conclusion of yours. One can be against the crimes of the Assad fascist regime and still be against all imperialists interventions but it seems to be rocket science to you and others. You can turn a blind eye to them if you like but not I. On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 10:06 PM, scotpe...@cruzio.com wrote: Yes, I noted your a Marxist. I may have wrongly slandered someone else whom I thought was a Socialist, they used the same sources and the same tactics with anyone who tried to have a discussion about data other then your emotionally packed has to be true Assad did it, cause your sources supported the same things the MSM did, which was the desires of Obama and the MIC. I now know more about your philosophy from the posted about Syria then I knew before, and I'm sad to say I'm not any more endeared form you then the Socialists that insisted on posting uncertain details as hard facts whose only purpose can be to sanction the US killing more Syrians, because Obama said, use gas and I'll bomb you, so gas was used. Oh yes, it has to be Assad, no other discussion allowed. Sorry, this only means I have to fact check everything you post just as if it was the MSM, as the agenda of the MSM/MIC was identical to what your Marxists Groups were achieving. Seriously, I thought if either you or the Socialists who posted the same exact things you did, who use the same tactics in replying to those who present other views or want a discussion about the oddities and uncertainties being listed as positive known facts, that you were the type that would go Huh? Our actions are supporting Western Imperialism in this case? Could we not have all the data or has someone got us on a leash and we didn't notice? Nope... not a hint
Re: [LAAMN] Re: A US attack on Syria will Prolong the War
Tich tich http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/ad-hominem.html Still no discussion of facts. I'm only seeing you forward an agenda, as a poster, unwilling and or unable to discuss anything not on your agenda. These are some of the endearing qualities of those that follow the Democratic Corporate parties, the Republican Corporate parties, which include the Tea Partiers, much less ANY Party that wants followers, and can't bother to educate them or attract them by a policy that enables them with the truth, as much of the truth as possible and no fear of opposing views or additional data, as the world ages. You just don't walk your talk and cannot or will not look at anything not handed on from on high from your Marxist source. Seriously I'd thought I was going to get a different education and find more qualities form you and yours I might have felt kinship with. Your hate for Assad is so great that you'd let a greater evil not only off the hook, carry the message they demanded needed to be carried so they can fell justified in carrying out more acts of terrorism agasint humanity. Jsut one little discussion on additional facts, led to me learning more about you, and the agenda you support, then I'd intended, but it has been a good eduction none the less. I know not to take anything at face value, I'll necessarily have to vet any and everything proposed from your Party Line Agenda. I am against big Money controlling the lives of anyone, any where for the sole benefits of those who consider themselves the betters of the masses, and I'm firmly agasint all actions even from those I had considered friendly to that cause, when they too support the agenda of the Elite/Imperialists/Corporatists/1%ers etc., et al, and so on, ad infitium. Scott *Then I suggest you just shut the fuck up since you are wrong in most of if not all you wing nut analysis. * On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 5:03 PM, scotpe...@cruzio.com wrote: Again, change of subject...along with a personal attack. No one disputed that a gas attack had occurred. Many people and more reports after the initial ones which spread as only the Corporate media can spread them, and other then the Empires people, all other sources kept finding new data as investigations were done. You, and those whose stuff you forward, along with the Empire your actions in this are serving, refuse to look at anything other then what fits your agenda. Simply posting that you think I'm a Tea party Mole shows how little research you do, apparently none, as your actions show rather consistently you only forward and defend what your told to. Scott The LCC's in Syria confirmed these chemical attacks( and as I said I have been against Assad fascism for over 21/2 years and have condemn them for their killing and repression machine) before any Western country said anything and they get no support from any outside group and they are against intervention by all imperialists and sub imperialists on all sides. And I think you are Tea Party mole and work for intel yourself, your anti communism keeps showing. You know I don't support the US and any other imperialist intervention but you continue to lie and slander. Cort On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 3:51 PM, scotpe...@cruzio.com wrote: Cort, You do so well making my points about ad hominem and straw man arguments. You redefine what I said and attack me for that, you have yet to discuss any of the points I brought up. Not once have I tried to protect Assad, I have made half a dozen posts about what I think of him, but I am not protecting and supporting the Western Imperialist and the Corporate valuable profits as your actions are. You continuously protect sources that would allow any data other then the Main Stream media, the Military Industrial Complex, the CIA's point of view to be seen and only their solutions to be implemented. Not only that your Marxist forwards show that is what your leadership wants too. You keep putting forth no one else is doing anything other then Assad. there are 10 reports to your one showing that is false, and the only agreements you get is from Obama's backers. You are saying out of one side of your mouth your agasint war and then defending the Warmongers data since it is rewritten to fit your Marxist point of view, while still only violent solution's can come from your initial actions. I once found it incredible that you weren't responding to the points I was making about the data as a whole, what we had, and your refusal to look at other points of view. No longer, your actions speak loudest. I shall look at all you post with the same suspicions of 'who profits' from your posts as I do from the MSM's point of view and the Corporatists and Imperialists point of view. Scott *Neither, but you sure are fighting hard to protect the fascist Assad. *
Re: [LAAMN] Re: A US attack on Syria will Prolong the War
Again, change of subject...along with a personal attack. No one disputed that a gas attack had occurred. Many people and more reports after the initial ones which spread as only the Corporate media can spread them, and other then the Empires people, all other sources kept finding new data as investigations were done. You, and those whose stuff you forward, along with the Empire your actions in this are serving, refuse to look at anything other then what fits your agenda. Simply posting that you think I'm a Tea party Mole shows how little research you do, apparently none, as your actions show rather consistently you only forward and defend what your told to. Scott The LCC's in Syria confirmed these chemical attacks( and as I said I have been against Assad fascism for over 21/2 years and have condemn them for their killing and repression machine) before any Western country said anything and they get no support from any outside group and they are against intervention by all imperialists and sub imperialists on all sides. And I think you are Tea Party mole and work for intel yourself, your anti communism keeps showing. You know I don't support the US and any other imperialist intervention but you continue to lie and slander. Cort On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 3:51 PM, scotpe...@cruzio.com wrote: Cort, You do so well making my points about ad hominem and straw man arguments. You redefine what I said and attack me for that, you have yet to discuss any of the points I brought up. Not once have I tried to protect Assad, I have made half a dozen posts about what I think of him, but I am not protecting and supporting the Western Imperialist and the Corporate valuable profits as your actions are. You continuously protect sources that would allow any data other then the Main Stream media, the Military Industrial Complex, the CIA's point of view to be seen and only their solutions to be implemented. Not only that your Marxist forwards show that is what your leadership wants too. You keep putting forth no one else is doing anything other then Assad. there are 10 reports to your one showing that is false, and the only agreements you get is from Obama's backers. You are saying out of one side of your mouth your agasint war and then defending the Warmongers data since it is rewritten to fit your Marxist point of view, while still only violent solution's can come from your initial actions. I once found it incredible that you weren't responding to the points I was making about the data as a whole, what we had, and your refusal to look at other points of view. No longer, your actions speak loudest. I shall look at all you post with the same suspicions of 'who profits' from your posts as I do from the MSM's point of view and the Corporatists and Imperialists point of view. Scott *Neither, but you sure are fighting hard to protect the fascist Assad. * On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 1:17 PM, scotpe...@cruzio.com wrote: See, you change the subject, and muddy the subject, the SPECIFIC points I am trying to make, then put words in my mouth I've never uttered and then attack me for that. No one was responding in any manner much negatively to you about this subject. Are you CIA or Airforce trained in disinformation? These are the tactic they are taught to use and never veer from. I'm not interested in going all over the place with you about this or that, I had specific comments about a specific thing you and your marxist group are doing. Scott And what I have been saying for two and a half years that you and others can not get is it is just not the recent chemical attacks which I believe happened( what of the 100,000 killed and thousands injured and the displacement of millions by MIGS dropping cluster bombs, barrel bombs and Scud missiles, when your dead your dead it does not matter whether its chemicals, bullets or Scuds ). Even before the US and others made a issue but considering the brutality and repression by the Assad regime even before the 13 children in Darra wrote on the walls 2 and a half years ago the people want the fall of the regime, they were arrested, tortured and some killed ( maybe you will say the CIA bought them the paint to do it next and they dying along with the others don't matter also because you want do save the fascist regime) rallies were held across the country and Assad released the dogs of war on them and that is how it started. NO CIA plot, no outside intervention other than Iran, Russia and Chinese imperialism. Of which you seemed to support. On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 10:18 AM, scotpe...@cruzio.com wrote: Once again, you ad homenim. The subject I continuously bring up is always avoided, insistence that no other data is pertinent, that no one else has anything to gain except Assad in the
Re: [LAAMN] Re: A US attack on Syria will Prolong the War
Cort, You do so well making my points about ad hominem and straw man arguments. You redefine what I said and attack me for that, you have yet to discuss any of the points I brought up. Not once have I tried to protect Assad, I have made half a dozen posts about what I think of him, but I am not protecting and supporting the Western Imperialist and the Corporate valuable profits as your actions are. You continuously protect sources that would allow any data other then the Main Stream media, the Military Industrial Complex, the CIA's point of view to be seen and only their solutions to be implemented. Not only that your Marxist forwards show that is what your leadership wants too. You keep putting forth no one else is doing anything other then Assad. there are 10 reports to your one showing that is false, and the only agreements you get is from Obama's backers. You are saying out of one side of your mouth your agasint war and then defending the Warmongers data since it is rewritten to fit your Marxist point of view, while still only violent solution's can come from your initial actions. I once found it incredible that you weren't responding to the points I was making about the data as a whole, what we had, and your refusal to look at other points of view. No longer, your actions speak loudest. I shall look at all you post with the same suspicions of 'who profits' from your posts as I do from the MSM's point of view and the Corporatists and Imperialists point of view. Scott *Neither, but you sure are fighting hard to protect the fascist Assad. * On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 1:17 PM, scotpe...@cruzio.com wrote: See, you change the subject, and muddy the subject, the SPECIFIC points I am trying to make, then put words in my mouth I've never uttered and then attack me for that. No one was responding in any manner much negatively to you about this subject. Are you CIA or Airforce trained in disinformation? These are the tactic they are taught to use and never veer from. I'm not interested in going all over the place with you about this or that, I had specific comments about a specific thing you and your marxist group are doing. Scott And what I have been saying for two and a half years that you and others can not get is it is just not the recent chemical attacks which I believe happened( what of the 100,000 killed and thousands injured and the displacement of millions by MIGS dropping cluster bombs, barrel bombs and Scud missiles, when your dead your dead it does not matter whether its chemicals, bullets or Scuds ). Even before the US and others made a issue but considering the brutality and repression by the Assad regime even before the 13 children in Darra wrote on the walls 2 and a half years ago the people want the fall of the regime, they were arrested, tortured and some killed ( maybe you will say the CIA bought them the paint to do it next and they dying along with the others don't matter also because you want do save the fascist regime) rallies were held across the country and Assad released the dogs of war on them and that is how it started. NO CIA plot, no outside intervention other than Iran, Russia and Chinese imperialism. Of which you seemed to support. On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 10:18 AM, scotpe...@cruzio.com wrote: Once again, you ad homenim. The subject I continuously bring up is always avoided, insistence that no other data is pertinent, that no one else has anything to gain except Assad in the gassing of the Syrian People. It is Party Line right out of your Marxists Groups, and it is delivering the same results that Obama and the MSM desire, that we bomb Syria because they did this, when the proof, form Investigations form the UN and Russia and others that people discount because of their names, will not be looked at. Also what isn't looked at is that if the MSM carry's the drums of war, if one is holding up the MSM's and US Governments 'facts' while investigations are being suppressed by those same sources, one should check their data sources if you find your marching along with them. I no longer can take on face value, your Party Line missives for that reason alone, yours for the reason that no discussion of an issue occurs, it all comes back to pointed remarks at any poster that wants to discuss something, not just me, you added Arhata in this as an attempt to shame them. Scott Scott You certainly have not payed attention to my posts of 2 1/2 years on Syria, if you have come to this wacky conclusion of yours. One can be against the crimes of the Assad fascist regime and still be against all imperialists interventions but it seems to be rocket science to you and others. You can turn a blind eye to them if you like but not I. On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 10:06 PM, scotpe...@cruzio.com wrote: Yes, I noted your a
Re: [LAAMN] Re: A US attack on Syria will Prolong the War
See, you change the subject, and muddy the subject, the SPECIFIC points I am trying to make, then put words in my mouth I've never uttered and then attack me for that. No one was responding in any manner much negatively to you about this subject. Are you CIA or Airforce trained in disinformation? These are the tactic they are taught to use and never veer from. I'm not interested in going all over the place with you about this or that, I had specific comments about a specific thing you and your marxist group are doing. Scott And what I have been saying for two and a half years that you and others can not get is it is just not the recent chemical attacks which I believe happened( what of the 100,000 killed and thousands injured and the displacement of millions by MIGS dropping cluster bombs, barrel bombs and Scud missiles, when your dead your dead it does not matter whether its chemicals, bullets or Scuds ). Even before the US and others made a issue but considering the brutality and repression by the Assad regime even before the 13 children in Darra wrote on the walls 2 and a half years ago the people want the fall of the regime, they were arrested, tortured and some killed ( maybe you will say the CIA bought them the paint to do it next and they dying along with the others don't matter also because you want do save the fascist regime) rallies were held across the country and Assad released the dogs of war on them and that is how it started. NO CIA plot, no outside intervention other than Iran, Russia and Chinese imperialism. Of which you seemed to support. On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 10:18 AM, scotpe...@cruzio.com wrote: Once again, you ad homenim. The subject I continuously bring up is always avoided, insistence that no other data is pertinent, that no one else has anything to gain except Assad in the gassing of the Syrian People. It is Party Line right out of your Marxists Groups, and it is delivering the same results that Obama and the MSM desire, that we bomb Syria because they did this, when the proof, form Investigations form the UN and Russia and others that people discount because of their names, will not be looked at. Also what isn't looked at is that if the MSM carry's the drums of war, if one is holding up the MSM's and US Governments 'facts' while investigations are being suppressed by those same sources, one should check their data sources if you find your marching along with them. I no longer can take on face value, your Party Line missives for that reason alone, yours for the reason that no discussion of an issue occurs, it all comes back to pointed remarks at any poster that wants to discuss something, not just me, you added Arhata in this as an attempt to shame them. Scott Scott You certainly have not payed attention to my posts of 2 1/2 years on Syria, if you have come to this wacky conclusion of yours. One can be against the crimes of the Assad fascist regime and still be against all imperialists interventions but it seems to be rocket science to you and others. You can turn a blind eye to them if you like but not I. On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 10:06 PM, scotpe...@cruzio.com wrote: Yes, I noted your a Marxist. I may have wrongly slandered someone else whom I thought was a Socialist, they used the same sources and the same tactics with anyone who tried to have a discussion about data other then your emotionally packed has to be true Assad did it, cause your sources supported the same things the MSM did, which was the desires of Obama and the MIC. I now know more about your philosophy from the posted about Syria then I knew before, and I'm sad to say I'm not any more endeared form you then the Socialists that insisted on posting uncertain details as hard facts whose only purpose can be to sanction the US killing more Syrians, because Obama said, use gas and I'll bomb you, so gas was used. Oh yes, it has to be Assad, no other discussion allowed. Sorry, this only means I have to fact check everything you post just as if it was the MSM, as the agenda of the MSM/MIC was identical to what your Marxists Groups were achieving. Seriously, I thought if either you or the Socialists who posted the same exact things you did, who use the same tactics in replying to those who present other views or want a discussion about the oddities and uncertainties being listed as positive known facts, that you were the type that would go Huh? Our actions are supporting Western Imperialism in this case? Could we not have all the data or has someone got us on a leash and we didn't notice? Nope... not a hint of that. I know that scenario, I've used sources that I thought were trusted, and didn't vet the information personally to find out I was used to disseminate emotionally charged Imperialist Propaganda. BTW, the subject was, has been and still is,
[LAAMN] Re: A US attack on Syria will Prolong the War
Before the start of the revolution and now war within many wars, Syria ranked 32nd in oil production and has now dropped many places since. This sound like those who said at the start of the US intervention in Iraq and Afghanistan ( real US intervention their began in 1978) that it was over oil. In Iraq the big oil contacts are with China and Afghanistan not much is coming out. No, the Syrian revolution began for other reasons and the US, Qatar, the Saudis, Turkey, Iranian, Chinese, French and Russian imperialists and sub imperialist actors on both sides, all have other reasons to co-opt or stop it other than oil. Cort On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 9:49 AM, Arhata Osho arhataworldfreespe...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Less than 1% of people died from 'gassing' out of over 100,000 killed! Is this about gassing of innocent citizens? [image: *=)) rolling on the floor] Wanta buy a bridge from Brooklyn? Follow the Money! Is it 'green oil' too How's Iraq doing now? Afghanistan? About 'oil'? [image: *8-| rolling eyes]The American citizens finance these wars.[image: *8-} silly] Could that be YOU or people you know? -- *From:* Cort Greene cort.gre...@gmail.com A US attack on Syria will Prolong the Warhttp://www.juancole.com/2013/09/attack-syria-prolong.html Posted on 09/04/2013 by Juan Cole The struggle in Syria began peacefully in spring of 2011, but after about half a year it turned violent when the regime deployed tanks and other heavy munitions against the protesters. Some of the latter took up weapons and turned to violence in revenge. Thereafter the struggle spiraled into a civil war, in which the regime showed itself perfectly willing to attack civilian city quarters and kill indiscriminately. The struggle has killed over 100,000 persons. As the regime became ever more brutal, the rebel fighters were increasingly radicalized. Now, among the more important groups is Jabhat al-Nusra or the Succor Front, a radical al-Qaeda affiliate. President Obama’s plan to bomb Syria with cruise missiles will do nothing to hasten the end of the conflict. Instead, it will likely prolong it. *It should be remembered that the US couldn’t end the Iraqi civil war despite having over 100,000 boots on the ground in that country. It is highly unlikely that Washington can end this one from 30,000 feet.* The hope for avoiding another decade of killing is that the governmental elite and the rebels get tired of fighting and prove willing to make a deal. It is probably too late for Syria to succeed at the kind of transition achieved in Yemen. There, the president stepped down and his vice president ran for his seat. At the same time, members of the opposition were given seats in the cabinet. That kind of cohabitation with the former enemy is easier if too much blood hasn’t bee shed. The best solution for Syria would be if President Bashar al-Assad steps down and the Baath Party gave up its dictatorial tactics. At the same time, the rebels would have to forewswear al-Qaeda-type extremism. Probably each side would have to feel that they could not gain any substantial benefit from further fighting, for negotiations to have prayer of success. The prospect of a US missile strike is emboldening the rebels. They increasingly hope that the US will come in militarily with them. the rebels don’t look at the proposed US missile strikes as a limited affair or as solely related to chemical weapons use. Aside from al-Qaeda, they see the US as an ally. Thus, they are complaining that Obama’s indecisiveness is emboldening Syrian President al-Assadhttp://www.elaph.com/Web/news/2013/9/833955.html?entry=Syria. The US is now part of their strategic calculations and they see decisive American action as an asset. Obviously, such euphoria at the prospect of US military intervention on the rebel side is incompatible with the kind of “pacted” transition political scientists favor. The rebels will have every incentive to hold out for ever more forceful outside Syria intervention in the coming years. By striking Syria, Obama has all but guaranteed that a negotiated solution becomes impossible for years to come. In the absence of serious negotiations, the civil war will continue and likely get worse. The US should give serious thought to what the likely actual (as opposed to ideal) reaction in Syria will be to the landing of a few cruise missiles. The anti-regime elements will celebrate, convinced that it will all be over quickly if the US gets involved. The last thing they will want will be to negotiate with the regime.
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Sorry Cort, but you make this sound like the USA benefits from our wars abroad. Yes, US/England's interference, well actually bloody warfare and practicing genocide on the indigenous populations is more accurate, goes back to the 1970's it goes back to when all other sources of portable energy were wiped out in the early 1900's and Oil was the only method to be used, the West has been in and trying to control those who have the black gold. But you insist there is not a profit motive? The Corporations that help fund political campaigns, whose advertising controls what is actually in our newspapers to the point we have to to to N Korean news to find something worse, are the beneficiaries. Those who profit from the major user of Oil, the Military Industrial Complex uses 40% of the world supply of Oil. As Arhata stated, follow the money. Who profits. When the worlds economies and the countries themselves are controlled by those who control the worlds economies, they are the beneficiaries. A lull in the oil supply, a lull in the food supply, the foreign nationals that now own 40% of the NATURAL WATER SUPPLIES in the USA can state scarcity and jack prices. The only real money makers left in the USA has to do with GMO's and chemicals, destroying food production around the world, making scarcities while controlling the only viable food supplies left, as well as Weapons Manufacturing. 12 years ago 40% of US jobs centered around the Military Industrial Complex. Damn, war is just good business, you don't want to see a massive depression instead of this little one we're living in now do ya? After all, what other jobs would we have to support our economy? So why rule out profit by Oil, as you insist on doing in every instance of the Middle East? The Oil Corporations based in the US and the UK profit immensely, the players that are religiously polarized in this region are the other players, and duh, they have immense amounts of oil too. Syria blocks natural gas lines form Saudi Arabia to European supply depots. Syria blocks sending water from Iraq and Turkey to Israel. Syria's majority of the population is that of Iran's population too, and those against them have committed the greatest crimes against humanity, using Chemical warfare (Iraq using US supplied WMD's on Iranian's and Kurds, Israel on Palestinians). Empowering all factions that are pro invading Syria, by fighting anyone who mentions profit motive, or anything about the major chemical warfare known criminals and their parts in Syria, seems to be a constant theme coming out of your Marxist group. Stating your for the people is consistent, but empowering the Imperialists to invade seems to be the end result that these actions will achieve. Any discussion, or will I get another personal post instead of sticking to the subject of, who profits. Scott Before the start of the revolution and now war within many wars, Syria ranked 32nd in oil production and has now dropped many places since. This sound like those who said at the start of the US intervention in Iraq and Afghanistan ( real US intervention their began in 1978) that it was over oil. In Iraq the big oil contacts are with China and Afghanistan not much is coming out. No, the Syrian revolution began for other reasons and the US, Qatar, the Saudis, Turkey, Iranian, Chinese, French and Russian imperialists and sub imperialist actors on both sides, all have other reasons to co-opt or stop it other than oil. Cort On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 9:49 AM, Arhata Osho arhataworldfreespe...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Less than 1% of people died from 'gassing' out of over 100,000 killed! Is this about gassing of innocent citizens? [image: *=)) rolling on the floor] Wanta buy a bridge from Brooklyn? Follow the Money! Is it 'green oil' too How's Iraq doing now? Afghanistan? About 'oil'? [image: *8-| rolling eyes]The American citizens finance these wars.[image: *8-} silly] Could that be YOU or people you know? -- *From:* Cort Greene cort.gre...@gmail.com A US attack on Syria will Prolong the Warhttp://www.juancole.com/2013/09/attack-syria-prolong.html Posted on 09/04/2013 by Juan Cole The struggle in Syria began peacefully in spring of 2011, but after about half a year it turned violent when the regime deployed tanks and other heavy munitions against the protesters. Some of the latter took up weapons and turned to violence in revenge. Thereafter the struggle spiraled into a civil war, in which the regime showed itself perfectly willing to attack civilian city quarters and kill indiscriminately. The struggle has killed over 100,000 persons. As the regime became ever more brutal, the rebel fighters were increasingly radicalized. Now, among the more important groups is Jabhat al-Nusra or the Succor Front, a radical al-Qaeda affiliate. President Obamas plan to bomb Syria with cruise missiles will do nothing to hasten the end of the conflict.
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Scott So you are saying Russian, Chinese and Iranian imperialism( arms, loans, training, banking, intel and capitalist ventures and in the case of Iran boots on the ground with Quds Force, Iranian Revolutionary Guards, Hezbollah and 4 Shiite groups from Iraq)) does not also profit from the Syrian conflict. And I am not a supporting of any of the imperialist and sub imperialist groupings. I am a Marxist. Not some Stalinist, right wing or fascist and liberal or a so called progressive who supports the Assad regime thinking they are anti imperialist. Cort On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 1:17 PM, scotpe...@cruzio.com wrote: Sorry Cort, but you make this sound like the USA benefits from our wars abroad. Yes, US/England's interference, well actually bloody warfare and practicing genocide on the indigenous populations is more accurate, goes back to the 1970's it goes back to when all other sources of portable energy were wiped out in the early 1900's and Oil was the only method to be used, the West has been in and trying to control those who have the black gold. But you insist there is not a profit motive? The Corporations that help fund political campaigns, whose advertising controls what is actually in our newspapers to the point we have to to to N Korean news to find something worse, are the beneficiaries. Those who profit from the major user of Oil, the Military Industrial Complex uses 40% of the world supply of Oil. As Arhata stated, follow the money. Who profits. When the worlds economies and the countries themselves are controlled by those who control the worlds economies, they are the beneficiaries. A lull in the oil supply, a lull in the food supply, the foreign nationals that now own 40% of the NATURAL WATER SUPPLIES in the USA can state scarcity and jack prices. The only real money makers left in the USA has to do with GMO's and chemicals, destroying food production around the world, making scarcities while controlling the only viable food supplies left, as well as Weapons Manufacturing. 12 years ago 40% of US jobs centered around the Military Industrial Complex. Damn, war is just good business, you don't want to see a massive depression instead of this little one we're living in now do ya? After all, what other jobs would we have to support our economy? So why rule out profit by Oil, as you insist on doing in every instance of the Middle East? The Oil Corporations based in the US and the UK profit immensely, the players that are religiously polarized in this region are the other players, and duh, they have immense amounts of oil too. Syria blocks natural gas lines form Saudi Arabia to European supply depots. Syria blocks sending water from Iraq and Turkey to Israel. Syria's majority of the population is that of Iran's population too, and those against them have committed the greatest crimes against humanity, using Chemical warfare (Iraq using US supplied WMD's on Iranian's and Kurds, Israel on Palestinians). Empowering all factions that are pro invading Syria, by fighting anyone who mentions profit motive, or anything about the major chemical warfare known criminals and their parts in Syria, seems to be a constant theme coming out of your Marxist group. Stating your for the people is consistent, but empowering the Imperialists to invade seems to be the end result that these actions will achieve. Any discussion, or will I get another personal post instead of sticking to the subject of, who profits. Scott Before the start of the revolution and now war within many wars, Syria ranked 32nd in oil production and has now dropped many places since. This sound like those who said at the start of the US intervention in Iraq and Afghanistan ( real US intervention their began in 1978) that it was over oil. In Iraq the big oil contacts are with China and Afghanistan not much is coming out. No, the Syrian revolution began for other reasons and the US, Qatar, the Saudis, Turkey, Iranian, Chinese, French and Russian imperialists and sub imperialist actors on both sides, all have other reasons to co-opt or stop it other than oil. Cort On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 9:49 AM, Arhata Osho arhataworldfreespe...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Less than 1% of people died from 'gassing' out of over 100,000 killed! Is this about gassing of innocent citizens? [image: *=)) rolling on the floor] Wanta buy a bridge from Brooklyn? Follow the Money! Is it 'green oil' too How's Iraq doing now? Afghanistan? About 'oil'? [image: *8-| rolling eyes]The American citizens finance these wars.[image: *8-} silly] Could that be YOU or people you know? -- *From:* Cort Greene cort.gre...@gmail.com A US attack on Syria will Prolong the Warhttp://www.juancole.com/2013/09/attack-syria-prolong.html Posted on 09/04/2013 by Juan Cole The struggle in Syria began peacefully in spring of 2011, but after about
Re: [LAAMN] Re: A US attack on Syria will Prolong the War
Yes, I noted your a Marxist. I may have wrongly slandered someone else whom I thought was a Socialist, they used the same sources and the same tactics with anyone who tried to have a discussion about data other then your emotionally packed has to be true Assad did it, cause your sources supported the same things the MSM did, which was the desires of Obama and the MIC. I now know more about your philosophy from the posted about Syria then I knew before, and I'm sad to say I'm not any more endeared form you then the Socialists that insisted on posting uncertain details as hard facts whose only purpose can be to sanction the US killing more Syrians, because Obama said, use gas and I'll bomb you, so gas was used. Oh yes, it has to be Assad, no other discussion allowed. Sorry, this only means I have to fact check everything you post just as if it was the MSM, as the agenda of the MSM/MIC was identical to what your Marxists Groups were achieving. Seriously, I thought if either you or the Socialists who posted the same exact things you did, who use the same tactics in replying to those who present other views or want a discussion about the oddities and uncertainties being listed as positive known facts, that you were the type that would go Huh? Our actions are supporting Western Imperialism in this case? Could we not have all the data or has someone got us on a leash and we didn't notice? Nope... not a hint of that. I know that scenario, I've used sources that I thought were trusted, and didn't vet the information personally to find out I was used to disseminate emotionally charged Imperialist Propaganda. BTW, the subject was, has been and still is, the posts that claim immediately and for certain that Assad is the only possible chance anyone did exactly as Obama desired so he could appease his psycho masters and run up another war profiting account for them. You asked why would the US or anyone else want to use chemical weapons, people told you, and you reacted at them, there was no discussion about what was sent to you, only defense of a solid view that cannot be wrong and no additional data can ever be looked at and attacks on anyone that might point out why Assad would be insane to do as Obama wanted so he'd have a justification to bomb more civilians, ANYWHERE. It's back to the old, it's what is done, what is accomplished not what is said, that defines the charterer of the person. I really had hoped you'd seen you were selling what Obama wanted and might take another look. Oh well, at least I know where you stand too when the emotionally charged propaganda comes from a source you repeat and defend, while not being able to have a conversation about the data. Scott Scott So you are saying Russian, Chinese and Iranian imperialism( arms, loans, training, banking, intel and capitalist ventures and in the case of Iran boots on the ground with Quds Force, Iranian Revolutionary Guards, Hezbollah and 4 Shiite groups from Iraq)) does not also profit from the Syrian conflict. And I am not a supporting of any of the imperialist and sub imperialist groupings. I am a Marxist. Not some Stalinist, right wing or fascist and liberal or a so called progressive who supports the Assad regime thinking they are anti imperialist. Cort On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 1:17 PM, scotpe...@cruzio.com wrote: Sorry Cort, but you make this sound like the USA benefits from our wars abroad. Yes, US/England's interference, well actually bloody warfare and practicing genocide on the indigenous populations is more accurate, goes back to the 1970's it goes back to when all other sources of portable energy were wiped out in the early 1900's and Oil was the only method to be used, the West has been in and trying to control those who have the black gold. But you insist there is not a profit motive? The Corporations that help fund political campaigns, whose advertising controls what is actually in our newspapers to the point we have to to to N Korean news to find something worse, are the beneficiaries. Those who profit from the major user of Oil, the Military Industrial Complex uses 40% of the world supply of Oil. As Arhata stated, follow the money. Who profits. When the worlds economies and the countries themselves are controlled by those who control the worlds economies, they are the beneficiaries. A lull in the oil supply, a lull in the food supply, the foreign nationals that now own 40% of the NATURAL WATER SUPPLIES in the USA can state scarcity and jack prices. The only real money makers left in the USA has to do with GMO's and chemicals, destroying food production around the world, making scarcities while controlling the only viable food supplies left, as well as Weapons Manufacturing. 12 years ago 40% of US jobs centered around the Military Industrial Complex. Damn, war is just good business, you don't want to see a massive depression instead of this little one we're living in now do
