Re: [lace] Re: Lace Frog
I had a somewhat similar situation. I had been on holiday in England and had brought back some bobbins and had started teaching myself. I didn't have any fine pins or proper lace thread, but I was beginning to get the hang of the lace. I heard about a lace course being offered in Ottawa by a teacher from Toronto, and while I wasn't able to go for the whole weekend, I did go for a while to meet people and the teacher on the Sunday morning. The teacher (whose name I forget - blacked out for ever from my memory in disgust at her attitude) took one look at my feeble attempts and said in a very snooty voice - Not very good, is it? (I knew that - I didn't need it to be said, I was looking for help). Of course, she continued, the problem is that you are using the wrong thread. You will only produce good lace if you use linen thread. OK lady - where the heck can you go into a shop a buy linen thread. I was so disappointed in her attitude it made me determined to prove her wrong. I had made several years worth of lace before I bought my first reel of linen thread. As a side note to that situation. Most of the people on that course, and me, formed a group and got together once a month. I was still exploring different patterns, found a nice gentleman in B.C. who made bobbins, got finer thread from England and pressed on trying different patterns. Others who had been on the course were still struggling with the bookmark she had been teaching months and months later because her teaching had been to take each pupil pin to pin telling them how to do each bit and most of them didn't understand what, how or why they were doing what they were doing. Malvary - in Ottawa where we had a very heavy rainstorm last evening, but it is bright and clear for now - off to work. - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Lace Frog
In my first lace class there had been a lady who'd been making lace for several years and who ,according to the rest of the class, was very competent in several types of lace. She'd had to leave the class when she moved out of the area, and the teacher in the class she then joined made her go back to producing a bandage and said she had to work through samples of basic elements to prove she could produce work of a satisfactory standard before she would be allowed to work on a piece of her own choice. Naturally she only stayed a couple of weeks. On the other hand two ladies joined the class I'm currently in last September. By February neither was aware of their limitations, so they had no limitations and were thoroughly enjoying what they were doing. Jean in Poole - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Doreen Wright
It is with great sadness, we tell you of the death of Mrs Doreen Wright this afternoon. I was very sorry to hear about Doreen Wright - and a little surprised that there has been no more comment about her. I never knew her, except as the founding chairman of the Lace Guild (and I was only a teenager at the time so not very interested in such things). But does no one else on the list remember her? and is prepared to share an anecdote? I was always told that she was quite a character! Jane Southampton, UK - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] 5 metres of lace
Hi everyone I have contacted Sofie - she had written to us at the Gazette in French, which sent us scrambling for our 'dictionnaire' -- bye for now Bev in Sooke, BC (west coast of Canada) Canadian Lacemaker Gazette http://www.lacegazette.com - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Miss Channer's mat
On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 12:08:46 -0400, Marcie wrote: I remember the discussion too, but I can't remember what was said. What we need to know is when the pricking was first made and if it is early enough, that is sufficient. Otherwise we need to know when Miss Channer died. Before a certain date (around about 1900, I think), the point at which the original was created is used, after that date the death of the author is used as the starting point for counting the years till it is in the public domain. Miss Channer's relatives probably hold the copyright to her pricking and any attending materials she herself made and Ruth Bean may only have a copyright on their printed form of the material (it would be interesting to find out if they were even the original printers of the book.) Miss Channer was British, she did the design in Britain and Ruth Bean is also in Britain, so the relevant copyright law is British law. To be out of copyright in Britain the author has to have been dead for over 70 years i.e. to have died by 1933. I have a vague recollection that Miss Channer has been discussed here before, and that she was alive a lot later than that. So the copyright would still be current. From whom and how the copyright ended up with Ruth Bean makes no difference to whether the copyright still exists. In Britain, so far as I know the rules about date of creation of the original are only relevant for something published by a company, or something published without an author's name attached to it. Neither of those would apply in this case. -- Love is the most subtle form of self-interest. - Holbrook Jackson Steph Peters, Manchester, England [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re Miss Channer
Miss Channer died in March 1949. A picture of the lace does not appear in her little book 'Lace-making in the Midlands' published in 1900 but does appear in 'Practical Lacemaking' published in 1928, there is not a pricking in either. Interestingly in my first edition 'Practical Lacemaking' the name of Dryad appears in the corner of the picture of the mat. The note in the book by Anne Buck regarding the mat, designed by Miss Channer and made by Mrs Dixon of Clapham, Beds, gives acknowledgement to the Cecil Higgins Art Gallery, Bedford. Patricia Bury adapted the original pricking and made the lace sample. Diana in Northamptonshire - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Crochet curtain
Dear Spider, I'm in need of ideas. I have a crochet curtain, which I have made in my living room. It is about 70 cm wide and 150 cms long. After the fire, the people who cleaned the house just took the curtain off the rod and sent it to the cleaners. (I was in the States at the time, remember?) Well it came back all distorted. It shrunk in odd ways. The long sides of the curtain got wavy and it looks horrible. I tried to add several rows to the length and to pull it in the correct direction but to no avail. The odd shape stays there. Any idea how I can save my curtain? It took me years to make it and I definitely won't make another one. It has a lovely design of a weeping willow and at night against the dark background it is beautiful. Only my heart aches when I look at it. Miriam in Israel - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Miss Channer/jurisdictional issues
Sorry to intrude, Ladies, but as an attorney, I would like to remind you that law is nothing unless it can be enforced. Enforcement through the courts is a very expensive proposition. Copyright litigation can easily go into the tens or even hundreds of thousands of dollars. So if the infraction is not costing enough to warrant the enforcement the matter is non Justiciable on an economic basis. As to collecting attorney's fees and costs from the one committing the infraction? You cannot get blood from a turnip, and I don't know too many well heeled lace makers. I hope that puts a different face on the question. Tom Andrews - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Miss Channer/enforcement issues
Hi Tom, and Devon, and other lacemakers! To take this question in a slightly different direction, how much would the original design have to be changed in order to call it an original design? If a creative lacemaker used the mat as inspiration and made a design that looked a great deal like the mat - but was not an exact duplication - would that be a violation of copyright? Clay - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 4:34 PM Subject: Re: [lace] Miss Channer/enforcement issues So, Tom, if someone were, hypothetically speaking, not that I am advocating it, to very quietly and in a non-public place, photocopy the pattern and give it to her friend, how would the damages be reckoned? Ruth Bean repeatedly goes on record as saying that it is not worth reprinting. However, they did respond with a reminder that they own the copyright at one point when someone offered on-line to photocopy it for another person. I don't think anyone is actually proposing to run off as many as a hundred copies, and if they did, they would lose their shirts on the enterprise, much as Ruth Bean, apparently would if they did it. It is the person who reproduces the pattern that suffers economic loss in this scenario, so how do you calculate damages? It would be an interesting question for a law school exam. It seems to me that every year Ruth Bean is deluged with e-mails from people pleading to have them reprint this pattern. This kind of annoyance is probably unknown for The Idiot's Guide to Safe Cracking, for instance, but the lacemakers are a fanatically law abiding group. Devon who never advocates law-breaking. - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Miss Channer/enforcement issues
Any thoughts of stealing copies of the mat are dreadful. However annoying it may be not being able to get a copy even copying and giving it to your friend is illegal. Okay perhaps I feel really strongly about it because Biggins design and produce patterns which are blatantly copied but it is not morally right. KEEP LACING, VIVIENNE, BIGGINS - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Miss Channer/enforcement issues
If perchance, a hypothetical lacer made a copy of Miss Channer's Mat and gave it to a friend, and if Ruth Bean had someway of knowing about such a private transaction, and if she could find a lawyer to take the case; she would be entitled to the profit she would have made had she sold the recipient lacer the pricking. Hardly worth going after, is it? Now, maybe some of our British friends could enlighten me on British copyright law, but in the States a copyright is only good for fifty years after the death of person who copyrighted it. Now as memory serves me, copyrights were recently brought up in Congress and extended in order to put money in the coffers of Walt Disney, Inc. whose copyrights on his troop of characters were about to expire. I wonder if under British copyright law the copyright on a hundred plus year old mat has not expired. Besides, I wouldn't want one. I would need at least eight for a complete place setting. Anyone game? Tom Andrews - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 3:34 PM Subject: Re: [lace] Miss Channer/enforcement issues So, Tom, if someone were, hypothetically speaking, not that I am advocating it, to very quietly and in a non-public place, photocopy the pattern and give it to her friend, how would the damages be reckoned? Ruth Bean repeatedly goes on record as saying that it is not worth reprinting. However, they did respond with a reminder that they own the copyright at one point when someone offered on-line to photocopy it for another person. I don't think anyone is actually proposing to run off as many as a hundred copies, and if they did, they would lose their shirts on the enterprise, much as Ruth Bean, apparently would if they did it. It is the person who reproduces the pattern that suffers economic loss in this scenario, so how do you calculate damages? It would be an interesting question for a law school exam. It seems to me that every year Ruth Bean is deluged with e-mails from people pleading to have them reprint this pattern. This kind of annoyance is probably unknown for The Idiot's Guide to Safe Cracking, for instance, but the lacemakers are a fanatically law abiding group. Devon who never advocates law-breaking. - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Miss Channer/enforcement issues
Although not hard and fast. The cases I have read would indicate that a Fifteen percent (15%) change would be a new design. I'd go Twenty percent (20%) to be sure. How you measure that is a jury question. I might suggest you leave out the hard parts. Tom - Original Message - From: Clay Blackwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 3:59 PM Subject: Re: [lace] Miss Channer/enforcement issues Hi Tom, and Devon, and other lacemakers! To take this question in a slightly different direction, how much would the original design have to be changed in order to call it an original design? If a creative lacemaker used the mat as inspiration and made a design that looked a great deal like the mat - but was not an exact duplication - would that be a violation of copyright? Clay - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 4:34 PM Subject: Re: [lace] Miss Channer/enforcement issues So, Tom, if someone were, hypothetically speaking, not that I am advocating it, to very quietly and in a non-public place, photocopy the pattern and give it to her friend, how would the damages be reckoned? Ruth Bean repeatedly goes on record as saying that it is not worth reprinting. However, they did respond with a reminder that they own the copyright at one point when someone offered on-line to photocopy it for another person. I don't think anyone is actually proposing to run off as many as a hundred copies, and if they did, they would lose their shirts on the enterprise, much as Ruth Bean, apparently would if they did it. It is the person who reproduces the pattern that suffers economic loss in this scenario, so how do you calculate damages? It would be an interesting question for a law school exam. It seems to me that every year Ruth Bean is deluged with e-mails from people pleading to have them reprint this pattern. This kind of annoyance is probably unknown for The Idiot's Guide to Safe Cracking, for instance, but the lacemakers are a fanatically law abiding group. Devon who never advocates law-breaking. - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] au revoir, so long, ta ta - etc. . . .
Well, ladies, it's been both fun and educational, but I'm not leaving to stagnate (compost ? g) - I will be 'growing' in a different direction. I'm going to lurk for awhile, weaning myself away before I unsub, meanwhile getting over missing you . . . Thank you to all who have replied to my posts, whether it was to chastise me (learning experiences) or support me (heart-warming !) and also to those who may not have replied but still took the time to read my posts 'just in case' . . . I know I will suffer withdrawal pains !! but I am intending to check in now and then with a few who have become dear to me, and ask them (you know who you are!) to remember me now and then . . . [EMAIL PROTECTED] Toni in Seattle To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] Bounce dryer sheets
I have a friend who runs a ferret rescue. I was amazed at how she could sometimes have as many as 25 animals at one time and NO pet odor. She uses Bounce in her dryer when she washes their bedding, hammocks, etc., and also layers unused sheets of Bounce between the freshly dried bedding when she puts it away. She has never had a problem with any ferrets having a reaction to it, even though a large portion of the animals are elderly or have medical conditions. Barbara in Rhode Island To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] :) Fwd: who said women don't enjoy laundry?
I think I've seen this one before, but it's still good... :) From: R.P. Dear Tide: I'm writing to say what an excellent product you have. I've used it since the beginning of married life, when my mom told me it was the best. In fact, about a month ago, I spilled some red wine on my new white blouse. My husband started to berate me about my drinking problem. One thing led to another and I ended up with a lot of his blood on my white blouse as well. I tried to get the stain out using a bargain detergent, but it just wouldn't come out. After a quick trip out, I stopped and got a bottle of liquid Tide with bleach alternative, and all of the stains came out! They came out so well, in fact, that the DNA tests were negative! I thank you, once again, for a great product. Well, gotta go. I have to write a letter to the Hefty bag people. - Tamara P Duvall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Lexington, Virginia, USA Formerly of Warsaw, Poland To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Broadband
I am hoping I can get some information about broadband in Australia. My daughter and family will hopefully be living and working in northern NSW. They would like to know about Broadband. Is Broadband available, who supplies it. Any information on this subject would be much appreciated. I know that here there are still places that are unable to get broadband. Any information would be much appreciated. Jean in Newbury UK To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Retirement homes
With MIL having just gone into a residential home costing around 450 pounds (700 dollars) per week (Alzheimer's doesn't qualify for a nursing home which is more like 600 hundred pounds [1000 dollars]), this rings true for me: With the average cost for a Nursing Home per day reaching $188.00, there is a better way when we get old feeble. I have ascertained that I can get a nice room at the Holiday Inn for around $65.00...that leaves $123.00 a day for beer, food (room service), laundry, gratuities and special TV movies. They have a swimming pool, a workout room, a lounge, washer, dryer, etc. Most have free toothpaste and razors, and all have free shampoo and soap. That could solve my problem when the times comes because there's no way I want to sing-a-long-a-max (group singing to old time songs) or play bingo. Jean in Poole To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] Re: Food Allergies
Tamara P. Duvall wrote: I don't think it's quite as simple as that... I was told (way back in my childhood) that allergies (food or otherwise) are genetic -- that we pass them on, if not always in exactly the same form. If so, then they spread like a weed (sorry, I can't remember the English term... geometrical progression? when you have 1 in first generation, 2 in the second, 4 in the third, etc?). There is also another theory being tested in Switzerland, I think. The theory is that if we are protected from too many bugs when we are young, our immune system goes overboard when we have to face these bugs as an adult. They noticed that children who live on farms have a lower rate of allergy than town children. The idea being tested is that exposure to animals helps develop a better immune system. My father always believed that a healthy child had consumed at least a bucket of dirt by the time they were two years old. When my children were young I gradually weaned them off having everything sterilised before it went in their mouths before they were a year old. My daughter is as healthy as an ox in the immune department. In Shepparton every fourth child seems to suffer from asthma in varying degrees. When my son gets a cold (about once a year) You will hear the occasional soft wheeze from lung congestion. Other mothers say he has asthma but the doctors say he is perfectly healthy. Maybe this is part of the answer, maybe it is more complex. Something more to think about. Regards, Vickie in a frosty Shepparton, Australia. To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
