[lace] my new treasures
Dear all, I was recently in Lyon and had some time free, so I went antiquing. After walking nearly the length of rue Auguste Comte, where I was told all the antique dealers could be found, I finally found a place selling at least a few textiles. I told the owner I was interested in lace, and she pointed me to a heap of textiles in one corner, then brought out a plastic bag stuffed with textiles of various sorts. After digging through both bags and finding a lot of old napkins, machine lace yardage, and so on, I finally near the bottom of the second bag found some things I had to rescue: - three hankies with hand-made Cluny edging; nothing spectacular, but worth it none the less. One of them still had its Hand Made Lace label attached, giving the source (don't remember what it says, as it is at home and I am not). - one piece of heavy card with two almost-certainly machine-made samples of what looks like fake Duchesse, perhaps, glued down, and a handwritten label attached. - two pages, unfortunately folded in thirds from side to side, of heavy blue stock with a total of 27 definitely machine-made lace samples scotch-taped to the card and labels attached to the side of the card; prices are listed as being for 1000 yards. Almost certainly these two last items are French; the text on the third one is (unless my memory fails me) in French. I know that what I have has no real monetary value. But it needed rescue and it's a bit of history. Now, the question is, how do I treat it? Both of them have suffered from being stuffed into a bag, and certainly the scotch tape and so on aren't necessarily good for the fibers. But my feeling is that if I were to separate any of it, it would decrease the historical value (what little it has). Do I photograph it, treat it as nicely as I can, and let it go at that? Any suggestions are welcome. Tonight, once I have my home computer hooked up and have the time to do so, I will post more detailed descriptions of all of it. Best regards, Elizabeth Leverkusen, Germany - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [lace] Reprinting Miss Channer's Mat
May I ask a polite question here? Imagine that you've had a pattern or book for sale which has taken many, many hours to prepare and produce. The original print run is sold out, but for some reason or another, you decide that *now* is not the right time for you to reprint it again. The pattern or book is, after all, *your* property, so its up to you to decide what to do with it. Would you honestly be happy to hear that other people are considering photocopying or similarly reproducing your work, thus not only taking away your choice of how to manage your property? And thus depriving you of the income from future sales when you *do* decide to reprint? I suspect that, if we're honest, the answer would be no, if Miss Channer's mat was *our* property, we would not be happy to hear talk of others reproducing it. And let's remember, that the issue here is not Miss Channer's copyright on the dratted thing, but the copyright ownership of the pricking which suddenly, it would seem, half the lacemaking world has decided they want to own! Ruth Budge (Sydney, Australia - with apologies to those who are totally fed up with this discussion: after all, this is the second time in the 12 months I've been on Arachne that we've been round this circle!!) etherege [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:I am amazed. I haven't been a part of this discussion, I don't intend to make that mat. But here is a publisher who has apparently (or wasn't that correct??) informed Arachne members that the Channer mat is not in line for republication anytime in the near future. So what exactly is being lost if Arachne members publicly explore the means by which they can obtain the pricking? I feel gratitude to any person or entity that has helped to revive the lace tradition. On the other hand, I am not assured that if that person or entity had not acted, no one else would have. And I strongly dislike being reminded that I owe an eternal debt of gratitude -- please let me dispense that of my own free will. I have a copy, that I purchased of the Buck/Channer book. It has a photograph of the Channer mat on the front. Maybe once it was sold with a pricking, I don't know, but I have as much of a quibble with publishers who sell pattern packs and books with an illustration that one might reasonably assume to be included, as a publisher might have with me if I borrow a copy of a pricking from a friend. Lots of different viewpoints out there. Anyway, here is three cheers for free speech on Arachne, whether approved by publishers, distributors, vendors, or who. Carolyn Hastings Stow, MA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ruth Bean Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2003 6:08 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [lace] Reprinting Miss Channer's Mat The original of this posting was sent to the list over a week ago, but accidentally sent from an unregistered address and not posted. We (and others) have been astonished at recent exchanges on Arachne. A few members have been happy to discuss us and our business - even how to appropriate our copyright material, which in law is our intellectual property - often on the basis of wrong information, including an imaginary 1,000 print run! We wonder how other members would react at seeing their own activities discussed or their property being 'cased' on line in open forum. Talk of 'greedy and uncaring' publishers 'burying' Miss Channer's 'legacy', and other imaginative speculation, suggests ignorance of the realities of publishing, especially for a small specialist house such as ours, and of copyright law. Moreover, it ignores the recognised contribution Ruth Bean Publishers has made both to the revival of the craft since 1971, and to the standards of text and production for lace books. It was after all OUR initiative to prepare the Mat kit in the first place, and to publish it with Anne Buck's 'In the Cause of English Lace' (which itself includes a fine book by Miss Channer). Without this, it is most unlikely that either would have been available at all, and the Mat was available for a full 10 years. As far as reprinting is concerned, we consider our publications for reprinting whenever we can identify an economic demand, and we seek the views of our supplier customers, as is customary. This applies equally to the Mat and we'll advise the list and those who have written to us of any developments, but we do prefer to make our own decisions. It is our business and our funds we risk, but we are in the business of disseminating, not suppressing knowledge. Ruth Ruth Bean Publishers E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to
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Re: [lace] Thinking woman/publicity campaign
Having had the unusual experience of being last minute Publicity Chairman for the IOL convention, I found myself trying to explain the appeal of lacemaking to several reporters.The reporters came with the preconceived idea that people make lace to trim garments and because their grandmothers did it. However what they saw was people bent over pillows doing complex puzzle solving. At one point I heard a lacemaker characterize us as The MENSA of the craft world, which I thought was an interesting idea. Toward the end of the week I began to find myself speculating idly about how one might run an international publicity campaign for lacemaking itself. Ulrike Lohr made the claim that it was her observation that lacemakers divorce less frequently than the general population and have happier marriages. (Of course one might argue that people who who participate in social activities that seem to be almost exclusively female have less opportunity to stray.) I thought that if we didn't go with MENSA of the craft world as our campaign slogan we might try Lacemakers have happier marriages. As I went from room to room with the reporters I was also struck by the fact that a lot of what was being made did not look like what the reporters would consider lace. We went to Jana Novak's class, Louise Colgan's, Lenka Suchanek and Susie Johnson's Withof. I am beginning to wonder if the term lace is becoming misleading for what we do. Perhaps fiber-art using lace based technique or perhaps some other more catchy term should be devised for our great publicity campaign. The fact of the matter is that the word lace means machine manufactured cheap trim available in abundance to the majority of 21st century ears. While to us it means, complex thread puzzle of which it takes countless hours to complete a square inch. How would you run a publicity campaign for lacemaking? Devon - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] ADMIN: Miss Ch*nn*rs M*t
As I said earlier, I think that the topic of Miss Channer's Mat has been beaten to death. I turned a blind eye to further postings because I was hoping that Ruth Bean would respond, which she did, once her mailing address error was sorted out. Now I think it's wise to move on because the tone is becoming acrimonious and I have heard grumblings about the amount of space this topic has consumed. On the brighter side, I've been playing with one of the majordomo settings, so digest subscribers will have a list of subjects at the top. That should make perusing digests a lot easier. I've already made this change with the lace digest and will change the lace-chat digest when I get home. Unfortunately, I can't have the layout with the person's name or e-mail address beside the subject heading, because this version of majordomo doesn't support the digest_e-mail=yes feature, but the list of subject headings is better than nothing. Best wishes, Avital Arachne moderator - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Re: lace-digest V1 #3773 Miss Channer's Mat
The talk on this subject split into three main threads: 1) How difficult really was that mat and do I have enough bobbins for it? 2) Should we photocopy the pricking? 3) How badly does illegal copying harm pattern production? The first thread disappeared into the midst of polychromatic awe when we saw the photo of the fan and all got hot under the collar. The third thread was a very thoughtful discussion on the harm that illegal copying does and how we may both discourage designers and hurt them by doing it - also it helped to actually encourage a few of the people here to think about actually, maybe, could might, publish a few of their own patterns. In addition we also looked as the problems of reproduction in lace patterns - with the now infamous 2 too short pricking for the cake band out of one of the earlier english needlecraft magazines. However, all these good talks were overshadowed by a small but highly heated thread on the so called 'rights' of the lacemaker. You know ... It's my right to have anything that I want and I want it all now. I may have a want and a desire to have the pricking (actually I don't really but we'll pretend), so I have a want and a desire but I don't have a right to it. If I buy it, I have a right to own my copy, but I still don't have a right to it. I had a very interesting conversation off list with another spider and from that came out a very interesting theory - perhaps the real reason we have been known to 'pinch' designs and photocopy patterns is simple - laziness. We cannot be bothered to go and actually buy a book for ourselves, we cannot be bothered to write a cheque for a 65p pattern. That I find sad. I will not defend those who 'steal' patterns by photocopying them however I will protest that there are many excellent books which are now out of print and if we continue to photocopy books then we will never get the book published again. I personally would prefer books rather than a photocopy simply because they are more robust. When I started lacemaking I put all my single patterns into plastic pockets into a large ring binder. Now, 14 years later, virtually every lace guild photocopy (as that is how they used to sell them) has glued itself to the pocket resulting in most of the dots remaining in the pocket and not on the photocopy. Give me the book any day. And Ruth - once again to you and to Vivienne - keep up the good work - I for one support what you are doing but a big, big please from me - keep on the list and keep us informed of what is happening with you, the mat and any fantastic books you are producing. And if you want, feel free to clip us around the ears every so often - sometimes it's the only way we learn. Regards Liz In an email dated Mon, 8 Sep 2003 12:55:06 pm GMT, Ruth Bean [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: snipped When illegal methods (stealing) are discussed it discourages the publication of this and other specialist works, and harms the reputation of our list. snipped Ruth Ruth Bean Publishers E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Thinking woman/publicity campaign
Devon, I vouch for the fiber-art designation for making lace. Somehow I cringe when I hear it called a craft. Of course, in Roget's Thesarus, craft: art, cunning, deceit, shrewdness, skill, stratagem, technique, vocation. Guess it's the Southern hillbilly in me, but when I hear craft I pick cunning, deceit, shrewdness aka crafty. Then, too, I see the image of the wooden yard ornaments, sold at craft shows that depict a woman's behind stooped over the hedge or black spotted cows grazing; objects that are common to any well-appointed front lawn all across the Southland along with the truck tires painted white lining the dirt driveway. ((^_^)) By the way, I'm not crafty nor do I have any crafts on my lawn! Happy Lacemaking, Betty Ann, American by birth, Southern by the Grace of God [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...that if we didn't go with MENSA of the craft world as our campaign slogan ...Perhaps fiber-art using lace based technique... - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Thinking woman/publicity campaign
Not wishing to get into the entire art/craft debate again, I can say unequivocally that craft has a poorer connotation than art. When presenting ourselves to the outside world in the best possible light as one does in a publicity campaign the use of the term craft is probably best avoided. Devon who finds it interesting that a concept like Feng Shui that has been glitzily packaged seems to be able to captivate so many when an inherently more engaging passtime such as lacemaking seems to be overlooked. - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Thinking woman/publicity campaign
Someone, I think on this list used the word ***artisan***. Artist, one who creats and artisan, a skilled craftsman who renders. I think I will stop using the word craft.as you are right. Even tho' people who are in the know have great respect for a skilled craftsman (or woman, phooey), too many think of 'crafts ' as toilet paper roll 'binoculars' and soap bottle ' glasses holders. Please do not jump on me...I have made my share of those and they are a super way to get the uninitiated to use their hands. BarbE - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] re: A little knowledge . . .
... about that lovely linen collar, edged with Bedfordshire lace? Most of the laces I could not begin to put a name to and I hadn't thought to tape it. Finally was a scene where Richard is shown with his hand in the pockets of his breeches. I had a feeling that pockets were not fitted into clothing until a later date. Help. Jean in Cleveland U.K. Funny, this very show just came up on my Elizabethan Costumign list. I can't speak for the hanky; my understanding is stll that worked corners are later than 1620, but I haven't paid enough attention as I don't do hankies. The size doesn't bother me though. I *can* say that pockets are quite alright, a relatively new invention for the English, but there are extant examples of in-the-seam pockets from later Elizabethan. And without havign seen the actual show, I will say that much lace of the period has definite Bedfordshire/Cluny character. I have the woodcuts and portraits to prove it ;D I really need to see this show, now; I'm not a huge fan of Shakespeare's histories, but the scuttle-butt on the costuming list was that this was a visually excellant show. Chris - Glad to actually have a topic that speaks to my specialty :) = . |\_ Eagles may soar, (: _)Xbut weasels don't get |/ sucked into jet engines! __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Thinking woman/publicity campaign
Thanks, interesting. I guess that industriously throwing bobbins makes us a craftsman. We are little solar powered ***machines. Artisan is a bit hoity toity,,,bur maybe we live in a hoity toity age. ***solar power...we eat food, sun grows food ...hence are we not solar powered.?? BarbE snip.. The Macquarie Dictionary (Australian) considers an *artisan* to be: 1. one skilled in an industrial or applied art; a craftsman. - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] identifying lace
can anyone tell me what kind of lace this is? http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2554789347category=221 9 I was tentatively thinking needle lace? jenny barron Scotland - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: Miss Channer's second book - long, but nothing on copyright or the mat
Well, I've fallen into the temptation of joining the Channer debates. They've approached a subject dear to my heart, working floral Bucks (or Beds) without a diagram, but the real trigger is the acquisition last week of a copy of the original 1928 edition of Miss C's Practical Lacemaking Bucks Point-Ground. It was updated and republished in 1972, and reprinted in 1984, in all cases by Dryad. While they do have most of the original, the differences are very instructive. Miss C. quite clearly was providing instructions leading as directly as possible to working floral Bucks: the revision was aiming to allow people with little or no access to ready-made equipment or teachers to make the patterns in the book. This comes out very clearly in the section on honeycomb. Miss C.'s instructions are, I think, virtually unintelligible if you do not know at least what you're meant to be doing, while the revision's version is a model of clarity. However, Miss C.'s confusing method is, I think, mainly due to the way she sets out how to find the pairs to use for each pin hole - once understood, this would allow you to work the very tricky small irregular areas of honeycomb that crop up in floral Bucks, and do need care and accuracy to look good. Similarly, the original has one more floral and two less basic patterns than the revision. In the semi-floral and floral, Miss C. takes great care in setting out general principles to be followed when the feature being described (eg nook pin) recurs in a more complicated form, and stresses the need to keep cloth even and ground regular by looking at the lace, and thinking. The floral pattern has two heads worked (the same photo and pricking in both versions) - and they are different! The motives are placed in different bits of the ground, and the net forms differently around it. One quotation for Patty; An experienced worker will exercise her own taste and judgment in working a pattern of this sort. There is much scope for ingenuity in arranging the gimps, in making the ground even round the buds, and in arranging the threads nicely round the rings. The beginner will learn gradually how to get a good effect, and will, at first, probably cut off and hang on bobbins much more often than is necessary. In other words, what you've found for Beds applies to Bucks as well - and she explains why this is the way to go - nothing is worse than wanting to put extra pairs in three rows ago! The section on teaching, only in the original, goes on at great length on this: Lacemakers have no need to know how many threads a pattern contains or how many bobbins are needed for the work; they need not know how many stitches are required for any part of the work, and such counting and efforts of memory are detrimental since they distract attention... The essential thing is to learn how an effect is obtained...[the student] will not help herself by counting.. The habit of counting exact numbers in simple Torchon laces makes it a bad foundation for learning other laces... I don't think she would have approved of diagrams!! She has tips on the different ways of teaching adults and children (adults learn better from wider patterns, children from narrower - and being keen-sighted learn in fine thread as easily as in coarse), and how to manage mixed ability classes. She thinks using different coloured threads to help learn probably doesn't work but If, however, the making of a coloured lace is desired, there is no objection to the use of coloured thread when it is no longer looked upon as a help to the learner, but as an end in itself. Her views on which lace to learn first are equally sensible - Do you admire and wish to make Honiton or fine Brussels, and are you prepared to take great pains and spend a considerable amount of time? Then do not hesitate to begin straight away on Honiton. If you wish to make point ground or Point de Paris then begin with it, and do not waste time on Torchon or anything else... But the best advice, which I would love to follow, is at the beginning, on why you need not prick your own patterns: The parchments can, however, be bought ready pricked, and any pattern can be pricked to order at The Lace School, Northampton. All in all, as interesting historically as useful in practice! [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Lace at the Globe
Hi jean One of my lace teachers, Chris Prentis, has been making the lace for the Globe theatre for about a year now. She has made many yards of metallic lace to edge pantaloons etc. I do not think she has made any hanky edgings. It has been very exciting for us to see the lace as Chris designs it and we get to view the samples. I do know that a lot of research goes into the costumes and they do try to find the correct materials etc to get the right feel to the production. Sue Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] publicity
Devon I think your complex thread puzzle is a very good way to describe lacemaking and its appeal. I think the problem is not with your description, but with the reporters' misconceptions. They probably can't imagine anyone wanting to spend 100 hours making anything, and they don't know anyone who would. Part of the problem, I think, is that textile crafts are usually seen as women's work and is therefore relegated to 2nd or 3rd class status. If we were all becoming master wood carvers they would be more impressed. But woodcarving is usually seen as men's work and is therefore more highly regarded as a craft and an artform. One way to present lacemaking is to say that it is the textile equivalent of carving a life size eagle in flight with each feather delineated. If you managed to get across the complex puzzle solving aspect of what we do, I would call that a success. It sounds as if the reporters may have written their articles in their heads before they ever showed up, and just came to acquire the specifics to make it reporting instead of essay. When people ask me why I do it, lately I've been answering that I do it not for HAVING lace (that is what collectors do), but because the process fascinates me. I tell them that the process grabs hold of my emotions and puts them in order (rather like listening to Bach), and that the process is addictive and soothing. I take a dim view of reporters in general. I've been written up in 3 different local newspapers: 2 were local or alternative newspapers, and the first was one of Chicago's main papers, the one with world recognition. That first one, the reporter got half her facts wrong, and when she called to verify accuracy, and I told her the list of mistakes, she refused to change anything. (I have no idea why she called!) The other two, the lesser rags, did get their facts right and the articles were actually quite good in relating the totality of involvement -- craft, art, history, research -- that lacemaking is. Lorelei - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Fwd: Demonstrating in France
I'm forwarding this from lace-chat, since I know we have more French connections here, and I hope someone will be close enough to go and visit. It sounds wonderful. Begin forwarded message: From: jshester [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon Sep 8, 2003 19:11:07 US/Eastern To: Arachne Chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [lace-chat] Demonstrating in France Reply-To: jshester [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi all and especially those in France, I and 20 friends from the Border Lacemakers in South Wales, UK, will be demonstrating English laces at a Cultural Event in Coeur d'Abbayes, Montivilliers on September 20 and 21. There will be Bucks Point, Honiton and Beds as well as Torchon and a display of lace made by members of the BLM. I believe that there will be lacemakers from Belgium, Spain and France demonstrating their own laces. It sounds like it will be a great event to visit, but I've seen no mention of it in any lace magazine. If any of you do get there do come and say hallo. I'll be demonstating Honiton lace in coloured silk on the Saturday. We're making a holiday of it so after the weekend we're visiting Rouen, Bayeaux, moving on to Caen and then visiting Alencon before returning home. Are there any out of the way museums that we might miss as we'll be visiting all the usual tourist traps? Only 9 more days to go before we leave Jenny Mother of Matthew who turns the bobbins for me to pyrograph and add the sparklers and you to buy! To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Tamara P Duvall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Lexington, Virginia, USA Formerly of Warsaw, Poland - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] identifying lace
Hi All, Since no one else has written I will venture an opinion based on my limited lace knowledge and the fuzzy photos. I think it's chemical lace made to look like Irish Crochet. I may be totally wrong but it appears to have that slightly fuzzy look of chemical lace and I don't remember any of those little round circles in any NL I'm familar with. What's everybody else think? Jane in Vermont, USA where it was another gorgeous day and all the windows are open! [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message can anyone tell me what kind of lace this is? http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2554789347category=221 9 I was tentatively thinking needle lace? jenny barron Scotland - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] identifying lace
On Monday, Sep 8, 2003, at 21:04 US/Eastern, Jane Viking Swanson wrote: I think it's chemical lace [...] What's everybody else think? That was my thought also but, since the only pieces of chemcal lace I've seen had been 2-dimensional and this one is 3 (supposedly)... And since none of the close-ups was close enough up to see the little fuzzies left from the dissolved fabric... Jane in Vermont, USA where it was another gorgeous day and all the windows are open! Same in Lexington, Virginia -- a true golden autumn, 4th day in a row... The trees are still very green, but the *light* is gold-coloured - Tamara P Duvall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Lexington, Virginia, USA Formerly of Warsaw, Poland - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Need Help
Gentle Spiders, I'm going through some of my late MIL's sewing things, and came upon this little box , 2x2 square and 3/4 deep. On the box is Crazy-Daisy Winder for Finer Hand Weaving. It is manufactured by Ralph C. Springer Co. 11411 Joanne Place, Culver City, California. Inside the box is a brass object. Two circles sheets of metal with a knob on top and when the knob is turned, 12 pins pop out from between the sheets of brass (tin?) It looks vaguely familiar; I think my Mother may have had one when I was young, but I don't know how to use it. Dear MIL had a habit of throwing away directions to everything, so there is nothing to tell me what marvelous things I could make with this pretty little Crazy-Daisy Winder. Anyone know? Thanks for any information. Happy Lacemaking, Betty Ann in Roanoke, Virginia where it is glorious, the mums are blooming beautifully, the nights are cool, and the chestnuts are falling to happy squirrels. - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Need Help
I would guess that it is for making a teneriffe type lace. Carole Dublin, OH USA [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Need Help
Yes, Carol...It is the retractable arms that make the other modern Basciially it is Tenneriffe lace. Now why did I not remember that. I guess the memories crowded it out. BarbE - Original Message - From: Carole Lassak To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 9:32 PM Subject: Re: [lace] Need Help I would guess that it is for making a teneriffe type lace. Carole Dublin, OH USA [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] publicity
Lorelei - I love the way you put this! When my husband and I traveled to Germany and Belgium this past summer - I had to go to Brugge and the lace museum - (absolutely wonderful!) - my friends kept asking me if I bought any lace. I didn't - I bought books and bobbins and thread. I enjoy making it. But I have no desire to collect it. That's not my lace-thing. Tonnie Phoenix, AZ Lorelei Halley wrote: When people ask me why I do it, lately I've been answering that I do it not for HAVING lace (that is what collectors do), but because the process fascinates me. I tell them that the process grabs hold of my emotions and puts them in order (rather like listening to Bach), and that the process is addictive and soothing. - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Mark's coloring book..what a treat...very long ...and MP
Today...I was trying to get Hal back to working order so he would behave himself...Yes...Hal is my computer. Anyhoo...lo and behold what does my ears hear but the mail truck coming down my road and stopping at my mailboxso I left poor Hal...and went to my mailbox to check my mail. And there it was...what was ita bird...a plane...Underdog with his cape...NOPE...it was my coloring book from Mark. This is my impression on his book. Very whisical, idyllic,frollicking,playful,nostalgic of an era long gone. The pictures depict Victorian, the turn of the 19 century. In Grandma's Attic are two cute girls playing dress up...with hte long dresses and high heel shoes that are way too big for them. On their heads of these giganic hats with flowers galore around the brim. One of the girls has a very long pearl necklace on..the other one has a perfume bottle ( you know the old fashion ones where you give the bulb a squeeze) and in the background is the open truck and the big oval framed mirror. So cute! The Blacksmith Shop...funny how you forget in the olden days...there were no cars...in this picture you see two boys..on hitting the steel with the mallet ( or whatever he is doing...remember I am a female and really have no clue...plus I grew up as a city girl..LOL) and the other boy is putting the horse's shoe on. Old Fashioned Soda Shop has what makes me think of Paris...I don't know why..and hey...I really don't know why for I have never been there. But here is two kids..boy and girl drinking from two straws out of one Float I think it is. Again the picture makes me think of early 1900s. We have Mom crocheting and the daughter looking it over. Again with the hair up and the old fashion dress. Basket Weaving is something you don't see drawn out anywhere But here is the happy couple working away. I think the Playing with Marbles is really neat. Boys doing something that I don't think boys do anymore... In the Knitting one I love how Mom is clicking those needles and the son in the background is teasing the cat. Why do boys like doing that? There is a page untitled. It shows a woman in the park for a stroll. In the background you can see the old fashion gas lights and a man driving a horse and wagon. She has her huge flowered hat on with her parosole or umbrella with that form fitting dress as they use to wear them right up to their neck were their collars back then. And button shoes. How many button hooks have you seen in an antique store...me, many. What is an nostalgic without a picture of Baking got to have that you know...all those sweetsYumYum...Fresh out of the oven that pie looks like. And the pie crust was made like they use to...flour, water, touch of salt and some lard..and a rolling pin...Actually...I must admit when I make pies I also make my own crust. With the curly, swirly lines under their noses...you can just about imagine the smell that pie was giving off...I wonder was it an apple pie or a cherry pie though. We have the couple taking a stroll in the park. And the clothes are so 19 centurish ( hey...I made up a new word) We have quilting...Love the cameo Mom has on. We have Going to School Now days our kids have backpack...but in those day they had book straps...and remember most children had to walk to school. No yellow buses back then. And the school of coarse looks like an old school with the bell going off signaling hey...It is time for school. Oh and I love the boy who was swinging from the tree limb too. Now the next two pages are right up my alley. One is Tatting There is Mom tatting with her shuttle. She has tatting on her collar and on the edge of her collar and from her hand is a length of tatting being formed. The nice touch here is the tatted doily that is on the table under the vase of flowers. The little girl is sitting in a child's rocker and she is tatting too...but with a needle. Now how cool is that. Mom with a shuttle and daughter with a needle..and both have lengths of tatting forming. I did say two right...This one is called Bobbin Lace. And yup...there is the pillow...and lace...Oh my gosh...itis going down to the floor. I love the lamp that is sitting on the table. it is one of those with the fringe hanging down. And of coarse we have kitty sound asleepsss... We have a boy pushing a young lady in a swing...adn we have a nice picture of Pottery being thrown. The old man is just giving that pottery wheel a whirl. Messy..pottering is...I have done some of that ..but you can make some cool things out of pottery. Grandpa Telling Bedtime Stories I sometimes read to my grandson Timmy GuyI hope he will remember the times we have sat together with him on my lap and me reading to him. I know for me those times are some of the best of times...that sharing and closness. Now the next picture is wayyy too coool. It is cycle city here on this page. We got a unicycle, a tricycle, a bicycle built for two all
Re: [lace] publicity
Adele wrote: I suggested she call her work experiments in multi-directional woven structures I don't know if she has tried it yet, but I think lace might be more respected with some such less feminine name. It's stupid, but it's the way the world wags. Lacemaking is an off-loom weaving technique. When I tell weavers that, they grasp the structure of lace immediately, that it uses a pair of weft threads and that the weft is not restricted to horizontal, selvedge-to-sevedge movements. Structurally, it's closer to complex (I mean 'complex' in the sense of multilayer structures, not in the sense of 'not simple') weaving. Why not just make that aspect more prominent if lacemaking is demonstrated beside weaving? Avital - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Need Help
Betty Ann - Your MIL might not have thrown the directions away, 'cos my Daisy Wheel never had any to start with! I found some instructions in a local magazine (back in approximately 1965, so I haven't a hope of locating them now!) Basically, a continuous thread is wound around the opened-out pins, making loops around each one, from one side of the circle to the pin on the opposite side of the circle, then back to the first side, but moving on to the next pin each time you cross the circle. Once all the pins have been used, the loops are anchored by weaving under and over (a bit like darning) around the circle in different patterns. When the weaving is finished, the daisy is released by turning the pins back inside the two pieces of tin. I made a baby's jacket using this device, but it was a real pain, because it was far too lacy, and the baby kept catching her fingers, indeed whole hands, in the loops... even trying to put it on her was a real struggle. I never bothered doing anything else with it. Ruth Budge (Sydney, Australia) Clive and Betty Ann Rice [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Gentle Spiders, I'm going through some of my late MIL's sewing things, and came upon this little box , 2x2 square and 3/4 deep. On the box is Crazy-Daisy Winder for Finer Hand Weaving. It is manufactured by Ralph C. Springer Co. 11411 Joanne Place, Culver City, California. Inside the box is a brass object. Two circles sheets of metal with a knob on top and when the knob is turned, 12 pins pop out from between the sheets of brass (tin?) It looks vaguely familiar; I think my Mother may have had one when I was young, but I don't know how to use it. Dear MIL had a habit of throwing away directions to everything, so there is nothing to tell me what marvelous things I could make with this pretty little Crazy-Daisy Winder. Anyone know? Thanks for any information. Happy Lacemaking, Betty Ann in Roanoke, Virginia where it is glorious, the mums are blooming beautifully, the nights are cool, and the chestnuts are falling to happy squirrels. - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://search.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Search - Looking for more? Try the new Yahoo! Search - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Fwd: Re: [lace] Betty Ann's Crazy-Daisy
Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 22:15:09 -0700 To: Clive and Betty Ann Rice [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Patty Dowden [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [lace] Betty Ann's Crazy-Daisy I'm going through some of my late MIL's sewing things, and came upon this little box , 2x2 square and 3/4 deep. On the box is Crazy-Daisy Winder for Finer Hand Weaving. It is manufactured by Ralph C. Springer Co. 11411 Joanne Place, Culver City, California. Inside the box is a brass object. Two circles sheets of metal with a knob on top and when the knob is turned, 12 pins pop out from between the sheets of brass (tin?) It looks vaguely familiar; I think my Mother may have had one when I was young, but I don't know how to use it. Dear MIL had a habit of throwing away directions to everything, so there is nothing to tell me what marvelous things I could make with this pretty little Crazy-Daisy Winder. Anyone know? Thanks for any information. Happy Lacemaking, Betty Ann Hi Betty Ann, This brings back childhood memories for me. I got one in plastic as a child. It is sort of like what you would need to make teneriffe, but there are not nearly enough pins or sprockets to make fine teneriffe. The Crazy-Daisy was designed for working in yarn or thicker cotton threads. I remember being vastly puzzled by instructions for a 'diamond' shaped motif. At my tender age, diamonds meant only one thing to me - sparkly stuff - and I had no connection to diamond meaning a lozenge shape. There was this bridge-like thing that fit on top of the wheel which would make one set of sides have longer loops and thereby form the diamond. I never did figure it out at the time. It's only with the wisdom of age that I realize what it was for. Another thing was that the kit didn't supply enough yarn to do anything useful or entertaining. I found one recently in the same pink and blue plastic like the one I had and practically did a dance (in public, at a flea market) Fiber junkies unite! To replace those missing instructions: Wind thread around the sprockets just like you were making a five pointed star, but keep going until you use all the sprockets. Cut a length of the remaining yarn and needle weave a center to hold it together. When it suits you, tie off the yarn and pop it off the Crazy-Daisy by twisting the sprockets back into the head. With a zillion of these little motifs you could make something. Hope this solves the mystery for you. (But I like a little mystery, don't you?) Thanks for the memories Patty Dowden - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] photos (was: hat on backwards)
On Monday, Sep 8, 2003, at 00:40 US/Eastern, Lynn Carpenter wrote: What I always say is, Take lots of pictures. :D In 20 years, whatever the style today, they'll be groaning, I can't BELIEVE you let me dress that way! My Mother *tried* her best, but let me was never a part of my vocabulary... g There's a photo of me, snapped by some amateur U-campus photographer (and I hope he rots in h... g) in the winter of '69... A really *big* fur hat (de rigeur at that moment in Poland), a really tightly-fitting winter coat (ditto) which ended about 6 above the knee (but still covered the skirt, if you please g), a pair of really high boots (spoils of the '68 UK summer), and a really fierce scowl on my face (no wonder; below freezing covers a multitude of temperatures g). The photo was displayed -- for full 4 weeks! -- near the main entrance to the U, in the U-news, 50m-long, glassed-in show-case. That the photographer had no clue as to my identity (the caption was: a focused student, on her way to class) and that it was but a small part of the news (hopefully, not many people eve noticed it) was a mercy... :) The pictures will also be great for showing to their children. I retrieved the photo as soon as the display changed... Luckily for the photographer, I never disovered *his* identity, either... But I hid it from *everyone* -- my parents, my DH, my son -- none of them ever saw it. Didn't throw it away, though; like the messed up samples of laces, it reminds *me* of past mistakes, hopefully never to be repeated. It also teaches me humility, and forbearance towards other young ones, equally misguided in their pursuit of fitting... - Tamara P Duvall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Lexington, Virginia, USA Formerly of Warsaw, Poland To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Demonstrating in France
Hi all and especially those in France, I and 20 friends from the Border Lacemakers in South Wales, UK, will be demonstrating English laces at a Cultural Event in Coeur d'Abbayes, Montivilliers on September 20 and 21. There will be Bucks Point, Honiton and Beds as well as Torchon and a display of lace made by members of the BLM. I believe that there will be lacemakers from Belgium, Spain and France demonstrating their own laces. It sounds like it will be a great event to visit, but I've seen no mention of it in any lace magazine. If any of you do get there do come and say hallo. I'll be demonstating Honiton lace in coloured silk on the Saturday. We're making a holiday of it so after the weekend we're visiting Rouen, Bayeaux, moving on to Caen and then visiting Alencon before returning home. Are there any out of the way museums that we might miss as we'll be visiting all the usual tourist traps? Only 9 more days to go before we leave Jenny Mother of Matthew who turns the bobbins for me to pyrograph and add the sparklers and you to buy! To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] :) Fwd: Middle age faux pas
Fits right in with the discussion on the youthful fashions... g From: R.P. Despite what you may have seen on the streets, the following combinations do not go together: A nose ring and bifocals Spiked hair and bald spots A pierced tongue and dentures Miniskirts and support hose Ankle bracelets and corn pads Speedos and cellulite A bellybutton ring and a gallbladder surgery scar Unbuttoned disco shirts and a heart monitor Midriff shirts and a midriff bulge Bikinis and liver spots Short shorts and varicose veins In-line skates and a walker - Tamara P Duvall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Lexington, Virginia, USA Formerly of Warsaw, Poland To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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