[lace] Lace Terminology - Bedfordshire/Torchon
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Diana Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Another *mistake* is she mentions Nottinghamshire Not necessarily. In the histories of the machine lace industry (Nottingham in particular) there is mention that John Heathcote watched the natural movements of the hand lacemakers in order to imitate the twisting movement in the machinery. Admittedly he was in Loughborough, not Nottingham, at the time, but I would suspect that there were probably pockets of lacemakers in most of the rural communities - we have, maybe, a tendency to want to package things into easy chunks and that anything that doesn't fit in the package couldn't possibly have been so, could it? :-). Also, despite tradition, families did move quite large distances in those days - one of my father's side was born in Kent, moved to York, and finally settled in Rutland near Peterborough (he was a railway worker) - though the main area for his family name (Phippen) appears to be around Honiton! Lacemakers were not only the wives of agricultural workers - they were also married to railway navvies (and being a tracklayer's daughter, I'm following the tradition!). Another section of Dad's family moved from the Peterborough/Stamford area (Cambridgeshire/Lincolnshire border and Rutland) to Bradford (Yorkshire) to work the mines - they were farm workers before that - so it stands a chance that lacemakers who were married into the more nomadic agricultural families would not have stayed neatly put in Northamptonshire, Bedfordshire and Buckinghamshire - they would have followed their menfolk to where their work was - after all, it was the men who earned the money to keep the family, the woman's income was extra to this. I once came across some bobbins in a Cotswold antique shop labelled as West Midlands - this equally could have been a mistake, but also could have been accurate - we use East Midlands bobbins made in the West Midlands quite frequently now (and where I am, I am geographically sitting on the fence!). Only those around at the time, and their children (and maybe, grandchildren) will know exactly where lace was made for sure! Incidentally, Torchon lace was used for furnishings - and possibly could have meant a lace of low quality and coarse thread - in which case Bedfordshire of this type (rather than the finer variety used in clothing) could have been termed Bedfordshire-Torchon ? So many words change their meanings over the years! -- Jane Partridge - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Price of everything - value of nothing
Some people know the price of everything and the value of nothing! People ask to buy an article at which you may have sat and worked 100 hours. I consider I am worth as a fairly skilled lacemaker at least 10 to 15 GB pounds per hour. So that would make the piece in labour costs at least 1000 GBP. No-one would want to pay that price. I don't undervalue myself enough to sell at a lower price so I give my pieces as gifts to people I love. They treasure them as a gift of love and their love in return is of much more value. Rikki - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] 's Gravenmoer pillow
Can anyone tell me - does the replica 's Gravenmoer pillow on the Kleinhout Lace Supplies web site have moveable blocks in the working area? Or is it just a single, flat working surface? Kleinhout themselves say: This pillow is a replica from an original one from 's Gravenmoer in Holland, which was used in the 19th century. At the back-side there is a small compartment and a little drawer, the wooden rear panel is decorated with woodcarving. And it's still done by hand. Originally the pillows were filled with crin, made from the leaves of African palmtrees. We also use crin as a filling for these pillows. Reading that, and looking at the larger picture, no, there are no movable blocks. Hope this helps you, Ruth. Greetings from Beautiful British Columbia Esther Perry - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] *Witches' Work* - connection to Binche
Dear Lacemakers, My lace books did not yield information about *Witches' Work*, but there are numerous references to it in Lace Magazine International, which is no longer published. It is possible to order back issues at: www.lacemaking.com (This is the address on the gift bobbin attendees at IOLI convention received in their goodie bags) Click on Lace Magazine, and you can read tables of contents of the magazines. The last issue was #56 in 2000. I do not have a complete collection, but here are some references to *Witches' Work* - the name of which has been highlighted throughout with asterisks: 2000, Issue #56, page 23 - Title of article: 'Lace Collecting with a Focus'. Quote: It made mother visibly happy that I was able to distinguish - at a glance - a Mechelen lace from a Valenciennes, a Feather Binche, or a forerunner of *Witches' Work*. Text by Lieve Jerger - editor of the magazine. 1998, Issue #46, page 29 - Title of article: '18th Century Binche Lace Recreation'. Quote in reference to Binche and the term 'Antiek' which is used in Belgium for all laces that have the twisted (CTCT/red) open rim, outlining the motifs: Once you have mastered this technique, you can design your own Point de Fees, the fabled *Witches Work* which is the finest achievement of Binche lace. Diagrams and Pricking by Michael Giusiana. Text by Lieve Jerger. 1997, Issue #41, page 15 and Cover - Title of article: 'What is Binche Lace?' Quote: Binche laces can be sorted in three major groupings: a) Feather-Binche b) Binche based on four strand grounds c) *Witches Work*, Toveressewerk or Point de Fees. Caption of detail of front cover: Apostoline Sister Roberta and others in Bruges today still create *Witches' Work*. The method used for passing threads fluently and neatly from one pattern into another descends directly from the halo ring technique found in the early Antwerp laces. Surplus threads are worked towards the edge below into a netstitch field. No threads are added or taken out of this lace. Text by Berthilda Vandoren, late mother of Lieve Jerger, with illustrations from the Spieghel Collection. 1995, Issue 36, page 20 - Title of article: 'Lace Instruction in Bruges, Belgium'. Picture caption: Toveressework or *Witches Work* like this illustrates the incredible lace legacy of the Aposteline Nuns who started the contemporary Bruges Kantcentrum in 1717. It is probable that earlier editions contain more references to *Witches' Work* and/or the Aposteline Nuns. You might do further research about Aposteline Nuns, Toveressework, or Point de Fees. For those who enjoy the history of lace and lacemakers, these Lace Magazine International publications would be valued reference material for your home libraries. The price has been greatly reduced. Toward the end of the publication of the magazines, the price at Borders book store was $8.50 per issue! I looked quickly at Michael Giusiana's three books on Binche lace, and did not find references to *Witches' Work*. However - in connection with another discussion on Arachne last week (Costumes for Shakespearean productions) -- Giusiana's Binche I (Subtitled: Around the Corner: Handkerchiefs) has a two-page history of the handkerchief. The historic review goes back to Persian and Roman times, tells when handkerchiefs were first standardized as to shape, and ends with the plain Kleenex(tm) now in use worldwide. To the original person who inquired about *Witches' Work*: There are probably several of us who have spent a great deal of time trying to find an answer for you. Very often a question is short, and the answer is not. What is the purpose behind the request? Jeri Ames in Maine USA Lace and Embroidery Resource Center - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] thread equivelent
Hello ladies, I need an equivelent to size 80 Condonnet Special. Could someone help me please?Thank You so very much. Hannah Moad, SW Missouri - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [lace] *Witches' Work* - connection to Binche
I appreciate and thank those who are delving into this subject on my behalf!! After I posted my question a few weeks ago on Flanders corners, Michael Giusiana's Flanders articles in LMi were brought to my attention. I only own the last two issues, but there is a complete set of LMi at the house where we have our Wednesday lace session and I started plowing through them after the Flanders information. Of course the wonderful Binche articles caught my eye but I didn't have time to do more than skim through them. That was when I came across the term Witches' Work and a hint that it was a lace that was on beyond Binche so I asked the group if anyone knew what it was. Some one thought it might be another name for Binche but no one really knew for sure. Being a recent victim of Binche fever I was more than curious about a lace that might be a step beyond Binche and I figured that there had to be someone on arachne who knew what this lace was and probably a good many lacemakers besides myself who would be interested in learning what it is, if it is still being made, if anyone still teaches it and so forth. I have been asking other lacemakers since that day and another response I got was that Witches' Work was like Binche with a lot of tallies. Now I can go back through Jeri's references next Wednesday and read them more closely. Thanks a bunch for weeding through the LMi back issues and posting these to the forum. Marcie Original Post: To the original person who inquired about *Witches' Work*: There are probably several of us who have spent a great deal of time trying to find an answer for you. Very often a question is short, and the answer is not. What is the purpose behind the request? - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Bobbins with hooks -- again!
I just want to thank everyone tremendously for all the good information, links and photos of hookies that you sent to me privately and via list. I was amazed at how many people responded and knew right where to find them! I was even more amazed at the variety of bobbins I saw! This is such a kind and giving group, always ready to help. I only hope one day I'll be able to give some info back to some of you, as well (that is, if I *ever* manage to become something more than a beginner g)... Thanks SO much for all the info that you sent to me! :-) Skye in VA (who's more than a little nervous about the approaching Hurricane Isabel!) -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner/Bingo, and is believed to be clean. - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Fwd: 9-11 hearts
Begin forwarded message: From: Sue Hanson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri Sep 12, 2003 03:47:27 US/Eastern To: Tamara P. Duvall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: 9-11 hearts Hi Tamara, Could you doo me a great favour please and post this to the Arachne list for me? I got thrown off ages ago when a virus shut it down and I just ain't got around to resubbing... Health is real crook unfortuantely :-(( Thanks sweetie Love, light peace Sue Hanson, SE London, UK NATA #056 [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- forwarded message --- Hi folks, loong time no post... After much hard work by many folks the Rememberance hearts that many Arachne members made and sent on to me have made their way :-) Many thanks to Emma Crew for the final leg of their journey. :-)) Thank you all that participated - The grand total was 3,781 Love, light peace Sue Hanson, SE London, UK NATA #056 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tamara P Duvall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Lexington, Virginia, USA Formerly of Warsaw, Poland - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Antique Bobbin Winder
First, let me introduce myself. I am Ruth Johnson of Ottawa, Ontario, Canada and this is my first post to this website. I have been making bobbin lace since 1995. At a recent antique sale I made an exciting purchase - an antique bobbin winder. The seller had bought it from another dealer who said it was from the 1830s and Welsh. I haven't been able to find anything on the Internet to authenticate its age, location of manufacture, rarity, or value. A friend did some research in her personal library and found something similar in Charles Freeman's Pillow Lace in the East Midlands, page 42, figure 3. A wooden screw mechanism holds the winder onto the edge of a table. It seems this design was made later than the earliest winders, but there is no indication of when later was. I have no idea what kind of wood it is made from. The bottom part that clamps to the table appears to have been stained (not painted) with a black ink-like colour and there is evidence of this colour in some of the grooves on the flywheel. The winder is in wonderful condition and runs smoothly. It shows evidence of gentle use and could be used again (but with the risk of breaking the bobbin holder by forcing a bobbin into it). The cord on the flywheel has been replaced by a modern elastic band. I would greatly appreciate any further information anyone can provide to assist me in learning more about this antique winder. - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Antique Bobbin Winder
First, let me introduce myself. I am Ruth Johnson of Ottawa, Ontario, Canada and this is my first post to this website. I have been making bobbin lace since 1995. At a recent antique sale I made an exciting purchase - an antique bobbin winder. The seller had bought it from another dealer who said it was from the 1830s and Welsh. I haven't been able to find anything on the Internet to authenticate its age, location of manufacture, rarity, or value. A friend did some research in her personal library and found something similar in Charles Freeman's Pillow Lace in the East Midlands, page 42, figure 3. A wooden screw mechanism holds the winder onto the edge of a table. It seems this design was made later than the earliest winders, but there is no indication of when later was. I have no idea what kind of wood it is made from. The bottom part that clamps to the table appears to have been stained (not painted) with a black ink-like colour and there is evidence of this colour in some of the grooves on the flywheel. The winder is in wonderful condition and runs smoothly. It shows evidence of gentle use and could be used again (but with the risk of breaking the bobbin holder by forcing a bobbin into it). The cord on the flywheel has been replaced by a modern elastic band. I would greatly appreciate any further information anyone can provide to assist me in learning more about this antique winder. - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Question about divider pins
Hi Candace - I have found that the most satisfactory start for divider pins is doll making needles. They are longer than 2, but you need something to go up into the bead. The eye of the needle helps the glue and the beads hold on, they are stronger and stiffer and the points are sharper and smoother - an important point (please pardon the pun!). They can be had from needlework/sewing/hobby shops and catalogues. I got mine from a shop specializing in embroidery, knitting, etc. Good luck, Linda, the string--a-holic in Oregon - Original Message - From: candace [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 12, 2003 2:34 PM Subject: [lace] Question about divider pins Hi all, My question is where can I buy 2 (50mm) stainless steel straight pins (without glass heads) for making divider pins. I have several pretty beads that are too big for spangling but would make great divider pins. The What pins do you use to make your own divider pins? --- [This E-mail Scanned for viruses by Onlinemac.com] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Price of everything - value of nothing
I agree! I know a lady who keeps asking me if I sell my lace, because she'd like to buy a piece for her daughter. I don't know whether the daughter would even appreciate a simple lace bookmark, and as I'm always struggling to find time to work projects for myself without making lace for others to not appreciate, I've always declined, telling her that it'd cost too much. I usually quote the number of hours for the project, then point out that, even at $AUD5 per hour (about 2 GBP) the cost would be ... And of course, even pizza delivery people get more than that! That usually brings gasps of astonishment, and the person decides they don't want a piece of lace as badly as they thought. This particular lady will not accept No for an answer, and she keeps pestering me. She is an artist who sells her pictures - and having seen them in the shop, I know how much she's charging. However, her last snappy comment when I told her I didn't sell my lace was to the effect that she thought I should be prepared to give it away for the pleasure of sharing my skills with others. I held my tongue - but the temptation to tell her that the day she gives her pictures away, I'll give my lace away was very great!! Ruth Budge (Sydney, Australia) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Some people know the price of everything and the value of nothing! People ask to buy an article at which you may have sat and worked 100 hours. I consider I am worth as a fairly skilled lacemaker at least 10 to 15 GB pounds per hour. So that would make the piece in labour costs at least 1000 GBP. No-one would want to pay that price. I don't undervalue myself enough to sell at a lower price so I give my pieces as gifts to people I love. They treasure them as a gift of love and their love in return is of much more value. Rikki - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://search.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Search - Looking for more? Try the new Yahoo! Search - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: Price of everything - value of nothing
On Saturday, Sep 13, 2003, at 21:53 US/Eastern, Ruth Budge wrote: the temptation to tell her that the day she gives her pictures away, I'll give my lace away was very great!! That's simple enough; if her pictures are anywhere-near decent and worth having, you could offer to barter -- skill for skill...:) Pricing by the hour doesn't really work for us, because most of us don't make fast lace. Too many of us hop from one technique to another to become really proficient at any. But, even more than that, too many of us are too persnickety about the perfection of the product -- we spend a lot of time *un*-doing what we'd done, to correct a mistake that only we can see. The professional lacemakers didn't do that -- and *still* perished, when faced with the competition of machines... - Tamara P Duvall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Lexington, Virginia, USA Formerly of Warsaw, Poland - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Price of everything - value of nothing
Ruth- if you like her paintings, you could choose the most expensive one in the shop and offer her an appropriately small bookmark in exchange - on the barter system. Malvary - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] *Witches' Work* - connection to Binche - Comment #2
In a message dated 9/13/03 7:21:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I appreciate and thank those who are delving into this subject on my behalf!! After I posted my question a few weeks ago on Flanders corners, Michael Giusiana's Flanders articles in LMi were brought to my attention. - Dear Lacemakers, The above quotation refers to Flanders lace. In the interest of accuracy, I think it important to note that the Binche research reflected in Lace Magazine International was done over a lifetime - by Berthilde Vandoren, mother of the editor - Lieve Jerger, and the text of each article cited was written by either mother or daughter. In the articles referenced in my reply, Michael Giusiana was mentioned in connection with the diagrams and pricking in issue #46, 1998. It is possible Mr. Giusiana has written about Witches' Work, but I did not find it in the editions from which I gave details, and I prefer to be quoted as saying texts were written by Mme. Vandoren and Lieve Jerger. Mr. Giusiana is credited elsewhere in these magazines as our Master Pattern Curator at LMi. In the final edition of LMi (#56), Lieve Jerger wrote a wonderful tribute to her mother. How nice it would be if all our great lace experts could be acknowledged in such a comprehensive and loving way. Jeri Ames in Maine USA Lace and Embroidery Resource Center - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Re: Price of everything - value of nothing
Sorry, Tamara, that won't work. My DH will tell you that *he* asked me to take up lacemaking because we'd run out of wall space for my counted cross stitch and tapestry creations!! Ruth (Sydney, Australia) Tamara P. Duvall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:On Saturday, Sep 13, 2003, at 21:53 US/Eastern, Ruth Budge wrote: the temptation to tell her that the day she gives her pictures away, I'll give my lace away was very great!! That's simple enough; if her pictures are anywhere-near decent and worth having, you could offer to barter -- skill for skill...:) http://search.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Search - Looking for more? Try the new Yahoo! Search - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Freeview - Applies to UK only
Looking up our reception ability on the official digital website, the message for my postcode is that there are no plans for digital. The Freeview website tells me that Freeview isn't available for my postcode. But a friend of DH, whose postcode is only supposed to be able to receive 2 digital channels, decided he'd buy a box and try it anyway. He can get all Freeview channels on his existing aerial. So he suggest that we borrow it to see if we could get anything - we can. We can't get ITV1 or Channel 4, but we've got those on analogue. We can't get ITV2, Teletext or ITV News. We can receive everything else perfectly, including 19 digital radio stations, with the aerial that's been strapped to the chimney for the past goodness-knows-how-many years. If we upgraded our aerial, we might even be able to get the missing ones, but as the digital ones are mainly repeats, we probably won't bother. The only problem we had with the set up was that we'd never read the instruction book for the TV, but when we die, found we had to press the AV button on the remote to get it to receive from the digital box, then TV to get back to analogue. So DH has been listening to a jazz radio programme, watching UK History and pressing the red button like mad on the TV channels. We can finally get Channel 5, which we haven't been able to because we're too close to France and for us to get a strong enough digital signal, it would interfere with French TV. Just thought that Arachneans in the UK would like to know that the postcode digital reception information seems to be complete rubbish, and if anyone's not been buying a box because of it, it's worth borrowing one to see what you can get. We'd not gone for cable or satellite because most of the content of the package didn't appeal to us at all, and we don't see the point of paying 38 pounds a month for the couple of extra channels we'd watch. Jean in Poole To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Home from England trip
Gentle Spiders, I have returned (and mostly recovered) from my grand England trip. In the interest of conserving bandwidth, I'll give a very brief overview now, and anyone interested in an in-depth blow-by-blow can email me, and I'll send it out to them when I get finished (or at least started) on writing it. With the exception of going light on paintings, I saw, at least briefly, nearly all the recommended sights, including most of 4 days spent at the Victoria and Albert. There was an awful lot of lace in there, and not just in the textile rooms (I took extensive photographs of most of it, though they're currently a little dark since I had to do without the flash -- all will be corrected digitally, eventually). I saw the Tower, Parliament, Kensington Palace, Tower Bridge, Buckingham Palace, the Fan Museum, the Elizabeth I exhibit, the British Museum (with *the* Rosetta Stone!), the British Library (the Magna Carta, Gutenberg Bible, Lindisfarne Gospels and many other written treasures), the Costume Museum, Abbey and Roman Spa at Bath and a bunch of other stuff I'm blanking on at the moment, which is why I wrote down notes, every day. I want to thank everyone who sent me advice, reassurance, and offered help for my trip. My trip wouldn't have been as smooth or as great without everything y'all did for me. I am ever so grateful. And one last great thing -- since I've been home we've run CATscans and I've just been told that there is no sign of cancer on them! (Pam does the happy dance) I get to stay completely away from doctors until my next set of scans, in 3 months! Pam Dotson To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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