[lace] pattern copyright
In respect to this current thread I wondered if there was any copyright on items you produce and want to sell? Do they have to be your own patterns or can you make someone elses? Rhiannon - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] pattern copyright
SORRY!! I'm a little behind on the emails and realise someone has already asked this..many apologies - but good to know where we stand Rhiannon - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] pattern copyright
With regards to selling items made from other peoples' designs this happens all the time. I have collected soft toy patterns, both knitted and sewn, for about 40 years now. When I attend craft fairs I often seen knitted toys for sale designed by Jean Greenhowe among others. And I frequently recognise other items that I have the patterns for amongst my collection. These people are selling them to earn money for themselves, not for a particular charity. I have just looked inside Knitted toys by Jean Greenhowe where it states No part of this publication may be reproduced, stored in a retrieval system, or transmitted , in any form or by any means, electronic, mechanical, photocopying, recording or otherwise, or (significantly - my word) any items made for commercial purposes without the prior permission of Hamlyn Publishing and the copyright holder. That seems pretty comprehensive. However, as I have said it seems to be very widely ignored. Patricia in Wales [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] pattern copyright
Bev wonders if any designers make a living out of their designs. Well, there are many who make part of their living from designing and selling their designs. One I know prints her designs onto red paper to prevent illegal photocopying for friends etc in order to protect her income. I don't think the prices she charges refelect the time spent designing and then making the lace. Every piece she designs is made before the design is sold. There is nothing to stop you, Bev, from printing your own designs and selling them. Patricia in Wales [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Magazine sharing
In a message dated 8/26/2004 1:29:15 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This was partly covered when we were talking about International / National lace organisation membership appearing to dwindle because some lace makers can't or don't see the need to join large organisations due to cost etc when they can read the magazine at their lace group who join as a group. I took a class at the IOLI Convention about writing about lace for magazines, both hobby and more mainstream. Interestingly, the teacher, who publishes a magazine about Pennsylvania told me that we should be publishing things in our lace magazine that would appeal to the husbands, parents and children of the subscribers. His reasoning, which I suppose is the norm in magazine world, is that the more people to whom the magazine is passed, the more secure the subscription. Mom, he claims, is not going to fail to renew her subscription if her daughter likes to read the magazine too. Well, you could have knocked me over with a feather, because we in the lace world have the opposite approach, ie. daughter should get her own subscription. However, when you think about it, there is some truth to it. I know a trio who share a French language lace magazine. It is doubtful that any one of them would pony up the money for the subscription on her own. In this case, the French magazine has sold a subscription they wouldn't have sold if there wasn't sharing going on. Devon - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Wired News Daily - Copyright Bill Needs Big Changes
Copyright Bill Needs Big Changes (Politics 2:00 a.m. PDT) http://go.hotwired.com/news/politics/0,1283,64697,00.html/wn_ascii Technology companies and public-interest groups want to narrow the scope of the controversial Induce Act to focus on those who engage in 'mass, indiscriminate infringing conduct.' By Katie Dean. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Wired News Daily - Copyright Bill Needs Big Changes
The Inducing Infringement of Copyrights Act addresses the issue of peer-to-peer software, specifically designed for wide-scale piracy on digital networks, so I'm not sure how applicable this is to lacemaking. Avital From: Helen Crews [EMAIL PROTECTED] Copyright Bill Needs Big Changes (Politics 2:00 a.m. PDT) http://go.hotwired.com/news/politics/0,1283,64697,00.html/wn_ascii Technology companies and public-interest groups want to narrow the scope of the controversial Induce Act to focus on those who engage in 'mass, indiscriminate infringing conduct.' By Katie Dean. - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Intent of copyright law
My understanding of the thought behind the copyright law is that it is an attempt to balance different interests. It recognizes that society benefits from creative work and innovation. Individuals will not create or invent if they will not reap some benefit from their efforts. The law seeks to encourage people to invest time and energy doing creative work that will benefit society by giving them the ability to profit from the work for a limited period of time. The details of where exactly the monopoly of the author versus the benefit to society line is drawn is something that is hashed out by the courts. This is why it is rather hard to come to absolute conclusions based just on theoretical reasoning. It is hard even for the courts to put it into specifics when they have high priced legal talent arguing both sides. It seems to me that where we are going with this in the lace world is in the direction of forgetting that the real purpose of the laws is to make creative ideas available to society. Instead it seems to be operating to suppress the production of new material. What is the difference between a situation where someone doesn't buy a book because they have photocopied another book and one where someone doesn't buy a book because then she will be unable to show the finished piece to her friends without getting permission from the author? What about the situation where people are afraid to look at a book lest they inadvertantly get ideas from it that they apply to their work? What about the situation where people are afraid that they will invent on their own a design that resembles one already invented? Library sales are a large part of book sales and also a powerful force to make ideas available to society. Why would a library buy a pattern book at all if the patterns if it were illegal to copy a pattern for personal use? I wonder how many sales of worthy books are being lost and worthy ideas not developed in our zeal not to violate the spirit of the copyright law because we are ignorent of the case law that illuminates it? I think the only solution here is for arachnids to make a concerted effort to recruit a copyright lawyer who is familiar with the case law and keeps abreast of new deveopments in the field into our ranks. I call for a national movement to demonstrate at Bar Association events, Copyright Conferences and pubs located near Courthouses. Let two lawyers never meet but that there be a lace demonstrator within twenty feet of them... Devon - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Batteburg Lace Kit
Sunflower My sister has been doing some major cleaning of no longer needed craft items. Along the way a battenberg lace kit from Lacis was found. The kit makes one of three different patterns and has only been opened once. I have enough bobbin lace to keep me busy for the next few lives so I'm putting up for grabs! First person who contacts me gets the goods! Trish Fisher in muggy, hot, sticky West Virginia [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of sunbannA.gif] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of Sunflower Bkgrd.jpg] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [lace] Intent of copyright law
someone doesn't buy a book because then she will be unable to show the finished piece to her friends without getting permission from the author? As the one who has been most vocal on this point, I have to say again--there's never been any claim that you can't show your work to your friends. However, publishing to the web is mass-production and comes under copyright restrictions. If someone published a book of their work, with detailed photos of the pieces they did from others' patterns, would that not be infringement? Do you really think the publisher would accept the job without permission from the designers? Do you really think the author could win in court using the argument, I was just showing my work to my friends? What about the situation where people are afraid to look at a book lest they inadvertantly get ideas from it that they apply to their work? Again, getting ideas is not infringement. Copying the piece is. You can get ideas from several sources and combine them, or mix one or more of them with your own. You can't *reproduce* their design. What about the situation where people are afraid that they will invent on their own a design that resembles one already invented? That's where the 20% rule comes in. *If* you're taken to court by the other designer, they will have to demonstrate that your version is so close to theirs that you couldn't have arrived at it independently. However, we're not talking about going to court. The vast majority of infringement cases (or even apparent cases) never even get to the confrontation stage, much less to court. The expense (money and time) are just not worth it compared to the amount of lost compensation of a pattern. We're talking here about how we can be upstanding citizens and do the right thing. And for that, this argument is specious. I know whether I came up with my idea independently, or copied so-and-so. I wonder how many sales of worthy books are being lost and worthy ideas not developed in our zeal not to violate the spirit of the copyright law because we are ignorent of the case law that illuminates it? Considerably fewer than are lost by people sharing books and patterns! There is still a great deal of photocopying of others' books, we are still trying to educate people about that. Ten years ago it was a lot worse--many of us have come to realize the error of our ways. But there is still need for further education that this is not only a crime, but hurts us in the long run by harming the source of our patterns. I call for a national movement to demonstrate at Bar Association events, Copyright Conferences and pubs located near Courthouses. Let two lawyers never meet but that there be a lace demonstrator within twenty feet of them... Now there we can agree! Robin P. Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, USA http://www.pittsburghlace.8m.com/ - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] one more thing about libraries and copyright
Libraries do have a special place in copyright law. But in addition, they are affected by the fact that borrowers aren't buyers. Many magazines and journals have two subscription rates. The rate for institutions (e.g., libraries) is often three or four times the rate for individuals. This is to balance the added exposure (important for getting advertising money) against the lost subscriptions. Devon, you lament that lacemakers are getting too uptight about copyright. In this respect, we are not following the crowd and demanding higher subscription rates for groups and libraries. Robin P. Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, USA http://www.pittsburghlace.8m.com/ - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] I need to know your option...
As a beginner Bobbin Lacer I greatly benefited from step by step instruction video's. Since I have always loved the Honiton Lace and I have no access to a teacher in my area, I would like to see a production video done. Step by step instruction by a well known teacher of course. This would be a great interest to me. Any of you interested in this being done also? If we could have a discussion on this subject or you could e-mail me ( so's not to bore those not interested) my e-mail is: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cher in Papio [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of friends.gif] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of IMSTP.gif] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Honiton video.
At 07:39 AM 8/26/2004, you wrote: As a beginner Bobbin Lacer I greatly benefited from step by step instruction video's. Since I have always loved the Honiton Lace and I have no access to a teacher in my area, I would like to see a production video done. A Honiton video exists. It is listed on Van Sciver Bobbin Lace webpage. Probably other dealers have it also. Alice in Oregon - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
re: [lace] pattern copyright
Hi everyone and Pat who wrote: I don't think the prices she charges refelect the time spent designing and then making the lace. Every piece she designs is made before the design is sold. There is nothing to stop you, Bev, from printing your own designs and selling them. Good points - to the first, no matter how much $ a lace designer might deserve, in order to sell at all, the price is what the market will bear. To the second, yes Bev or anyone could self-publish, but again, is there a Buyer? IOW I could take the risk, but I know full well I won't make a living from it (and maybe not break even) - and few others do either. (the poverty line is considered to be about $20K in this country - it boggles my mind to think of a lace designer earning *that much* - and it is actually so little). Designing laces is not a lucrative field, but has priceless gains in terms of accomplishment and, one hopes, recognition by one's peers. Thus - my designs will appear in lace magazines, available at the cost of a subscription. My payment is usually a copy of the magazine. If someone posts a picture on the web of a lace made from one of my designs, I shall be flattered indeed. If someone publishes one of my designs and calls it their own, I'll point out the error loudly. I know they won't profit from it anyway ;) bfn Bev in Sooke, BC (west coast of Canada) - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: Magazine sharing
*snip snip* His reasoning, which I suppose is the norm in magazine world, is that the more people to whom the magazine is passed, the more secure the subscription. Mom, he claims, is not going to fail to renew her subscription if her daughter likes to read the magazine too. Well, you could have knocked me over with a feather, because we in the lace world have the opposite approach, ie. daughter should get her own subscription. Is that really how the lace world thinks? I can't for the life of me think why anyone should be expected to get two copies of a magazine for the household - Guild membership, sure, but that's more than the magazine. I think the Pennsylvania magazine guy was right. If I like 50% of what a magazine usually covers, I'll subscribe. If I like 25% of what's regularly in that publication, I'll never subscribe. If my (imaginary) daughter likes 25%, it's likely to be a different % and again we'll subscribe because we'll make enough use of the magazine between us to make it worth while. If my neighbor Betsy likes some part of the magazine as well but not enough to subscribe herself, and we regularly share it, then I'm a lot less likely to drop my subscription even if I don't care for what the magazine holds - the friendshp is worth the subscription, and the magazine at least gets one subscription instead of none. I'm actually thinking of cross-stitch and crochet magazines here, as those are what I've subscribed to, but I don't see why lace would be different. It's the same type of product from a pattern issue. Especially as magazines diversify more, and more similar ones come on the market trying to capture a niche, it becomes strangely important for each individual magazine to capture and keep it's own audience by diversifying towards the audience's extensions of family and friends. If that makes any sense. On the actual making of lace side of things, I think I've found my next project. I picked up a little torchon-ish doily pricking with minimal directions from a bargain bin last summer, and I think it's time to give it a whirl. It's as much an excuse to clear threads off of bobbins as anything else, but it's a good excercise in forging my own path from A to B within the framework of what the doily is 'supposed to' look like. And it'll be test to see if I like parts of it enough to make Christmas ornaments or some such from it. Adaptation I can do :) Chris :) ___ Do you Yahoo!? Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Yahoo! Enter now. http://promotions.yahoo.com/goldrush - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Tina through IOLI
Tamara wrote: Why isn't there a link to the RMLG to be had off the IOLI website (if it is, it doesn't seeem to be easily - or logically - accessible) Or, still better, why isn't there a direct link to *Tina*? There is a link to RMLG on the IOLI home page under conventions. I'm sure I used that link to get to 'Tina' several days ago, but perhaps I'm wrong and it's been added in the last couple of days. Jean in Poole - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Re: fair winnings
Dear Tamara and Spiders Way back, before I started making bobbin lace, it was suggested to me by a friend - another counted cross-stitch enthusiast - that I enter a class at her local show, which was open to anyone. I decided to enter a cross-stitch picture of a cat sitting among some delphiniums - bearing a remarkable to a cat I used to know called William. I made it from a kit, which I wouldn't have bought if I had realised how fine the count of the material was (at least 32, I think) and that most of the work was done with a single thread of stranded cotton. I won something like 75 pence, and came first. And I never heard from them again the next year - although my friend did - so I assumed they didn't want their ~Big Money prizes leaving the district again! So I know exactly how you feel! Ann in Manchester, UK - Original Message - From: Tamara P. Duvall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: lace Arachne [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 3:35 AM Subject: [lace] Re: fair winnings ...But, in my case... I entered once in my local (Rockbridge County) fair. There is no separate lace class/category/division/whatever, so I entered in the Holiday Ornament one (with the Partridge in a Pear Tree; (also on my website). I got first for that one also, but no joy; it felt like kicking someone who was down already - not quite honourable... - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Auction
Karisse Moore a décidé d' écrire à Ò[lace] AuctionÓ. [2004/08/26 01:40] I don't know about the rest of you but those pictures of the lace put up for auction makes me drool. I wonder how long it took to make those wonderful Chantilly skirts and how many women worked on them i was told it took ten lacemakers ten years to make one of those huge 19th century chantilly shawls ... and each worked 10cmx20cm lengths that were then put together with an invisible stitch by another specialised worker . i saw all this very well explained in the Chantilly museum . ps. i love Chantilly lace ! and Chantilly cream but that's another story ... dominique from Paris . - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Haven't a clue!
Don't know - but could it have anything to do with Teneriffe Lace? Ann in Manchester, UK - Original Message - From: Diana Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Arachne [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 3:48 PM Subject: [lace] Haven't a clue! Does anyone have any idea what this ebay item was used for? http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory=12item=3743621864rd=1 Diana in Northamptonshire - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: Magazine sharing
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Chris Vail [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes I'm actually thinking of cross-stitch and crochet magazines here, as those are what I've subscribed to, but I don't see why lace would be different. It's the same type of product from a pattern issue. Especially as magazines diversify more, and more similar ones come on the market Except that cross stitch magazines tend to all be produced by one of a fairly small number of publishing houses - ie one magazine company produces a number of magazines, often across a number of interests. If one of their magazines fails to maintain its subscriber base, it fails, but the company isn't necessarily put in danger. On the other hand, most of the lace magazines are often the newsletters of individual (even if fairly major) guilds - and their sole publication - and if they fail to get the number of subscribers (in other words, members) then the major source of income to the guild fails, and the guild goes under. This is why several of the guilds have associate membership - another member of the household can have membership (usually restricted in some way) at a cheaper rate, because they will share the magazine of the main household member. -- Jane Partridge - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] RE: Copyright
Devon raises an interesting point. Some lace groups offer a Family membership - such as the ALG - which is a membership that applies to 'families' residing at the same location (someone will need to clarify this, but I think it applies to a parent and minor aged lacemaker). This is great for like a Mum and young child - Mum may want the magazine, but the young lacemaker may not be old enough or desirous enough, and why send 2 mags to the same address? When a child reaches the age of majority or moves out, then they get their own sub. As someone approaching that position, I'd feel that it was a waste of $ for Katie to have her own full blown membership, when she's a minor, and she can share my magazine. When she's earning her own $ then she can take care of her own needs (so to speak). Just my 2 cents worth. Cheers, Helen, Aussie in Denver - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: Magazine sharing
From: Jane Partridge [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] This is why several of the guilds have associate membership - another member of the household can have membership (usually restricted in some way) at a cheaper rate, because they will share the magazine of the main household member. Pittsburgh Lace Group has Family Membership rates for a similar reason. We've had mother-daughter and husband-wife pairs as members. Robin P. Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, USA http://www.pittsburghlace.8m.com/ - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Using silk thread (long)
Diane Does the thread have a tight Z twist? (Au ver au soie is Z spun) If so that is probably the cause of your problem. Ipswich lace, as part of the point ground family has a lot of half stitch plus extra twists (right-over-left = Z) than crosses (left-over-right = S) which means that all the Z twisting of the pairs is adding to the Z spinning of the thread making it unbalanced. Most linen threads, and some cottons are S spun so the Z spinning of teh pairs 'neutralises' the S spinning of the thread Try working a length of half stitch bandage with this silk thread and another half stitch bandage with a similar thickness of S spun thread. Chances are, the silk bandage will curl up but the other one won't. Brenda On 26 Aug 2004, at 22:35, Diane Williams wrote: I am working on my second piece of Ipswich lace from my class I took at the IOLI convention. It is worked with black silk Au ver a soie(?) but I don't know the number. It is very fine. I worked my first class piece on a roller pillow and it came off the pillow looking very nice. Now I am working my second piece on a bolster pillow (made to the dimensions of the originial Ipswich pillows) and still using my Midlands bobbins that I used on the roller pillow. My dilemma is this: the lace that I have worked is very warped as it is unpinned. It's very bubbly. My tension hasn't changed (I don't think), but it is possible that using the different pillow is putting different tension on the threads, since the bobbins hang straight down. The silk seems very stretchy compared to linen or cotton that I usually use. It may press out just fine, but I've never had this problem and am wondering if I should continue with the piece or try to transfer it to another, flatter pillow. Brenda http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/paternoster/ - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Battenburg Lace Kit Gone!
Sunflower Hi fellow spiders, Gosh that went fast! Sherry aka Celtic Dream Weaver was the first person to contact me and will be receiving the Battenburg lace kit. Glad to know it is going to a good home! Trish in West Virginia [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of sunbannA.gif] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of Sunflower Bkgrd.jpg] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [lace] Intent of copyright law
So are you saying we will be seeing fewer and fewer websites of other arachneans completed lace pieces, to inspire and spur us to create our own masterpieces, simply because the owners of said websites are unable (or can't be bothered/no time) to track down the authors of the books the lace came fromto ask their permission. If those websites had not been created I doubt very much that those same people would have published a booklet due to the complexities of book publishing not to mention cost. Publishing to the web in this way may be considered mass-production, it could also be considered free advertising. I am sure there are people who have seen websites with completed pieces displayed who have then gone out and bought the book in order to create the design themselves. i.e I, having looked at all the Milanese lace I went out and bought a Milanese book. I have still yet to make any, but at least I have got the book ready for when I get round to itg. Likewise I quite liked the chrysanthemum lace I saw a while ago, I haven't bought *that* book simply because I thought I had enough on my plate to cope with, but as and when I get time I will probably buy a book on that as well. This particular part of this topic is something of interest to me as I had been considering creating a website to put my little bits and pieces on, none of which were created out of my head and some pieces were created so long ago I can't remember where I got them from without going through all the books and booklets I have collected over the years and borrowed from the library. So maybe I won't bother. Who are the winners then! If I do create a website I won't actually gain anything from it apart from the experience of creating a website, and maybe one or two acknowledgements, any authors I named might possibly get some benefit.. If I don't create a website then nothing happens and no one gets anything. I think I'm rambling. Its late so I'll shut up. Just hit the delete key. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Panza, Robin Sent: 26 August 2004 15:05 To: Arachne (E-mail) Subject: RE: [lace] Intent of copyright law As the one who has been most vocal on this point, I have to say again--there's never been any claim that you can't show your work to your friends. However, publishing to the web is mass-production and comes under copyright restrictions. If someone published a book of their work, with detailed photos of the pieces they did from others' patterns, would that not be infringement? Do you really think the publisher would accept the job without permission from the designers? Do you really think the author could win in court using the argument, I was just showing my work to my friends? - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Ithaca Lace Days
Hi All, I'm just wondering if anybody has heard about their classes at the Ithaca (NY) Lace Days? I can't find my copy of the brochure and I can't remember when they will send out notification. Needless to say I'm quite anxious G. Jane in Vermont, USA who needs to make some lace to counteract all the real life going on! [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] Chip and PIN
Hi, Jean - I read in the paper, when Chip and PIN was very new, about a tiny village shop in a tiny Highland village (goodness knows why they had the device, but maybe it was a trial run). They put the key pad on a shelf on the wall behind the counter, and the customers had to call out their PIN to the shop lady, who was a bit hard of hearing, while she keyed the number in. VBG I know you can't believe everything you read, and this may well be an urban myth, but it amused me. BFN, Margery. [EMAIL PROTECTED] in North Herts, UK To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Copyright
For sometime my DH and I have been tracing letters that are in many universities in the UK, such as Edinburgh, Oxford and Cambridge, these are just a few. Now these letters, some were written by DH great grandfather or written to him by famous people. So far we have not been allowed to see these letters, we do have a copy of an interview he gave to the press in 1861. We have to now make an appointment at the National History Museum. We have to take documentation showing that my DH is the great grandson, then we have to go into discussion. What are we trying to do, put together documentation of a man who led a very interesting life, whose great great great grandson has asked us to find out more about his life. Even though some of these letters were written by a family member we have no automatic right to even see the letters. Jean in Newbury To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Secret Pal Thanks
Dear Secret Pal in Australia, So sorry for the delay in sending my thanks but your parcel came while I was away and had to pick it up from the sorting office. Thanks once again for the lovely goodies that you sent, they certainly helped to relieve some of the jetlag !! I have not heard of the fish but the magnet is great and has joined my collection on the fridge door !! I love the bobbins and will get them spangled and onto my pillow soon. Thank you also for the toiletries they always come in useful . The fish gift tag will be very handy as it is my sisters birthday on Tuesday and I can use it on her pressie. Thanks once again, Anne Nicholas Hanworth, Middx. England To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Well done USA women's soccer team
Congratulations to the USA women's soccer team for winning the gold medal in the Olympics - bet you didn't know you even had a women's soccer team. It was a very good game of football. The UK doesn't enter a team for either the women's or men's soccer because we don't have a Great Britain team for either - we have separate ones for England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland for all tournaments worldwide, and it would be impossible to get together teams with members from the four countries just for the Olympics. Jean in Poole To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] Weather report
On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 14:12:36 +1000, Jackie wrote: Many people are seeing cracks in the walls, even ceilings, of their homes due to the dry weather. One local Council has been forced to close two lanes of the swimming pool. Duh? They'll still have water in. I wish I could send you some of the rain from England, and Manchester in particular. Part of the motorway ring road round Manchester was closed due to being flooded two feet deep on Tuesday. It has rained heavily for a long time every day for the past 10 days. I'm starting to get cabin fever from not being able to go for my usual daily 10 mile bike ride. Today was the first day it wasn't raining in the morning, so I went for a ride on the way to work. No rain, but I got thoroughly soaked riding along roads that were still flooded. -- A friend: someone who likes you even after they know you Steph Peters, Manchester, England [EMAIL PROTECTED] Scanned by WinProxy http://www.Ositis.com/ To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
