Re: [lace] **Danish** Late Georgian/Regency Lace

[bevw]

Hi Adele

Great to hear (read) what lace you decided! Yes, surely there is a way
to finagle a Danish connection, perhaps a sister married a Danish Man
of Money visiting the area on business and for whom a fancy dress ball
was held - the sister and he were introduced and charmed :)

I went back to the older postings and found this from Vibeke:

"When we write 1600 tallet, it means 1600 years, so it is 17th century
/Jahrhundert etc.

In Denmark we used to write 17 Århundrede, but we now write 1600 tallet."

Does this help?


After all our recent postings on naming the centuries, I think this is
from the right time period, but I just want to check: this is in the
section "Empiremoenstre" which starts out with "I begyndelsen af
1800-tallet blev der kniplet ..." - do the first few words of this
sentence mean "In the beginning of the 1800s ..." ?




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Re: [lace] **Danish** Late Georgian/Regency Lace

[Adele Shaak]

Hi everybody:

Many thanks to those who responded to my lace question. I am thinking 
that a fine point lace, sparely decorated, would be a good idea, and 
I've picked out "Empire II" from Inge Wind Skovgaard's 
"Toenderkniplinger I (Akacia)".


After all our recent postings on naming the centuries, I think this is 
from the right time period, but I just want to check: this is in the 
section "Empiremoenstre" which starts out with "I begyndelsen af 
1800-tallet blev der kniplet ..." - do the first few words of this 
sentence mean "In the beginning of the 1800s ..." ?


Please let me know.

By the way, this costume is for the Regency ball, and I know several 
people have indicated that the not-so-rich of the period would only 
have English laces to choose from. However Jane Austen herself had a 
cousin (I think it was a cousin) whose husband (the "Comte de 
Feullide") perished on the guillotine, so we see that even the 
not-so-terribly-grand might have relatives with connections all over 
Europe. My story  is that somebody could easily have relatives in 
northern Europe who sent or brought over with them some presents of 
lace.



On 6/20/07, Adele Shaak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hi everybody:

I am trying to figure out what type(s) of lace would be appropriate 
for

an English lady's evening costume for the period 1796 - 1817. Does
anybody have any thoughts? I know blonde lace was popular but I don't
know how to make it and I don't have enough time to learn.

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[lace] Thanks and Request

[lace1]

Firstly, thank you to those who answered my question about school holidays in 
October - I now believe that I can book my trip safely :-)

Secondly, a request.  If you are replying to a previous email about something 
on a website, could you please include the URL in your reply?  I can't believe 
that I am the only one who deletes messages very quickly and often the source 
message is gone.  Though I may not have been sufficiently inspired to go and 
check the link when the original message came in, I quite often am when I see 
subsequent messages - but to no avail if the link has been deleted.  I do fully 
support the reduction of the original message text to the salient details but I 
also believe that the extra line for the URL is fully justified.

Thanks,

Helen in Vancouver, BC on the west coast of mainland Canada where the weather 
can't decide what it wants to do so is fitting in as many variations as 
possible ...

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[lace] new posting archives- lacemaking in convent

[Dmt11home]

_http://www.metmuseum.org/Works_of_Art/viewOne.asp?dep=22&item=1982%2E60%2E13&;
viewmode=1&isHighlight=0_ 
(http://www.metmuseum.org/Works_of_Art/viewOne.asp?dep=22&item=1982.60.13&viewmode=1&isHighlight=0)
  
 
Check this out at the MMA site. It is entitled Nuns at Work. It is actually  
on view at the MMA, but I can't say I ever noticed any animals in it. I will  
check the next time I see it.
 
Devon
 



** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

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[lace] lacing right this minute

[Jane Partridge]

In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, sue <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
sbt.gotadsl.co.uk> writes
> What is everyone else doing?
 Is anyone at their lace pillow 'right now' - 1:15 pm PST

Working that out, it probably would have been somewhere around 9.15pm in
the UK? In which case, we were out - Weatherspoons (a pub chain) have a
Steak night on Tuesday, which is cheap and cheerful, so Phil and I went
out to eat. 

The rest of Tuesday - the weather forecast was for a dry day, so I got
the washing done, in between times reading up on costume and lace
history (ie reminding myself of various points for the talk I gave to a
local family history group tonight) - especially as I had found that in
the July issue of Ancestry magazine there is an article on the lives of
lacemakers (why, these days, are people assuming that Bucks is only
worked on a 60 degree grid?) - there are a few bits in the article I
wouldn't agree with but it isn't as bad as some have been. Also, I think
it was Tuesday that the postman arrived with my Canadian Gazette, so I
had to stop and read that, too, didn't I? 

It has been a lacy few days though. On Saturday, I had the workshop at
The Beetroot Tree in Draycott, Derbyshire - two ladies, learning from
scratch, ended up with a beaded lace pendant and a pair of spangled
bobbins to take home. Sunday afternoon I was making lace in a friend's
garden at their village Open Gardens weekend. Monday I got round to
working my beaded bracelet pattern (which I'm about to send to Bev for
the CLG) in a green linen thread made by Rowan - it is fairly thick, so
took some doing to thread the beads onto. Not sure if I like the "matt"
effect to the glittery threads, though. It matches a linen dress I have.
Tuesday was spent reading. 

Yesterday I went to Loughborough to see the Lacemakers exhibition at
Charnwood Museum. This exhibition is on till July 8, and tells the story
of John Heathcoate's machine lace workers who ended up in Australia. Not
a large exhibition, but there is another textile exhibition in another
room - a lot of embroidery and feltwork (one of two women who came into
the room after me looked at the felt, and said rather disdainfully that
it was only design work! The piece she was looking at was actually a
very nice felt hanging.) The cafe is reasonably priced, too. In
discussing the fact that lace isn't "woven around pins" as stated in one
of the display boards I ended up showing the young male on the reception
desk how lace is made - having an hour's train journey in order to get
there, I had my travel pillow with me (the petticoat edging - adapted
from one of the Retournac patterns - now has only an inch and a half of
the two and a half yards to go! - almost time to turf his lordship's
computer off the table so I can get my sewing machine out.) Later found
a craft shop, and bought some triangular and cube beads to work into a
future bracelet. (Might get a dark green choker done instead). 

Today my week of freedom came to an end, and I was back at work, but
this evening was spent giving a talk on lace so still on subject.
Tomorrow morning I'll be teaching my Tamworth class - so I can almost
say I've had a lace week for once!

The Bucks piece (follow up to the Hearts and Flowers Snowflake) is still
just over half done - it has been on the pillow a couple of years so
far, taking much longer than the first, but probably because I've made
the (loopy) gimp paths in certain places a bit too complicated! Not a
piece for doing whilst demonstrating, as the first pattern was. The
Honiton is still sitting where I left it, possibly three to five years
ago (suppose I ought to get back to it some time!). Started some Celtic
tatting as a proof reading test (the week before last) but it has
stalled - tatting isn't my favourite occupation, it is a bit too
repetitive for me. Suppose I ought to finish it.

The rest of my time is being spent searching for my great grandmother's
birth - she is being most unco-operative on that score! (born 1844/5,
Birmingham UK, Mary Ann Walker daughter of James Walker, waiter - a case
of searching through the parish registers one by one!)


-- 
Jane Partridge

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Re: [lace] Late Georgian/Regency Lace

[bevw]

Hi Adele and everyone

There is a lace called Regency Point that was made in Northamptonshire
in the 18-teens. It is a point ground lace that differs slightly in
style from Buckspoint, but for your purposes you could do a Bucks
edging for the neck trim and it would look right ;)

In the intro to Victorian Lace, Patricia Wardle writes that for the
last decade of the 18th and the first two decades of the 19th
centuries, laces were similar - slightly patterned; the severe
classical styles and light materials then fashionable didn't lend
themselves to ornate laces. Net-like laces with borders of leaves,
flowers or simple scrolling motifs were popular. Classical scroll or
key motifs are found. Border laces were generally straight-edged, used
to trim the low necks and hems of dresses, or perhaps to form a small
gathered ruff at the neck of the wearer (about 1815 the VanDyked or
scalloped edges became popular). Light laces such as silk blondes,
Mechlin and Lille, or similar - made in the east Midland counties were
popular for dress trimmings.

...machine-made nets were already available in quantity by 1800, often
ornamented with hand embroidery or used plain over self-coloured or
contrasting silk in dresses. Another idea - make a stole or shawl of
net and embroidery it lightly? About 1812 - 14 they wore them off
shoulder and held by the arms, as I recall seeing portraits of the
time.

HTH

bev

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Bev in Sooke BC (on beautiful Vancouver Island, west coast of Canada)

On 6/20/07, Adele Shaak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hi everybody:

I am trying to figure out what type(s) of lace would be appropriate for
an English lady's evening costume for the period 1796 - 1817. Does
anybody have any thoughts? I know blonde lace was popular but I don't
know how to make it and I don't have enough time to learn.



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[lace] Re: resizing a pricking

[Tamara P Duvall]

On Jun 21, 2007, at 13:25, Beth Stoll wrote:


the pricking is sized for 140/2 egyptian
cotton.  I would prefer to use 70/2,


According to Brenda Paternoster's "Threads for Lace" (a must-have book 
for anyone making lace and liking to fiddle around with thread 
replacements):

Egyptian Cotton 140/2 = 62 (wraps per centimetre)
Egyptian Cotton 70/2 = 46 (wraps per cm)
62:46= 134.78

So, I'd copy the pricking at 135% for the thread you want to use. 
Unless Brenda chimes in and tells me I'm all wet; math (and 
mathematical thinking) is not my strong point :)

--
Tamara P Duvallhttp://t-n-lace.net/
Lexington, Virginia, USA (Formerly of Warsaw, Poland)

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[lace] resizing a pricking

[Beth Stoll]

Since the first attempt to send this got lost in cyberspace (received three
lace digests since sending it),  I'll try again.

In preparation for taking Michael Giusiana's Binche course at Sweet Briar in
a few weeks, I am starting to prepare prickings.  From the three choices for
beginning students who have done some snowflakes, Small Mentebolle from
Binche Lace (page 81) seemed to have the greatest combination of new
techniques.  Unfortunately for me the pricking is sized for 140/2 egyptian
cotton.  I would prefer to use 70/2, since I haven't worked with anything
finer yet and want to be able to see and correct mistakes without worrying
about breaking threads.  I can use my scanner to copy and resize the
pricking, but need to know how much larger to make it.  I'd appreciate any
help figuring out how to derive a conversion formula.

Beth Stoll
Albuquerque, New Mexico,
where we're predicted to be in the 90s all week, but without humidity

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[lace] Re: treating raw wood bobbins? other male lace makers?

[Tatman]

~waving hand~  

Hi Simon!  Welcome to this wonderful list of lacemakers, both female and
male.  There are several of us male lacemakers lurking about in most
countries.  Only a few pipe up with Q/A and chat.  Your question about the
finishing of raw bobbins seems to be answered.  I agree the oils on the
hands will give it a nice patina.  But do sand any rough spots so it doesn't
snag the threads.

Glad to have you on board,

Mark, aka Tatman
In sunny and dry(wishing for rain) in Greenville, Illinois, USA
Www.tat-man.net 

On 6/20/07 11:46 PM, "Simon Maynard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>  I have just bought some raw wood bobbins from the USA, previously all my
> bobbins have been bought in Australia, and have been plastic. Do I need to
> seal these wooden bobbins with anything before spangling them? I wanted to
> find out before starting in with the beads and wire, as spangling is not
> something I enjoy enough to do twice, especially on about 4 dozen bobbins.
> 
> Hoping someone here can help me.
> 
> Also does anyone know of any other male lace makers?
> Thanks
> Simon Maynard

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Re: [lace] treating raw wood bobbins? other male lace makers?

[bevw]

Hello Simon and everyone
To add to the good advice contributed by Jenny in Spain, if the wood
bobbins are completely unfinished, you could seal the wood before
using them to prevent possible checking (cracking). Apply a coat of
'wood sealer' - available with the acrylic paints for crafts.

On 6/20/07, Simon Maynard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

 I have just bought some raw wood bobbins from the USA, previously all my
bobbins have been bought in Australia, and have been plastic. Do I need to
seal these wooden bobbins with anything before spangling them?


--
Bev in Sooke BC (on beautiful Vancouver Island, west coast of Canada)

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[lace] Re: OIDFA Anniversary Bobbin

[Jean Nathan]

Thanks to all who answered my question about the OIDFA Anniversary bobbin. I 
will pass the information on to the leader of my Monday lace group, who 
asked the question.


Jean in Poole, Dorset, UK

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Re: [lace] trying to find things in the Archives

[bevw]

Hi everyone and Tess

On 6/21/07, Tess Parrish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

If you go to


it will take you to the newest postings on the Archives

site. (Thanks Bev for mentioning that.)


Tess, I'm sure you had it right in your initial message. Along the pipeline
the URL was split as it appeared on the arachne list, so those who
clicked on the 'blue' or active part would go to the index rather than
the new additions.

I found Janice's 'creature' by clicking on "Illustrations" at the left
of either the index page or the this-month page. They are in
alphabetical order and I did finally find the one she was referring
to. Myself, I'm not sure what the animal in the middle is. There is
another little one to the left which resembles a small dog. Or are
they both cats? In any case it is a lively scene of much fibre-related
activity, as interpreted by that artist.

--
Bev in Sooke BC (on beautiful Vancouver Island, west coast of Canada)

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[lace] trying to find things in the Archives

[Tess Parrish]

If you go to  it will take you to the newest postings on the Archives  
site. (Thanks Bev for mentioning that.)


Some of us--me--have lots of trouble with the search feature on the  
Archives site.  We are trying to fix it, but it is slow going.  When  
I tried to bring up the article you mention on the Archives site, I  
was taken to the Needle and Bobbin Club posting on the list from CD3,  
but it wouldn't open.


Then I realized that Janice had gone onto Kris Bruland's site to look  
at the Contents of the CDs, and I found the picture she was talking  
about.  As for the monkey, it may very well have been a pet.  For  
those childless nuns, a monkey might be very nice to have.  Some of  
our historical experts may be able to tell us more about that.


But back to the Search feature.  Eva and John know that Kris' search  
function is better in many ways than that on the Archives.  The  
Professor knew that too--though he wouldn't admit it!--and he and  
John were beginning to work on it when he got so sick.  Now that John  
is trying so hard to manage the site, he is swamped with the details  
that were left behind when the Prof died.  Eva is working with him to  
try to make sense out of what in some cases seems like minor chaos.   
So I hope everyone will bear with us.


 In the meantime, check This Month in the Archives for the newest  
postings (and to reach past months as well) and by all means go to  
Kris' site  to check on the  
contents of the CDs.


Please keep on telling us of your successes and problems.  It will  
help us make the site better.


Tess ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) in Maine USA

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Re: [lace] treating raw wood bobbins? other male lace makers?

[clayblackwell]

Hi Simon -

Yes, there are a fair number of male lacemakers out there!  But just for the 
record, I am not one of them, although lots of people assume I'm male because 
of my name!

Clay

Clay Blackwell
Lynchburg, VA  USA

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> Also does anyone know of any other male lace makers? 
> Thanks 
> Simon Maynard 

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Re: [lace] lacing right this minute

[Michael Haggett]

I was actually crocheting lace at the time of the original post, but my 
pillows were laying idle :) A pale grey-green lace piece which will 
become a purse. Hopefully in time for the ballet week after next :) 

Happy lacing,
Niamh



Niamh Swan,
Sailchuach Aisling 
small linens and finery
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Re: [lace] Lace car stickers

[Carol Adkinson]

Hi Jacquie,

This made me laugh.   I also had one of those stickers in my little 
'Shove-It' - a Vauxhall Chevette which by then had seen better days - for 
quite some time, and was using it one day to go to the lace-making group in 
Woodbridge, Suffolk.(Incidentally, I think the sticker was purchased 
from Hornsby's, about twenty-five years ago ...)


I stopped at temporary traffic lights, and the lorry driver behind me was 
hooting the horn, and flashing the lights, so as the car was, by then, a 
little unreliable, I wondered what was the matter.   However, no warning 
lights were on, so I ignored it - but the flahing and hooting got worse. 
In the end, I stepped out of the car, reaolised that there was no smoke 
erupting, so asked whatever was the matter.He just looked me straight in 
the eye and said "Do you give lessons?"


I didn't know what he was on about, so asked him what he meant.   He just 
gestured to the sticker in the back of the car, I blushed as red as a 
beetroot, and got back into the car as quickly as I could!Luckily the 
lights had changed, so I belted away, in high confusion - and when the car 
finally died, I *didn't* replace the sticker!


Carol - still grinning at the memories - in Suffolk UK

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In the 1980s one or more of the UK lace suppliers sold a blue sticker to 
fit
inside a car window, with the words "Lacemakers do it on a pillow" and a 
lacey
design behind the words. 


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Re: [lace] lacing right this minute

[Carol Adkinson]

Hi Ladies (and Gentlemen!)

A friend and I were lacing yesterday, just at the time of the post! We 
had a meeting of our 'Lace Ladies At Home' - and only Jenny and I were 
there, so it was a *very* select pair of lacers!We very rarely know just 
how many will turn up, so the uncertainty is quite exciting! There could 
be about five or six, the limit of my dining room table, or - like 
yesterday - just me and one other.   But - I did progress quite well with 
the garter gfor my niece, and Jenny got on well with her Bucks bookmark - 
the one in the last edition of the 'Lace' magazine, so we both had a very 
productive time!


Best wishes, and may your pins never bend.   And if anyone has the urge to 
come to Suffolk's Constable Country, for a day's lacemaking, just let me 
know, and I'll give you the dates for the months leading up to Christmas. 
All are welcome - a packed lunch is required, but coffee and tea (as well as 
biscuits/cake sometimes!) are supplied.


Carol - in Suffolk UK

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[lace] treating raw wood bobbins? & Spangling large amounts of bobbins.

[Jenny De Angelis]

Simon wrote.
<< I have just bought some raw wood bobbins from the USA, previously all my
bobbins have been bought in Australia, and have been plastic. Do I need to
seal these wooden bobbins with anything before spangling them? I wanted to
find out before starting in with the beads and wire, as spangling is not
something I enjoy enough to do twice, especially on about 4 dozen bobbins.>>

It depends on personal preference I think.

I have bought many beginners bobbins which come unpolished, and are cheaper 
to buy when you need a large number of bobbins. I have never polished or 
sealed these in anyway.  As you work with them the natural oil from your 
hands will seep into the wood and they will get darker and smoother over 
time.


You could give them a coat of polyurethane varnish or something though it 
you prefer but this could raise the grain and they would then need sanding 
down and revarnishing a few times until the grain stops rising each time you 
varnish them and they become smooth.  But varnishing them will alter the 
colour of the wood to some extent, even a clear colourless varnish will do 
this.


I would not put anything like teak oil or any other wood oil on them 
because that could come off on your hands and so stain the thread as you 
work.


If you dislike spangling then you can speed things up with your 4dozen.  Do 
not cut short bits of wire for each bobbin, keep the coil of wire in tact 
and make a small loop at one end to stop things falling off as you go.


It depends where you prefer to make the join in your spangles, whether you 
like the cut  ends of the wire to be on either side of the bottom bead or 
you like the cut wire ends to be on either side of the bobbin itself, 
everyone has their own way of spangling.  Here below is how to spangle a 
large number of bobbins ending up with the wire ends ready to go either side 
of the bottom bead but you could alter the arrangement of beads to suit your 
own method of finishing off the wire.


Sort your beads into sets for each bobbin before you begin and it helps to 
speed things up when you come to spangle.  Now put the Bottom bead onto the 
wire followed by a side bead or two and the little top bead then add the 
bobbin  followed by the other little top bead and then the side beads.


Keep repeating this, in the same order, until the length of wire complete 
with beads and bobbins becomes unmanageable.  When this happens cut the 
length of filled wire from the rest of the coil leaving  about 4 inches or 
so free on the end of the threaded length of wire to give some leeway, the 
amount of free wire you leave when cutting from the main coil depends on how 
many bobbins you have threaded on, the more bobbins and beads the longer the 
free end of the wire needs to be as this part of the wire will gradually be 
used up in the finishing off.


Now go along separating one bobbin and it's beads from the next, move the 
complete spangle and bobbin to within an inch or so of the cut end of the 
wire and cut the wire in between the two spangles,  close to the spangle you 
are going to finish off but leaving yourself enough wire to work with on the 
spangle to be completed.Now finish off the ends by passing the loose end 
of the wire back through the bottom bead, pulling the wire up tight  to make 
a nice firm spangle,  and wrapping both ends around the wire on either side 
of the bottom bead a few times.  You might prefer to finish off in this way 
but with the wire on either side of the bobbin rather than the bottom bead 
so would need to change the order of threading beads and bobbin to suit.


  Continue along the length of the wire until they are all done.  You will 
get a little bit of wastage but just little snips of wire. The time saved, 
not to mention the frustration of fiddling with short bits of wire over 
4doz.bobbins will be a bonus.


There are some drawings of how to finish off the wire in spangles on this 
page that I found on the net. 
http://www.bobbinmaker.com/spanglebobbins.html scroll down the page to see 
the various drawings.  Any of these methods could be used to finish off the 
ends when spangling in the way I describe above you just need to thread the 
beads and bobbins in the right order so that you end up with everything in 
the right place for your selected method of finishing off the wire.


Regards
Jenny DeAngelis
Spain.

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