RE: [lace] raised and rolled
Thank you for this explanation Jacquie. Karen in Malta -Original Message- From: owner-l...@arachne.com [mailto:owner-l...@arachne.com] On Behalf Of laceandb...@aol.com Sent: 27 January 2010 10:13 To: lace@arachne.com Subject: Re: [lace] raised and rolled Hi Karen I was told a more precise definition by the lady who gave me a taster day in Honiton many many years ago, and several years before I studied it first with Pat Read and then Pat Perryman. I was told partly raised is basically flat work, except all the sewings are done as top sewings, leaving the clean footside edge lines slightly proud on the right side. This makes a bigger difference to the piece of lace than you would think. Raised work is when ribs are used, for example up one side of a leaf, and the cloth or half stitch is sewn into it on the return journey. What I don't think it tells you in the books, but the teachers do, face to face, is that unless you are absolutely confident with sewings, twist your leader four times before the edge stitch, pin, work the edge stitch as usual then put a fourth twist on the returning leader. This extra twist makes the pinhole slightly larger and helps offset the way the rib pinholes tend to close up, probably because the work isn't supported on the other edge. Rolled work is when you carry a bundle of threads from one place to another, sewing them along the edge of existing work. It can be done for purely functional purposes, purely decorative or a combination. Unlike Withof and Milanese, these rolls are mainly inside the work, whereas in the other two laces the roll outlines the design features and is as commonly found on the outside edge as within the design. So, in Honiton you may work half a leaf, sew the bundle of threads along the vein side of the leaf to get all the pairs back to the top, and then work the second half of the leaf over the back of the bundle, which disappears for the time being until you turn the finished work over - TaDa. Raised work makes pinholes for the next piece to sew into, rolled work needs pinholes already there. Sometimes the two are used in combination, most commonly for leaf veins, where an off-shoot rib is worked at an angle to the main one, and then a roll bring the pairs back again. Later cloth or half stitch is worked over the back of the whole caboocle. Enjoy your Honiton lacemaking Jacquie in Lincolnshire - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
RE: [lace] Raised and rolled Honiton
Thanks. I'll try to get hold of a copy of this. Karen in Malta -Original Message- From: owner-l...@arachne.com [mailto:owner-l...@arachne.com] On Behalf Of Leonard Bazar Sent: 27 January 2010 11:11 To: l...@dont.panix.com Subject: [lace] Raised and rolled Honiton Just to add to what Jacquie said - it certainly is best to learn these techniques from a good Honiton teacher, but if you are using a book, you might find Susanne Thompson's Further Steps in Honiton Lace clearer than Mrs Luxton's books. This assumes the good basic knowledge needed before tackling raised and rolled work, such as can be obtained from her first book, so goes straight into raised work. As ever, she provides the sort of pattern that makes sure you practice a technique properly before moving on, and that you meet it in different situations. The Lace Guild's Honiton basic technical instruction book ends with two very simple raised patterns, and is in general excellent for the beginner who attends classes, as it provides very clear aides memoire for the Honiton way of doing things, eg sewings, joining and crossing ribs. However, it may be a little too concentrated to work as the sole source. leonard...@yahoo.com - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
RE: [lace] raised and rolled
Thank you Susan - those pictures will be very helpful. Karen in Malta -Original Message- From: owner-l...@arachne.com [mailto:owner-l...@arachne.com] On Behalf Of Susan Roberts Sent: 27 January 2010 19:10 To: lace@arachne.com Subject: Re: [lace] raised and rolled A few years ago I worked a piece that compared ribs and rolls (I prefer to do back to back ribs than rolls). The piece - the pattern for which is on the front of Suzanne Thompson's second book although I've not followed Suzanne's instructions - is on my website (quick way to get to the page is http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/susanroberts/honitongalleryf.html then click on Rib or roll? on the left hand side). If you hold your mouse over a section it should tell you how I've worked the rib/roll for each section. Happy lacemaking Susan --- Susan Roberts http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/susanroberts -- From: laceandb...@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 9:13 AM To: lace@arachne.com Subject: Re: [lace] raised and rolled Hi Karen I was told a more precise definition by the lady who gave me a taster day in Honiton many many years ago, and several years before I studied it first with Pat Read and then Pat Perryman. I was told partly raised is basically flat work, except all the sewings are done as top sewings, leaving the clean footside edge lines slightly proud on the right side. This makes a bigger difference to the piece of lace than you would think. Raised work is when ribs are used, for example up one side of a leaf, and the cloth or half stitch is sewn into it on the return journey. What I don't think it tells you in the books, but the teachers do, face to face, is that unless you are absolutely confident with sewings, twist your leader four times before the edge stitch, pin, work the edge stitch as usual then put a fourth twist on the returning leader. This extra twist makes the pinhole slightly larger and helps offset the way the rib pinholes tend to close up, probably because the work isn't supported on the other edge. Rolled work is when you carry a bundle of threads from one place to another, sewing them along the edge of existing work. It can be done for purely functional purposes, purely decorative or a combination. Unlike Withof and Milanese, these rolls are mainly inside the work, whereas in the other two laces the roll outlines the design features and is as commonly found on the outside edge as within the design. So, in Honiton you may work half a leaf, sew the bundle of threads along the vein side of the leaf to get all the pairs back to the top, and then work the second half of the leaf over the back of the bundle, which disappears for the time being until you turn the finished work over - TaDa. Raised work makes pinholes for the next piece to sew into, rolled work needs pinholes already there. Sometimes the two are used in combination, most commonly for leaf veins, where an off-shoot rib is worked at an angle to the main one, and then a roll bring the pairs back again. Later cloth or half stitch is worked over the back of the whole caboocle. Enjoy your Honiton lacemaking Jacquie in Lincolnshire - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
[lace] bugle question
Hello! I checked out Brenda's link to her beaded lace--lovely but wonder how the bugles were treated? In embroidery/sewn bead world, bugles are never sewn on without a seed bead on either end because they are so sharp they will cut the tread with use/wear. Were the ends honed? Or treated with something like clear nail polish? Or??? Thanks. Sincerely, Susan, practicing some Milanese braids in Islarmorada - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] bugle question
Hi - just looking at mine and thinking back to the course - we didn't do anything special with the bugles. It looks like there were two twists then the two bugles seem to be only on one thread of the pair and then there were two more twists. So that the bugles folded side-by-side. The bottom one (in the cloth stitch diamond) was done with a sewing where the thread was put through the bead and it was on a long loop that was brought back into the work after 2 or 3 rows of cloth stitch. I've posted a scan of mine at http://community.webshots.com/album/153488286KFcbyg Malvary in Ottawa where it is only -4c with flurries today but the forecast for tomorrow is for the coldest day of winter with a windchill of -29c - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
[lace] Re: Query About Putting Beads On Lace
Two things come to mind. The direction of your knot, or doing it differently so the knot is on the opposite side (closest to what has previously been worked), should work. Ideally, stringing beads on your thread before winding on the bobbin, and then pushing up a bead as required, would seat the bead to be viewed evenly on front or back (though with lace on a pillow and denser lace, it would tend to be more toward the front). The latter is a pita and hard on threads, but is a traditional way to add beads in many forms of needlework, such as knitting or needlepoint, etc. HTHSusan Reishus ...Lace...(want to)add some beads. I put these on using a crochet hook and drawing one thread of a pair through the bead and threading the other bobbin through the loop as in a sewing. Of course, when I took the lace off the pillow the beads were now on the 'wrong' side of the lace. I have been wondering, is there a way to put beads on a piece of lace so that they end up on the 'right' side of the lace without sewing them on afterwards? Alison in cold, dull Essex UK (although the sun did shine earlier on making us feel so much better) - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
[lace] Rayon
I think of rayon as being made from tree pulp, and though many fibers are being refined to micro fibers, and bamboo is also a tree, fibers of refined rayon compared to bamboo, are only close cousins in hand. A century ago, rayon was poo-pooed also, but has evolved from it's category of cheap and shrinking, to definitely serving a purpose. I am sure we will find more and more naturally occurring substances being processed for various uses. At some point the green perspective blurs in using so many chemicals to make something natural into a fiber, then textile. I love these new fibers, but I don't think I will will be using them for bobbin or tape laces at this point. Not just because of the time lace takes, but not knowing how stable they are, and for something that hopefully will be passed on and appreciated for many generations to come. As far as milk being developed to assist heart function medically, medicine is so liability conscious, that I doubt the use something that wasn't reliable. (One of my sister's is a VP of a major international company specializing in these things.) Another, is that many heart treatments are projected to last 10-15 years, and then redone, etc. So maybe it won't last forever, but it must be so chemically changed that the body doesn't try to assimilate it, as a body can even absorb a sliver from a piece of wood, etc. in a fairly short period of time, if not removed. All interesting! FWIWSusan Reishus - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] Ilske's lace
Thank you Lorelei and Ilske! On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 12:39 PM, Lorelei Halley lhal...@bytemeusa.comwrote: Hello hello Ilske Thomsen has given us another of her original laces as a gift to lacemakers. You can find it on my website at http://lynxlace.com/waterlily.html -- Bev in Shirley BC, near Sooke on beautiful Vancouver Island, west coast of Canada - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
[lace] pictures
Hi I just discovered another photo sharing website that actually has a lot of bobbin lace photos. Haven't looked for needle lace yet, but maybe http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/view?q=bobbin+lacepsc=Gfilter=1# Lorelei - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] Rayon
Susan Reishus schreef: I think of rayon as being made from tree pulp, and though many fibers are being refined to micro fibers, and bamboo is also a tree, fibers of refined rayon compared to bamboo, are only close cousins in hand. there is a BIG difference beteen the old rayone and the newone you have to see it in an other way i will compare it whit oldfashinoned icecream in the days the birds still spoke you had an icecreamventer whom sold vanilla if you were lucky you had chocolate and coffeee have a look now at an icecreamventer it is endless they put spoilers and colours ontop of the original vanilla or even the just plain milkcream so they inhance the flavour now transpond this to rayone in the old days when rayonne was made you had just plain rayonne and that was it nowdays you have an endless veraity of royonne lookalikes because they putted spoilers on them they try to change the composition and caracter of these rayones by simply adding stuff mostly chemicals whom do only 2 differend actions A the first do an action on the molecular level itself they realy change the nature of the molecule or the behavior on that molecule ( molecule is not the correct term here it are chains of molecules my english again lacks rafinement) the later kind does a complete differend thingh they do not change the molecules but they change the enviroment in whom they are acting the difference the first is eg: less stenght more strenght coping to more heath less heath more or less elastic only by adding chemical addetives before the makeing of the fibres by pressing them like spaghetti pasta here you have realy visible aspects to what is does or not it is perfectly measurable what it does the lastkind is more publicity and of the kind were you have to take a leap of faith.. like adding to the pulp beauty antiaging chemicals now we all now that i am the only one stayning 26 and a half but the rest is still aging. and now ladys do you realy beleef that the celulite will walk away by putting this or that?? an other one is like putting 1 promille silver to the pulpmasss before the fibre making it should scare the horrible small dust and home acaricides yes in theory silver oxide reacts bad on them but in that small amounts? again the only real products in this matter are uesed in the medical industry 3M has a plaster woven out of rayone enhanced whit antibacterial chemicals antiseptic etcetc for giving you an idea of the possibilitys and it is done a lot the thigh is as a manufacturer yo will not call your beautyenhancing fibre anymore rayone you will even make the publicity so strong on the fact to avoidd that it is a rayone lookalike whit some aloavera in it yop call it then slimmfibre or marvelfibre.. can you immaine that some people find textile boring?? they should ozerhgimuHLGFPIgfyfGFN DIRECTLY kind regards from francis just about to go do a big beautysleep A century ago, rayon was poo-pooed also, but has evolved from it's category of cheap and shrinking, to definitely serving a purpose. I am sure we will find more and more naturally occurring substances being processed for various uses. At some point the green perspective blurs in using so many chemicals to make something natural into a fiber, then textile. I love these new fibers, but I don't think I will will be using them for bobbin or tape laces at this point. Not just because of the time lace takes, but not knowing how stable they are, and for something that hopefully will be passed on and appreciated for many generations to come. As far as milk being developed to assist heart function medically, medicine is so liability conscious, that I doubt the use something that wasn't reliable. (One of my sister's is a VP of a major international company specializing in these things.) Another, is that many heart treatments are projected to last 10-15 years, and then redone, etc. So maybe it won't last forever, but it must be so chemically changed that the body doesn't try to assimilate it, as a body can even absorb a sliver from a piece of wood, etc. in a fairly short period of time, if not removed. All interesting! FWIWSusan Reishus - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com Versie: 9.0.733 / Virusdatabase: 271.1.1/2653 - datum van uitgifte: 01/28/10 15:55:00 - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] bugle question
My bugles were added in exactly the same way as Malvery's. Brenda On 28 Jan 2010, at 17:32, Malvary J Cole wrote: Hi - just looking at mine and thinking back to the course - we didn't do anything special with the bugles. It looks like there were two twists then the two bugles seem to be only on one thread of the pair and then there were two more twists. So that the bugles folded side-by-side. The bottom one (in the cloth stitch diamond) was done with a sewing where the thread was put through the bead and it was on a long loop that was brought back into the work after 2 or 3 rows of cloth stitch. I've posted a scan of mine at http://community.webshots.com/album/153488286KFcbyg Malvary in Ottawa where it is only -4c with flurries today but the forecast for tomorrow is for the coldest day of winter with a windchill of -29c - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com Brenda in Allhallows paternos...@appleshack.com http://paternoster.orpheusweb.co.uk/ - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
[lace] Admin: bamboo and other fibers
Dear spiders, In the discussion of bamboo fiber, please keep the thread *either* on lace or lace-chat. Do not cross-post to both lists. At the moment I think it's okay on lace because it is a technical discussion of fiber. The second request is to please trim your posts. If you are replying to a message, delete the irrelevant bits. Certainly you should delete the footer at the bottom of the message, because majordomo will just add another footer to the bottom. Thank-you, Avital Arachne moderator - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
