Re: [lace] protecting lace photos cont.
Then why not label it with a year and the name of the exhibit. (copyright symbol, 2009, L.A.C.E. Day). Perhaps that will give the maker some credit through associationbut you have a very valid point. Remember: even though the lace designer has a copyright on the lace, you have the copyright on the photo you took of the lace. And even though there is a great amount of abuse, all material published on the web is copyrighted by the original person who posted it. No-one has the right to take a photo or a quotation from a web page and put it on their own web page without *at least* giving credit for the source. Robin P. Los Angeles, California, USA robinl...@socal.rr.com - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] Finally finished a shawl
Thanks, Cearbhael! Are you referring to the medallion shawl in the Gossamer Webs Design Collection? I was thinking of trying that one myself. It's not symmetrical? Hmmm. Will have to take a closer look at the charts. Did you see the photos of the real Orenburg shawls that my officemate's grandmother has? They're not the museum pieces that one finds in books but still, they were interesting to examine closely. http://apinnick.wordpress.com/2009/08/31/orenburg-shawls/ Avital On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 6:05 AM, wrote: > > > Avital, > > I just went to your website and noticed you do the Orenburg shawls...went > back through my emails and found this. I am an Orenburg shawl fanatic. I > have 1 triangular shawl done. I also have 1 rectangular shawl, 1 square > shawl and one "warm" Orenburg shawl in the works... The square one is the > hardest. It is a medallion square and only has 1/4 of the pattern charted. I > am working on finishing the lower left 1/4 of the shawl chart. I started the > shawl and tried to just "intuit" the pattern but it is not that simple. It > is not a "symmetrical" pattern and from my experience so far with the > Orenburg shawls the left is NOT a mirror of the right...So I stopped > knitting and am working on charting now. Besides I have the rectangular > shawl to finish and the warm one is just getting started. > Your shawl by the way is gorgeous... > > Cearbhael > > - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
RE: [lace] Finally finished a shawl
Avital, I just went to your website and noticed you do the Orenburg shawls...went back through my emails and found this. I am an Orenburg shawl fanatic. I have 1 triangular shawl done. I also have 1 rectangular shawl, 1 square shawl and one "warm" Orenburg shawl in the works... The square one is the hardest. It is a medallion square and only has 1/4 of the pattern charted. I am working on finishing the lower left 1/4 of the shawl chart. I started the shawl and tried to just "intuit" the pattern but it is not that simple. It is not a "symmetrical" pattern and from my experience so far with the Orenburg shawls the left is NOT a mirror of the right...So I stopped knitting and am working on charting now. Besides I have the rectangular shawl to finish and the warm one is just getting started. Your shawl by the way is gorgeous... Cearbhael - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
[lace] addition
I wanted to add this to my last email. I like the lady's site because it gives one place that I can go and look at a number of different laces and get ideas for myself. Maybe Arachne could have one place that there are that many pictures, or do we already? I also like it because I can scroll down and not have to go from folder to folder or month to month. It's all in one place. Becca - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
[lace] photos
My view on the issue of pirated photos is this: anyone who posts photos of someone else's work without giving credit is a thief, pure and simple. It is either an attempt to make it look as if one has skills and knowledge that one doesn't have, or laziness and slovenliness about recording who made it, designed it, photoed it. However I really don't think that anybody objects to posting a link to one's photo, and for this one doesn't need to ask permission. In following the link the potential viewer will encounter the person who originated it. And copying someone else's photo to one's own computer so you can drool over the picture whenever you want, well, I don't really object to that either. But sharing the photo, using the photo for a purpose that involves money, posting the photo on another website, that sends me into a rage. I do the work and you make money off it? Having said all that, I have 2 photos on my website without attribution and this nags at the back of my mind. Back when I had the older website, I got permission from the 2 people who gave me those photos. But when my old computer died I lost the emails with their names and permissions. It is driving me nuts. It is photos of groups of Val and Paris lace sample strips. If the maker will contact me, I'll be happy. I do understand the problem that Ilske refers to. There is a photographer who has a flickr account and posts lots and lots of photos he takes at lace exhibitions in Europe. He never gives attributions. I've pointedly asked him in a few cases who made or designed the laces and he seems to think it is asking too much, that he shouldn't be expected to notice the name of the contributor. My plan with him is that every time I see him post a new photo, I'm going to ask who made it and designed it. Eventually it may get through to him that he needs to record that information. I have not written to flickr to make a formal complaint, because, frankly I do want to see his pictures. He allows me to see laces I would never know about otherwise. I just want to educate this guy about his moral responsibilities. And I do not think that this topic is off lace or not directly relevant. A lot of our participants design and photograph their laces. Posting the photos is a service to the lace world (as well as a little justified bragging). How those photos are used or misused is a matter of great concern to their creators. You want to keep on seeing their photos? Don't let anybody misuse them or dismiss this as irrelevant. Lorelei - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] historic clothing
I know of a couple of lists for people with such an interest, but it matters what is the period of interest. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernu...@yahoo.com - Original Message - From: "Lorelei Halley" To: Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 1:16 PM Subject: [lace] historic clothing Hi In another group I belong to, I came across someone with an interest in historic clothing. her blog has a list of online related contacts. Since those questions come up her periodically, I thought I should post the link. http://www.rossiele.blogspot.com Lorelei - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
[lace] historic clothing
Hi In another group I belong to, I came across someone with an interest in historic clothing. her blog has a list of online related contacts. Since those questions come up her periodically, I thought I should post the link. http://www.rossiele.blogspot.com Lorelei - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] protecting lace photos
If you want to watermark your lace photos with your name and date and a copyright symbol, I recommend Picasa, It's a great photo organizer and it's free. It also does a good job of photo-editing (cropping, straightening, retouching, removing red eye) and special effects (soft focus, black&white, sepia, colour saturation, sharpening). In fact, I use it for any photo-editing that doesn't require bringing out the big guns like Photoshop. It also does collages, which is another possibility. You can make collages of your lace photos and people can get an idea of the designs but they're too small to be copied and a collage is pretty individual. Download here: http://picasa.google.com/ Info about features: I've used it for years and like it very much. Avital Blog: http://apinnick.wordpress.com Flickr: http://www.flickr.com/photos/spindexr - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
[lace] Re: What is this ?
"...this is a set-up basket for a vintage circular sock knitting machine...continuous sausage" Jacquie Thank you for the comprehensive explanation! I would add that all I know, do afterthought heels, taking out 50-60% stitches and placing short row heels, etc., rather than wearing a tube. They are very desirable in the USA, and go for high money. Most of the people I know who actually have them though, are in Canada. Best,Susan Reishus - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
[lace] Re: Shredding Threads
"...threads to become weakened and shred is the covercloth...they may wear out (because of) friction between the cloth and the threads passing across..." Alex Thank you for the information, Alex! Do you have recommendations for fabrics, please, as something like satin would be too slick, so perhaps a fine Egyptian cotton, etc.? I think these perhaps seemingly minor points are so huge, as it takes years to discover through astuteness, experience and time. What a gift to those of us who are lagging behind, or slowed by an unshared "Aha!" Best, Susan Reishus - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] Was: Fanastic Binche, now lace site with photos
If I may reply to this. I was just impressed to see all the lace. I have bookmarked the site so that I can look at it slowly and appreciate each piece. It also gave me ideas so I can look for those patterns and try them myself. Please don't make her feel bad and take the site off the internet. Becca - Original Message - From: "Brenda Paternoster" To: "Avital" Cc: lace@arachne.com Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 3:15:40 AM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: Re: [lace] Was: Fanastic Binche, now lace site with photos On 22 Feb 2010, at 04:19, Avital said that Gisela Michta-Altruye wrote: > > It was never my intention to harm anyone nor to take credit for > anyone's work. If there's a name or a link with a picture, I will > always use it. And then it's a fact that once people put pictures on > the internet, they will start to lead their own lives. Many of those > pictures can be found on several sites. > > Nevertheless, I will remove the pictures from my blog if you can let > me know which ones the discussion is about. > That's a lie. If she found the Christmas card exchange photos on Jenny Brandis's website then they all have proper credits. The bobbin photos on my website were originally just listed as specials and I don't think that I stated that they were my own bobbins and my own photos, but I did give credit to the makers; Stuart Johnson, Eric Sutton and Barry Adams and because I know who made them it suggests that they are from my own collection. I now state "Unless otherwise stated all of the pictures on this page are of bobbins from my own collection. If you find the same image on any other website it has been used without my permission". That was added after I'd seen the same pics on Gisela's website. I agree with her that many pictures (and text) gets copied from one website to another, but that's because of people like her! However, as I've stated before, if you put an image onto a public website you are effectively putting it into the public domain even though you legally retain the copyright. It's the principle of not asking and not giving credits that offends me, not the fact that she obviously likes the pictures. Brenda in Allhallows paternos...@appleshack.com http://paternoster.orpheusweb.co.uk/ - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] fantastic Binche
I am an not a member of the chat side of this and I worry that some of us have moved away from lace specific topics. But, and it is a big but, I find this very much concerns me. My wife used to say "Are you going to let the Jerks run your life." I would never use anyone else's photos or designs with out acknowledging where they came from. And even with emails from this group to my lace friends, I try to always ask permission before I forward anything. except links. And I usually state something like "here is a link someone sent on arachne." But now for the confession. I have lots of photos and designs by others on my computer. All the designs have where I found them and other details. The photos are more of a problem, since I cannot always figure out how to attach the relevant information to the file. I often spend lots of time looking over this photos for ideas and inspiration. Especially in my early tatting days I learned a lot by other's work that I did not have time to work-up myself. I responded to this particular eMail because one of my UFOs is a Spanish Pillow I hope to finish should I ever get the time. I have a Word document where I have Antje's instructions for this pillow. I was hoping after I made the pillow to ask for additional photos of the stand. Outside of an old watercolor easel I have seen noting like it and I know I will want one for myself someday. I already have the bobbins she recommended. I would have no knowledge of these things were it not for the free exchange on the web. The tatting world has recently lost the free access to the work of a well known designer. And yes, I find that I have 497 files (photos, instructions, newsletters) as well as two of her books. I understand the frustration she has felt as others have sold her work without permission or acknowledgement. I need the detail, I need the exchange we have here. Though I have over 150 books on tatting, bobbin lace and just lace we all know that this field is too big for most personal libraries to cover it. I know I am probably "preaching to the choir" but I do hope we can educate the community to nurture our creative souls, not feed off of them End of rant. Pat the Tat Rat AKA Tatted Thread Bear NATA # 793 -- From: "A. González" Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2010 6:43 AM Things like this really make me sometimes think if it is a good idea to have a web site and share information with an anonymous world. But fortunately, I have also had very good experiences with my web site... and have got in touch with very interesting people in the lace world. So, let's concentrate on the good part of it. Greetings from Antje, in Guadalajara, Spain, where it is snowing again. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] unauthorized use of photos posted on the web
On 2/22/2010 9:43 AM, hottl...@neo.rr.com wrote: Also there are many sites where posted photos have the owner's name printed "on" the photo (like a time/date stamp), sometimes obscuring part of the subject but mostly not. Here is a link: https://www.digimarc.com/solutions/images/update.asp It is a program that puts a digital watermark on your photos to protect them on the internet. It is also used by professional photographers who give proof books to customers - to prevent them from scanning the proofs and not buying the photos!! Clay - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
[lace] unauthorized use of photos posted on the web
Hello All! I am the least knowledgable person to help in this area, however, apparently there is some way to prevent photos from being "lifted" from your site. I often save web photos for personal use in the future because of lost links, broken links, websites moved etc. etc. but I can recall visiting sites where right clicking to save a photo brought up a screen that stated copyright info & denied permission. Also there are many sites where posted photos have the owner's name printed "on" the photo (like a time/date stamp), sometimes obscuring part of the subject but mostly not. Perhaps Avital or others will advise on this subject? Would this be a satisfactory ounce of prevention? Sincerely, Susan, in Erie where a warming trend has brought sleet instead of snow & Lake Erie is still frozen, proof that hell freez...@*! - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
[lace] Re: protecting lace photos cont.
Susie, on the web-site you se the full picture but if you try to take it it's only a thumbnail. Ilske - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
[lace] protecting lace photos cont.
That is a very good point Ilske, Then why not label it with a year and the name of the exhibit. (copyright symbol, 2009, L.A.C.E. Day) Perhaps that will give the maker some credit through associationbut you have a very valid point. Or You still own the photo and it could still have your name on it. Perhaps (copyright symbol, date, taken by S. Johnson.) Thumbnails is a valid idea but show very little definition for those of us that love eye candy. I would hate to resort to sharing only thumbnail photos. Resizing photos to small sizes allows some definition but doesn't make them very desirable to reproduce. Susie Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 7:44 AM Subject: Re: [lace] protecting lace photos Susie, your suggestion is a good one but it doesn't help if people take photos in exhibitions and forget to notice the name of the designer. Another possibility is to protect the photos that another person can't take the origin photo from your site only a thumbnail. Ilske - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] protecting lace photos
Susie, your suggestion is a good one but it doesn't help if people take photos in exhibitions and forget to notice the name of the designer. Another possibility is to protect the photos that another person can't take the origin photo from your site only a thumbnail. Ilske - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
[lace] protecting lace photos
Hi Lacemakers, One of the things you can do to protect your copy right of the laces on your websites is to open your photos in a program that allow you to add words to the photo and re-save it with your name on it. You can add, for example: (copyright symbol) 2009 SJohnson to the face of the photos. Then when it is "borrowed" from your website, you name goes along also; unless they re-crop it of course, and even that can be hard if you place your name partially on the lace itself. I have seen many designers are doing so on their prickings. Why not also do it on your photos? I haven't done it to my photos, but now I think I will start. Just a thought Susie Susie Johnson Morris, IL 815-942-1838 http://home.comcast.net/~cjohnson0969/home.html cjohnson0...@comcast.net - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] Was: Fanastic Binche, now lace site with photos
On 22 Feb 2010, at 04:19, Avital said that Gisela Michta-Altruye wrote: > > It was never my intention to harm anyone nor to take credit for > anyone's work. If there's a name or a link with a picture, I will > always use it. And then it's a fact that once people put pictures on > the internet, they will start to lead their own lives. Many of those > pictures can be found on several sites. > > Nevertheless, I will remove the pictures from my blog if you can let > me know which ones the discussion is about. > That's a lie. If she found the Christmas card exchange photos on Jenny Brandis's website then they all have proper credits. The bobbin photos on my website were originally just listed as specials and I don't think that I stated that they were my own bobbins and my own photos, but I did give credit to the makers; Stuart Johnson, Eric Sutton and Barry Adams and because I know who made them it suggests that they are from my own collection. I now state "Unless otherwise stated all of the pictures on this page are of bobbins from my own collection. If you find the same image on any other website it has been used without my permission". That was added after I'd seen the same pics on Gisela's website. I agree with her that many pictures (and text) gets copied from one website to another, but that's because of people like her! However, as I've stated before, if you put an image onto a public website you are effectively putting it into the public domain even though you legally retain the copyright. It's the principle of not asking and not giving credits that offends me, not the fact that she obviously likes the pictures. Brenda in Allhallows paternos...@appleshack.com http://paternoster.orpheusweb.co.uk/ - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
