[lace] more Honiton
Robin and Susan The weaver color dominates simply because there is more of it. Look here for an example. http://lynxlace.com/images/r29o.jpg Tensioning doesn't have anything to do with it. Lorelei - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] twists
Hi Aachnids Re: On 2013-01-05, at 1:22 PM, Sue Babbs wrote: Over the years we have been discussing, on and off, the fact that some bobbins seem to twist / untwist more than others. At present I am working a wide torchon edging in cashmere/silk mix, with the same thread and Swedish bobbins throughout. ON the left I have a half stitch fan for the headside, and on the right of the pattern is a variety of cloth stitch pairs and some ct pin ct areas. The bobbins in the half stitch area are losing their twist, and those on the right side with mostly ct pin ct are steadily gaining twist. Those in the middle (which probably travel in and out of the other areas) are more stable. I have never seen such pronounced differences as working in this lace-weight yarn. Sue This sounds like the problem may be due to the pillow you are using. Are you using a cookie pillow with a high dome that would cause bobbind on the left to roll to the left, those on the right to roll towards the right. Those in the centre will not roll much? Unspangled bobbins developed alongside flat, or nearly flat, pillows and do not work as well with domed pillows that cause them to roll away from the centre. This could account for the twists to occur in different directions. Domed pillows developed alongside the Midlands spangled bobbins, the spangles reducing any tendency for the bobbins to roll while the curvature of the pillow allows the bobbins to be easily spread, enables the weight of the spangle to act on the thread to keep the hitch in place and maintain tension. Hope this helps. Happy lacemaking Alex - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] more Honiton - colour dominance
But (at least in torchon or other laces with a regular grid/pin spacing) in a cloth stitch area with all the passives the same colour, surely there will be almost the same amount of each colour thread in the finished block? n passives doing 1 row each = 1 worker doing n rows Beth (Cheshire, NW England) On 06/01/13 08:01, Lorelei Halley wrote: Robin and Susan The weaver color dominates simply because there is more of it. Look here for an example. http://lynxlace.com/images/r29o.jpg Tensioning doesn't have anything to do with it. Lorelei - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/ - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] lace on display Honiton tutes
Hello All! For Arlene, you are one lucky gal to have seen the Met lace display in person. Jeri too. The online examples are absolutely delicious so the in person version must be sublime! To your question--lace is on display in the 2nd floor Lace Room at the Flager Museum in Palm Beach, FL. My husband took me last year there are a few pictures posted to Flickr (thank you Clay others who posted/moved them). I would like to go again spend more time, although having a lace-educated docent would be helpful since I don't know what I don't know! Kudos to Jane, Jacquie, Bev others who have so graciously shared their Honiton knowledge Lorelei, your Torchon color sample was awesome. Originally, I planned to just work my way thru the Lace Guild booklet, but now I see that I need to work each sample more than once to incorporate all the technical details that have been raised here. What a challenge! Sincerely, Susan Hottle, Palm Beach Gardens, FL USA - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] twists
Intriguing, yes! I suppose the unwinding happens with the CT movement because there isn't a second C in the stitch sequence to reverse or counteract the T , be the T ever so subtle, each time? On Sun, Jan 6, 2013 at 6:51 AM, Sue Babbs sueba...@comcast.net wrote: I was really just intrigued that the inclusion of half stitch made the bobbins unwind, which they hadn't done on the earlier strip on either side of the pattern -- Bev in Shirley BC, near Sooke on beautiful Vancouver Island, west coast of Canada - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Lace at Museums
I am glad that Arlene enjoyed the lace exhibit, Gems of European Lace: ca. 1600-1920 which will be closing on January 13. In answer to the question about lace being on display in museums, as Lace Study Editor of the Bulletin (International Organization of Lace) I always have my ear to the ground about sightings of lace in museums, and am eager to hear about them. There is lace on display at the Isabella Stewart Gardiner Museum in Boston. Unfortunately it is positioned so far behind a velvet cord that it is hard to appreciate it, while other pieces are actually positioned in a case that you cannot see at all due to the cord. Isabella Stewart Gardiner left a very restrictive will that required the museum not change anything, which is probably why the lace is even on display. However, the museum was built in the early 20th century when, I suppose, you would allow visitors to go into tight little alcoves to look at lace. Now, that would be unmanageable from a crowd control aspect, so the lace is there, but the cord keeps you from seeing it. The Flagler has some very high quality lace on display which fills a small room. I admire them for putting it there. I think it must have been researched largely from books, as there are some minor things that I would argue about on the labels. But overall, a noble effort. It is nicely presented in high quality cases and you can really see it. It is accompanied by interesting story boards on the walls. Then there are the Lace Museum in Sunnyvale and the one at the Kliot store, Lacis. But one would have to already know one wanted to see lace to go there. It would not be a case of discovering it. As Karen says, there are conservation issues with light exposure. But you don't see the Smithsonian keeping the dresses of the First Ladies in storage to preserve them, and they are as fragile, if not more so, than the lace. I think the largest issue is that interest in various things in museums go in cycles, and lace has been out of fashion in curatorial circles in the US for a while. The 1920s was an era when no self respecting museum would be without a lace collection. But we have been in a prolonged downswing since then. It is no accident that the only lace on display in a non-lace museum occurs in one where the items on display haven't changed in a century (Isabella Stewart Gardiner) and one that glorifies the Gilded Age (Flagler). But, how does one create a new era of lace interest such as the 1920s when there is so little lace on display for people to become interested in? As my husband says, people wouldn't be interested in dinosaur bones if they were all kept in boxes, rather than mounted in the Natural History Museum. Many people have told me, in reference to the exhibit at the Met that they didn't know that lace could be like that. In fact, one of the most gratifying things has been to see younger people who are seeing museum quality lace for the first time and are amazed at the artistry and craftsmanship. It has been very enjoyable to see people viewing the exhibit and becoming excited about something they had never seen before. Arlene has raised some very interesting questions. Devon - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] A short and nice story
Dear Arachnids, I thought you would like to know that the ACP-The Catalonian lace Ass., was asked to design the Royal Crowns that Their Majesties the Three Kings, would wear in the Three Kings Parade 2013 in Barcelona. This was just last night. The crowns were worked with gold and silver metallic threads, and I think that the result has been spectacular. The main difficulty was to get the necessary stiffness. If you like to see them, please visit the ACP's web, and just click on News Lace crowns for the three Kings. It has been hung also a video of the Parade, were it can be seen the Kings wearing the crowns. http://www.puntaires.com/en/ If you are thinking in coming to Spain, maybe you would like to know that the annual open lace day XXVI DIADA DE LA PUNTAIRE, will take place this year (25nth ACP's anniversary), along with other different lace events the 26nth May.,in Barcelona. Kind regards Carolina. Barcelona. Spain -- Carolina de la Guardia http://www.carolgallego.com Witch Stitch Lace - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] more Honiton - colour dominance
Beth If you look at the photo in the link I gave you will see how the weaver color affects the appearance of each diamond or lozenge in cloth stitch. Even in half stitch, the weaver color, if consistent, dominates the color of the section. http://lynxlace.com/images/17BLA8.JPG http://lynxlace.com/images-h-det-diag/halfstitch.JPG http://lynxlace.com/images/r29sql10.jpg I am not talking about hypotheticals, but about affects that I have noticed after they happened. Lorelei - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] A short and nice story
Beautiful! Thanks for posting the link! Clay , Carolina de la Guardia carolina...@aol.com wrote: Dear Arachnids, I thought you would like to know that the ACP-The Catalonian lace Ass., was asked to design the Royal Crowns that Their Majesties the Three Kings, would wear in the Three Kings Parade 2013 in Barcelona. This was just last night. The crowns were worked with gold and silver metallic threads, and I think that the result has been spectacular. The main difficulty was to get the necessary stiffness. If you like to see them, please visit the ACP's web, and just click on News Lace crowns for the three Kings. It has been hung also a video of the Parade, were it can be seen the Kings wearing the crowns. http://www.puntaires.com/en/ - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Lace at museums
Museums abound for all sorts of things. Art and history are the most prominent. Art, in my opinion, includes lace. The thing about the average art museum is that those who go there have acquired an education about what is standing there, and what is hanging on the walls. Art history courses can be a requirement in college. Or your husband/mother/father/girlfriend is interested in art and educated you when you went to museums. Or you read the numerous art history/criticism books available today. We always get the audioguide for any museum we go to in order to understand why a particular painting is hanging on the wall. Seeing that a picture is pretty is nice, but that doesn’t even scratch the surface of the meaning of a true work of art. Knowing about art history and painting in general enhances the appreciation of a particular picture. Lace in a museum suffers from the ignorance of the viewers, and the way it is presented. Most people who look at lace have little or no comprehension of why this particular piece of lace is there. And indeed, in the museums I have seen, with the possible exception of the present exhibit at the Metropolitan Museum of Art in New York, the piece of lace is presented, but there is no explanation as to why it should be in a museum. No explanation as to the style of lace, where it was or probably was made, the statistics about that piece, the history of that particular type of lace, where the piece has been, if that is known. The erroneous assumption is made that the person will know why this piece of lace is in a museum and thus will be able to truly appreciate it. People in general, especially in the United States, do not understand lace, do not know its history, do not know why it is special. When planning a museum exhibit of lace, this must be considered, explanations must be presented as to why it is there, much more than the explanations about the paintings, because the general public knows a lot more about painting than it does about lace. Lyn in Lancaster, Pennsylvania, USA, reveling in a Pennsylvania winter, as opposed to the dismal, dreary, dark Christmas in Goteborg, Sweden. Pennsylvania has bright sunny days, days without wind and rain. And 4 more hours of daylight in the middle of winter. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] twists
Sue Babbs sueba...@comcast.net wrote: I was really just intrigued that the inclusion of half stitch made the bobbins unwind, which they hadn't done on the earlier strip on either side of the pattern- It sounds to me like you use slightly different movement to work CTC and CT. I know, I do. When I do cloth stitch, it's actually 5 movements for me: C, T, C, push 1 pair aside, pull 1 new pair in, repeat. When I do half stitch, I get closer to throwing the bobbins and it becomes 3 movements: C, T-and-drop (one pair aside), pull another pair in, repeat. The difference in handling could very well cause a difference in how much the threads twist and/or in which direction they twist. I just don't know how much or in what direction, never having examined the result. I'm always checking for over/under twisting, and rolling the bobbins that need fixing, so I don't pay attention to what might have caused more or less of it. Robin P. Los Angeles, California, USA robinl...@socal.rr.com Sue sueba...@comcast.net This sounds like the problem may be due to the pillow you are using. Are you using a cookie pillow with a high dome that would cause bobbind on the left to roll to the left, those on the right to roll towards the right. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/ - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Lace at Museums
dmt11h...@aol.com wrote: In fact, one of the most gratifying things has been to see younger people who are seeing museum quality lace for the first time and are amazed at the artistry and craftsmanship. It has been very enjoyable to see people viewing the exhibit and becoming excited about something they had never seen before. Devon has a point. Most people only know what they see for 25 cents/yard at Walmart. How can they appreciate lace with that as their only standard? Robin P. Los Angeles, California, USA robinl...@socal.rr.com - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] twists
I've been following this thread with great interest! And, honestly, have no absolute opinion one way or the other... But I did find, on a recent Binche piece, that there was some of this same tread misbehavior going on. At such a fine scale, my attempts to compensate we're not glaringly evident, but my conclusion was that if a thread was moving in the same direction as te twist on the passives, then it tended to sink into the passive twist. If it was moving in the opposite direction, then it was more inclined to sit on the passives. When I added a twist to the former, the workers maintained more integrity, and did not sink, therefore helping the problem. It's still an ongoing challenge, however! Clay Sent from my iPad On Jan 6, 2013, at 8:09 PM, robinl...@socal.rr.com wrote: Sue Babbs sueba...@comcast.net wrote: I was really just intrigued that the inclusion of half stitch made the bobbins unwind, which they hadn't done on the earlier strip on either side of the pattern- It sounds to me like you use slightly different movement to work CTC and CT. I know, I do. When I do cloth stitch, it's actually 5 movements for me: C, T, C, push 1 pair aside, pull 1 new pair in, repeat. When I do half stitch, I get closer to throwing the bobbins and it becomes 3 movements: C, T-and-drop (one pair aside), pull another pair in, repeat. The difference in handling could very well cause a difference in how much the threads twist and/or in which direction they twist. I just don't know how much or in what direction, never having examined the result. I'm always checking for over/under twisting, and rolling the bobbin that need fixing, so I don't pay attention to what might have caused more or less of it. Robin P. Los Angeles, California, USA robinl...@socal.rr.com Sue sueba...@comcast.net This sounds like the problem may be due to the pillow you are using. Are you using a cookie pillow with a high dome that would cause bobbind on the left to roll to the left, those on the right to roll towards the right. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/ - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/ - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Lace at museums.
I was one of the lucky ones who was on the American History tour at the IOLI convention last year. The afternoon drooling over their lace collection was one of the highlights of my USA trip! So Karen - a Big thank you to the people who organized that viewing, and the presentation plus the folders full of information that we each were given to bring home. Linda, I am glad to hear the Rocky Mts Lace Guild are working with the Museum Textiles section and hopefully you will be successful and get a permanent display. Having seen a few pieces they have (at the IOLI convention Exhibition in 2005) I can only imagine what else they must have hidden away. Best wishes for your success in this venture. Regards from Liz in very hot, dry, Melbourne, Oz. lizl...@bigpond.com - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Re Honiton
Thank you Jane This is it in a nutshell Jan Jan M in Brisbane Qld Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2013 13:09:06 + From: Jane Partridge jpartri...@pebble.demon.co.uk Subject: [lace] Re: more Honiton - colour dominance The sample lace illustrated in a previous post was Torchon, not Honiton. Tensioning in Honiton is via a completely different method to that used in other laces - you do not pull on any of the threads, but control the work by moving the bobbins well from one side of the pillow to the other whilst working - this evens out the areas of cloth (for which there should be sufficient passives to ensure a close evenweave cloth results in areas of cloth stitch - leave sparse weaving for the likes of Bucks!) and reduces the chances of breaking threads by pulling on them at all. The aim is for even tension on both threads, if the runner dominates, then it has been pulled too tightly. At the footside edge, you place the pin before making up the stitch, only tensioning lightly before the next row, particularly if you worked a back stitch on the previous pin where any pulling could result in disaster. The hang of the bobbins on the pillow (which should be about 12 diameter and look like a flattened football - it has a very slight dome, but not so much as a cookie pillow) will also control some of the tension. This is one lace where the choice of tools does affect the results! Colour dominance will also be affected by many other factors - including ratio of warp to weft and the relative tones of the two (or more) colours used - a bright red will stand out against a dull green. In weaving, you can use a neutral colour and wider spacing of the warp and so allow a closely woven weft to dominate, (in bobbin lace weft threads are runners, warps are passives) but here you are aiming for an even weave with neither thread dominating the other. In message 50e949ac.20...@capuchin.co.uk, Beth Marshall b...@capuchin.co.uk writes So I think it is the tension that makes the difference - there's more of the more loosely tensioned thread to see, as well as it being more on the surface as Robin pointed out - -- Jane Partridge - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
