RE: [lace] Lace Patterns-Value

[Lorelei Halley]

Devon
Very good response. You covered the issues of creating the instructions very
well. That is a significant part of the issue.
Lorelei


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Subject: [lace] Lace Patterns-Value

I have always been interested in the sort of disconnect in the lace world
between the amount of effort that it takes to design a bobbin lace pattern 

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Re: [lace] Lace Express

[Kim Davis]

I have noticed, on Pinterest, what language you search for things has a
huge impact on how many and what quality you get.  It is possible that
entire markets were wiped out, but we may not be feeling it in our own.
As someone who designs, it is very, very sad.  It is not the money that
bothers me, it is simply the issue of respecting my intellectual property
as well as my time.

Kim

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Re: [lace] Lace Patterns-Value

[Anna Binnie]

I wonder what the average amount of time is for designing a pattern? When we
ask people to contribute a pattern to a project are we essentially asking for
50 hours of their time? At a rate of say, $10 an hour, is it the same as
soliciting $500 from people or asking them to provide over a week a full time
labor?


Dear Devon et al
In the last year or so I contributed a pattern to 'Australian Lace'. It 
is a small linen basket.


Yous wonder how much time it took, well it started off as a commission 
for a Workshop I give every year to a small group in Orange NSW. They 
asked for something with a circle and something that everyone could do 
but would challenge everyone. Group size was 9 and experience went from 
1year to 25+ years.


The thought process took several months, once the basket was hit on, it 
became easier.


Basket basics were designed while camping in the remote Cape Range 
National Park. My husband and his friends were caving everyday for 4 
days leaving me in camp free to design.


The basic structure took a week to draw up and put in the stitches.

The drawing up of the pricking and thread diagrams took another month.

First test run took 5 days

Second test run took 2 days

Teaching notes and diagrams took 3 weeks.

I had posted photos on Facebook and a lady from the US wanted the 
pattern, I sent it and all the information to her in exchange for 
'payment' which was a $5-$10 donation to a charity helping people. She 
donated to a local women's refuge.


The group was so excited by that workshop that they wrote an article for 
'Australian Lace' I was also excited by their response and wrote an 
article about the workshop from a teacher's perspective and decided to 
publish the pattern.


I have designed lace for other workshops in a variety of laces, so here 
is my take:-


Some lacemakers are takers as in 'give me, give me, give me' as in greedy!
More lacemakers a VERY grateful for anything you do give them both in 
your designs and in terms of patterns and tuition.


There are some (and these are in the minority) who take share and 
exploit! It is because there are these lacemakers that I've decided NOT 
to try and earn anything from my patterns. If i share my patterns I 
share them gladly if I wish to sell them then all I ask is for people to 
make a donation of about $5-$10 in their local currency to a local 
charity. In this way the purchaser gets their pattern, a charity gets 
some money to keep functioning AND the pattern recipient gets the tax 
benefit of her donation AND I don't fret about copied patterns. I see it 
as a win win win situation.


I know there are rouge copies floating about the country, in fact I know 
who obtained them without due process. It is amazing what information 
you can get out of checking who is viewing and downloading things from 
your own webpage, especially when the webpage was 'password protected' 
for the benefit of those who signed up to do the online workshop.


Anna in a very wet Sydney, the sun was out for a few days.

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Re: [lace] Malta

[Sue Harvey]

You must go over to the island of Gozo not far from Malta easily done on a day 
trip. We went to the museum it's small but some interesting lace.  We also 
found a shop selling lace on the Main Street of Valletta.  We asked the shop 
owner if he had any old lace we could see and he had pull out drawers in the 
shop he shew us some beautiful antique lace that his grandmother made. 
Sue Harvey
Norfolk UK 



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Re: [lace] Malta

[Karen ZM]

Unfortunately Julie, there is not much lace on display in Malta and no
dedicated museum, though a few pieces could be found here and there.

Perhaps if you tell me how long you are here for (and which days of the
week), I will ask at a lesson I attend in Qormi. The parish church of St
George dos have a beautiful collection of lace and embroidery - not all on
display - but I will have to check when they are open. I also know of a
private collection in Valletta and perhaps you can make arrangements to see
some of the lace. It is in an old, beautiful house worth seeing, but the
lace is not on display - it would have to be brought out specially.

Also, if you have enough time to go to Gozo (sister island), there is a
small museum with a wonderful collection there.

If you wish, you may write to me off list.

Karen in Malta.

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[lace] Malta

[Barrie Todd]

I am going to Malta in August this year and would like to know what I should 
make a point of seeing while I am there, especially any lace shops / lace 
displays etc.  
Can anyone please help me ?

Many thanks
Julie Todd
from New Zealand

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[lace] Lace Patterns-Value

[devonthein]

I have always been interested in the sort of disconnect in the lace world
between the amount of effort that it takes to design a bobbin lace pattern and
the amount of value that is associated with that. Simply designing and making
a piece is just the first step.  Designing a pattern is really difficult
because it isn’t just coming up with a pleasing piece, it is also trying to
write the instructions so that anyone can do it. You need to be able to
diagram and also do thread drawings. You have to start with readily available
threads. You have to tailor it to a skill level that is widely available. I
imagine you have to make it several times as you try to get the smoothest
version. The amount of time the designer devotes to streamlining the pattern
results in the ability of the lacemaker to have a really nice, satisfying
piece right off the bat without spending lots of time and frustration trying
to make a piece from scratch. It is really quite a lot of fun to make an
attractive piece where someone else has conquered all the design challenges
for you. I enjoy the activity of following a diagram, which is a different
kind of fun than designing something.

Throughout all the years that I have been associated with the Bulletin of the
IOLI the most common comment has been that people want more patterns in the
publication. But that desire has not been equally matched by the number of
people who want to go through the extensive work of designing patterns to
contribute to the publication. In my estimation, writing articles like the
ones I have written involves less time than designing a bobbin lace pattern.

We were always very grateful to authors who would contribute a pattern in
order to promote a book, and, of course, other contributors and editors. Yet,
we never had enough to satisfy the readers. At one time I thought maybe we
should have a series on how to design patterns, so that people could design
their own, and hopefully stop asking for them in the Bulletin. Another
brainstorm I had was to pay Michel Jourde who was a designer for Lace Express,
to design a series of patterns to be exclusive to us. Our editor at the time
did not want to do this because she felt that the mission of the publication
was to share things among the members. But that left us with the problem that
hundreds of members wanted patterns, and very few designed them. One attempt
to produce more patterns was to require the winners of the original lace
design contest to provide the pattern of the piece for “first publication”
I was fearful that this requirement would keep people from entering the
contest because they wouldn’t want to write out every step and diagram every
difficult corner. But, actually the patterns produced tended to be sketches
with a few notes and not as fully described as a commercial pattern. I
sometimes wonder if anyone has ever successfully made one of the contest
entries. However, In some ways the exercise of publishing these patterns
really has done a lot to illuminate how people do original lace art. They make
a sketch and apply a wide range of techniques that they have in their skill
tool box to it. This was sort of the idea I once had about doing a series
about how to design your own lace piece, so maybe that is the impact it is
having. But, a comparable concept would be to have an oil painting contest
where artists paint an original picture and then provide instructions so that
other people could paint the same picture.

One question I have wondered about, in my decades of thinking about this, is
why people want patterns from the magazine when they all make different kinds
of lace and could easily purchase a book of patterns of the kind of lace they
make. If you have ever tried to design a pattern you quickly come to the
conclusion that the books, although expensive, are actually cheap for the
amount of time involved in designing patterns. It is interesting that in the
comments from Lace Express they actually stated that their lace designers did
not make an hourly wage that is commensurate with the norm, so the designers
were really contributing a lot of uncompensated value to the magazine, and
even so, the magazine was unable to go on. I visited Michel Jourde some years
ago and bought some patterns from him. I think they were about $5 a piece.
Later I had a discussion with Holly about whether she would like to carry his
patterns and she said that her customers did not like to buy individual
patterns.  I think that Michel was actually someone who was seriously trying
to make money with his pattern design, but it seems that the structure of the
market was against him.

I wonder what the average amount of time is for designing a pattern? When we
ask people to contribute a pattern to a project are we essentially asking for
50 hours of their time? At a rate of say, $10 an hour, is it the same as
soliciting $500 from people or asking them to provide over a week a full time
labor?

While no one supports 

RE: [lace] Lace Express

[jo]

That's what made me order my Binche Kompact pattern: seeing it on someone's
blog. Sadly some ink is fading before I've finished the pattern. OK more
than four years is quite some time to work on it. Then again I have trouble
finding a printing service that would make a cheaper copy for a friend than
ordering a copy at the DKV. 

I also once bought a few copies of the Lace Express but can't remember I
ever made a pattern out of it. So I prefer single patterns rather than
magazines or books.

Jo

>  Now when I see a nice pattern on the internet I am much more interested
> in the origin than even considering opening the pattern.
> What have other people found?
>
> Jeanette Fischer, Western Cape, South Africa.

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Re: [lace] Lace Express

[Carolina de la Guardia]

Rosemary, and fellow lacemakers,

The only lace demo I have knowledge in Málaga (Spain) in June is

LAS LAGUNAS - MIJAS COSTA - MALAGA
Saturday 10th. June

Respect to Lace Express, as far as I'm concerned as designer and a regular
collaborator, it is a bad new, and sad for all who love lace. Probably, the
decision is not only for personal reasons  but for the little respect that
nowadays exists regarding copyright too, which is really discouraging.
Greetings from Barcelona


Carolina de la Guardia
www.carolgallego.com


Carolina de la Guardia
http://www.carolgallego.com

2017-03-13 13:49 GMT+01:00 Rosemary Brown :

> Dear Friends
>
> I have just received my regular copy of the lace magazine Lace Express and
> am sorry to find that it is to be the last one. This magazine has been
> around for some years and has added greatly to my enjoyment of lacemaking.
> It is has also been a great teaching resource. The professional finish of
> the magazine made it quite expensive but I think it served well to
> publicise a contemporary take on our traditional craft. I for one will miss
> it and send my best wishes to the Karpenko family for a well deserved
> retirement if that is the reason for the closure, assuming they read
> Arachne postings.
>
> On another topic, I am going to be on holiday in June in Malaga, Spain.
> Is there anywhere I must visit for some lace?
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RE: [lace] Lace Express

[Jeanette Fischer]

I did read Antje's blog at the time but I wonder if the patterns on
Pinterest really have that big an influence on the sale of the magazine.  I
have opened some of these scanned patterns but find them of no use what so
ever.  The resolution is so small that once the pattern is enlarged the
lines are so indistinct that the pattern is of no use what so ever. One is
also not sure of the correct size etc etc.  Now when I see a nice pattern on
the internet I am much more interested in the origin than even considering
opening the pattern.  What have other people found?  I also object to the
stealing of patterns and not giving credit etc etc but I find my interest is
more stimulated by seeing the prickings and then buying the book.  For us in
South Africa the Lace Express has become very expensive.

Jeanette Fischer, Western Cape, South Africa.

http://vueltaycruz.es/en/lace-makers-appeal.html

PD. The Karpenko's have not retired. They just could not keep the business
because all the copying. And they are not the only ones.

Have a nice day...

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RE: [lace] Lace Express-oops sorry I didn't trim

[devonthein]

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Re: [lace] Lace Express

[Carolyn M Salafia]

That is great news. !! What a relief.

In medicine we have started to preserve books that go out of friends, and it's
amazing how smart people were, and how much I've save myself from re-creating
the wheel by turning to sources who knew so much. I'm delighted that I am not
too late  to benefit from all of the experience and knowledge that will be in
those issues.

Sent from my iPhone and if I'm driving please excuse Siri derived typos.

> On Mar 13, 2017, at 12:17 PM, Bev Walker  wrote:
>
> Hello Carrie and everyone
>
> Lace Express back issues are readily available for purchase at their
website.
> www.laceexpress.com
>
>
>> On Mon, Mar 13, 2017 at 9:08 AM, Carolyn M Salafia
 wrote:
>> Agree one hundred percent. If there is an archive where copies can be
purchased to benefit the printers or their designate I'm happy to do so.
>>
>
>
> --
> Bev in Shirley BC, near Sooke on beautiful Vancouver Island, west coast of
Canada

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RE: [lace] Lace Express

[devonthein]

Dear Carrie,
I am glad you have gotten your life back. It is sad that Lace Express is
discontuing publication. But, all is not bleak in the lace world in your area.
As always, the Metro Chapter of the IOLI is just across the river from you,
and the Lost Art Lacers a bit farther away. Lace classes are being given in
several places in New Jersey, and also in Brooklyn at the Textile Arts Center,
505 Carroll St. Also, a new group, the Brooklyn Lace Guild has started up in
Brooklyn. The next meeting is in the evening of March 25, a Saturday. It meets
at the Textile Arts Center. In some ways, the lace scene has never been
brighter.
The Lace magazines of OIDFA, the Lace Guild (England) and the International
Organization of Lace are still being published. In addition there are a number
of internet sites, like the International Organization of Lace’s facebook
site that I maintain. I try to keep people up to date on the activities that
they might like to attend and what the chapters of the IOLI are up to. Check
out LaceNews, as well as a number of facebook sites devoted to Bobbin Lace.
Most importantly, the International Organization of Lace’s yearly convention
will be held in Philadelphia, July 16-22, the first on the east coast for some
time. There are still a few places available in classes.
I think that you will find that the lace community is still available as a
source of fun activities and social contact.
Devon, in New Jersey

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From: Carolyn M Salafia
Sent: Monday, March 13, 2017 11:39 AM
To: Rosemary Brown
Cc: Arachne
Subject: Re: [lace] Lace Express

Dear all

If anyone is willing to sell originals or copies of Lace express. ... I
finally have my life back (kids out of college) and am devastated by the loss
of this magazine

I would also be happy to scan any lace express issues return the original
to their owner  and donate the scans to any group or archive that would be
deemed appropriate.

Sadly

Carrie

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> On Mar 13, 2017, at 8:49 AM, Rosemary Brown  wrote:
>
> Dear Friends
>
> I have just received my regular copy of the lace magazine Lace Express and
am sorry to find that it is to be the last one. This magazine has been around
for some years and has added greatly to my enjoyment of lacemaking.  It is has
also been a great teaching resource. The professional finish of the magazine
made it quite expensive but I think it served well to publicise a contemporary
take on our traditional craft. I for one will miss it and send my best wishes
to the Karpenko family for a well deserved retirement if that is the reason
for the closure, assuming they read Arachne postings.
>
> On another topic, I am going to be on holiday in June in Malaga, Spain.  Is
there anywhere I must visit for some lace?
>
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Re: [lace] Lace Express

[Bev Walker]

Hello Carrie and everyone

Lace Express back issues are readily available for purchase at their
website.
www.laceexpress.com


On Mon, Mar 13, 2017 at 9:08 AM, Carolyn M Salafia <
carolyn.sala...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Agree one hundred percent. If there is an archive where copies can be
> purchased to benefit the printers or their designate I'm happy to do so.
>
>
-- 
Bev in Shirley BC, near Sooke on beautiful Vancouver Island, west coast of
Canada

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Re: [lace] Lace Express

[Carolyn M Salafia]

Agree one hundred percent. If there is an archive where copies can be purchased 
to benefit the printers or their designate I'm happy to do so. 

This was part of my happiest times many years ago and have been counting the 
years till I could again. 

Would be happy to do whatever folks felt was appropriate re payment. 

Carrie

Again would be 

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> On Mar 13, 2017, at 11:57 AM, AGlez  wrote:
> 
> I would like to share with you a post I published in my blog a few weeks
> ago. I think it is interesting for many lacemakers to know that and
> reconsider some attitudes.
> 
> http://vueltaycruz.es/en/lace-makers-appeal.html
> 
> PD. The Karpenko's have not retired. They just could not keep the business
> because all the copying. And they are not the only ones.
> 
> Have a nice day...
> 
> 
> 
> Antje González, Spain
> www.vueltaycruz.es
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Re: [lace] Lace Express

[AGlez]

I would like to share with you a post I published in my blog a few weeks
ago. I think it is interesting for many lacemakers to know that and
reconsider some attitudes.

http://vueltaycruz.es/en/lace-makers-appeal.html

PD. The Karpenko's have not retired. They just could not keep the business
because all the copying. And they are not the only ones.

Have a nice day...



Antje González, Spain
www.vueltaycruz.es

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Re: [lace] Lace Express

[Carolyn M Salafia]

Dear all

If anyone is willing to sell originals or copies of Lace express. ... I finally 
have my life back (kids out of college) and am devastated by the loss of this 
magazine 

I would also be happy to scan any lace express issues return the original 
to their owner  and donate the scans to any group or archive that would be 
deemed appropriate.  

Sadly

Carrie

Sent from my iPhone and if I'm driving please excuse Siri derived typos. 

> On Mar 13, 2017, at 8:49 AM, Rosemary Brown  wrote:
> 
> Dear Friends
> 
> I have just received my regular copy of the lace magazine Lace Express and am 
> sorry to find that it is to be the last one. This magazine has been around 
> for some years and has added greatly to my enjoyment of lacemaking.  It is 
> has also been a great teaching resource. The professional finish of the 
> magazine made it quite expensive but I think it served well to publicise a 
> contemporary take on our traditional craft. I for one will miss it and send 
> my best wishes to the Karpenko family for a well deserved retirement if that 
> is the reason for the closure, assuming they read Arachne postings.
> 
> On another topic, I am going to be on holiday in June in Malaga, Spain.  Is 
> there anywhere I must visit for some lace?
> 
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Re: [lace] Lace Express

[Carolinadgg]

Rosemary, and fellow lacemakers,

The only lace demo I have knowledge in Málaga (Spain) in June is

LAS LAGUNAS - MIJAS COSTA - MALAGA
Saturday 10th. June

Respect to Lace Express, as far as I'm concerned as designer and a regular
collaborator, it is a bad new, and sad for all who love lace. Probably, the
decision is not only for personal reasons  but for the little respect that
nowadays exists regarding copyright too, which is really discouraging.
Greetings from Barcelona


Carolina de la Guardia

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[lace] Lace Express

[Rosemary Brown]

Dear Friends

I have just received my regular copy of the lace magazine Lace Express 
and am sorry to find that it is to be the last one. This magazine has 
been around for some years and has added greatly to my enjoyment of 
lacemaking.  It is has also been a great teaching resource. The 
professional finish of the magazine made it quite expensive but I think 
it served well to publicise a contemporary take on our traditional 
craft. I for one will miss it and send my best wishes to the Karpenko 
family for a well deserved retirement if that is the reason for the 
closure, assuming they read Arachne postings.


On another topic, I am going to be on holiday in June in Malaga, Spain.  
Is there anywhere I must visit for some lace?


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[lace] 2017 Arachne Bookmark Exchange

[Lin Hudren]

We are down to the last days for sign ups for the bookmark exchange but
don't worry if you are a day or so behind.  I will make it happen.  Just
contact me (*linhud...@gmail.com *) and it will be
worked out.  Also, if you are delayed in mailing your bookmark to your
partner, let your partner and me know so we can take the worry out of the
wonderful anticipation.  This is to be FUN not a job or chore.  I will be
sending out the exchange partner pairings in a few days - no later than
3/20 but sooner if able.  I am always anxious to know who will be getting
my bookmark and what far away place I will be receiving mail from.  But if
you were on holiday or didn't see the announcement until the last minute -
join in anyway.  Nothing ventured, nothing gained.  I believe there is time
to get a bookmark made and in the mail by June 1st.



This year the schedule will go like this:

March 1-18   Sign Ups

March 20  Exchange partner assignments made and emailed out

June 1  All bookmarks should be in the mail (receipt by 7-10 days
after this)



Please send me your name, snail mailing address, email address, how many
bookmark(s) you wish to make and any geographical location(s) you prefer,
if any.  Thank you.



If this is your first time, you are going to have lots of pleasure.  If you
have been doing this for years, you know how much fun it can be.  Any type
of lace and pattern is appropriate.  Any skill level is welcome.  This is
"creative license" at its best.  Don't be shy - shine.  May the lace bug
bite for lots of fun.

Hugs, Lin and the Mali

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