[lace] hint

[Marianne Gallant]

Sort of coming out of lurkdom to contribute a trick I have been using 
since I started doing/learning Flanders lace. I had a hard time keeping 
track of the 'ring pair' and often ended up going right past it and then 
having to unlace to find it back again. I finally hit on a way to keep 
track of the ring pair. Using a different pair doesn't work, cause the 
ring pair often changes. But...I have started using small elastics to 
mark the ring pair, they are easily put on or taken off when they are no 
longer a ring pair, no more unlacing to find the ring pair back. They 
are small, about 1/2 inch diameter, and wrap around the bottom of 
continentals 2x to stay in place.
And once I started Binche, which not only has ring pairs, but also 
contour pairs, I was glad the package of little elastics (they came from 
the hair accessories department at the dollar store) had both white and 
black ones. so now any ring pair gets black elastics, and the contour 
pair gets the white ones. And since there are lots of elastics, it makes 
no difference how many of each pair set I need, and they are easily 
replaced if the snap, which they do cause they so often need to be moved 
from one pair of bobbins to another, and they were only $1 for a package 
of at least 100 (could be more, I lost the tag of the package).


*Marianne*

Marianne Gallant
Vernon, BC Canada
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RE: [lace] Please Share Lace Experiences and Questions

[Anita Hansen]

That should be the 2011 convention in Bethesda, not 2017.

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RE: [lace] Please Share Lace Experiences and Questions

[Anita Hansen]

I will confess to mostly lurking over the years with just occasional posts. I 
usally look daily at Arachne via the bookmark to the archive on my iPad, while 
getting digests in email. To reply is difficult because of need to get into 
email and retype the subject and cut/paste any discussion. Not always the 
easiest on a ipad. Well, just now I noticed a Reply Button at the bottom of the 
archive post. So I tried it and can now easily reply by replacing the posters 
email with lace@arachne yay!
I will also confess to being on the Facebook page (and fb in general) the past 
couple of years. I think both groups have value especially the ability to 
search the Arachne archives! But it is easier to help people (esp new 
lacemakers) with issues by viewing their photos.  There are over 5700 in one 
group with many people brand new and wanting to learn how to make bobbin lace. 
They see pics on the internet (pinterest) and then go searching for more 
information.

And I also want to thank Jeri for her invaluable contibutions over the many 
years. Because of Arachne I was thrilled to put her name to her face when I met 
her at the 2017 IOLI convention in Bethesda. I will never forget her arachnid 
hat! Thank you Jeri!

Well, I’ve babbled long enough and will try to contribute more in the future!
Anita Hansen
Cedar Rapids, Iowa  where we have NO snow (yet)

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[lace] Spulfix bobbin winder for counter-clockwise winding

[Earl & Ruth Johnson]

Do you have experience using the battery-powered Spulfix bobbin winder from
Germany?  I want to wind Idrija bobbins for Idrija lace to be worked a
bolster pillow and the bobbins need to be wound *counter-clockwise,* i.e.
with the thread coming from *behind* and *underneath* the bobbin.  Is this
possible with the Spulfix winder?

Ruth Johnson
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada

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[lace] Re: Smithsonian Ipswich lace pillow

[Susan]

Thanks for the clarification Karen!  From the online description it wasn’t
clear that the lace sample is simply resting on an Ipswich pillow.  So—even
if this lace was made in Ipswich, it is not Ipswich lace because it doesn’t
have the correct characteristics!  This is where it would be instructive to
see two samples side by side—real Ipswich & a highly similar point ground
example.  Sincerely, Susan Hottle USA

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> On Dec 9, 2017, at 3:42 PM, Karen Thompson 
wrote:
>
> Hi Susan,
> The white lace on the Smithsonian Ipswich pillow is a simple point ground
lace made about 70 years after the Ipswich lace industry.

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Re: [lace] snow art

[martina . dewille]

Thank you Lorelei, for sharing this link. Just beautful art - very lacelike.

Martina in Germany, where it started to snow a few days ago.




Am 9 Dec 2017 um 17:40 hat Lorelei Halley geschrieben:

> https://www.facebook.com/pg/Avantgardens.org/photos/?tab=album
>  4517309562023> &album_id=1704517309562023 
> 
>  
> 
> Lorelei
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[lace] snow art

[Lorelei Halley]

https://www.facebook.com/pg/Avantgardens.org/photos/?tab=album
 &album_id=1704517309562023 

 

Lorelei

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Re: [lace] Ipswich lace

[Sue Babbs]

And I bought it when I first heard it was in print.  Definitely worth 
getting.  I put it on the demo table at the Chicago Botanic Garden so that I 
could talk about historical lace in the USA



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Re: [lace] Ipswich lace

[N.A. Neff]

I'm not waiting for Christmas, nor do I trust my elves to bring me all the
lace books I want. I have this book, among others, on order (and I hope in
the mail), and a bunch of CDs on my wish list!!

On Sat, Dec 9, 2017 at 3:16 PM, Adele Shaak  wrote:

>
> But honestly, doesn’t all this talk make you want to put Karen’s book
on
> your Christmas list?
>

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[lace] Ipswich

[Lorelei Halley]

I have been collecting photos of laces for lace identification purposes. I
have a pinterest board with some of Karen Thompson's photos. If I remember
correctly they were originally posted on facebook.

https://www.pinterest.com/lynxlacelady/ipswich-bobbin-lace/ 

Lorelei Halley

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RE: [lace] Please Share Lace Experiences and Questions

[Lorelei Halley]

I think so, too.
Lorelei

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One other thought: I'm finding some of the Arachne-like discussion is now
happening on Facebook, especially in the group Bobbin Lace MakersNancy
Connecticut, USA

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[lace] Ipswich (MA) bobbins

[jviking]

Hi All, I've found this thread interesting but only now checked the photos
from the Smithsonian.  Years ago I took our local kind of bamboo to Ken
Van Dieren at the Ithaca Lace Days to make some Ipswich bobbins.  Thinking
of bobbins shaped on a lathe I couldn't figure out how he could use the
bamboo.  Seeing the bobbins in the pictures, of course they used this kind
of bamboo!  The bobbins are just a stalk with plugs in the end. This
bamboo grows rampant in my corner of New England so they'd have plenty for
Ipswich lace and making the bobbins would be fairly easy.

Thanks for clearing that up!  Jane in Vermont, USA where it is snowing,
first time this year I think.
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Re: [lace] Bucks Point-Hallowell, Maine

[Karen Thompson]

I am not sure Jeri's pillow belonged to Mrs. Lakeman. There could have been
other lace makers in Hallowell. Moreover, Jeri's pillow from Hallowell is
much larger than any pillow I have seen from the era of the Ipswich lace
industry. The prickings I have seen from the late 1700s at the Ipswich
Museum are about 30 in or 77 cm long to fit around the Ipswich bolster
pillow. See
http://americanhistory.si.edu/collections/search/object/nmah_645070 or the
last object on the webpage for the Smithsonian lace collection.
-Karen



On Sat, Dec 9, 2017 at 3:42 PM, DevonThein  wrote:

> Not to argue with the general premise that Mrs. Lakeman was entitled to
> make point ground on a Ipswich pillow. But she must have had two pillows
> because Jeri acquired hers in Hallowell, Maine. Inquiring minds want to
> know more about this. It can’t be a co-incidence.
>
> Devon
>
>
>
>
>

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RE: [lace] Bucks Point-Hallowell, Maine

[DevonThein]

Not to argue with the general premise that Mrs. Lakeman was entitled to make
point ground on a Ipswich pillow. But she must have had two pillows because
Jeri acquired hers in Hallowell, Maine. Inquiring minds want to know more
about this. It can’t be a co-incidence.
Devon

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[lace] Smithsonian Ipswich lace pillow

[Karen Thompson]

Hi Susan,
The white lace on the Smithsonian Ipswich pillow is a simple point ground
lace made about 70 years after the Ipswich lace industry.  Moreover, as
Adele pointed out, the Ipswich lace makers made white linen laces in the
late 1700s. We don't have samples, so we don't know what kind it was. The
lace on the pillow is made with cotton thread, which was not commonly used
for lace until the 1830s after gassing (burning off the fuzz of spun cotton
thread) became common. This was well after the Ipswich lace industry had
lost out to machine made laces.
-Karen

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[lace] Bucks Point

[Karen Thompson]

To get back to point ground: When was point ground c-t-t-t or t-t-t-c first
used in England, France, or other places? There seems to be mention of it
in the last quarter of the 18th century, but so far I have not been able to
pinpoint an even approximate date from a reliable source.  (I am not where
my books are at the moment, so cannot cite exact sources, but know I tried
in Santina Levey's Lace - A History as well as other reference books).

There has been some confusion about point ground and Ipswich. They are
really two separate issues, as Ipswich (MA) lace from the late 1700s in not
a point ground lace. The confusion has arisen from the fact that a
lacemaker (Mrs. Lakeman) made point ground lace on an old Ipswich pillow.
She might not have had the luxury of owning two pillows, and there is no
reason why a bolster pillow cannot be used for point ground. She might
still have been making lace to sell after she was married, so she would
have changed to a pattern that would be in demand at that time, such as
point ground lace. Moreover at the age of 90, her eyesight might not have
been good enough to work the more complicated patterns she had worked
earlier in her life.
Karen - in snowy Delaware this weekend

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Re: [lace] Ipswich, MA lace - silk vs. linen

[Jeri Ames]

It is explained in one of the Ipswich lace books that Elizabeth Lord Lakeman
was 95 when she died, and that she was probably making white linen lace
because that was what she could see.  It would have been useful to sew it to
the edges of linen clothes and household linens, to extend their lives.  When
shabby, a new length of lace would replace the original.  Textiles were
recycled and cut down for smaller people until there was very little left,
because of the intensive manual labor involved in making woven textiles.  It
should be noted that in the kit of Lakeman's lace supplies donated to The
Smithsonian was a wide pricking for making black silk lace.  This is evidence
she could make either, when she was young.
 
Sometimes many of us need to answer questions from the public that require a
basic knowledge of history in order to put lace history in context.
 
Jeri Ames in Maine USA
Lace and Embroidery Resource Center
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 Karen was very generous to let me use photos of her Ipswich, MA lace samples
in our library exhibit earlier this year. They were positioned near samples
made by Chris Guarnieri from Karen’s book & they made a nice display. My
question? Why is the Smithsonian Ipswich lace white? From previous discussions
that I recall, Ipswich is black—help! Susan Hottle USA

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Re: [lace] Ipswich, MA lace

[Susan]

Thank you Gon & Adele!  Not an Ipswich-er myself so I hadn’t delved into the 
finer points.  Always something new to learn on Arachne & it’s lucky that we 
have so many experts!  It could be interesting to work the same pattern in each 
thread to see if one is more effective or appealing than the other.  It could 
be like Liberty fabric or Hermes scarves.  Sometimes the design is fab but the 
color choice detracts from the overall effect.  Sincerely, Susan Hottle USA 

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Re: [lace] Ipswich lace

[Adele Shaak]

> But, isn’t the lace on the pillow at the Smithsonian, made by the 90 year
> old lacemaker in 1860, who had worked lace in the 1780s and 90s in Ipswich,
MA
> a point ground lace?

If I were making lace 70-odd years after I started, I hope I’d be making a
different pattern. ;-)

But honestly, doesn’t all this talk make you want to put Karen’s book on
your Christmas list?

Adele

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Re: [lace] Ipswich lace

[Adele Shaak]

I do hope that if I were making lace 70 years from now, I would not be making
the same pattern ;-)

Adele

> On Dec 9, 2017, at 11:19 AM, DevonThein  wrote:
>
> But, isn’t the lace on the pillow at the Smithsonian, made by the 90 year
> old lacemaker in 1860, who had worked lace in the 1780s and 90s in Ipswich,
MA
> a point ground lace?

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[lace] Re: Ipswich lace

[Karen Thompson]

Yes, there is a point ground lace on the Ipswich (Massachusetts) pillow at
the Smithsonian. It was being worked on by a 90+ year old lace maker in the
1860s. She had worked Ipswich lace during the late 1700s on the same lace
pillow while living in Ipswich, MA. Not surprisingly she was still using
the equipment she brought with her from Ipswich when she got married and
moved to Hallowell, Maine. It is hard to know where she got her point
ground pricking, but since point ground lace was very common in the 1860s
she could have received that pricking from anywhere. Or maybe she made it
herself from a snippet of lace? We don't know. I think the extra rows of
pinholes makes it possible to make the lace anywhere from 1 1/2 cm to 3 1/2
cm wide. Whether the lace maker used wirkiepin or sewing edge would not
make a difference on the pricking, just the number of bobbins she used.
Hope this helps.
-Karen
F
​rom Devon:​

On Sat, Dec 9, 2017 at 2:19 PM, DevonThein  wrote:

> Karen writes:
>
> Ipswich Massachusetts lace is NOT a point ground lace. From a distance it
> might look like it, but as it now has been pointed out, the grounds are
> Torchon variations and Kat stitch.  The only time point ground was used in
> the 22 samples we have from 1790 is as a filling in a motif.  You may want
> to see them in my book The Lace Samples From Ipswich, Massachusetts
> 1789-1790.  It is available through some lace dealers as well as Amazon
>
>
>
> But, isn’t the lace on the pillow at the Smithsonian, made by the 90 year
> old lacemaker in 1860, who had worked lace in the 1780s and 90s in Ipswich,
> MA a point ground lace? This conversation started out as a discussion of
> working point ground lace without pins, which this pillow appears to
> confirm. What are we looking at?
>
>
>
> Was the 90 year old lacemaker well into her dotage and essentially winging
> it, perhaps for a demonstration?
>
> I have been working the Running River and am planning to do it at the Bust
> Craftacular in Greenpoint, Brooklyn tomorrow. (Brooklyn Expo Center, 11-7.)
>  The Brooklyn Lace Guild will have a booth. I was thinking of trying out
> the idea of working pinless in the point ground. I share Lyn’s confusion
> about why there are two rows of pin holes that are not used. I, for one,
> think that the 90 year old lacemaker should have made the row that she used
> as her edge row a winkie pin row, and the row to the left of that her edge
> row. I think that the winkie pin (hope that is the right term for pinning
> to the side of the pair when returning to the edge)  would help to align
> the entire row.
>
> Devon
>
>
>
>
>
>

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[lace] Ipswich lace

[DevonThein]

Karen writes:
Ipswich Massachusetts lace is NOT a point ground lace. From a distance it
might look like it, but as it now has been pointed out, the grounds are
Torchon variations and Kat stitch.  The only time point ground was used in the
22 samples we have from 1790 is as a filling in a motif.  You may want to see
them in my book The Lace Samples From Ipswich, Massachusetts 1789-1790.  It is
available through some lace dealers as well as Amazon

But, isn’t the lace on the pillow at the Smithsonian, made by the 90 year
old lacemaker in 1860, who had worked lace in the 1780s and 90s in Ipswich, MA
a point ground lace? This conversation started out as a discussion of working
point ground lace without pins, which this pillow appears to confirm. What are
we looking at?

Was the 90 year old lacemaker well into her dotage and essentially winging it,
perhaps for a demonstration?
I have been working the Running River and am planning to do it at the Bust
Craftacular in Greenpoint, Brooklyn tomorrow. (Brooklyn Expo Center, 11-7.)
The Brooklyn Lace Guild will have a booth. I was thinking of trying out the
idea of working pinless in the point ground. I share Lyn’s confusion about
why there are two rows of pin holes that are not used. I, for one, think that
the 90 year old lacemaker should have made the row that she used as her edge
row a winkie pin row, and the row to the left of that her edge row. I think
that the winkie pin (hope that is the right term for pinning to the side of
the pair when returning to the edge)  would help to align the entire row.
Devon



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[lace] Ipswich lace

[Karen Thompson]

Maureen, Nancy and others,
Ipswich Massachusetts lace is NOT a point ground lace. From a distance it might 
look like it, but as it now has been pointed out, the grounds are Torchon 
variations and Kat stitch.  The only time point ground was used in the 22 
samples we have from 1790 is as a filling in a motif.  You may want to see them 
in my book The Lace Samples From Ipswich, Massachusetts 1789-1790.  It is 
available through some lace dealers as well as Amazon. 
Since I subscribe to the digest version I have not been able to respond 
immediately. My apologies.

-Karen

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[lace] Block pillow to cookie pillow

[lynrbailey]

"My email sends out an automatic  message. Arachne members,
please ignore it. I read your emails."Like most people, I have many pillows for 
lace.  My workhorse pillow is Ken Van Dieren's large block pillow,   
http://www.bobbinmaker.com/blockpillowkits.html (Satisfied customer, only) It 
is lightweight, economical, and versatile.  Problem is, when making free lace, 
which usually calls for a cookie pillow, using my block pillow gets corners 
into my tummy.  The blocks are 5.5 inches, about 13 cm, square.  I purchased an 
extra block, and made that one into a circle instead of a square.  I used a 
serrated knife for the job. The diameter of the circle is 5.5 inches. I covered 
it with the same cotton twill as the square blocks.  The round block fits into 
the block pillow. The bobbins spread out onto the square blocks of the pillow.  
The gap is no problem. There are many motifs needing a cookie pillow which are 
5.5 inches large or less.  The advantage is that I turn the block as needed.  
This keeps the pin box and tools all in the same place.!
   

I have been using this round block for a year, and find it very useful.  I also 
have a round which is 11 inches in diameter, that is I ordered a block the same 
size as 4 blocks square, and trimmed it into a circle.  I have not yet used it, 
however. I have saved the waste from cutting out the circle, and if that gap is 
too big, I'll use the waste to fill the gap slightly. 

Lyn from Lancaster, Pennsylvania, USA, where we are having the first snowfall 
of the season.  Sidewalks are wet, grass is white. We get snow virtually every 
year, so this is probably the first of many.  


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Re: [lace] Ipswich, MA lace

[Adele Shaak]

Hi Susan:

It’s explained in the book. They did make white lace in Ipswich (MA) - perhaps 
even a large amount of white lace - and the original samples sent to Alexander 
Hamilton comprised 22 samples in black silk and 14 samples in white linen. 
Unfortunately, the whereabouts of the page of white samples is not known. Only 
the page of black samples was found in the Library of Congress. The books that 
have been written about Ipswich lace are based on that page of samples, so 
they’re all black. (If anybody out there has a page of 14 samples of white 
linen lace pinned onto 18th-century paper, do let the Smithsonian know. But 
tell us first ;-)

Adele
West Vancouver, BC
(west coast of Canada)


> On Dec 9, 2017, at 8:46 AM, Susan  wrote:
> 
> Karen was very generous to let me use photos of her Ipswich, MA lace samples 
> in our library exhibit earlier this year.  They were positioned near samples 
> made by Chris Guarnieri from Karen’s book & they made a nice display.  My 
> question?  Why is the Smithsonian Ipswich lace white?  From previous 
> discussions that I recall, Ipswich is black—help!  Sincerely, Susan Hottle 
> USA 

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[lace] Christmas lace

[pamglew]

Thank you Janice for sharing your Christmas patterns, and reminding us of
the link to your website - I wish I had time to try the  candle triptych,
but I MUST put the beginner cat on our group's  "try it yourself" pillow
next season, since we already use several different fish patterns (including
Alex's - thank you too!)
 As one Brit ex-pat to another, I join with those who have expressed concern
and hope that the wild fires devastating CA will be halted and that our
sincere "holiday" wishes will not ring hollow for those impacted. It is
snowing outside as I write - I wish I could send our cold, moist winds to
your aid from London, Ontario.

Pam

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Re: [lace] How to make a white copy of a colored pricking

[Liz Roberts]

Thank you Sally for that wonderful suggestion! I would have never thought of 
that!


Liz in cold and sunny Missouri, USA


..."I lay the pricking I have over a white piece of paper,
and prick it carefully. (Because the dark pricking already has pinholes init, 
it takes extra care to be sure your white copy underneath has been fully 
pricked.)

Then I lay the white pricking on a photocopier, and *cover it with a piece of 
black paper.* Photocopiers all have white lids; now when I press Copy, the 
black shows through my pinholes and I have a pricking."

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Re: [lace] sharing.

[Diana Smith]

I’m afraid there are people in all area of collecting and crafting who are 
unwilling to ‘share’ - what’s mines mine and stays mine!

Both my husband and I are ardent collectors and researchers, he of local 
topography and me, of course, the history of the East Midlands lace industry, 
workers and tools. We have always shared our collections when requested but 
that willingness has not always been returned. My husband requested a copy of a 
rare local photograph the response was a refusal with the words “well if I give 
you a copy then there would be two..”!
Which meant that if that picture disappeared the image was lost - and as he did 
not make provision for his archive after his death the image has been lost to 
future generations researching the area.

Diana in Northamptonshire - where it is bitterly cold and we’re expecting snow.

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Re: [lace] How to make a white copy of a colored pricking

[Susan E Babbs]

On December 9, 2017, at 10:54 AM, Sally Jenkins  wrote:

Jeri has made a request that more lurkers come out of the shadows and share
what they know. An excellent suggestion, and just the push some of us
needed!

I don't think I "know lace experts who keep secrets" but I do know people
who haven't shared what they know - because they don't realize they know
something worth sharing!  At times I may fall into that category.  Oh - and
this is all without in any way considering myself an expert; I'm just me.

For that reason, I'll share something I've figured out. How to make a white
copy of a pricking when the only one you have is in blue, or green, or
gray, or tan. Or some other color. You want to lengthen it, or widen it, or
mark it, but photocopying isn't working satisfactorily, or you plan to use
a color of thread that won't show up well against the colored pricking you
have.

So here's what I do. I lay the pricking I have over a white piece of paper,
and prick it carefully. (Because the dark pricking already has pinholes in
it, it takes extra care to be sure your white copy underneath has been
fully pricked.)

Then I lay the white pricking on a photocopier, and *cover it with a piece
of black paper.* Photocopiers all have white lids; now when I press Copy,
the black shows through my pinholes and I have a pricking.

True, if there are other markings on the pattern, I have to add those
(first in pencil, then I go over them in ink). But if the end result is a
white clean pricking it's worth it to me.

I have a scanner on my computer, and I save my new pricking to the
computer, so that I will always be able to find it; and now I can print it
onto any color of cardstock I want to. (Another benefit of scanning is that
on my computer at least, I can print the pricking in a different size than
the original if I need to.)

Out of the lurking-shadows,
Sally in western Oregon, where all the trees are rimed in frost this morning

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[lace] More Rosaline

[Susan]

It has taken hours of Google Translate but I now have a better understanding of 
this charming lace.  I’ve been using three different books & Rosaline Perlee by 
Jan Geelen has been the most helpful so far even though it is written in Dutch. 
 There is a section on each motif & diagrams to show how they are connected 
like a puzzle within the pattern.  The Rosaline books will be returning to the 
IOLI library soon in case anyone else wants to borrow them.  Just a few sprigs 
would make a lovely gift, Christmas or otherwise!  Crazy Quilt gals could use 
the miniature roses individually or sprigs could be appliqued on many items.  
It was a lucky day when I stumbled upon a Rosaline book at Cornell Mann 
library!  Sincerely, Susan Hottle 

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[lace] How to make a white copy of a colored pricking

[Sally Jenkins]

Jeri has made a request that more lurkers come out of the shadows and share
what they know. An excellent suggestion, and just the push some of us
needed!

I don't think I "know lace experts who keep secrets" but I do know people
who haven't shared what they know - because they don't realize they know
something worth sharing!  At times I may fall into that category.  Oh - and
this is all without in any way considering myself an expert; I'm just me.

For that reason, I'll share something I've figured out. How to make a white
copy of a pricking when the only one you have is in blue, or green, or
gray, or tan. Or some other color. You want to lengthen it, or widen it, or
mark it, but photocopying isn't working satisfactorily, or you plan to use
a color of thread that won't show up well against the colored pricking you
have.

So here's what I do. I lay the pricking I have over a white piece of paper,
and prick it carefully. (Because the dark pricking already has pinholes in
it, it takes extra care to be sure your white copy underneath has been
fully pricked.)

Then I lay the white pricking on a photocopier, and *cover it with a piece
of black paper.* Photocopiers all have white lids; now when I press Copy,
the black shows through my pinholes and I have a pricking.

True, if there are other markings on the pattern, I have to add those
(first in pencil, then I go over them in ink). But if the end result is a
white clean pricking it's worth it to me.

I have a scanner on my computer, and I save my new pricking to the
computer, so that I will always be able to find it; and now I can print it
onto any color of cardstock I want to. (Another benefit of scanning is that
on my computer at least, I can print the pricking in a different size than
the original if I need to.)

Out of the lurking-shadows,
Sally in western Oregon, where all the trees are rimed in frost this morning

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[lace] Ipswich, MA lace

[Susan]

Karen was very generous to let me use photos of her Ipswich, MA lace samples in 
our library exhibit earlier this year.  They were positioned near samples made 
by Chris Guarnieri from Karen’s book & they made a nice display.  My question?  
Why is the Smithsonian Ipswich lace white?  From previous discussions that I 
recall, Ipswich is black—help!  Sincerely, Susan Hottle USA 

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[lace] Ipswich lace

[Adele Shaak]

I have Karen’s book, and the interesting thing is the Ipswich (MA) laces are 
*not* point ground laces. They look like it, I know, and I made that mistake 
myself when I first looked only at the pictures, but the samples use Torchon 
ground, Honeycomb ground, and Kat stitch ground. 

Adele
West Vancouver, BC
(west coast of Canada)

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Re: [lace] Ipswich lace

[Adele Shaak]

I have Karen’s book, and the interesting thing is the Ipswich (MA) laces are 
*not* point ground laces. They look like it, I know, and I made that mistake 
myself when I first looked only at the pictures, but the samples use Torchon 
ground, Honeycomb ground, and Kat stitch ground. 

Adele
West Vancouver, BC
(west coast of Canada)

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Re: [lace] Please Share Lace Experiences and Questions

[N.A. Neff]

One other thought: I'm finding some of the Arachne-like discussion is now
happening on Facebook, especially in the group Bobbin Lace Makers. I posted
there recently about working snowflakes/snowballs/peas in Binche, and the
post had a couple of photos with it. It is much easier (for me anyway) to
post photos on FB, and I don't have to go hunting for other people's
photos when they post (often unsuccessfully, and it takes time even if I do
find them). I'm not suggesting moving Arachne to FB--the archiving of
Arachne is too valuable, but that's one reason the list is quieter than it
used to be.

Nancy
Connecticut, USA

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Re: [lace] Ipswich lace

[Gon Homburg]

Hi Maureen and Nancy,

I thought that one of the characteristics of the Ipswich MA lace is the often 
different angle of the grid in the ground and in the motifs. The angle in the 
ground is 66° or 52° and in the motifs often 45°. Karen Thompson says the same 
thing in her book The Lace Samples from Ipswich Massachusetts. We also 
discovered that reconstructing some samples for the book of Maria Cotterell.

Happy lacing

Gon Homburg from a rainy and cold Amsterdam, The Netherlands



> Op 9 dec. 2017, om 12:06 heeft Maureen  het 
> volgende geschreven:
> 
> Hi Nancy
> 
> Thank you.  I have just googled Ipswich MA lace and it does look very
> similar to Bucks Point.  I think I need to see a book to compare.  
> 
> 
> HI Maureen
> 
> Beyond the trivial answer (the difference is where they were made), I don't
> know for sure. The Ipswich MA lace is point ground, but narrow and made of
> black silk, which is unusual in the UK point ground I think.
> 
> Karen Thompson (or her book) would be the authoritative source to answer
> your question, but I don't know if she's on Arachne. Maybe one of our
> experts can help us out here -- e.g. Devon?
> 
> Best I can do. I have her book on order but it's not here yet.
> 
> Nancy
> Connecticut, USA
> 
> Maureen 
> E Yorks UK
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Re: [lace] Ipswich lace

[Devon Thein]

I suppose you might say that the difference between lace made in Ipswich, MA 
and that made in Ipswich, England is that the Ipswich, MA handmade lace 
industry was the only handmade lace industry in the US, and thus quite an 
anomaly, whereas the Ipswich, England handmade lace industry was one of many, 
all very similar.

Devon

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RE: [lace] Ipswich lace

[Maureen]

Hi Nancy

Thank you.  I have just googled Ipswich MA lace and it does look very
similar to Bucks Point.  I think I need to see a book to compare.  


HI Maureen

Beyond the trivial answer (the difference is where they were made), I don't
know for sure. The Ipswich MA lace is point ground, but narrow and made of
black silk, which is unusual in the UK point ground I think.

Karen Thompson (or her book) would be the authoritative source to answer
your question, but I don't know if she's on Arachne. Maybe one of our
experts can help us out here -- e.g. Devon?

Best I can do. I have her book on order but it's not here yet.

Nancy
Connecticut, USA

Maureen 
E Yorks UK

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Re: [lace] Please Share Lace Experiences and Questions

[N.A. Neff]

I also agree with Catherine, but I think people are silent more often
because of diffidence, or not knowing what others want to know, or being
over-whelmed with what else they are doing. Why on earth would any of us
intentionally "keep secrets"?

The main thing is that we volunteer with information, answers, or even
opinions when a question is asked or a topic raised, and I think it's
really great the way this group does do this.

Nancy
Connecticut, USA

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Re: [lace] Ipswich lace

[N.A. Neff]

Hi Maureen,

Beyond the trivial answer (the difference is where they were made), I don't
know for sure. The Ipswich MA lace is point ground, but narrow and made of
black silk, which is unusual in the UK point ground I think.

Karen Thompson (or her book) would be the authoritative source to answer
your question, but I don't know if she's on Arachne. Maybe one of our
experts can help us out here -- e.g. Devon?

Best I can do. I have her book on order but it's not here yet.

Nancy
Connecticut, USA

On Sat, Dec 9, 2017 at 5:35 AM, Maureen  wrote:

> What is the difference between Ipswich lace UK and Ipswich Massachusetts
> please?

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RE: [lace] Ipswich lace

[Maureen]

Dear Nancy

What is the difference between Ipswich lace UK and Ipswich Massachusetts
please?  I am sure I should know, or at least know where to look but my main
computer often deletes part of an email, no matter who the service provider
is.


Hi Daphne,

Are you thinking Ipswich UK? We haven't been clear, but we're talking about
lace made in Ipswich Massachusetts.

Nancy
Connecticut, USA

Maureen
E Yorks UK

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RE: [lace] Please Share Lace Experiences and Questions

[Maureen]

I totally agree Catherine.

Maureen
E Yorks UK

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Re: [lace] Mechlin lace

[Alex Stillwell]

Hi Nancy

An interesting thought. Sorry, I cannot help, the reference I came across was
only to Mechlin. Since the areas in which the other laces were made are in
close proximity to the Mechlin area it is very possible that they had the same
attitude. Fortunately there are more prickings available for Valenciennes and
Binche.

Merry Christmas

Alex

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Re: [lace] Please Share Lace Experiences and Questions

[Catherine Barley]

I have always maintained that if one claims to be or advertises their services 
as a Tutor of whatever subject, one should be prepared to pass on ALL skills 
and knowledge, so that our craft may continue for the benefit of future 
generations.  We have been led to believe that lacemakers of the past often 
burnt their prickings etc so that others might not copy them, but of course 
they made lace for a living, whilst the majority of us make it for sheer 
pleasure and enjoyment and also sometimes find it to be challenging, so no 
reason whatsoever to keep some our skills a secret!  

Catherine Barley
UK

Catherine Barley Needlelace
www.catherinebarley.com

Original message
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Subject : [lace] Please Share Lace Experiences and Questions

We all know lace experts who keep secrets.
Jeri Ames in Maine USA
Lace and Embroidery Resource Center
 

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[lace] Santina Levy article

[Catherine Barley]

Good morning all
t's now 7.45am Saturday morning and I have finally found time to read the 
fascinating article about Santina Levy.  Thank you so much Jeri for all your 
postings on Arachne, which are always lengthy, well researched and full of 
valuable and interesting information.  I wish you all a wonderful Christmas and 
hope that you will be able to find a little 'me' time during the holiday break, 
to sit and indulge in a little lacemaking, be it bobbin lace, needlelace, 
tambour lace, knitted lace, tatting, crochet or whatever it is that you are 
currently working on. 
Catherine Barley from a very cold UK where we actually had snow yesterday!
Catherine Barley Needlelace
www.catherinebarley.com

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[lace] NT Santina Levy article

[phil powis]

https://www.nationaltrust.org.uk/features/art-and-collection-resources

Thankyou so much Jeri for the heads up and Amanda for the full link to this 
most worthwhile article.
I live in Australia but belong to the NT and have never managed to penetrate 
this deeply into the NT website before - a treasure trove, as you say Jeri.

Phil   in Maitland NSW

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[lace] Ipswich lace pillow

[Ann Humphreys]

Thank you Karen. That’s all I wanted to know. 
Ann
UK

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