[lace] Flanders
Hello! Flanders lace meshground is called five holes ground. Why this ground is called Rose ground in English? Does anyone know why? Stevie - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Flanders
Clay and other experts on continental laces I always thought that the reason Flanders is regarded as a necessary preliminary to Binche is the clothwork, not the ground. Flanders, Binche and Val all have similar ways of working the cloth parts, largely because of the two pairs entering at every pin problem. So I've been concentrating on Flanders learning pieces that will give me more experience solving these typical clothwork problems. What scares me about Binche is the wide expanses of cloth stitch with weird stuff happening inside the motifs. That is where I get lost. The grounds are easy. Even those ground/cloth junctions aren't really a problem. Every time I get lost it's when I fail to see which pair was supposed to be the weaver for that particular row. Or I get to the end of a row and find I have one more pair than I should, or one less. How did that get there? I'm getting better at it, but it is still a struggle. Oliver with the 18 fish hooks on his feet always comes and pokes me in the elbow when I'm right in the middle of figuring out where that pair was supposed to go. Lorelei - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
[lace] Flanders
Hi Everybody I just finished the Flanders piece I was telling you about, the one that was giving me so much trouble. I tried the "idiot board-ghost pillow" trick (used a yellow stickie to keep my place on the diagram) and that seemed to help. At least I did less unstitching and restitching on the last 1 1/2 sides. Now I just have to decide what to do next. I think I'll try an easy Flanders, to give myself a sort of reward for struggling with the "high bridge". See it at http://lynxlace.com/bbn%20newrevival.html Click on SEE NEWEST LACE just under the flower. I've been thinking of Vera Cockuyt's Pidgeon, or Swan's nest, or #34 from Rombach de Kievid, or maybe "Bridge" from Kumiko Nakazaki. Decisions, decisions. These all look pretty regular, with nothing much too taxing. Lorelei - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
[lace] Flanders booklet
 I would love to see this booklet. Lynn will you becoming to Ithaca Lace Event this year. Can you bring your booklet with you if you are coming? I know this year there will be a Flander's class which I have been thinking about taking for I would love to learn eventually how to do Binche.Wind To Thy Wings,SherryNew York, US of Americacelticdreamweave@yahoo.comhttp://celticdreamweaver.com/http://celticdr eamweave.blogspot.com/Nata 616 - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Flanders/Mechlin
Leonard and Devon I have said these things before, but this seems a good time to repeat. There is a lot of confusion about how to use the terms "Flanders lace" and Mechlin lace. From my study of laces at the Art Institute of Chicago, and from Santina Levey's LACE, I have learned that during the 18th century continuous straight laces with gimp were produced in Flanders and the town of Mechlin. (And continuous straight laces were made in the same area and the towns of Binche and Valenciennes, but without gimp. ) All these laces, with and without gimp, might use any one of several different grounds - 5 hole, Paris, small and large snowflakes. All had complex clothwork, where 2 pairs entered at each pin, unlike that later point ground laces and torchon, which have only 1 pair entering at each pin. Towards the end of that century the complex grounds tended to disappear and Mechlin ground became much more common. It continued to be used by preference into the early decades of the 19th century. All the complex grounds disappeared. Then laces, using designs much like the Mechlin laces, appeared, using point ground. And point ground laces were made throughout the remainder of the 19th century, in virtually all lace making areas in the world. Then towards the end of the 19th century, in an effort to revitalize the lace industry, various teachers and lace merchants began to explore the older laces and tried to reproduce them, but in simplified form. What we now know as Valenciennes ground became fairly common during this late period. And the old Flanders with 5 hole ground was re-examined and became what we now call Flanders. (But a question remains in my mind about what degree of simplification was also made standard in these new Flanders laces. Certainly expert designers and historians such as Erdmute Wesenberg and Ulrike Voelker are diagramming some of the most complex.) My own understanding of lace history has derived from my personal study at the museum, and through books I have read. But I readily acknowledge that it does not come through contact and discussion with other lace historians and collectors. I think part of the terminology problem is that collectors have a different set of terminology than what makes sense to lace makers/designers who are also historians. The solution to the terminology problem that I usually use is one based on description of how the lace is constructed, the techniques used, the structure of the lace. I would be interested to know who (what class of lace aficionados) uses the term Turnhout, and just exactly what structure/technique set they use it for. I seem to recall hearing it applied to a Paris ground lace, but I could be mistaken about that. Lorelei Halley - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Flanders footside
Hello All! Taking a break from Rosaline, I made a sample of Flanders ground & was delighted with my sneak peek! While the lace was resting, I unpinned the first inch & thought I hit the jackpot. Alas, my mistakes were revealed the next day—ugh. My Rosaline “circle of fishlets” wasn’t good enough to give to my neighbor so I decided to keep it & make the Flanders strip into a candle band instead. Except—what to do with white lace on a white candle? What about a ribbon underneath? Great idea, but have you shopped for ribbon lately? Egad—polyester is so squirrely, who can use this stuff? To get the correct color & width, I folded it in half, sewed it together three times & pressed the heck out of it. Still rumpled—G! I sewed the lace to the ribbon before whip stitching the whole thing onto the candle & covering the seam with hot glued fleurs de papier. It doesn’t look too bad & she was thrilled. Now here’s the question—the footside edge is do! uble stitch (CTCT) with an extra twist on the edge pair, pin under four. When I sewed it to the ribbon, it was difficult to “stitch in the ditch” between the edge pair & first passive pair while using the pinhole. Next time, I am tempted to put two extra twists on the edge pair to make it more firm & tidy. I used DMC 50 broder machine. Photos are posted to Flickr. Any suggestions from the experts? Many thanks for any advice! Sincerely, Susan Hottle USA Sent from my iPad - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Flanders question
Hello All! I am trying to resolve an issue while working Pale Blue Square in Flanderische Spitze by Barbara Corbet. Has anyone successfully worked this pattern? It’s cute as a button but I am off by two pins on the picot side & I have been unable to find my mistake, even after numbering the pinholes on the diagram. Before I cut if off, it would be helpful to know if it’s me (highly likely) or an anomaly in the pattern (highly unlikely, but possible). Many thanks for any suggestions. Sincerely, Susan Hottle USA Sent from my iPad - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Flanders question
Solved! Many thanks to all who wrote with help & suggestions regarding the Pale Blue Square In Flanderische Spitze. It turns out that in spite of all my pinhole counting, I failed to notice that the pinhole arrangement on the pricking did not match the arrangement on the diagram. Luckily, that fact did not escape the sharp eyes of a very experienced & helpful Arachnean! So—if you own this book, now is the moment to make a “note to self” that modifications will be needed when you work the corners on this pattern. It’s a cute piece so I’m glad a solution is available for future efforts. Hope this helps others who want to try Flanders. It’s a very nice book with pretty designs. Sincerely, Susan Hottle USA Sent from my iPad - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Flanders meshes
Hello Spiders I've finally got broadband up and running so have been surfing around without thinking about the 'phone bill! Mostly from some of the links on my own website, and I found Jo Falkink-Pol's Flanders mesh Generator. It's Flanders ground (cane-ground or rose-ground with just one pinhole in the middle of each block) and you can choose half stitch, cloth stitch, cloth & twist etc for each stitch sequence and the diagram updates itself to show the individual thread movements. Wonderful for drawing working diagrams. Do have a look at: http://www.xs4all.nl/~falkink/lace/grond-EN.html Brenda http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/paternoster/ - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Flanders lace
Dear all, I think many of you practice Flanders lace. The very old Flanders lace didn't have a gimp. Since when the gimp was introduced in the Flanders lace? Does anyone know exactly? Most laces started with the 5-holes meshground. Valenciennes and Mechlin used the 5-holes ground. Why Brussels lace didn't? Thank you already for answers. Stevie - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Flanders lace
Stevie Your question requires a long answer. Partly there is a problem of what the terms mean When modern lacemakers think of "Flanders" lace they usually think of the lace Ilske described in her email: a straight lace with 5 hole ground, gimp surrounds the cloth stitch motifs, 2 pairs enter the clothwork at each pin. And that does describe revival era Flanders lace (c. 1890-1920). However, if we go back to the 18th century it gets complicated. As I understand Santina Levey, she says that the 18th century laces called "Mechlin" have that name because that is the major city. But laces were made in all the villages around and in Flanders. So, for 18th century laces Flanders and Mechlin are 2 words for the same laces. These had gimp. But the ground used changed over time. In the early 1700s the laces could have had any of these grounds: 5 hole, Valenciennes, Paris, Mechlin, snowflakes, half stitch snowflakes (It is called 12 thread armure in older books.) As time went on most of the grounds ceased to be used, and 5 hole became more common. http://lynxlace.com/bobbinlace18th.html But then during the period 1790-1820 the laces changed in style considerably, and had short repeats near the edge, with substantial clear net between the motifs at the headside and the footside. The ground was often decorated with square tallies or small gimp motifs. The grounds used were either Mechlin ground or point ground. During the 19th century all those other complex grounds disappeared until the revival era, when new designs for the old style were created. http://lynxlace.com/bobbinlacenapoleonic.html Gimp seems to have been used at least from the 18th century. Some Pottenkant laces (mostly Antwerp 1600s) have gimp, some don't. Parallel with this were the straight laces without gimp. She says Valenciennes and Binche were 2 towns very close together, and she doubts that the laces made in those towns or near them differed in any significant way. So one could call them Val/Binche. The grounds used during the 1700s followed the same sequence as Mechlin/Flanders: early on 5 hole, Paris, Val, snowflakes, half stitch snowflakes were all used. But in this case Val ground is the one that persisted into the 19th century. As to why Brussels didn't use five hole ground, I could only offer a guess. In any part lace the focus is on the motifs, and you want the background to virtually disappear. Five hole ground is visually striking and would detract from the visual impact of the motifs. In the early 1700s the motifs were quite large, with very small gaps between them. The gaps were bridged by zigzag braids. Brussels laces from the 1700s, with grounds instead of braids, that I have seen, had either Mechlin/Brussels ground (similar except for the number of half stitches in the stack) or Val ground. Lorelei - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Flanders
My theory it resembles a rose stain glass window in old churches. D. From: "stevieni...@gmail.com" To: Lace Dg Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2013 5:26 AM Subject: [lace] Flanders Hello! Flanders lace meshground is called five holes ground. Why this ground is called Rose ground in English? Does anyone know why? Stevie - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/ - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Flanders Lace
Hi Debora Re, Flanders Lace there is a book called "Flanders Lace" a step by step guide , by Mary Niven contact me privately and I will let you know from whom you could possibly borow this book , if that may be of use to you. Hendrika Simcoe County Lacemakers Township of Springwater Ontario, Canada - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] Flanders
Although it no doubt makes me a figure of fun, I use a "ghost pillow" and put in a pin, not only at each of the pin holes, but frequently to mark when individual stitches have been worked. I am working on a piece of "Old Flanders" from Ulrike Lohr's class and there is absolutely no way I could do it without my ghost pillow. I often use regular size pins for non-confusing stitches, pins with big heads to mark where weavers have been left, also putting a hair clip on the weaver. Sometimes I put a big headed pin at the beginning and end of a row of cloth stitch. I use a big headed pin to trace back to where some pair I need is coming from, which frequently solves the working direction puzzle. When I stop, I put a very large decorative pin at the place where I should start up again. If there is an extremely critical waiting weaver that I am in fear of forgetting, I might put both a yellow big headed pin and a white big headed pin at that place, too. I realize this is pitiful and I never see other people doing it, but it works for me (most of the time). Devon In a message dated 12/3/2009 11:01:13 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, lhal...@bytemeusa.com writes: Clay and other experts on continental laces I always thought that the reason Flanders is regarded as a necessary preliminary to Binche is the clothwork, not the ground. Flanders, Binche and Val all have similar ways of working the cloth parts, largely because of the two pairs entering at every pin problem. So I've been concentrating on Flanders learning pieces that will give me more experience solving these typical clothwork problems. What scares me about Binche is the wide expanses of cloth stitch with weird stuff happening inside the motifs. That is where I get lost. The grounds are easy. Even those ground/cloth junctions aren't really a problem. Every time I get lost it's when I fail to see which pair was supposed to be the weaver for that particular row. Or I get to the end of a row and find I have one more pair than I should, or one less. How did that get there? I'm getting better at it, but it is still a struggle. Oliver with the 18 fish hooks on his feet always comes and pokes me in the elbow when I'm right in the middle of figuring out where that pair was supposed to go. Lorelei - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
[lace] Flanders/Binche
Here is a personal viewpoint. Don't be afraid to try a different kind of lace. What one person claims is 'hard' goes along just fine for another person. People have been known to not try something because it's been labeled 'hard' by someone else. Keep an open mind. You are probably capable of doing more than you think you can. I admit to being a rogue. I have had two classes in Binche but never completed one in Flanders (yet). I started one and got sick, so missed almost all the classes and can't really count it. I have some interesting Flanders patterns that I would like to work, someday. I guess I will be mainly self taught on this lace.Videos and books will be the teachers. The diagram in Binche shows where every pair goes. It takes persistence to read the diagram and transfer that to the pricking. A copy of the diagram set up to put pins in to mark the progress is an effective method of staying on track. I have also put a copy of the diagram in a plastic sleeve and used stick-on arrows to mark my progress. Temporary pins are always permitted, and using colored headed pins is a neat idea. Binche has a different approach than most other laces. The thread pathways are less restricted, and can move any which way. That's why a diagram is a must...and is followed from the start to the finish. There's no way (that I have found) to always predict where a pair will go next. Maybe I just enjoy something that's not routine. I find Binche stimulating. And...Remember, you belong to Arachne. If you try something and get stuck, there's probably someone out here who can guide you around the problem. You have 1000 resources to draw upon. We are blessed with access to a world of laces instead of just the one or two that our mother made. Make the most of it. Alice in Oregon -- clear and very cold. An Arctic front is over us this week with possible snow soon. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
[lace] Flanders Question
Gidday all, Has anyone made the piece called Circular Mat With Peas In The Round, on page 33/34 of Inge Theuerkauf's Tierisch Flandrisch ? If so can you tell me which method you used to join the end to the start ? I'm thinking of doing this piece, and looking at the photo and the working diagram it looks to me like the start & join have been done using the "normal" Torchon type method rather than the more European overlapping & sewing with a needle way. I would like to do it using the overlapping way but am wondering if it would work successfully ? Michelle Long an Aussie living in Richards Bay, South Africa Ian & Chelle Long +27 35 788 0777 - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Flanders beginner books
Can someone recommend a good beginner book that is on the market right now, for Flanders lace? I have the Mary Niven 'Flanders lace a step by step guide', but I find it rather lacking in instructions. There are a lot of historical notes, but not a lot of 'do this, and then do this' type of instructions. Like there is not really any explanation as to how to do the footside, or how to deal with the gimp on the head side. I have been watching the videos by Sally Schoenberg, but it is a bit of a nuisance to watch what she is doing, stop the dvd, try to do the step, not sure if you remember right, go back watch it again etc. It would be so much easier if I had a book with clear instructions. Like, don't tell me to 'practice the ground stitch' before starting any patterns without explaining exactly how to do the ground stitch and how it relates to the foot and head sides. I was going to start with the Chantilly lace, but found the instructions not that clear there either, so I decided I'd wait till August when I can meet up with Dianne who has taken a course from Lia, and she can help me. So I thought I'd try out Flanders, but seem to be running into the same problem, not enough instruction to learn it by yourself. I taught myself to do Bucks and Honiton from books, and had no trouble figuring out how to do it, but these ones leave me baffled. And it seems that books are disappearing off the market faster than I can afford to buy them. I had bought the first Syllabus of Binche a year or so ago, and wanted to get the next one, only to find that it is out of print, I found that Trillium lace still had the third one listed on their website, so i am hoping she still has a copy. Same goes for the Michael Giusiana ones, only book 3 is still in print. So I am hoping someone can recommend a good beginner book that actually tells you the steps and which stitches to use, and not just tell you to work the edge or work the picot, without even telling you how to get there from the ground stitches...The Niven book doesn't even tell you how many pairs to hang where to start In the meantime I guess I'll see if the Valenciennes book by Annick Staes is any good to get started. If not, I guess I'll have to stick to Bucks for the time beingjust thought I'd keep my interest going by trying something new, but I don't need the frustration of not understanding what is going on. *Marianne* Marianne Gallant m...@shaw.ca threadsnminis.blogspot.ca - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Flanders beginners books
Marianne I would recommend Barbara Corbet FLANDRISCHE SPITZE, 2011. It is in 2 languages -- German and English side by side in columns on each page. She has invented her own beginners' patterns which contain all the basic elements of Flanders. Her explanations appear quite good. As for Annick Staes' VALENCIENNES -- I have an awful time getting the ground to look right, without pins. But her explanation of how to tension the pairs and handle the braids immediately fixed my problem. Her suggestions about the ground really do work. Lorelei - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
RE: [lace] Flanders meshes
Yes, I agree completely!! I got to that link via the Arachne-7 stuff, and played for a long while on that generator! It's wonderful, and I've bookmarked it!! Much fun, and very illuminating even if you never make the grounds (for me... fat chance!!) Clay Clay Blackwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [Original Message] > From: Brenda Paternoster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: Lace list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 6/25/2004 6:44:38 PM > Subject: [lace] Flanders meshes > > Hello Spiders > > I've finally got broadband up and running so have been surfing around > without thinking about the 'phone bill! Mostly from some of the links > on my own website, and I found Jo Falkink-Pol's Flanders mesh > Generator. > > It's Flanders ground (cane-ground or rose-ground with just one pinhole > in the middle of each block) and you can choose half stitch, cloth > stitch, cloth & twist etc for each stitch sequence and the diagram > updates itself to show the individual thread movements. Wonderful for > drawing working diagrams. > > Do have a look at: > http://www.xs4all.nl/~falkink/lace/grond-EN.html > > > Brenda > http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/paternoster/ > > - > To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: > unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Flanders lace
After my notes a real Gimp around the motives in Flanders lace wasn't before mid or end 19th century. It was in reviving of a few the old laces named together as Flemish laces. Before that time was the whole stitch ring. Ilske - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Flanders lace books
Debora There are quite a few books out with Flanders patterns. Erdmute Wesenberg ALTE FLANDRISCHE SPITZEN 1998: reconstructions of old Flanders laces, mostly closely following the original. This next group are patterns by living designers. Some very new in feel, a few closely following the old style. Kumiko Nakazaki FLANDERS LACE A TO Z A few exercises (well designed) and several pretty floral pieces. Inge Theuerkauf TIERISCH FLANDRISCH 2001 Cat, hippopotamus, reindeer, lady bugs, birds, seagulls, butterfly and some plant designs. Sonia Vanoosterwijck VLAANDERSE KANT 1995 publ by Kantcentrum, it is aimed at bridging the gap between the learning patterns most people work from and the rather difficult advanced laces. Covers skill range from just past beginner to upper intermediate. I'm not sure which of these are still in print, I know Nakazaki is. There is also Ulrike Lohr's SCHNEEVERWEHT UND DURCHGEDREHT 1998. This is reconstructed Binche laces from very late 1600's thru mid 1700s, but quite a few have Flanders ground. All, except one, are very difficult.. I just drool and dream. Lorelei - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [lace] Flanders
I'm with you Devon. I use marker pins if necessary and I work with the diagram pinned to a 1 inch thick flat piece of polystyrene that I kept from packing in a box. I bound the edges that were rough with sticky backed tape so that the diagram sheet would not shed little balls of plastic. I'm having a senior moment and can't remember the name of the tape but it was used effectively by McGyver on tv. I also use the sticky arrows to keep my place marked on the diagram. I think it must have been quiet over the thanksgiving holiday. This last digest took two days to arrive from the first message to the last, but the previous one took a week of messages before it was relayed to us. I was getting mail about the CRB on lace chat which I get reflected but had no idea what it meant until I got this latest digest. Janice Janice Blair Crystal Lake, 50 miles northwest of Chicago, Illinois, USA www.jblace.com http://www.lacemakersofillinois.org - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
[lace] Flanders book (DP)
My guild are selling some books for a sick guild member and I am allowed to offer the following book to U.S. Arachne members. I know that it is probably still out of print and that some people have been searching for it. I have seen it listed at almost $70 on Amazon, here and even more in the UK. It is in good condition. Please email me, off the list, with your bid and I will make a decision where it can find a home by the 31st May. The buyer will pay the shipping and if you are the winner, I will check with the post office on costs before the transaction takes place. The book is. Flanders Lace - A step by step guide by Mary Niven Janice Janice Blair Crystal Lake, 50 miles northwest of Chicago, Illinois, USA www.jblace.com http://www.lacemakersofillinois.org - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
[lace] Flanders and translation
On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 18:39:21 -0500, Barb wrote: >Oh well, I have learned a little, passed it on to many (some who have become >much better laers than I) and am having so much fun. I want to get back to the >Flanders, as there is a cat pattern in that Niven book, that is darling. >(Boo-hoo no pic). Before you start that pattern, take a look at the Flanders cat in Tierisch Flandrisch by Inge Theuerkauf and decide which pattern you like better. You can see a picture of the cat pattern on my website at: http://www.sandbenders.demon.co.uk/bobbinlace/tierisch.htm I have to declare an interest here: I am Inge's translator from German into English, so of course I'd like you to buy her book. The more sales she makes in English speaking countries then the more likely she is to continue translating future books. If one German lace author gets extra sales by using English then it's more likely that other German authors will get their books translated too. -- Definition of Terror: A female Klingon with PMS. Steph Peters, Manchester, England [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Flanders Question
I don't know that I've made this exact Flanders pattern, but I've used the overlap method of joining several Flanders pieces and have been please with those results every time. Much neater than a "Torchon" join--nearly invisible. Carole Dublin, OH USA [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Flanders Question
On Thu, 30 Oct 2003 13:20:12 +0200, Michelle wrote: >Has anyone made the piece called Circular Mat With Peas In The Round, on >page 33/34 of Inge Theuerkauf's Tierisch Flandrisch ? > >If so can you tell me which method you used to join the end to the start ? > >I'm thinking of doing this piece, and looking at the photo and the working >diagram it looks to me like the start & join have been done using the >"normal" Torchon type method rather than the more European overlapping & >sewing with a needle way. I would like to do it using the overlapping way >but am wondering if it would work successfully ? I haven't done this particular piece. However, having discussed the pieces in the book with Inge, and worked other Flanders pieces under her tuition, I can say that it was almost certainly done using the techniques in Ulrike Loehr's book The Beginning of the End. The techniques include diverting pairs to suitable places for joins and tying off using bundles on the reverse. Any Flanders piece can be joined in this way, or in the overlapping way. With a bit of thought about how to start I find that I get much better results by using Ulrike Loehr's methods than I did with overlapping. So I recommend that you buy this book if you don't have it already and give this method a try - do a couple of test samples of Flanders ground and join them first to give you some confidence before starting the real piece. -- Self-respect: The secure feeling that no one, as yet, is suspicious. Henry Louis Mencken Steph Peters, Manchester, England [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Flanders Picture Uploaded
Gidday all and a very Merry Christmas, I have just put a new picture in my album on the Webshots site - a Flanders edging I made in December. It took about 40 hours to make I think. You can see in the photo quite obviously where my join line is, but actually in real life it isn't that obvious - I think scanners are a bit too clever sometimes, showing up all my faults! I made it over 3 weeks, working on almost nothing else, as my DH was away on business so I had a lot of spare time, and I am very pleased with the result as it is the first complete piece of Flanders I've ever done. It is from a book but I cannot remember the title sorry. Enjoy, and I hope you all got great presents from Father Christmas! Michelle Long an Aussie living in Richards Bay, South Africa, but going to the airport in 3 hours time to fly home to Melbourne for a holiday, hooray. Ian & Chelle Long +27 35 788 0777 - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Flanders beginner books
On 6 Jul 2015, at 04:24, Marianne Gallant wrote: > Can someone recommend a good beginner book that is on the market right > now, for Flanders lace? I don’t know of a book that is available now but I learnt the basics of Flanders Lace from Creative Lace Patterns by Valerie Paton which was published by Dryad in 1987. Valerie Paton was living in Scotland then but had learnt her lacemaking in Belgium. The book also included the basics of Russian, Bruges Flower, and Torchon lace. It doesn’t have a lot of patterns but the illustrations - lace, prickings and diagrams - are clear and the instructions look detailed (I don’t remember having any problems with them). The book is available second-hand at a sensible price - the Lace Guild’s second-hand book list (https://www.laceguild.org/suppliers/books.html) shows 3 copies at £2 but they might have gone by now. You can also get it from various second-hand book sellers via Amazon. Jean in grey, damp Glasgow - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Flanders beginner books
"My email sends out an automatic message. Arachne members, please ignore it. I read your emails."Dear Marianne, I don't know if this will be suitable, but the book Flanders Lace by Barbara Corbet may be suitable. It is being sold by Holly Van Sciver, http://vansciverbobbinlace.com and I found it very useful. It is in English and German. In the front are pictures of the actual stitches, close up so you can see each fiber of each thread. The learning piece is the house on the cover, which starts with plain ground stitches. It uses diagrams, and that is, for me at least, wonderful, as I knew from the diagrams exactly what I needed to do. I has a flat start, which is completely explained, as are the number of bobbins, and what to do. Without going back to it, I do not remember how 'wordy' it is, but the pictures and illustrations tell it all. It is not cheap, but you will learn Flanders, and it is in print. I used Aurifil 50 which equates to Egyptian cotton 60 and was very pleased with the whole thing. I learned all sorts of things. Lyn in Lancaster, PA, USA where it is not sunny, but warm and humid nonetheless. A good day for iced cappucino and lace making. "My email sends out an automatic message. Arachne members, please ignore it. I read your emails." Mariannne Gallant wrote: > >Can someone recommend a good beginner book that is on the market right >now, for Flanders lace? I have the Mary Niven 'Flanders lace a step by >step guide', but I find it rather lacking in instructions. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Flanders beginner books
There is a book on Flanders by Barbara Corbet. I believe Holly carries it. Clay >> On 6 Jul 2015, at 04:24, Marianne Gallant wrote: >> >> Can someone recommend a good beginner book that is on the market right >> now, for Flanders lace? > > - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] flanders or not flanders?
Yes, well, the difference in opinions just shows you that for people to say "it's not" is hogwash!! OK, I wouldn't suggest doing your own thing if you are making patterns for an exam, I suppose in that case you'd better stick to traditional ways, but why not experiment? How did that "well-known" lacemaker thinks that Flanders as it was in the 18th century got to there? By magic? One puff of smoke and it was invented "shod and dressed"? I'm sure Flanders as we know it has evolved over the centuries, as have Valenciennes, Honiton, etc, etc..., as we can see through pictures of lace from different periods. Why should progress have stopped at 1789, or 1858, or whatever? As several people have pointed out before, lacemkaers were clever people who always latched onto a better way of doing things, if they learnt about it. If you want to pacify the "traditionalists, call it "modern Flanders", but it you feel it is basically Flanders, by all means, call it Flanders instead of inventing a name... If they could make Valenciennes in Spain, and Point de Paris in England, why should we bother? Keep inventing, dear Tamara, and don't trash if it lokks good! Modern lacemaking depends on people like you and our other wonderful creative designers to avoid sinking into stagnation and dying at last! Helene, the froggy from Melbourne Tamara wrote: >As to "how could it be wrong?" bit... Once upon a time, a designed an edging, in what I fondly thought of as "Flanders" (Butterflies and Lilies, on my website), even if it had some "modern tricks" in it. It had been viewed by two Flanders/Binche teachers of renown and "status". One said it was great, though the picots had been drawn wrong on the diagram. The other said it was pretty, but I'd have to invent a different name for it, because it just wasn't "real Flanders" - those "modern innovations" didn't fit within the parameters laid down by "Flanders" lace... Half of me may be a "dumb Polack", but the other half is a "clever Jew", so I only need to get "burned" once, to withdraw into my shell in dismay (it's the "dumb Polack" part which insists on popping back up ). Now, if I think of publishing a pattern, I check and re-check, and re-check again. And, maybe, trash it altogether... :) Though I feel vindicated as to that particular pattern; by whatever name, it's popular :) I just recently had a request for it from someone (in Germany) who says she had pushed herself to learn Flanders because of it as a goal. Now she's reached the stage where she feels able to tackle it, and it's like a Christmas in July for me... :) Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Flanders, Binche and Preparation
Once upon a time, I signed up for a Flanders/ Binche class with Anny Noben-Slegers. Lacking any preparation for either class, I imagined I would be exploring Flanders. I had a conversation with Anny that didn't seem that spectacular to me and she decided I should just try the Binche. So I did. The only real gaffe I made was to miss making the "cross only" connection to make the bolletjes really round. The pattern was pretty geometric (after all, enough is enough!) But it had that famous CTCT , CT ground (regularly irregular). So another skip in my lace history. I never really made Torchon and gave up on Beds until I took the "Beginning of the End" class with Ulrike. THEN I felt like I could actually finish a piece that didn't look like an eyesore. This little aside is to offer the opinion that the path you take through any series of laces depends a lot more on your needs than any given progression. After all, it is only modern hobby laceamkers that have ever in the history of lace even tried more than a few closely related types of lace. I think we should all take a bow for our interest and willingness to try enjoying a lot of different laces. Personally, my choices are mostly determined by what sings to me. Patty - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: Subject: Re: [lace] Flanders
Hi Janice and everyone Duct tape? At Sally's Binche workshop this summer (at IOLI) I learned to colour in sections of my diagram-copy with the colours of the Belgian code, as approriate. V. helpful as an aide memoire. At home now I colour in the pricking as well (I need all the aide memoire I can get :p ) I use what someone called a voodoo board to pin where I am, the diagram-copy on a piece of styro, or if the styro isn't available, I just pin into a double layer of paper and *as well* I use Clay's tip of removeable arrows in several colours to locate where I need to be at a given section. The thing about Binche and Flanders in the areas of motif, is the passive can become weaver any place necessary to help fill the space; an outline thread helps define or perhaps corral is a better word, corral the passive/weaver movements within the shape. For Lorelei - there are areas of a given pattern that repeat a pathway to fill in a shape, but we don't have stitch distinctions for the cloth stitch areas as such, you just use what works to fill in the space and have the pairs entering and leaving in a logical manner to the lace as a whole, for any given pattern. To learn Binche is to dive right in, eyes to the diagram :D On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 10:41 AM, Janice Blair wrote: > I'm with you Devon. I use marker pins if necessary and I work with the > diagram pinned to a 1 inch thick flat piece of polystyrene that I kept from > packing in a box. I bound the edges that were rough with sticky backed tape > so that the diagram sheet would not shed little balls of plastic. I'm having > a senior moment and can't remember the name of the tape but it was used > effectively by McGyver on tv. I also use the sticky arrows to keep my place > marked on the diagram. > > -- Bev in Shirley BC, near Sooke on beautiful Vancouver Island, west coast of Canada - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
[lace] Flanders books on ebay...
I'm being a pest today, I'm afraid! But this is my last posting for the day, I promise!! There are TWO listings for Mary Nivens' original book on Flanders (one of the best, IMO) and they're going begging at this point. Both auctions end within the next two or three days. I realize that this book has been re-released, but for 3 pounds you could get the hardback!! If you've ever thought about getting the Niven book, this is a good time. (No connection whatsoever to the seller (sellers?), but I know it's a good book!) Clay Clay Blackwell Lynchburg, VA - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Flanders book on ebay
Clay wrote: It appears that one of the prickings is missing in the hardback (might only be one edition) - so my lace teacher and another member of the class say. So when I got my softback, they photocopied the relevant page to make their hardback complete. Can't remember the page number though. Jean in Poole - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Flanders and translation
Oh Steph...thank you, I think ;-). More decisions...and I thought that I knew just what I wanted to do. l will look into this book. It is about time that I bought a new lace book, It has been a while. I find this list full of the *most* interesting people Every day I learn something new..Wonderful Thanks, all BarbE snip... From: Steph Peters To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 3:18 PM Subject: [lace] Flanders and translation Before you start that pattern, take a look at the Flanders cat in Tierisch Flandrisch by Inge Theuerkauf and decide which pattern you like better. You can see a picture of the cat pattern on my website at: http://www.sandbenders.demon.co.uk/bobbinlace/tierisch.htm I - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Flanders Edging with cats, photo
Dear lacers, I receive the Arachne list in digest format and saw several posts about an edging with cats. One person said there was a working diagram but no photo. There is a photo of this, worked by the late Bart Elwell of Tulsa, Oklahoma, here: http://lacemakersoklahoma.weebly.com/photos.html As a side note, let me say I am grateful to Mary Niven, the designer, for calling me out (scolding me gently) when I, as the webmaster for the above website, failed initially to label the photo with the name of the pattern designer. All of us who post photos in public places should try to credit the pattern designers when possible. (Speaking to self!) I hope the photo will help those who want to make this pretty edging! Sally in western Oregon, where we are in a brief warm respite before the next freeze - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Flanders example from "Het Lassen"
Hello everyone I have uploaded to Flikr two photos of a Flanders edging I made from "Het Lassen" . They are in the Photostream section also. Although of a circular edging, I hope they compliment Bobbi's diagram - the lace beginning and end were done exactly as she describes. The hand-sewing part I haven't done yet but would follow the ground outside the ringed motif, and stitch as shown in Bobbi's second diagram. If I recall correctly, this pattern and one other round edging are in the "Het Lassen" publication. After learning how, I decided to pass it along - if someone can confirm that Het Lassen is the pattern source, that would be great. -- Bev in Shirley BC, near Sooke on beautiful Vancouver Island, west coast of Canada - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Flanders Lace Book - Mary Niven
Yesterday I saw 2 paperback copies of Mary Niven's Book in one of our book stores. These look to be the 2003 Batsford/Chrysalis reprint. Is anyone interested in these? If so, I will buy them and post them on in return for other items. (With reservations - I have never received any item that has been promised, or exchange item, from overseas; possibly the postal services are to blame?) Please let me know ASAP so that I can purchase the books before anyone else gets to them. Cost, including postage, would be around: UK: 10 pounds Sterling US: 21 dollars Canada: 22 dollars Australia: 24 Australian dollars Europe: 15 Euros Barbara George Cape Town, South Africa Read our disclaimer at: http://www.picknpay.co.za/pnp/view/pnp/en/page5093? If you don't have web access, the disclaimer can be mailed to you on request. Disclaimer requests to be sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Flanders piece and its pattern
gentle spiders, I recently was looking at Ilske's lace pix on Lorelei's web page. I noticed a beautiful Flanders piece labeled 504 hd. I have contacted Lorelei and while she can identify the lacer as Huguette Deraedt. Lorelei does not know the origin of the piece or its pattern. Do any of you on arachne know the origin of this piece? or a similar one. I would really like to try it. Lorri Ferguson - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
[lace] Flanders Lace by Mary Niven
After an exchange with Clay, it seems that one of the *hardback* editions of "Flanders Lace" by Mary Niven has the pricking missing just under the photograph and technical drawing on page 89. Jean in Poole - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Flanders lace - Mary Niven book
I just checked the RMLG Library copy, and the pricking is actually on p91 in our copy. There are 3 pages of pictures and diagrams. Cheers, Helen, Aussie in Denver Librarian, Rocky Mountain Lace Guild - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Flanders or Binche cat pattern
Hello, The book is Flanders Lace by Mary Niven. Batsford editor I ever made this lace. Sof from France with snow Le 08/01/2017 à 18:26, celticdreamweave a écrit : I have a pattern for an edging that I have had for years. The edging has cats. I don't know where the pattern came from. The page number is 96. The pattern XXIX. Takes 56 pairs. It says ( see diagram 64 for working diagram ). I would love to have the working diagram but I don't where to find it. This pattern was published at least 16 years ago if not longer. I hope someone can find it for me or knows where the pattern came from.Thank you!Sherry Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone - - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
RE: [lace] Flanders or Binche cat pattern
Hi Sherri andFellow Arachnids, The book it is from is Flanders Lace by Mary Niven. (Publisher, Dryads Press Ltd), ISBN 0-85219-691-1. It is the only pattern in the book that has a working diagram but no photograph. I worked the cats about 20 years ago and it is not an easy pattern. If you have done a fair amount of Flanders then give it a whirl, but if you have not done much Flanders try something a little easier first. The tensioning requires great care (do not over-tension) especially in the large areas of cloth stitch in the cats themselves. Hope that helps. Happy lace making, Joepie. To: celticdreamweave<mailto:celticdreamwe...@yahoo.com>; lace@arachne.com<mailto:lace@arachne.com> Subject: Re: [lace] Flanders or Binche cat pattern > > > I have a pattern for an edging that I have had for years. The edging has > cats. I don't know where the pattern came from. The page number is 96. The > pattern XXIX. Takes 56 pairs. It says ( see diagram 64 for working diagram ). > I would love to have the working diagram but I don't where to find it. This > pattern was published at least 16 years ago if not longer. I hope someone can > find it for me or knows where the pattern came from.Thank you!Sherry > > Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone > - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
RE: [lace] Flanders Edging with cats, photo
Hi fellow Arachnids, Although I agree with Sally on several points, I.e. that Mary Niven did a wonderful job of designing as well as providing us with a useful book at a time when there were not as many books available as there are now. Also, that we should always acknowledge designers and makers by name. However, this is a photo on the net and not in the book near the pricking and working diagram where it needs to be. I think it is the only pattern in the book that lacks a photo. Otherwise the book is an excellent resource for patterns in Flanders lace where the pricking, working diagram and photograph are kept as close as is possible within the constraints of the book format. Joepie, East Sussex, UK From: Sally Jenkins<mailto:dansing...@gmail.com> Sent: 11 January 2017 19:50 To: lace@arachne.com<mailto:lace@arachne.com> Subject: [lace] Flanders Edging with cats, photo Dear lacers, I receive the Arachne list in digest format and saw several posts about an edging with cats. One person said there was a working diagram but no photo. There is a photo of this, worked by the late Bart Elwell of Tulsa, Oklahoma, here: http://lacemakersoklahoma.weebly.com/photos.html As a side note, let me say I am grateful to Mary Niven, the designer, for calling me out (scolding me gently) when I, as the webmaster for the above website, failed initially to label the photo with the name of the pattern designer. All of us who post photos in public places should try to credit the pattern designers when possible. (Speaking to self!) I hope the photo will help those who want to make this pretty edging! Sally in western Oregon, where we are in a brief warm respite before the next freeze - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Flanders piece and its pattern
Annick Staes pattern? sorry, I don't have my copies of her patterns here--I'm not even sure I've remembered the correct spelling of her name, but the design looks like it could be hers. Maybe it's a lead... Nancy Connecticut, USA From: Lorri Ferguson To: lace arachne Sent: Mon, May 9, 2011 9:42:39 PM Subject: [lace] Flanders piece and its pattern gentle spiders, I recently was looking at Ilske's lace pix on Lorelei's web page. I noticed a beautiful Flanders piece labeled 504 hd. I have contacted Lorelei and while she can identify the lacer as Huguette Deraedt. Lorelei does not know the origin of the piece or its pattern. Do any of you on arachne know the origin of this piece? or a similar one. I would really like to try it. Lorri Ferguson - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003 - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
Re: [lace] Flanders Lace by Mary Niven
Hi Mary ! Both Jean and I have copies of the book with the pricking. So if someone is in UK, they can get it from Jean... Mary, I'll be happy to send you a copy! (And to anyone else in US whose copy of the book is missing the pricking...) Clay - Original Message - From: "Mary L. Tod" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Jean Nathan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 2:40 PM Subject: Re: [lace] Flanders Lace by Mary Niven > >After an exchange with Clay, it seems that one of the *hardback* editions of > >"Flanders Lace" by Mary Niven has the pricking missing just under the > >photograph and technical drawing on page 89. > > > >Jean in Poole > > Hi Jean, > > That would be the version of the book that I have. Do you or Clay > have the version that has the pricking? It would be easiest if I > found someone in the USA who has it and could send me a copy -- I'm > definitely interested in finding a copy of it somewhere. > > Thanks, > Mary - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Flanders Lace by Mary Niven
I have checked my book and it is missing that pricking. How does it compare in size with the next one. I realize the centers are a little different but wondered if the overall size is the same. It wouldn't be too difficult to create the center of the pricking. Lorri - Original Message - From: "Clay Blackwell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 12:36 PM Subject: Re: [lace] Flanders Lace by Mary Niven > Hi Mary ! > > Both Jean and I have copies of the book with the pricking. > So if someone is in UK, they can get it from Jean... Mary, > I'll be happy to send you a copy! (And to anyone else in > US whose copy of the book is missing the pricking...) > > Clay > > - Original Message - > From: "Mary L. Tod" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Jean Nathan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 2:40 PM > Subject: Re: [lace] Flanders Lace by Mary Niven > > > > >After an exchange with Clay, it seems that one of the > *hardback* editions of > > >"Flanders Lace" by Mary Niven has the pricking missing > just under the > > >photograph and technical drawing on page 89. > > > > > >Jean in Poole > > > > Hi Jean, > > > > That would be the version of the book that I have. Do you > or Clay > > have the version that has the pricking? It would be > easiest if I > > found someone in the USA who has it and could send me a > copy -- I'm > > definitely interested in finding a copy of it somewhere. > > > > Thanks, > > Mary > > - > To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: > unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [lace] Flanders I and II by Kumiko Nakazaki
Hello Sherry Have you tried the Belgian Kantcentrum? Website is: kantcentrum.eu They have some of her books. One is titled "Paris Lace" Also:abebooks.co.uk has Memoire II Roseground.com has " Birds and Flowers" - "Christmas" by Kumiko - "Paris Lace" I have a couple of her books, but are not going to part with them, sorry. Agnes Boddington - UK -Original Message- From: owner-l...@arachne.com [mailto:owner-l...@arachne.com] On Behalf Of Celtic Dream Weaver Sent: 30 April 2017 15:29 To: Arachne Reply Subject: [lace] Flanders I and II by Kumiko Nakazaki B B I know these pattern packs are out of print but I would really love to have both. I am willing to pay alot of money for them if you have them and they are just sitting around on your bookshelves not being used. I am also interested in buying other pattern packs by Kumiko. Please contact me off list celticdreamwe...@yahoo.com B if you have any of her pattern packs that you are willing to sell to me. I love her designs and I want to make some of them. Willing to pay...hope someone can sell me some. I do have Pay Pal.Sherry in New York Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/ - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
