RE: [lace] Pronounciation of lacis
Who'd have thought there'd be so many different ways of pronouncing 5 little letters!My email of yesterday went through with a section missing, so I'll try again, with a comment on lexicalization: I've just checked in the Shorter Oxford Dictionary (which isn't that short!): it gives only the French pronunciation - lass-ee, with the final s silent, though the word has been in use in English since the 16th century, so it ought to be naturalised by now. It also gives a second meaning: in anatomy it is used for a particular network of cells around the kidneys - so now you know! Bridget, in Pinner, North London - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003/albums/most-recent
Re: [lace] Pronounciation of lacis
I say LACE-iss to refer to the store/publisher in California, and la CEASE to refer to any other usage of the word, because that's how I learned it. I go by the theory that as long as people know what you're talking about, the pronounciation is OK. It's easy to see there is no English Academy in the spirit of the Academie Francaise. Adele North Vancouver, BC (west coast of Canada) As the pirate said, ...more what you'd call *guidelines* than actual * rules*. All of which is to say, there really don't seem to be rules so much as suggestions in English... By the same guidelines, lacis being filet lace, I pronounce filet as fill-ay. I say lacis as lace-iss so it is clear I'm not meaning 'lacy' (even though lacis is 'lacy' oh ha ha). - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003/albums/most-recent
Re: [lace] Pronounciation of lacis
Another comparison I thought of, Paris Pæris, or Pa'ri Suits me for La'cis or La'ci :) On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 8:38 AM, bev walker walker.b...@gmail.com wrote: As the pirate said, ...more what you'd call *guidelines* than actual * rules*. By the same guidelines, lacis being filet lace, I pronounce filet as fill-ay. I say lacis as lace-iss so it is clear I'm not meaning 'lacy' (even though lacis is 'lacy' oh ha ha). -- Bev in Shirley BC, near Sooke on beautiful Vancouver Island, west coast of Canada -- Bev in Shirley BC, near Sooke on beautiful Vancouver Island, west coast of Canada - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003/albums/most-recent
Re: [lace] Pronounciation of lacis
Which brings us to. . .don't ever criticize a person for the way he pronounces a word. He probably knows what it means. ! Dnia 24-02-2012 o godz. 18:03 Adele Shaak napisał(a): I say LACE-iss to refer to the store/publisher in California, and la CEASE to refer to any other usage of the word, because that's how I learned it. etc - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003/albums/most-recent
RE: [lace] Pronounciation of lacis
I speak UK English, so this may not be the majority opinion G. I'd say the LA part the same as I'd say what hens do with eggs: hens LAY eggs. And the rest, the CIS part, I'd say the same as I'd say the first part of SISter. So: LAY-SIS. But, as I say, this may not be how everyone else pronounces Lacis. Interested to hear other replies, Margery. margerybu...@o2.co.uk in North Herts, UK -Original Message- From: stevieni...@gmail.com Dear all, As English is not my first language and I would like to be sure, I would like to consult this list on the pronounciation of lacis. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003/albums/most-recent
Re: [lace] Pronounciation of lacis
I speak UK english but I would pronounce it as LASS-ISS. The first syllable is LASS as in a girl and the second is pronounced with an 'S' at the end, not 'Z'. The stress is on the first syllable. Brenda On 22 Feb 2012, at 11:27, Margery Allcock wrote: I speak UK English, so this may not be the majority opinion G. I'd say the LA part the same as I'd say what hens do with eggs: hens LAY eggs. And the rest, the CIS part, I'd say the same as I'd say the first part of SISter. So: LAY-SIS. Brenda in Allhallows www.brendapaternoster.co.uk - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003/albums/most-recent
Re: [lace] Pronounciation of lacis
Hold on, how about the first part? Lacis with a or Lacis with e like in lace. I guess it depends whether one is in the UK or the US? Is there one correct way or does it depend on the place? Op 22 Feb 2012 om 12:27 heeft Margery Allcock margerybu...@o2.co.uk het volgende geschreven: I speak UK English, so this may not be the majority opinion G. I'd say the LA part the same as I'd say what hens do with eggs: hens LAY eggs. And the rest, the CIS part, I'd say the same as I'd say the first part of SISter. So: LAY-SIS. But, as I say, this may not be how everyone else pronounces Lacis. Interested to hear other replies, Margery. margerybu...@o2.co.uk in North Herts, UK -Original Message- From: stevieni...@gmail.com Dear all, As English is not my first language and I would like to be sure, I would like to consult this list on the pronounciation of lacis. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003/albums/most-recent
RE: [lace] Pronounciation of lacis
Dear Margery, Brenda, et al, Who would have thought that my 4 years teaching 7th grade English (12-14 year olds) would come in handy in lacemaking! Of course, the best thing to do is to consult the people who have the name and do as they wish. Absent that, I must remind you that when the sequence is vowel-consonant-vowel, the first vowel is a long vowel. As in the word, lace. Thus my vote is for Margery's pronunciation. lay'-sis Lyn in Lancaster, Pennsylvania, US, where it's supposed to be sunny and warm. High of 56F, 7C. The daffodils are really coming up. Almost time to work on the garden, a month earlier than usual. Lacemaking may fall off, replaced by making pysanky during Lent (Russian Easter eggs.) Margery wrote: I speak UK English, so this may not be the majority opinion G. I'd say the LA part the same as I'd say what hens do with eggs: hens LAY eggs. And the rest, the CIS part, I'd say the same as I'd say the first part of SISter. So: LAY-SIS. But, as I say, this may not be how everyone else pronounces Lacis. Interested to hear other replies, Margery. and: As English is not my first language and I would like to be sure, I would like to consult this list on the pronounciation of lacis. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003/albums/most-recent
Re: [lace] Pronounciation of lacis
LAY-sis appears to be how just about every English-speaker (UK or US) who hasn't heard the term would guess to pronounce it. The pitfall here is that the word is French in origin, so it's probably pronounced lah-SI, as the english lacy, but the first vowel being more open, and stress on the second syllable. Of course, there's always the chance that the word has been fully Anglicized and is pronounced properly in English as LAY-sis, as but it seems an obsure enough word that lexicalization is unlikely. I haven't heard anyone say the term with any authority before, so I can't say for sure one way or the other. After all, I did think picot was pie-cot instead of pee-coh until I met some other lacemakers face to face. Katelyn Schreyer krschre...@gmail.com On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 8:18 AM, lynrbai...@desupernet.net wrote: Thus my vote is for Margery's pronunciation. lay'-sis - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003/albums/most-recent
Re: [lace] Pronounciation of lacis
Unsure what you mean in your first question, but some words definitely can have a different pronunciation, not merely the difference in accent, depending on whether they are UK or American. Don't know if this word is one of those, as I've only seen it written. I must say, I was referring to the company and museum in California. I did not know that filet lace was also called 'lacis', so there may a difference from that aspect, and thus a UK difference in the pronunciation. Lyn in Lancaster, Pennsylvania, US - Hold on, how about the first part? Lacis with a or Lacis with e like in lace. I guess it depends whether one is in the UK or the US? Is there one correct way or does it depend on the place? - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003/albums/most-recent
RE: [lace] Pronounciation of lacis
Dear Lynn,, I must remind you that when the sequence is vowel-consonant-vowel, the first vowel is a long vowel. As in the word, lace. Thus my vote is for Margery's pronunciation. lay'-sis Based on what you just wrote I would be pronouncing it 'LARK-iss. There is no way it could be lay as there is no magic e following the c David in Ballarat, AUS Lyn in Lancaster, Pennsylvania, US, - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003/albums/most-recent
Re: [lace] Pronounciation of lacis
Dear Friends, I have to confess I've never heard the word Lacis spoken, but have, in my Australian English, always read it as LACK-iss How amusing the differences in our dialects. David in Ballarat, AUS. I speak UK english but I would pronounce it as LASS-ISS. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003/albums/most-recent
RE: [lace] Pronounciation of lacis
Dear David, Vowel-consonant-vowel, first vowel long, works with any second vowel. As with hop-hope, not-note, medium, consonant, accommodate, etc. Frequently an 'e' but not always. It is the explanation for many double consonants. And, it doesn't always work, if I work with American pronunciations. (just look at that last word, works for everything except the 'u'.) The second 'i' makes the 'c' soft. If you want a hard 'c' you have to use 'a', 'o' or 'u.' See, e.g., courageous. Lyn in Lancaster, PA, US David in Ballerat wrote: Dear Lyn,, Based on what you just wrote I would be pronouncing it 'LARK-iss. There is no way it could be lay as there is no magic e following the c David in Ballarat, AUS Lyn wrote: I must remind you that when the sequence is vowel-consonant-vowel, the first vowel is a long vowel. As in the word, lace. Thus my vote is for Margery's pronunciation. lay'-sis Lyn in Lancaster, Pennsylvania, US, - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003/albums/most-recent
Re: [lace] Pronounciation of lacis
Being very much American and having taught our form of primary grammar, using our grammatical rules I say LAY sis. However, I have several friends who insist it is pronounced luh CEASE. That is more like the French way except they don't drop the last S. In our basic rules, a vowel has a long sound if followed by one consonant and another vowel. That other vowel does not have to be an E. The E is most common at the end of a word but in the middle any vowel functions the same. On the other hand, proper names of things can be spelled and pronounced in ways that are contrary to normal grammatical rules. I have never been to the LACIS store and don't know how they pronounce their store name. Alice in Oregon -- where my new kitchen and bathroom are done except two door handles and final inspection. Now comes the chore of unpacking, sorting, and putting everything back in it's new place. PS... got new dining room carpet and a new computer table also. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003/albums/most-recent
Re: [lace] Pronounciation of lacis
Katelyn wrote: LAY-sis appears to be how just about every English-speaker (UK or US) who hasn't heard the term would guess to pronounce it. The pitfall here is that the word is French in origin, so it's probably pronounced lah-SI, as the english lacy, but the first vowel being more open, and stress on the second syllable. Of course, there's always the chance that the word has been fully Anglicized and is pronounced properly in English as LAY-sis, as but it seems an obscure enough word that lexicalization is unlikely... - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003/albums/most-recent
Re: [lace] Pronounciation of lacis
On 23/02/2012 12:17 AM, David C COLLYER wrote: Based on what you just wrote I would be pronouncing it 'LARK-iss. There is no way it could be lay as there is no magic e following the c David in Ballarat, AUS And my pronunciation has always been lar-CEES as it suggests french to me. Shirley T. - reaching 37C by Sunday - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003/albums/most-recent
RE: [lace] Pronounciation of lacis
Works for me Margery Cearbhael -Original Message- From: owner-l...@arachne.com [mailto:owner-l...@arachne.com] On Behalf Of stevieni...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 5:48 AM To: Margery Allcock Cc: lace arachne Subject: Re: [lace] Pronounciation of lacis Hold on, how about the first part? Lacis with a or Lacis with e like in lace. I guess it depends whether one is in the UK or the US? Is there one correct way or does it depend on the place? Op 22 Feb 2012 om 12:27 heeft Margery Allcock margerybu...@o2.co.uk het volgende geschreven: I speak UK English, so this may not be the majority opinion G. I'd say the LA part the same as I'd say what hens do with eggs: hens LAY eggs. And the rest, the CIS part, I'd say the same as I'd say the first part of SISter. So: LAY-SIS. But, as I say, this may not be how everyone else pronounces Lacis. Interested to hear other replies, Margery. margerybu...@o2.co.uk in North Herts, UK -Original Message- From: stevieni...@gmail.com Dear all, As English is not my first language and I would like to be sure, I would like to consult this list on the pronounciation of lacis. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003/albums/most-recent - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003/albums/most-recent
[lace] Pronounciation of lacis
Subject: Re: [lace] Pronounciation of lacis I speak UK english but I would pronounce it as LASS-ISS. The first syllable is LASS as in a girl and the second is pronounced with an 'S' at the end, not 'Z'. The stress is on the first syllable. Brenda I agree with Brenda Paternoster and Jane Partridge Happy lacemaking Alex - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003/albums/most-recent
Re: [lace] Pronounciation of lacis
Most of the people I've talked to in the US say the word 'lacis' is of French
origin and should be pronounced LAH (as in 'do-re-mi-fa-sol-la-ti-do) SEE (as
in 'I see you'). But most of those same people generally say LAY ('lay down on
the bed') SEAS (the plural of 'oceans') when talking about the store.
Robin P.
Los Angeles, California, USA
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[lace] Pronounciation of lacis
Dear all, As English is not my first language and I would like to be sure, I would like to consult this list on the pronounciation of lacis. Lacy greetings to all! :-) - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003/albums/most-recent
