Re: [lace] Re: Irish crochet skirt on eBay
Queen Mum? Anne in Austin TX - Original Message - From: "David Collyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "bevw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Tamara P Duvall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "lace Arachne" Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 1:16 PM Subject: Re: [lace] Re: Irish crochet skirt on eBay > > > > > Since I'm an "Arachne Dowager", with more than 10yrs of seniority and > > tons of > > > >Hey, so am I. Shall we strike a bobbin for the Arachne dowagers ~ or > >perhaps a needlepin... :p > > Me too - but what on earth do you call a dowager bloke??? > David in Ballarat - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Re: Irish crochet skirt on eBay
At the museum where I used to work, the "real-old-timers" (30 years or more seniority) called themselves the Gray-hairs. I know T doesn't have any, but I do. How about you, David and Bev? Of course, given our respective nationalities, I suppose we can also argue over whether it's the "grey-hairs" Robin P. Los Angeles, California, USA (formerly Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: David Collyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 10:16 am Subject: Re: [lace] Re: Irish crochet skirt on eBay > > > > > Since I'm an "Arachne Dowager", with more than 10yrs of > seniority and > > tons of > > > >Hey, so am I. Shall we strike a bobbin for the Arachne dowagers ~ or > >perhaps a needlepin... :p > > Me too - but what on earth do you call a dowager bloke??? > David in Ballarat - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Re: Irish crochet skirt on eBay
> Since I'm an "Arachne Dowager", with more than 10yrs of seniority and tons of Hey, so am I. Shall we strike a bobbin for the Arachne dowagers ~ or perhaps a needlepin... :p Me too - but what on earth do you call a dowager bloke??? David in Ballarat -- bye for now Bev in Sooke BC (on Vancouver Island, west coast of Canada) Cdn. floral bobbins www.woodhavenbobbins.com - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.12.4/146 - Release Date: 21/10/05 -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.12.4/146 - Release Date: 21/10/05 - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: Irish crochet skirt on eBay (hardly )
On Oct 21, 2005, at 18:05, Clay Blackwell wrote: I don't think that the value of the individual member's contribution can always be measured in the length of their membership. Certainly not, though, often, the members of longer standing tend to be less shy about both asking and replying to questions - on the list - than those who joined within the last few months. I know that it took me a long time to gather the courage to do so (though, once over that hump, there was no stopping me ), and I was forced to do it by my private "conduit" - she got tired of posting my messages as hers :) Also, I think we provide a sense of continuity; my original "conduit" has dropped out after a couple of years. I learn as much from the observations of occasional lurkers who have been members for a couple of years as I do from those sturdy individuals who have stayed the course since 1995. In fact, the questions from new members often elicit the most useful responses, so without the questions, no one would benefit!! Indeed this is so. Old questions often present a new angle. New answers to old questions usually reflect that, whether they're answered by another newbie/lurker or by someone who's been on the list for ages. And the new answers to the old questions also represent the lacemaker's own growth, even if answered by the same person who'd answered them 5 yrs ago. All of it is valuable -- Tamara P Duvallhttp://t-n-lace.net/ Lexington, Virginia, USA (Formerly of Warsaw, Poland) - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [lace] Re: Irish crochet skirt on eBay (hardly )
And I joined in '98, which means that I'll forever NOT be a dowager, for which I am eternally grateful!! (That's just not a title that has ever appealed to me! ; ) However, I owe our "Dowager Spider Duvall" a huge debt with regard to my own personal growth as a lacemaker. She, more than any other individual, influenced my early mastery of the essential skills of lacemaking, and has encouraged my exploration in directions of my own choosing, and has been my best cheerleader in my successes. AND... Having said that, I don't think that the value of the individual member's contribution can always be measured in the length of their membership. (Tamara wasn't implying that, I'm sure.) I learn as much from the observations of occasional lurkers who have been members for a couple of years as I do from those sturdy individuals who have stayed the course since 1995. In fact, the questions from new members often elicit the most useful responses, so without the questions, no one would benefit!! And usually the answers cover a wide range of possibilities, so there's something there for everyone. AND... Having said THAT, I also wonder, WHERE IS EVERYBODY??? The list has been quiet for an unusually long time! Come back! Say Hello? Just let us know you haven't gone away!! (OK - lurkers - here's your big chance to just say HI!) Clay Clay Blackwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [Original Message] > From: Tamara P Duvall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: lace Arachne > Date: 10/20/2005 11:33:03 PM > Subject: [lace] Re: Irish crochet skirt on eBay (hardly ) > > On Oct 20, 2005, at 22:49, bevw wrote: > > >> Since I'm an "Arachne Dowager", with more than 10yrs of seniority and > >> tons of > > > > Hey, so am I. Shall we strike a bobbin for the Arachne dowagers ~ or > > perhaps a needlepin... :p > > Now, _there_ is a good idea... :) IOLI has pins/charms which give the > number of years one had participated (in 5ves). I never got one because > time flies, things change... :) But I might get one, if it had a _date_ > > Same for Arachne... Liz got us jump-started in April '95 (I joined in > June of that year), so '95 will, forever, be "the date" for me... > -- > Tamara P Duvallhttp://t-n-lace.net/ > Lexington, Virginia, USA (Formerly of Warsaw, Poland) > > - > To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: > unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: Irish crochet skirt on eBay
On Oct 20, 2005, at 23:15, suzy wrote:
wish i had a 30" waist!!
I just measured mine, and it's 29.5" - a whole 3" up from what it had
been 30+ yrs ago, when I got here in 1973... 23+ yrs old, a 26" waist,
and ready to be measured for a wedding dress... :)
People weren't meant to marry when they're in their mid-life crisis
years; that's what I keep telling my son (now 28.5 and still thinking
he's "fancy free"). Especially not if they want "all the trimmings"
like lace dresses and veils :)
Actually... When I was redoing my MIL's highschool graduation dress as
my step-daughter's wedding dress (1987?), the _waist_ wasn't the
biggest problem; it was easy enough to let out at the waist, since the
dress was gathered both at the top and at the skirt. The _real bitch_
was the shoulders... :)
In 1914, a well-bred young lady of Norfolk, VA, knew how to embroider
and how to make fillet or Irish lace, but she didn't; she could buy all
of it by the yard. My MIL still liked lace well enough to have it "all
over" her graduation dress. But she spent all her teen years being
"humble", and "sports" was something that her brothers indulged in...
So, her highschool graduation dress barely fit _me_, and I was never
"sports oriented" ("school is to learn; sports is an afterschool
activity. Even if your father says otherwise" My Mother never had
enough self-esteem to assert her views, but she was never shy about
expressing them, either ). When my step-daughter first tried her
Granmaw's dress on, the shoulder seams of the sleeves were so far off,
I didn't think it would be possible to bring the dress up to a 70+ yr
standard...
Granmaw didn't play grass hockey, or any other sports; it "wasn't done"
when she was a teen. But her grand-daugther did... Which expanded her
(gd's) shoulders to the extent that made my MIL shudder... :)
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Tamara P Duvallhttp://t-n-lace.net/
Lexington, Virginia, USA (Formerly of Warsaw, Poland)
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[lace] Re: Irish crochet skirt on eBay (hardly )
On Oct 20, 2005, at 22:49, bevw wrote: Since I'm an "Arachne Dowager", with more than 10yrs of seniority and tons of Hey, so am I. Shall we strike a bobbin for the Arachne dowagers ~ or perhaps a needlepin... :p Now, _there_ is a good idea... :) IOLI has pins/charms which give the number of years one had participated (in 5ves). I never got one because time flies, things change... :) But I might get one, if it had a _date_ Same for Arachne... Liz got us jump-started in April '95 (I joined in June of that year), so '95 will, forever, be "the date" for me... -- Tamara P Duvallhttp://t-n-lace.net/ Lexington, Virginia, USA (Formerly of Warsaw, Poland) - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Re: Irish crochet skirt on eBay
> > > Most looks like IC but the stuff in the ovals looks odd. > > I don't see that it looks much like IC, either :) I have some Irish > Crochet lace - possibly also late 19th, but more likely early 20th c > - > given to me by my late MIL (born 1897), so I'm fairly familiar with > it, > even if I never tried to make it. Neither the roses nor the "ums" > (what's the English for the three-leaf clover?) are anywhere near as > "defined" (separate layers as well as depth of indentations between > the > petals) and 3-D as in the pieces I have. > i would like to add my only 2 cents worth on the lace skirt, which is all i have to give. i think it lays too flat to be crochet, but the sixth picture down from the sitting fairie looks like it has the rows where crochet is turned around when you reach the end and begin a new row. if it is crochet, the pattern was meant to immitate needle lace with the honey comb background. also i think it looks beautiful! wish i had a 30" waist!! lol. from suzy in tennessee,u.s.a. __ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Re: Irish crochet skirt on eBay
On 10/20/05, Tamara P Duvall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > chemical. And the title has now been changed to: "Museum 19th c Point > de Graz, Irish Lace trained skirt". > I am wondering what this Point de Graz is! surely they aren't coining a lace, having heard of 'Point de Gaze' > even if I never tried to make it. Neither the roses nor the "ums" > (what's the English for the three-leaf clover?) a) three-leaf clover! or clover-leaf b) trefoil (presumably derived from the French, trois feuilles = 3 leaves You mention India, and possibly this textile was crafted in there. It reminds me of other work made in India. Despite that, it had been a handsome garment when it was new. Is it my screen or is there a big stain across part of it? > Since I'm an "Arachne Dowager", with more than 10yrs of seniority and tons of Hey, so am I. Shall we strike a bobbin for the Arachne dowagers ~ or perhaps a needlepin... :p -- bye for now Bev in Sooke BC (on Vancouver Island, west coast of Canada) Cdn. floral bobbins www.woodhavenbobbins.com - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: Irish crochet skirt on eBay
On Oct 20, 2005, at 20:38, Jane Viking Swanson wrote: Hi all, I was browsing on eBay and saw the title "Point de Graz (sic)" and wondered if another gorgeous Point de Gaze skirt was for sale. I saw your posting, and wondered "what on earth are the Austrians up to _now_" - Graz being a town in Austria... 100 yrs ago and more, during the Austro-Hungarian Empire, they took credit for all the lace made on the teritory, including what's now known as "Idria" and the Czech and Slovak laces... There was little to pinch in Poland, though the villages which made lace - Koniakow (motif crochet, much like Irish in some ways) and Bobowa (BL) - were within the administrative district. Upon closer examination it looks like Irish Crochet to me though the pictures are so bad on my computer that it may be Chemical Lace. Even on the closer look (there was one photo which had a decent close up) - none of the lace looked like chemical; there were none of the tale-tell (tell-tale?) fuzzy whiskers around the motifs, which are left after the fabric around them is dissolved. So I don' rhink it's chemical. And the title has now been changed to: "Museum 19th c Point de Graz, Irish Lace trained skirt". So, OK... Depending on where, _precisely_, in the 19th c... it's possible that Austria and Ireland have crossed paths - both had been crammed-full of nihilists at one point :) Most looks like IC but the stuff in the ovals looks odd. I don't see that it looks much like IC, either :) I have some Irish Crochet lace - possibly also late 19th, but more likely early 20th c - given to me by my late MIL (born 1897), so I'm fairly familiar with it, even if I never tried to make it. Neither the roses nor the "ums" (what's the English for the three-leaf clover?) are anywhere near as "defined" (separate layers as well as depth of indentations between the petals) and 3-D as in the pieces I have. On the other hand... The few clear close-ups there are, are _ever so_ like the insert in a "made in India" shirt I got In Poland, in '99, for $1 :), especially when you look close at the bars in the ground. There seems to be a lot of this "stuff" available now, and it's constructed of machine-made elements (including leaves with two "faces" - one cloth and one patterned and flowers which have more than 2 aspects), with a - machine made - net connecting them. There's still a lot of handwork involved in putting the elements together, but it's not "hand made from scratch" stuff. Still, for under $300, a full skirt is well-worth it, IMO; just look at the prices of - all "plastic" - wedding dresses in the DC and NYC areas... Shoot... I paid $120 for my wedding dress, and that was in July of '73... And the whole thing - lace and underskirt - were machine-made, synthetic "stuff"... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=8344399255 Jane in Vermont, USA, wondering why everybody is so quiet. I hardly ever initiate a "thread", though I happily (and volubly ) contribute to any ongoing one that's of interest to me. Since I'm an "Arachne Dowager", with more than 10yrs of seniority and tons of accumulated self-confidence, I assume that people with less chutzbah and more modesty than I have, are "looking for openings" even more eagerly than I do. -- Tamara P Duvallhttp://t-n-lace.net/ Lexington, Virginia, USA (Formerly of Warsaw, Poland) - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
