Re: [lace] Re: Princess Lace Machine/American Lace

[bevw]

Hi Mark and everyone

I went to the Digital Archives of Documents Pertaining to Lace and searched
first for the 'Princess Lace Machine' (no joy) and then the 'Torchon Lace
Company' - (joy) and found a 64-page pdf document, which I couldn't open
because of my lowly dialup connection (which choked, and I had to restart a
few things to get back 'here' etc. etc. - oh well...).. the search notes did
tell me that the TLC operated as of 1901 through about a decade or so.

Go here to read the document, it is a paper entitled "American Lace" and
should be a useful read ;)


http://www.cs.arizona.edu/patterns/weaving/monographs/cmc_lace.pdf

I then looked at the section 'patents' and saw 'lace machines' - and found
this one

http://www.cs.arizona.edu/patterns/weaving/patents/SAMPLES/00745206.gif

Whether or not S. Lewis worked for the TLC bears further research. Your idea
that the Princess Lace Machine was offered the year of the World's Fair
makes sense to me, although I can't confirm. Maybe there is information in
the paper above.

HTH

Bev in Sooke BC (on beautiful Vancouver Island, west coast of Canada)

On 10/22/07, Tatman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I am finding this conversation about this pillow fascinating.  Since I am
from the St. Louis area(50 miles east), and the Torchon Lace Company is from
St. Louis and is the one that made the Princess Lace Machine(am I correct in
my thinking?), this has me interested.  And it is also interesting to note
that the Princess Lace machine was made in 1904 which also happened to be
the year of the World's Fair in St. Louis, Mo.  Any correlation there and
wonder if it was presented at the 1904 World's Fair?  Any one have thoughts
on the history of that?  Trying to get my facts straight...

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Re: [lace] Re: Princess Lace Machine/ US lacemaking Ipswich

[Kate Henry]

Late 1700s, the little town of Ipswich Mass produced annually 79,000 yards of
Handmade Bobbin lace. Documentation and actual samples are in the Library of
Congress Washington DC.  For demo at Rev War reenactments I make a black silk
copy of #4. The distinctive laces mostly resemble a combination of Bucks and
Torchon, with variations on the grounds. Some of the patterns have been
published with new prickings so they can be made again. They are very pretty.
:)) Check published prickings by Karen Thompson 2004. .Check "The Laces of
Ipswich" Marta Cotterell Raffel ISBN 1-58465-163-6. My copy was $25 a while
back. Excellent history included. Also check IOLI Bulletin Summer 1996-7 Vol
17, Number 4. ISSN 0740-6746..
Kate Henry
Indiana USA

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From: "C Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Tatman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Lace list" 
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 10:27 AM
Subject: Re: [lace] Re: Princess Lace Machine


> Hi Mark AND All.
>
> I was wondering also, this must have been a largest effort made to get
> lacemaking really going in the US?
> Was there a larger effort made?
>
>

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Re: [lace] Re: Princess Lace Machine

[C Johnson]

Hi Mark AND All.

I was wondering also, this must have been a largest effort made to get 
lacemaking really going in the US?
Was there a larger effort made?

Susie

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  From: Tatman
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  Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 10:19 AM
  Subject: [lace] Re: Princess Lace Machine


  I am finding this conversation about this pillow fascinating.  Since I am
  from the St. Louis area(50 miles east), and the Torchon Lace Company is 
from
  St. Louis and is the one that made the Princess Lace Machine(am I correct 
in
  my thinking?), this has me interested.  And it is also interesting to note
  that the Princess Lace machine was made in 1904 which also happened to be
  the year of the World's Fair in St. Louis, Mo.  Any correlation there and
  wonder if it was presented at the 1904 World's Fair?  Any one have 
thoughts
  on the history of that?  Trying to get my facts straight...

  Happy Lacemaking!

  Mark, aka Tatman
  In cool, soon to be rainy Greenville, IL USA
  Www.tat-man.net
  Www.tat-man.net/blog


  > -- Original message --
  > From: "Laurie Waters" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  >
  >> It doesn't really matter whether they were good to use or not. The 
German
  >> Rassmussen pillow, of which this is almost a direct copy (along with 
most of
  >> the patterns), was just as hard to use. The point is that The Torchon 
Lace
  >> Company, product of Sylvester Lewis, was the first and only commercial
  >> attempt at marketing bobbinlace to American women through early 20th 
century
  >> advertising. And the enterprise lasted from 1904 to 1919 - one even 
finds
  >> examples sold in Australia. His 'paint by numbers' patterns was also 
not
  >> unique - I've seen this in earlier French works. Who knows if he ever 
came
  >> through on his promise to buy the lace that these machines would 
produce?
  >> All in all this was a totally impractical system. Typically American!
  >> Nothing like it before, although one might argue that his contemporary
  >> Cottrell in France came close.
  >> And so, many of these machines survive, and more and more are showing 
up on
  >> Ebay. 30 years ago, if we found one in an antique shop, it was a very 
lucky
  >> find. I predict the price will remain in this range for a long time to
  >> come. And even higher prices realized for the much rarer Australian 
version.
  >> Laurie

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[lace] Re: Princess Lace Machine

[Tatman]

I am finding this conversation about this pillow fascinating.  Since I am
from the St. Louis area(50 miles east), and the Torchon Lace Company is from
St. Louis and is the one that made the Princess Lace Machine(am I correct in
my thinking?), this has me interested.  And it is also interesting to note
that the Princess Lace machine was made in 1904 which also happened to be
the year of the World's Fair in St. Louis, Mo.  Any correlation there and
wonder if it was presented at the 1904 World's Fair?  Any one have thoughts
on the history of that?  Trying to get my facts straight...

Happy Lacemaking!

Mark, aka Tatman
In cool, soon to be rainy Greenville, IL USA
Www.tat-man.net
Www.tat-man.net/blog


> -- Original message --
> From: "Laurie Waters" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
>> It doesn't really matter whether they were good to use or not. The German
>> Rassmussen pillow, of which this is almost a direct copy (along with most of
>> the patterns), was just as hard to use. The point is that The Torchon Lace
>> Company, product of Sylvester Lewis, was the first and only commercial
>> attempt at marketing bobbinlace to American women through early 20th century
>> advertising. And the enterprise lasted from 1904 to 1919 - one even finds
>> examples sold in Australia. His 'paint by numbers' patterns was also not
>> unique - I've seen this in earlier French works. Who knows if he ever came
>> through on his promise to buy the lace that these machines would produce?
>> All in all this was a totally impractical system. Typically American!
>> Nothing like it before, although one might argue that his contemporary
>> Cottrell in France came close.
>> And so, many of these machines survive, and more and more are showing up on
>> Ebay. 30 years ago, if we found one in an antique shop, it was a very lucky
>> find. I predict the price will remain in this range for a long time to
>> come. And even higher prices realized for the much rarer Australian version.
>> Laurie 

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