Re: [lace] Shredding threads
In a message dated 24/02/2010 08:40:39 GMT Standard Time, francis.busscha...@telenet.be writes: > so the threads will never ever shred on the surface the leather is > highpolllished > Hi Francis, Leather or plastic is nice to use with continental bobbins, where you want them to slide, but with spangled bobbins I find that I need the slight amount of friction between the cloth and bobbin to be able to 'get hold' of them. But so long as the cloth is thin, and the bobbins aren't overwound, the thread shouldn't touch the cloth very much anyway. Even with leather or plastic there is still the same risk of the leash rubbing on the edge of the cloth. I haven't found that the threads break because of the cloths. They snap, fairly cleanly, if they are handled too roughly or if they are too dry and brittle, or they fall apart with long whiskers if they untwist. Neither of these are really due to the cloths. I suspect that having your pillow at an angle contributes a lot; as someone else pointed out, if the pillow is angled the bobbins will roll to the lowest point and one side will twist more and the other side will untwist. But again, this affects unspangled bobbins more than spangled which slide rather than roll. Malvary worked on a pillow that was Mum's, finishing off a piece of her lace. Two bobbins out of all of them kept untwisting. There were other bobbins of the same design on the pillow - no problem with them. One was one of the two fan workers - no problems with its partner. The other was working ground, pattern, footside - again, no problems with any other bobbins. We observed and analysed and puzzled. Never did solve the mystery, unless, possibly, had been wound those two bobbins with a different thread somehow. But if they were, it wasn't observable even with strong magnification. Jacquie in Lincolnshire - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] Shredding threads
In a message dated 24/02/2010 11:11:09 GMT Standard Time, jpartri...@pebble.demon.co.uk writes: > Could they have formed the first pair wound Unlikely. Mum was of the school to wind her bobbins in pairs, and as I remember there was a *pair* working the cloth stitch fans. Different enough to tell one from the other, but bought as a pair - like different pictures or whatever. There was also a partner bobbin on the pillow for the other one, but that had separated doing half stitch. As I said, we puzzled over it for several evenings, and all the while Malvary had to keep retwisting those two bobbins to stop them falling off. Jacquie - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
RE: [lace] Shredding threads
And that leather thing dear friends is what got me hooked into lace making, on a visit to Honiton before I had even heard of bobbin lace we popped into a gift shop and I heard this wonderful rhythmic sound , followed my ears and there sat an old lady making lace with a leather cover exactly as you describe, the sound was beautiful. Sue M Harvey Norfolk UK - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] Shredding threads
Ah- HA! Then it's definitely the lace gremlins! I suspect they've been around since dirt, but in modern times, some of them have morphed into computer gremlins. Clay Never did solve the mystery, unless, possibly, had been wound those two bobbins with a different thread somehow. But if they were, it wasn't observable even with strong magnification. Jacquie in Lincolnshir - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] Shredding threads
When we (Jacquie, Tamara, Julie and I) went to IOLI in Montreal, Jacquie and Tamara were taking a course doing Cluny de Brioude. Tamara made 'leather' cover cloths and I was given one which I still enjoy using. Tamara would be able to tell you what she bought to make the cloths with. Some of my students have made cloths with a hole from a heavy non-fraying suede type fabric. Malvary in Ottawa where it is snowing again, but quite warm 0c, so perhaps it won't stay (rain forecast for Friday). - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] Shredding threads
I was also in the Cluny de Brioude class in Montreal. Our class materials instructed us to bring a leather piece to work on. I was fortunate to find a remnant of a very soft deerskin leather, comparatively thin and very pliable, plus it felt wonderful to the touch. I believe there were some in the class who were using thicker and stiffer pieces of leather which might cause the problems described (but in their defense, we weren't given any particulars about what sort of leather to use). Devon's comment about the possibility of the 'bulb' on continental bobbins providing a bit of elevation is interesting. I, too, use continental bobbins exclusively and have not had the shredding problem so that might be an explanation. I wonder what experience others have had using the plastic green 'horseshoe' intended to raise threads a bit to avoid catching on exposed pins? I confess I own one but have never used it. Has anyone found that it helps with the shredding problem? Vicki in Maryland -Original Message- From: Malvary J Cole When we (Jacquie, Tamara, Julie and I) went to IOLI in Montreal, Jacquie and Tamara were taking a course doing Cluny de Brioude. Tamara made 'leather' cover cloths and I was given one which I still enjoy using. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] Shredding threads
I agree with Jane. To me shredding means the thread disintegrating due to friction , snapping is a sudden breakage caused by too much tension, either heavy handedness or a weak thread and feathering is the thread just pulling apart, usually because it has become untwisted. I don't usually have too much of a problem with any of these but the current project has been a trial - mainly because I started it using a one ply weaving linen! Where the thread has held together it looks fine, but even with making an effort to keep the threads twisted I had half a dozen feathering breaks in about three inches of lace and I couldn't pull hard enough to tension the spiders properly and so I gave up and started again using Moravia 40/2. Problem solved. I had a similar problem when I tried to use Shetland wool singles yarn for BL. I'm using a novelty metallic thread for the gimps and outside passive pair. It's a chained thread with added bits of glitter, a bit like metallic chenille. I have to tug it pretty hard to tension it but no problems other than the fact that at the end of each session there are several tiny pieces of the glitter fibre on the pillow caused by friction (shredding), but no breakages. Brenda > I'm wondering if there are several problems being discussed and the > description meaning different things to different people! Brenda in Allhallows paternos...@appleshack.com http://paternoster.orpheusweb.co.uk/ - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
