[lace-chat] Legality of Charles/Camilla Marriage
It now seems the lawyers are going to make magebucks from the marriage. It's being questioned whether a civil royal marriage will be a legal one under British law. If not, and they marry, the situation could be worse than prince and mistress (supposedly the queen agreed to the marriage to end the present, seen by many as unacceptable, situation). It's still being questionned whether two of Henry VIII's marriage were actually legal. Because of his position in the church and the country, there's no problem with Charles remarrying in church because, although he's divorced, his previous wife is dead. The problem is Camilla's ex-husband still being alive. If he wasn't, there'd be no problem with a legal and church wedding. I've no doubt that the lawyers/judiciary will be working very rapidly (for a change) to clarify the law and change it if necessary (if they can) before 8th April. Jean in Poole To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] art (and horses)
Tamara wrote: walking under the horse with my mother, we looked up and -- oh, yes! -- the horse is male . . . So is Jan III Sobieski's one :) I've never been close enough to the Poniatowski statue (was on the same website, but closer to the top), as it's not easily approachable, but I'd bet *that* horse is male also... Come to think about it... I can't remember any of the famous battle horses being female (yes, there *was* Rosinante, but she was a battlehorse only in Don Quixote's dreams g). Yet, some of them *had* to be, by the laws of nature and statistics. Is it another instance of females being unsung and discriminated against? I imagine these horses were very much like people G ... the females weren't all that warlike, so were kept at home to breed, while the males were kept entire (not gelded) and their testosterone made them usefully fierce and eager to join in the battles. BTW: statues of soldiers on horses ... did you know/is it true/can you correct my details ... if a soldier died peacefully in old age, his statue portrays him on a horse with all its four feet on the ground; if from his wounds as a result of a battle - 3 feet on the ground; if during a battle - 2 feet on the ground ... but what about the one-foot-on-the-ground horse statues? BFN, Margery. [EMAIL PROTECTED] in North Herts, UK To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] Book sought
Many thanks to all who replied both on and off the list. I have located two mail order firms which carry the title and I have ordered it from one of them. Patricia in Wales [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Horses
Margery wrote: I imagine these horses were very much like people G ... the females weren't all that warlike, so were kept at home to breed, while the males were kept entire (not gelded) and their testosterone made them usefully fierce and eager to join in the battles. The stallions I've encountered have all been OK unless they came across a mare in season. Have you ever ridden a mare in season? They're just like their human counterparts at that time. That's why riders who want a consistent ride go for geldings. Show jumpers and those used for three day eventing and cross country tend to be geldings. Racehorses are usually left entire in the case of males, as they're going to be useful for breeding (big mistake made by the person who decided to geld Red Rum), and are gelded if not any use for that purpose. Mares are raced because they just go flat out or with jumps between them and the winning post, and it doesn't matter if they behave or not - they just go with the herd. I had a mare and two geldings and always knew how the geldings would behave. Not so with the mare. She never encountered a stallion at close hand, but when they had one stabled in the same complex, she was so up tight there wasn't much we could do with her. And if she came across a foal (whatever time of year), her mothering instincts came out and it was very difficult to get her mind on anything else. Both the stallion and any foals had to be out of sight and out of smell. Jean in Poole To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] class system
Hmm, well I can't say that I think that doing away with royals will solve any problem with class systems completely. There's always the monkeys at the top. However, I was appalled at the blatant prejudice last time I was in England. We happened to be sitting behind the Commander of The Met (London's policeforce) at a police demo. This gentleman made a comment that the force has never been the same since they started letting the officers come up through the ranks. I couldn't believe it. Another example which is spread worldwide and more sinister. How many British movies have you been to where the bad guys always have a lower class accent? Even the Harry Potter movies were guilty (listen to the Slytherin quidditch captain)..and they were made by Americans. Guess I'm a bit of a pie in the sky type and think everyone should be equal..but there's always someone more equal eh? Sharon on sunny Vancouver Island No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.8 - Release Date: 2/14/05 To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] class system
Sharon said Another example which is spread worldwide and more sinister. How many British movies have you been to where the bad guys always have a lower class accent? Even the Harry Potter movies were guilty (listen to the Slytherin quidditch captain)..and they were made by Americans. Guess I'm a bit of a pie in the sky type and think everyone should be equal..but there's always someone more equal eh? I think what I notice most when seeing films is how often the bad guy has a British accent - Bond films, at least one of the Die Hard films etc. Now these are mostly American films, there are not that many British films about, and the British accent in those films tends to be upper class English. Go figure jenny barron Scotish with a Scottish classless accent To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] class system
Guess I'm a bit of a pie in the sky type and think everyone should be equal..but there's always someone more equal eh? Sharon on sunny Vancouver Island Was it Animal Farm the saying came from All people are created equal, though some are more equal than others. The theme of Animal Farm is timeless. Noelene in Cooma [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~nlafferty/ To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Re: art (and horses)
At 09:39 AM 2/14/05 -, Margery Allcock wrote: I imagine these horses were very much like people G ... the females weren't all that warlike, so were kept at home to breed, while the males were kept entire (not gelded) and their testosterone made them usefully fierce and eager to join in the battles. If I recall correctly, mares and geldings were preferred for war mounts -- because a mare in heat wouldn't break their concentration. [hoof code absent-mindedly snipped] at http://www.snopes.com/military/statue.htm I find: -- Claim: The number of hooves lifted into the air on equestrian statues reveals how the riders died. Status: False. Origins: Folk wisdom has it that equestrian statues contain a code whereby the rider's fate can be determined by noting how many hooves the horse has raised. The most common theory has it that if one hoof is raised, the rider was wounded in battle (possibly dying of those wounds later but not necessarily so); two raised hooves, death in battle; all four hooves on the ground, the rider survived all battles unharmed. . . . Given that the alleged statuary code consists of three poses (no hooves raised, one hoof raised, and two hooves raised), the odds that a rider's manner of death would correspond to his horse's pose through plain chance are one in three, which is the proportion we find when surveying the equestrian statues in our nation's capital that is, only about ten out of thirty statues in Washington, D.C., follow the traditional pattern. . . . The connection between statuary horses hooves' and the manner of deaths of their riders is not tradition, but like the well-known but mundane list of coincidences between the Lincoln and Kennedy assassinations an attempt to create an interesting piece of information (in this case, something akin to a secret code) by finding patterns in randomness through the expedient of simply ignoring or explaining away all the cases that don't fit the pattern. -- (Wearing my BuHead of the Writers' [criticism] Exchange hat: she should transpose explaining away and simply ignoring.) But if we believe in the code firmly enough, sculptors will begin to follow it. Bit late to enforce it -- equestrian statues for war heros have gone out of style. -- Joy Beeson http://home.earthlink.net/~joybeeson/ http://home.earthlink.net/~dbeeson594/ROUGHSEW/ROUGH.HTM http://home.earthlink.net/~beeson_n3f/ west of Fort Wayne, Indiana, U.S.A. where rain washed all the snow into the lake last night. Ice is bare, but still holding. To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] British accents
I must be bored tonight I actually googled and found this article on the use of the English accent in American films. http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/classic/A891155 I'll never think of the Aristocats in the same way ever again. now back to my UFO bruges flower lace mat jenny barron Scotland To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] British accents
That's a great article, Jenny, you should get bored more often and see what you turn up! BTW, do you know that Errol Flynn was Australian? And as far as British accents go, I can NEVER hear a British interview with the man in the street without giggling and thinking of those wonderful people who invented the clay motion interviews in Creature Comforts (Wallace and Grommet, and Chicken Run). And to carry on the link with cartoons, I found a reference to lace+ recently in Asterix and the Belgians where he borrows a piece of Belgian lace to use as a truce flag, and comments are made from then on about the holes in it, etc. Noelene in Cooma [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~nlafferty/ I must be bored tonight I actually googled and found this article on the use of the English accent in American films. http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/classic/A891155 I'll never think of the Aristocats in the same way ever again. now back to my UFO bruges flower lace mat jenny barron Scotland To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] British Royals and marriages
I don't expect any one of us will ever know what went on in that marriage, and I for one am not particularly interested in the rights and wrongs of who slept with whom first - I just take exception to people - especially women, who have fought against such things for years - judging women on their looks. Those in greenhouses shouldn't throw stones - and there are precious few of you lucky enough to be blessed with said good looks, so maybe a little charity may not come amiss. By all means criticise actions - remembering that those who are without sin can cast the first stone - but to criticise and judge because one woman is not as photogenic as another is unjust in the extreme. Carol - Original Message - From: Jacqui Southworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Carol Adkinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 7:24 AM Subject: Re: [lace-chat] British Royals and marriages On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 22:55:33 -, you wrote: criticising her looks. We cannot all be judged by our beauty or lack thereof - and she may well be the proof that beauty is only skin-deep, and what matters is what is inside! Hi Carol - it IS what matters inside - but her betrayal of her husband, and her part in breaking Diana's heart is what causes people to judge her by her looks - and she wasn't very charitable to Diana by all accounts, in private. So she has no beauty, imho, in or out! ttfn Jacqui Jacqui Southworth, Fleetwood, Lancs, England [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] NEW ***Spangled Birth Month Bobbins*** Larkholme Lace - Bobbin Lace Supplies, painted bobbins and tools,books www.larkholmelace.co.uk To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
FW: [lace-chat] art (and horses)
Sorry sent this to Margery and didn't get it to chat. I am disputing the male testosterone for war horse theory based on the Arabian which is the horse I most understand. Please read my comments about war horses below... Cearbhael -Original Message- From: Angel Skubic [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 10:43 AM To: 'Margery Allcock' Subject: RE: [lace-chat] art (and horses) Well, not if you look at the Arabian breed. A breed prized by the Bedouin for War Horses. The stallions were NEVER ridden into battle. Only the mares. They were bred for thousands of years as war horses. I breed Arabians now and believe you me, they still have that war horse mentality. They are alert, intelligent, quick, and very brave. My filly Jamahla, at the age of 2 thought the lash of the lung whip was a snake (or at least it reminded her of one) and she went into this stalk and kill the snake routine that used all the battle techniques that have been used for generations in war horses. If you ever watched the Lippizzan Stallions you will have seen the moves. The haute ecole moves like the Piaff, the Levage, and The Capriolle are all war or battle maneuvers, that are still practiced through dressage. I watched my 2 year old filly go through every one of these moves on her own without any training when she was stalking her pretend snake. It is still one of her favorite games and there is never any knowing what fancy battle manuever she will pull off in the process. I find her quick and natural ability to be proof that the moves are not so much learned but bred into war horses. Dressage merely refines and perfects the horses natural abilities. Cearbhael -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Margery Allcock Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 3:39 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] com Subject: Re: [lace-chat] art (and horses) Tamara wrote: walking under the horse with my mother, we looked up and -- oh, yes! -- the horse is male . . . So is Jan III Sobieski's one :) I've never been close enough to the Poniatowski statue (was on the same website, but closer to the top), as it's not easily approachable, but I'd bet *that* horse is male also... Come to think about it... I can't remember any of the famous battle horses being female (yes, there *was* Rosinante, but she was a battlehorse only in Don Quixote's dreams g). Yet, some of them *had* to be, by the laws of nature and statistics. Is it another instance of females being unsung and discriminated against? I imagine these horses were very much like people G ... the females weren't all that warlike, so were kept at home to breed, while the males were kept entire (not gelded) and their testosterone made them usefully fierce and eager to join in the battles. BTW: statues of soldiers on horses ... did you know/is it true/can you correct my details ... if a soldier died peacefully in old age, his statue portrays him on a horse with all its four feet on the ground; if from his wounds as a result of a battle - 3 feet on the ground; if during a battle - 2 feet on the ground ... but what about the one-foot-on-the-ground horse statues? BFN, Margery. [EMAIL PROTECTED] in North Herts, UK To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] SP Thanks
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[lace-chat] Fw: How True
This one brought a smile to me, hope you like it too. Lorri We Change When I was in my younger days, I weighed a few pounds less, I needn't hold my tummy in To wear a belted dress. But now that I am older, I've set my body free; There's comfort of elastic Where once my waist would be. Inventor of those high-heeled shoes My feet have not forgiven; I have to wear a nine now, But used to wear a seven. And how about those pantyhose-- They're sized by weight, you see, So how come when I put them on, The crotch is at my knees? I need to wear these glasses As the prints were getting smaller; And it wasn't very long ago I know that I was taller. Though my hair has turned to silver and my skin no longer fits, On the inside, I'm the same old me, Just the outside's changed a bit Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] class system perpetuated
Sharon said Another example which is spread worldwide and more sinister. How many British movies have you been to where the bad guys always have a lower class accent? I think what I notice most when seeing films is how often the bad guy has a British accent - Bond films, at least one of the Die Hard films etc. Now these are mostly American films, there are not that many British films about, and the British accent in those films tends to be upper class English. Go figure It's not only films that propagate the class system idea! If you read science fiction, you will notice that most future societies are class ridden, even if they don't have a king or queen as a head of state. I'm thining particularly of David Weber's series about the Kingdom of Manticore and the People's republic of I can't remember the name...HE absolutely sweats class envy throughout the books. I do like them, but I can't help noticing how prejudiced he is. Same thing for Anne McCaffrey, whom I absolutely adore, but who also keeps the old class system going in all her books, if you read closely... Helene, the froggy from Melbourne Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] :) Fwd: The way women think
A re-hash of an oldie but goodie... I've seen/heard it in several versions, the favourite being - some 6 yrs ago, in Poland - a rabbi (substitute for woman) and a priest (substitute for man). There was no moral to the story, though g From: B.B. God Works in Mysterious Ways A woman and a man are involved in a car accident; it's a bad one. Both of their cars are totally demolished but amazingly neither of them are hurt. God works in Mysterious ways. After they crawl out of their cars, the woman says, So you're a man. That's interesting. I'm a woman. Wow, just look at our cars! There's nothing left, but we're unhurt. This must be a sign from God that we should meet and be friends and live together in peace for the rest of our days. Flattered, the man replies, Oh yes, I agree with you completely, this must be a sign from God! The woman continues, And look at this, here's another miracle. My car is completely demolished but this bottle of wine didn't break. Surely God wants us to drink this wine and celebrate our good fortune. Then she hands the bottle to the man. The man nods his head in agreement, opens it and drinks half the bottle and then hands it back to the woman. The woman takes the bottle and immediately puts the cap back on, and hands it back to the man. The man asks, Aren't you having any? The woman replies, No. I think I'll just wait for the police MORAL OF THE STORY: Women are clever, evil bitches. Don't mess with them. -- Tamara P Duvallhttp://t-n-lace.net/ Lexington, Virginia, USA (Formerly of Warsaw, Poland) To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] British Royals and marriages
precious few of you lucky enough to be blessed with said good looks, so My remark about the hair was half in jest. However: We are criticising a hair style, which is so unflattering it draws negative attention to the wearer. This in itself is not a criticism of the person within. The pair have made a public declaration, including permitting photos, which have appeared on front pages of newspapers, and on websites. They can appear as they wish, but the more, shall I say, idisosyncratic the appearance, the more chance of caricature, in terms of the press, that is licenced ridicule. I think a person who wants to win over the public is ill-advised to be too cavalier about their appearance. If the individuals would have been discreet, and photos published without their permission, I would have respected the former, and criticized the latter. bye for now Bev in Sooke, BC (on Vancouver Island, west coast of Canada) Cdn. floral bobbins www.woodhavenbobbins.com To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Re: class system/Animal Farm
On Feb 14, 2005, at 15:15, Noelene Lafferty wrote: Was it Animal Farm the saying came from All people are created equal, though some are more equal than others. Yup, except that, as I remember it, it was: Everyone's equal, but some are more equal than others. Given that none of the characters were people, it makes sense g Animal Farm was the first book that I read in English... I was 19, in my second year at the U and, although I was *supposed* to read most of the stuff (not the European lit) in the original, my English wasn't up to speed. So, it was translations or, when those weren't available, I'd invite a kujon (a broad-beamed person who spent most of her/his time studying) to a lunch or a movie, in exchange for her telling me the story. I'd follow it up by reading a couple of randomly selected pages, and it was always enough to pass an exam :) Animal Farm was *not* on the compulsory reading list of the English dept; in fact, it was black-listed for all of the countries under the USSR's umbrella of influence... :) But, somehow, someone with a warped sense of humour (I really, really, don't think it was ignorance, though I've met some censors who were as dim as some of the authorities I'd encountered here g) got the book (in the original) into the - single - foreign language bookstore in Warsaw. As a *childrens book*, because of its subtitle (a fairy tale? a fable?) I don't know how many copies there were; couldn't have been more than 200-300 hundred, because that was the maximum run the bookstore would carry of any title. But someone spotted it, and the phones started ringing, and in 48 hrs all the copies were gone... :) I gave mine away, once I had a ticket for the US-bound boat; figured I could buy it here, if I wanted to (never did, though) One thing I was always sorry about was that, although I was able to read it, my English still wasn't good enough at the time to translate it properly; my Mother would have enjoyed it, I'm sure. She did enjoy the bits I did translate (roughly) for her, and provided the key; by early 70ties, my knowledge of modern history (esp of our own system) was already riddled with holes, due to prejudicial and constantly changing teaching. But she still *remembered* it, and would recognize the characters immediately - that's Stalin, that's Trotski etc... -- Tamara P Duvallhttp://t-n-lace.net/ Lexington, Virginia, USA (Formerly of Warsaw, Poland) To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
re: [lace-chat] British accents
Thank you for sharing the link, Jenny. It is an interesting opinion. One thing the discussion didn't include was the *delivery* of those accents. All the actors mentioned are heavy-weights in the industry - it wouldn't do just to have any person with an English-accent serve the part. The accomplished actor can make him or herself understood. This reminds me that the actors in the film The Statement about a French man sought for crime, and based in France, intended for a market of speakers of English (i.e. in North America and in the UK) used British actors and likely the RP accent (let's see - that's received pronunciation, right?) - because the director felt that British actors better portrayed the European person. The film was the more powerful, therefore. What is tricky to do, for some British and American actors, is the Canadian accent ~ Nobody asked, but I'll say it anyway - there isn't a way of speaking 'un-accented' - any way we speak, there is an accent ;) bye for now Bev in Sooke, BC (on Vancouver Island, west coast of Canada) Cdn. floral bobbins www.woodhavenbobbins.com To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] long URLs
You could try using http://www.tinyurl.com for long URLs, as a concession to those of us whose computers balk can't read it at one fell swoop because of line break settings. It saves a lot of grief when you're posting eBay links. Avital I know the URL is *hugely long*... My 'puter doesn't seem to mind, and To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
