Re: [lace-chat] Warning

2012-01-15 Thread The Lace Bee
We got a phone call last week.  I picked the phone up and said 'hello'.  I was
immeadiately hit with the person on the other end saying very fast; 'you'll
never guess where I am'.
 
As I didn't recognise the voice or the number (we
have caller display which shows you the name of the caller if I've stored the
number  ie everyone I know) ..
 
So I just said ...
 
 
'No, I can't guess
and I've no idea who you are either.'
 
There was an audible gulp at the end
of the phone and a sheepish voice said; 'o, I've got the wrong number' and
hung up.
 
 
Two days later the same number rang again and said before I could
even get out a 'hello' ...'I'm just letting you know I'm home'.  'Great', I
said, 'and who are you?'
 
phone went dead again.
 
L

Kind Regards

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From: Linda Walton linda.wal...@dsl.pipex.com
To: Lace Chat
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Sent: Saturday, 14 January 2012, 10:55
Subject: Re:
[lace-chat] Warning
  
[with apologies for duplication to Lesley Blackshaw -
when I sent this yesterday I was in a hurry to go out to an appointment and
pressed on 'reply' instead of 'reply all'  --  Linda]


I used to get these
calls too, but I seem to have put a stop to them.
(Crossed fingers!)
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Re: [lace-chat] Warning

2012-01-15 Thread The Lace Bee
In the UK you can register your telephone number with the TPS (Telephone
Preference Scheme) which works with all UK based callers - but not
international one or scam artists.
 
Also, once registered, don't let callers
tell you that you have to re-register each year.  This is utter rubbish.
 
I
used to work for BT and if we called people on the TPS scheme for marketing
calls without their permission they could sue for compensation.  It's that
serious.
 
Ls

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 From:
Malvary Cole malva...@sympatico.ca
To: Linda Walton
linda.wal...@dsl.pipex.com; Lace Chat lace-chat@arachne.com 
Sent:
Saturday, 14 January 2012, 14:23
Subject: Re: [lace-chat] Warning
  
Linda
wrote:   - does anyone else have any schemes that have worked? I'd really
like to know!

One thing I've found works (sometimes) is asking to be put on
their 'do not call' list.  We are able to register our phone numbers to a
government 'do not call' list and I always ask them WHERE they are calling
from (not what company) and if they are in Canada, I point out that they are
contravening the law and if they want to continue with the call that is fine,
but I'll have to report them and get them prosecuted.  They usually apologise
for calling and hang up (we are quite polite in Canada!).

If the call is from
the U.S. then that threat doesn't work, so I ask if they have a do not call
list to put my number on.  If not, then I ask them to hang on because there is
someone at the door.  Going back to them sometime later they've usually gone
or if not, they are not getting very far with their marketing do I tell them
they need to get another job because they are failing miserably at the one
they've got.  Then I hang up.  One time I told the guy there was someone at
the door and when I came back to the phone a few minutes later he was still
going through his patter, so I put the phone down again.  After 10 minutes, I
spoke and asked if he could repeat what he had said because I'd not heard a
word because I'd been to the door and then had to go to the bathroom.  He hung
up!

Malvary in Ottawa, where we have had 2 days of storms - freezing rain and
snow - and the city ploughed the side street and mine  and dumped everything
on the sidewalk along the front of my house.  The sidewalk plough has cut a
path through and the end of my drive now has a 3ft high and about 4ft wide
pile at the end of my drive, so I'm not going anywhere for a while.  It is
also -20 with a windchill of -31. 
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Re: [lace-chat] Warning

2012-01-14 Thread Linda Walton
[with apologies for duplication to Lesley Blackshaw - when I sent this 
yesterday I was in a hurry to go out to an appointment and pressed on 
'reply' instead of 'reply all'  --  Linda]



I used to get these calls too, but I seem to have put a stop to them.
(Crossed fingers!)

Like you, Lesley, one of these calls arrived on a day when I was
prepared to waste time on it.  Usually I just told the girl that I
didn't have a computer, or to 'go phishing elsewhere' and the call would
be ended sharply, but a few days later there would be another one - very
tiresome.  The main problem is not just to stop the call at the time,
but to find a way to cause them to never want to call you again.  Simply
putting down the 'phone or being rude to them can produce 'revenge'
calls.  Twice I've had a series of calls in the middle of the night, and
when you pick up the call it simply goes to a little recorded 'goodbye'
message.  (This was exceptionally annoying when we were worried about a
relative who was very sick in hospital.)  They are impossible for
British Telecom to trace, of course, but I recognised the voice on the
recording from other calls.

So this time I decided to go along with them, and was transferred at
once to her 'supervisor'.  I pretended to follow his directions, but
also put in lots of jokes and flirtatious remarks.  Anyone listening to
a recording would know at once that I was merely spoofing him, but as he
took it all seriously I continued.  A couple of times he wondered if I
was really entering his instructions, and I assured him I was - although
tapping the keys helped me to have honesty in my voice, I didn't tell
him that the computer was switched off, and I did make notes of what he
was asking me to do.  Of course, I could only guess what he might have
expected the computer screen to be showing.  Finally, he had a tantrum
and announced that he would strike my name from his list, so that no-one
would ever offer to help me again, and I would be left with the problems
still on my computer, then he cut off the call in a huff.  (Dearie,
dearie me!  And he must have wasted a good quarter of an hour on me,
during which he wasn't annoying anyone else either.)

Success!  There haven't been any calls since then, (several months ago);
and, as there never were any problems with my computer, I'm perfectly
satisfied with it.

Since then I've tried other sorts of acting to get rid of this kind of
repeat scam callers.  A good one is to keep saying Hello?  as though
you can't hear them, (I see this as revenge for the sort of call where
it is silent when you first pick up).  Another tactic is to pretend that
the line is very bad, that you can hear their voice but not what they
are saying, and ask them to call back another time - it's surprising how
often they never do.  (I developed this one when we really were having
trouble with the line, and a man was working away on the box at the end
of the road for two days.)

Maybe these will help others - does anyone else have any schemes that
have worked?  I'd really like to know!

Linda Walton,
(in High Wycombe, Buckinghamshire, U.K., where we've been having a
remarkably mild January, especially compared to last year's deep snow,
but this morning there was a heavy frost).


On 13/01/2012 12:19, Lesley Blackshaw wrote:
 On 13/01/2012 11:58, David C COLLYER wrote:
 Dear Friends,

 this afternoon about 4:00 o'clock I received an unusual phone call on
 my landline. A woman asked me whether I had looked at my computer
 management page as they'd sent me a number of messages lately telling
 me I was spreading trojans and worms. In wondered what she actually
 meant by computer management page?? 


 Variations of this call are our most frequent 'spam' phonecalls at the
 moment. In particular telling us that there are serious security issues
 with our Windows computers. When we say that we only have Macs the call
 is cut off; same thing happens if we say we don't have a computer. I did
 once let the guy waffle on for ages, pretending to input everything he
 asked me to (I was bored and putting off a job I didn't want to do).
 When he asked me what I could now see on my screen I spelled out T H I S
 I S A S C A M. That also resulted in the phone call ending somewhat
 abruptly.

 There are so many mallicious calls and emails these days, it's sometimes
 difficult to pick out genuine callers.

 Lesley
 Marple UK

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Re: [lace-chat] Warning

2012-01-14 Thread Malvary Cole
Linda wrote:   - does anyone else have any schemes that have worked? 
I'd really like to know!


One thing I've found works (sometimes) is asking to be put on their 'do not 
call' list.  We are able to register our phone numbers to a government 'do 
not call' list and I always ask them WHERE they are calling from (not what 
company) and if they are in Canada, I point out that they are contravening 
the law and if they want to continue with the call that is fine, but I'll 
have to report them and get them prosecuted.  They usually apologise for 
calling and hang up (we are quite polite in Canada!).


If the call is from the U.S. then that threat doesn't work, so I ask if they 
have a do not call list to put my number on.  If not, then I ask them to 
hang on because there is someone at the door.  Going back to them sometime 
later they've usually gone or if not, they are not getting very far with 
their marketing do I tell them they need to get another job because they are 
failing miserably at the one they've got.  Then I hang up.  One time I told 
the guy there was someone at the door and when I came back to the phone a 
few minutes later he was still going through his patter, so I put the phone 
down again.  After 10 minutes, I spoke and asked if he could repeat what he 
had said because I'd not heard a word because I'd been to the door and then 
had to go to the bathroom.  He hung up!


Malvary in Ottawa, where we have had 2 days of storms - freezing rain and 
snow - and the city ploughed the side street and mine  and dumped everything 
on the sidewalk along the front of my house.  The sidewalk plough has cut a 
path through and the end of my drive now has a 3ft high and about 4ft wide 
pile at the end of my drive, so I'm not going anywhere for a while.  It is 
also -20 with a windchill of -31. 


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RE: [lace-chat] Warning

2012-01-14 Thread Dora Smith
You know, since I got Vonage, they've never bugged me.   I think they can't
find me.  ;)

They haven't been bothering me low-powered T-Mobile cell phone number,
either.

I DO have both on the U.S. do not call list.   Once you put your name on
that, marketers can't call you, except under certain circumstances.   

They can call you if you've done business with their company in the past two
years.

Also, certain categories are exempt from the law.  Political campaigns can
call you, and market/ opinion research people can call you.   Usually if you
ask to be put on their own do not call lists they will comply.

There is actually a very simple way of dealing with them, unless you
actually enjoy picking up the phone and trying to give them indigestion,
which will really do more to give you indigestion, since they have a job to
do and thick skins.  I know as I've been them.  

Anyone who can't handle being yelled at by people has a different job.  Some
of them ARE forbidden to hang up on you, though, so they'll sit there and
listen to you cuss for as long as you wish to waste your breath.

And ESPECIALLY, don't trouble calling back to yell at who whose number you
don't recognize called your phone.  LOL!   Honestly!   If you don't want to
be bothered, don't answer the phone, and don't be bothered!

Get caller ID, and then don't pick up the phone if you don't know who's
calling.  If they've a legitimate reason to call you, they'll leave a
message on your voice mail, and you can call them back, and thereafter
you'll know who they are.  

My cell phone tells me who people are by name if I have them in my address
book.  

Dora

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From: owner-lace-c...@arachne.com [mailto:owner-lace-c...@arachne.com] On
Behalf Of Malvary Cole
Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2012 8:24 AM
To: Linda Walton; Lace Chat
Subject: Re: [lace-chat] Warning

Linda wrote:   - does anyone else have any schemes that have worked? 
I'd really like to know!

One thing I've found works (sometimes) is asking to be put on their 'do not 
call' list.  We are able to register our phone numbers to a government 'do 
not call' list and I always ask them WHERE they are calling from (not what 
company) and if they are in Canada, I point out that they are contravening 
the law and if they want to continue with the call that is fine, but I'll 
have to report them and get them prosecuted.  They usually apologise for 
calling and hang up (we are quite polite in Canada!).

If the call is from the U.S. then that threat doesn't work, so I ask if they

have a do not call list to put my number on.  If not, then I ask them to 
hang on because there is someone at the door.  Going back to them sometime 
later they've usually gone or if not, they are not getting very far with 
their marketing do I tell them they need to get another job because they are

failing miserably at the one they've got.  Then I hang up.  One time I told 
the guy there was someone at the door and when I came back to the phone a 
few minutes later he was still going through his patter, so I put the phone 
down again.  After 10 minutes, I spoke and asked if he could repeat what he 
had said because I'd not heard a word because I'd been to the door and then 
had to go to the bathroom.  He hung up!

Malvary in Ottawa, where we have had 2 days of storms - freezing rain and 
snow - and the city ploughed the side street and mine  and dumped everything

on the sidewalk along the front of my house.  The sidewalk plough has cut a 
path through and the end of my drive now has a 3ft high and about 4ft wide 
pile at the end of my drive, so I'm not going anywhere for a while.  It is 
also -20 with a windchill of -31. 

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[lace-chat] Warning

2012-01-14 Thread Jean Nathan
Being listed on the Telephone Preference Service in the UK, Do Not Call list 
in the US or whatever in other countries is no help if the company calling 
uses random dialling. Neither is being ex-directory (not listed) as we are. 
We've only had about 10 cold calls in the past 15 years.


I did have fun telling one caller to hold on a minute and left the phone for 
10 minutes before checking if she'd rung off. As soon as I put the phone 
back on the hook she called again saying we appeared to have been cut off, 
and I told her we hadn't, but I'd left the phone until she'd disconnected, 
and then I hung up again.. She called back a third time to tell me was 
pathetic for doing that; I pointed out that she was the pathetic one for 
bothering to phone back to tell me I was pathetic, and then I hung up. She 
didn't bother again.


I have asked how they got the number because I was ex-directory. In some 
cases I got an apology and the caller has rung off, others said it was 
random dialling so we couldn't stop it. On a couple of occasions I asked the 
person for their home phone number so I could call them at home at some time 
inconvenient to them.


Now I just either say nothing and leave the phone on the side for 10 minutes 
or just hang up immediately. Can't be bothered with games any more.


Jean in Poole, Dorset, UK 


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Re: [lace-chat] Warning

2012-01-14 Thread Malvary Cole
Dora wrote:  Also, certain categories are exempt from the law.  Political 
campaigns can call you, and market/ opinion research people can call you.


You can get rid of market/opinion research people by asking them how much 
they are going to pay you.  I have had a token payment from a couple of 
companies - if you don't ask you don't get.  Others say Oh, we don't pay 
anything.  and I reply Oh, my time if worth at least minimum wage. 
Good-bye.


Malvary in Ottawa where I spent 2 hours 20 minutes cleaning out the end of 
my driveway and my front path and that was with the help of a neighbour.  My 
snow-clearer chappie turned up, just as we had finished (of course!). 


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Re: [lace-chat] Warning

2012-01-14 Thread lizkenr8
I once got a telemarketer call from a woman who asked for me by name.  I had
received enough telemarketer calls that I didn't want to tell her I was who
she was asking for or not, so I asked who was calling.  She said she couldn't
tell me until she knew if it was me.  I said I couldn't acknowledge if that
person lived here or not until I knew who was calling.  She repeated she
couldn't say until she knew I was the person she asked for.  It went round and
round for at least 10 minutes.  I could tell she was getting frustrated, and I
was getting kind of bored with it so I hung up.

I almost always ask who is calling now.  We get a lot of automated calls now
and I have been putting them on a call blocker list, but they seem to have
millions of numbers they can call from, or else they have ways around the
blocker.  We screen some through our caller ID, but some you can't really tell
as Pay as you Go cell phones just come through as wireless caller.  The last
time someone called wanting money, I was very apologetic and started telling
them about my financial woes and bills and then said sorry and hung up.

Liz in breezy, chilly Missouri.



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From: Linda Walton linda.wal...@dsl.pipex.com
To: Lace Chat lace-chat@arachne.com
Sent: Sat, Jan 14, 2012 5:00 am
Subject: Re: [lace-chat] Warning


[with apologies for duplication to Lesley Blackshaw - when I sent this
esterday I was in a hurry to go out to an appointment and pressed on
reply' instead of 'reply all'  --  Linda]

 used to get these calls too, but I seem to have put a stop to them.
Crossed fingers!)
Like you, Lesley, one of these calls arrived on a day when I was
repared to waste time on it.  Usually I just told the girl that I
idn't have a computer, or to 'go phishing elsewhere' and the call would
e ended sharply, but a few days later there would be another one - very
iresome.  The main problem is not just to stop the call at the time,
ut to find a way to cause them to never want to call you again.  Simply
utting down the 'phone or being rude to them can produce 'revenge'
alls.  Twice I've had a series of calls in the middle of the night, and
hen you pick up the call it simply goes to a little recorded 'goodbye'
essage.  (This was exceptionally annoying when we were worried about a
elative who was very sick in hospital.)  They are impossible for
ritish Telecom to trace, of course, but I recognised the voice on the
ecording from other calls.
So this time I decided to go along with them, and was transferred at
nce to her 'supervisor'.  I pretended to follow his directions, but
lso put in lots of jokes and flirtatious remarks.  Anyone listening to
 recording would know at once that I was merely spoofing him, but as he
ook it all seriously I continued.  A couple of times he wondered if I
as really entering his instructions, and I assured him I was - although
apping the keys helped me to have honesty in my voice, I didn't tell
im that the computer was switched off, and I did make notes of what he
as asking me to do.  Of course, I could only guess what he might have
xpected the computer screen to be showing.  Finally, he had a tantrum
nd announced that he would strike my name from his list, so that no-one
ould ever offer to help me again, and I would be left with the problems
till on my computer, then he cut off the call in a huff.  (Dearie,
earie me!  And he must have wasted a good quarter of an hour on me,
uring which he wasn't annoying anyone else either.)
Success!  There haven't been any calls since then, (several months ago);
nd, as there never were any problems with my computer, I'm perfectly
atisfied with it.
Since then I've tried other sorts of acting to get rid of this kind of
epeat scam callers.  A good one is to keep saying Hello?  as though
ou can't hear them, (I see this as revenge for the sort of call where
t is silent when you first pick up).  Another tactic is to pretend that
he line is very bad, that you can hear their voice but not what they
re saying, and ask them to call back another time - it's surprising how
ften they never do.  (I developed this one when we really were having
rouble with the line, and a man was working away on the box at the end
f the road for two days.)
Maybe these will help others - does anyone else have any schemes that
ave worked?  I'd really like to know!
Linda Walton,
in High Wycombe, Buckinghamshire, U.K., where we've been having a
emarkably mild January, especially compared to last year's deep snow,
ut this morning there was a heavy frost).

n 13/01/2012 12:19, Lesley Blackshaw wrote:
 On 13/01/2012 11:58, David C COLLYER wrote:
 Dear Friends,

 this afternoon about 4:00 o'clock I received an unusual phone call on
 my landline. A woman asked me whether I had looked at my computer
 management page as they'd sent me a number of messages lately telling
 me I was spreading trojans and worms. In wondered what she actually
 meant by computer management page?? 


 Variations of this call are our

RE: [lace-chat] Warning

2012-01-14 Thread Sue
My son had numerous cold calls from double glazing salespersons, so to take
his revenge he pretended to be interested in what she was saying and she
went into a very heavy sales pitch about double glazing, when she said to
him  you will never have to paint your windows again he feigned shock
horror and told her  I take my holidays every year to paint up my house ,
what am I going to do if I don't have anything to paint ? after about 15
minutes of him rambling on about had she any suggestions of what he could do
with his holiday time, the penny suddenly dropped and she slammed the phone
down in a huff, funny he hasn't been bothered since.

Sue M Harvey
Norfolk UK

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[lace-chat] Warning on poisons

2007-05-10 Thread Jean Nathan

Cindy wrote:

Please, add Hydrangeas to your list of dangerous indoor flowers.  I shudder 
to

think of what might have happened to a human toddler!

I got a book on poisonous plants back in the early 1970s mainly because the 
owner of the stables where we kept our horses wasn't very good at 
controlling weeds (being plants growing where they shouldn't). Apart from 
too many buttercups in hay and ragwort in fields, part of the grounds had 
been a garden, and many garden plants are poisonous to horses and/or cattle. 
Different parts of plants at different stages of ripeness can be poisonous.


Many plants can be poisonous to any one or more of cats, dogs, humans, 
horses, cows, etc, so whereever we'd lived since then I've always dug up and 
burnt any which are likely to cause problems.


I prefer plants to be living, so I don't have cut flowers - prefer silk ones 
indoors for decoration.


Hope your dog gets better soon.

Jean in Poole 


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[lace-chat] Warning - Lace supplier site hacked

2006-07-20 Thread chh
Dear Spiders -

I just got a call from The Lacemaker (Courtland, Ohio) and was told that their
site had been hacked (actually their host) and that financial information had
been stolen.  Evidently, several customers had activity on their credit card
accounts and to be safe, they were calling everyone who had ordered through
the web site.

I immediately called my bank and thankfully, there was no illegal activity on
my account but because I had used a debit VISA, the thieves would have had
access to my main checking account.  My banker canceled my card number and has
reissued it with a new number.  I was lucky because the only thing I have to
do is put up with the minor hassle of waiting for a new card but I thought I
should spread the word as fast as possible to all lacemakers who might have
ordered from them on line.

I don't want to besmirch the reputation of the Lacemaker because, in truth, it
could happen to any site that sells on line.  I will, however, only shop from
now on at sites that use a nationally recognized Safe Sales check-out.

Be warned and check your accounts, especially those of you headed to Canada!

May your threads never tangle,
Cindy

Cindy Hutton
Norfolk, Virginia  USA

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Re: [lace-chat] Warning - Lace supplier site hacked

2006-07-20 Thread Martha Krieg
And another warning to those heading to Canada: My daughter and I 
went to Montreal this February, expecting to be able to withdraw 
money at the ATMs at the roadside rests. However, our credit union 
stopped using the CIRRUS network, and that was the only network that 
those machines worked with! Had we realized what a problem this was 
going to be, we would have checked earlier which banks we could use. 
Fortunately I had some cash, and most people would take either 
American dollars or a credit card


At 11:40 AM -0400 7/20/06, chh wrote:

Dear Spiders -

I just got a call from The Lacemaker (Courtland, Ohio) and was told that their
site had been hacked (actually their host) and that financial information had
been stolen.  Evidently, several customers had activity on their credit card
accounts and to be safe, they were calling everyone who had ordered through
the web site.

I immediately called my bank and thankfully, there was no illegal activity on
my account but because I had used a debit VISA, the thieves would have had
access to my main checking account.  My banker canceled my card number and has
reissued it with a new number.  I was lucky because the only thing I have to
do is put up with the minor hassle of waiting for a new card but I thought I
should spread the word as fast as possible to all lacemakers who might have
ordered from them on line.

I don't want to besmirch the reputation of the Lacemaker because, in truth, it
could happen to any site that sells on line.  I will, however, only shop from
now on at sites that use a nationally recognized Safe Sales check-out.

Be warned and check your accounts, especially those of you headed to Canada!

May your threads never tangle,
Cindy

Cindy Hutton
Norfolk, Virginia  USA

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[lace-chat] Warning to ebayers

2005-04-27 Thread Jean Nathan
Thought this warning was very important to cross post to warn anyone who 
buys on ebay of a new type of scam rmail that I got yesterday. It was 
supposedly from a seller, although it started 'Dear seller', asking if I was 
still interested in their item. It had a link identical to the real ones 
which go to an item for sale, and when clicked on led to a genuine-looking 
sign-in page, which you are sometimes adked to do. I closed that, went to 
ebay in the usual way and searched for the item number - it didn't exist.

I forwarded the email to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and they've confirmed that it was 
a scam email.

What alerted me to it being phishing was that:
(1) It started 'Dear seller', when it should have been 'buyer'.
(2) I've not bid on anything I haven't won in the last couple of weeks, and 
I haven't asked a seller a question so I haven't expressed interest in 
anything.
(3) The sign-in page the link led to started hhtp://www.181.10... , 
which isn't how the address of genuine ebay sites start.

The email looked right in every other way, using ebay's text and logos.
If you've been caught by this one, and entered your details, change your 
password now, and contact ebay.

Jean in Poole 

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[lace-chat] :) warning

2005-01-11 Thread Bev Walker
begin quote
DEER TICK WARNING


I hate it when people forward bogus warnings...but this one is real, and
it's important. So please send this warning to everyone on your e-mail
list:

If someone comes to your front door saying they are conducting a survey on
deer ticks and asks you to take your clothes off and dance around with your
arms up, DO NOT DO IT!!

IT IS A SCAM; they only want to see you naked.

I wish I'd gotten this yesterday. I feel so stupid now.

end quote

bye for now
Bev in Sooke, BC (on Vancouver Island, west coast of Canada)
Cdn. floral bobbins
www.woodhavenbobbins.com

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[lace-chat] Warning of Mobile Telephone Sting

2004-02-20 Thread Jean Nathan
Julie wrote:

If you call this
number back, you will be charged £50.00 per minute. 

They'd have trouble charging me that. Mine's a pay as you go, not a billed
one, and I only put 10 pounds on at a time. There's currently 3 pounds 26 on
it, so that's all they could sting me for. In any case I wouldn't phone
anyone back unless it was DH, SIL or FIL as they're the only ones with the
number. I only use it for emergencies like phoning DH from the supermarket
to ask what he wants for tea :-D. No really it's fo letting him know if I'm
going to be held up or if the car was to break down so I could call roadside
assistance. I have no intention of frying my brain.

Jean in Poole

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