RE: [lace-chat] Names and titles
David, You may not be sure, but I am. Definitely female. Which would probably explain why I hate Miss, Mrs and Ms, but I do see how things can get confusing when I insist on Mr. Believe me, no one who sees me doubts my gender, which is why so many people refuse to call me Mr. So, with me not answering to Miss, Ms or Mrs, and most people refusing to call me Mr, I end up being called Lise and Lise-Aurore a lot. Which is actually quite fine with me. And, in case you are wondering, both Lise and Aurore are feminine names in French. Now you have me wondering. If I dressed differently, and had really short hair, could I pass myself off as a man Hum, would be difficult, what would I do with that chest Worth a chuckle!!! And I'm just kidding. I am female, and have no intention of hiding it. Lise-Aurore In beautiful sunny, 22C Ottawa. Glorious day!!! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David in Ballarat Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 12:24 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [lace-chat] Names and titles >Dear Lise-Aurore, >And then, there's the usage in French, where I am referred to as Madame >le docteur. I'm not to crazy about that, but it is difficult to make >people believe that I'm a Monsieur. I was rather distressed this >spring, when everyone in France seemed to want to call me Mademoiselle. >How very insulting I did speak up, and insisted on Monsieur. Having read your complicated email, I now really have no idea what gender you are. I had always assumed you were female, but now am not so sure. I really don't care anyway! To me you're just another lace-maker :) who probably walks on 2 legs and writes English at least. David in Ballarat >Lise-Aurore > >Lise-Aurore Lapalme, PhD >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >(613) 995-9065 >facsimile/télécopieur (613) 992-8581 >Natural Resources Canada/Ressources naturelles Canada 580 Booth, >Ottawa, Ontario K1A 0E4 Government of Canada/Gouvernement du Canada > >To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: >unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to >[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] Names and titles
"My lover" is quite common in Bath. It may sound strange, but it's normally said with a really thick burr and is just used instead of "love" or "dear". I don't mind the name being used as long as it's being used almost out of habit, not in any sort of "little woman" way. Title/name-wise I'm simply Helen Tucker. I'll answer to Miss Tucker if you want, but I prefer Helen. I went for a hospital appointment once where the convention was to call any grown-up woman Mrs Surname. Unfortunately, they hadn't told me that and spent quite a while calling for Mrs Tucker before I realised that they might mean me. Mrs Tucker is my mum or my gran, not me! While I was at uni, there seemed to be a fairly even split of those who you called Dr/Professor Whatever and those that preferred to be known by their first name. However, during the short time I spent at UCL in London, they were all referred to by title, possibly just because of the more formal feel to the university. I'm currently working at one of the local hospitals and am having fun trying to work out how to refer to the varying levels of doctors. Most of the 1st & 2nd year doctors (the house officers) are much the same age as me and I feel silly calling them Dr so I don't tend to. The registrars and consultants are different though and I always use Dr or Mr unless they tell me not to. Interestingly enough, female consultant surgeons are always Miss, never Mrs (I have no idea what surname they might use though if they are married) Back to the original thing about wives taking their husbands names. I do know that if a letter comes to Mrs SP Tucker then its for my mum but the nearest I've seen recently is Mr & Mrs SP Tucker rather than Mr SP & Mrs BA Tucker. Personally, I'd change my surname when I marry, but, depending on job, might keep my maiden name at work At 22:13 28/08/2006, Jean Nathan wrote: Carol wrote: In some areas you could be called be called by the not-intended-to-be-derogatory term of "chuck" or "lass", and in Scotland "hen". I'm sure there are lots more, but these spring immediately to mind. Jean in Poole, Dorset, UK Helen, Somerset, UK "Forget the formulae, let's make lace" -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.6/428 - Release Date: 25/08/2006 To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Names and titles
Carol wrote: In some areas you could be called be called by the not-intended-to-be-derogatory term of "chuck" or "lass", and in Scotland "hen". I'm sure there are lots more, but these spring immediately to mind. Jean in Poole, Dorset, UK To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] Names and titles
Dear Lise-Aurore, And then, there's the usage in French, where I am referred to as Madame le docteur. I'm not to crazy about that, but it is difficult to make people believe that I'm a Monsieur. I was rather distressed this spring, when everyone in France seemed to want to call me Mademoiselle. How very insulting I did speak up, and insisted on Monsieur. Having read your complicated email, I now really have no idea what gender you are. I had always assumed you were female, but now am not so sure. I really don't care anyway! To me you're just another lace-maker :) who probably walks on 2 legs and writes English at least. David in Ballarat Lise-Aurore Lise-Aurore Lapalme, PhD [EMAIL PROTECTED] (613) 995-9065 facsimile/télécopieur (613) 992-8581 Natural Resources Canada/Ressources naturelles Canada 580 Booth, Ottawa, Ontario K1A 0E4 Government of Canada/Gouvernement du Canada To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Names and titles
Wow! What an interesting thread. Personally, I cannot abide being called Miss, Mrs or Ms. Never could, before marriage, during marriage, or after, always hated them, from as far back as I can remember. I see them as sexist and degrading to women, since their sole purpose is to indicate marriage status. Where are the male titles that indicate marriage status? Oh, I know that Ms was originally designed to be used as Mr., but that is not what happened. As far as I'm concerned, there should be one title that indicates adult human being, and one that indicates young human being. Mr. works as an adult human being title for me. Yes, there have been some interesting episodes when I stood in front of people and asked to be addressed as Mr, but I take this immensely seriously. While I was married, my name was hyphenated. If people did not pronounce both names, I didn't answer. If people used his first name in referring to me, I didn't answer. I answered to my name only. Since he worked with the Canadian and American military, you can imagine the difficulties I had. On the other hand, I have never really cared if people want to use the full first name, or just half. Lots of people have difficulty pronouncing Aurore, so I don't mind being called Lise, or Lise-Aurore. I have since partly solved the title problem. Having completely a PhD, when asked my title, I use Dr. Nice, not sexist, has no marriage status or gender connotations. I like it. But, there remains the problem of many forms, especially the ones you fill in electronically, that do not recognize Dr. In those cases, I either refuse to fill in the form and send a message to the administrator, or fill in the form with Mr. and then send a message to the administrator. And then there are the people, like my mother, who insist that I have no right to the title Dr. because I am not a medical practitioner. And then, there's the usage in French, where I am referred to as Madame le docteur. I'm not to crazy about that, but it is difficult to make people believe that I'm a Monsieur. I was rather distressed this spring, when everyone in France seemed to want to call me Mademoiselle. How very insulting I did speak up, and insisted on Monsieur. Lise-Aurore Lise-Aurore Lapalme, PhD [EMAIL PROTECTED] (613) 995-9065 facsimile/télécopieur (613) 992-8581 Natural Resources Canada/Ressources naturelles Canada 580 Booth, Ottawa, Ontario K1A 0E4 Government of Canada/Gouvernement du Canada To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [lace-chat] Names and titles
This made me smile. Our income tax forms come with preprinted name and address labels (the tax preparer must fill out the rest -- this is, of course, predating computerized tax preparation). I have always prepared our taxes, so many years ago I changed the order of our names, with me listed first, on both state and federal taxes. The IRS was apparently happy with this arrangement and ever after put my name first. But no matter how many times over the years I put my name first on the tax form for the state of Massachusetts, they *always* changed it back next year to listing my husband first! For the last five or so years I've used a computerized tax preparation program, it never messes with me. ;-) Carolyn Carolyn Hastings Stow, MA USA > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf > Of Jean Nathan > Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2006 3:41 AM > To: Chat > Subject: [lace-chat] Names and titles > > Firstly, it never occurred to me to give my own details as Mrs William > Nathan to anyone, or to be known as that. The only time it's use is if > something is address to us both, and even then on our local tax bill, the > account is Mr William E Nathan and Mrs Jean E Nathan. Since marriage I've > always been Mrs Jean Nathan or just Jean Nathan. > > Also on what Alice wrote: > > annoyed in a medical office when a young twerp of a > girl would call me Alice. I have since noticed that's > it's commonly done in various medical offices. Once > in a while they will use the full name but usually > it's just the first name. > > > Last time I was in hospital, on admission I was asked how I wanted to be > addressed by staff. > > Last week I went for my usual monthly blood test, and while everyone else > booking in was asked to confirm the details on the test form and who their > General Practitioner was, when I handed my form in the receptionist look up > and said I assume it's the same as always." before she'd even read the name > on he form. When you consider that about 3,000 tests are done a week, I'm > still amazed that she and most of the phlebotomists know who I am by sight. > They all call me Mrs Nathan. > > Jean in Poole, Dorset, UK > > To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: > unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] names and titles
My husband has five sisters and two younger brothers. Since one brother is only a little older than my sons, the title of "uncle" is not always used. Anyway, being that my older son, when small, saw his five aunts more often than his other uncle, he was in the habit of using the title "aunt." Thus, when he did see his uncle, he was also called "aunt." As a teacher, my students call me "Mrs. Sylvie." I've been known by that for so long that I've haven't had any luck getting them to call me by my last name, as other US teachers are. But, then I don't mind. Outside of my workplace, I do not use "Mrs." Among my husband's family and my family members, about half of the women have changed their last names. Others use combinations of last names, as I tend to do. I never write all of my names, as I have too many. Sylvie A. Roy Nguyen (there are more) Cherry Valley, IL, USA __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Names and titles
Firstly, it never occurred to me to give my own details as Mrs William Nathan to anyone, or to be known as that. The only time it's use is if something is address to us both, and even then on our local tax bill, the account is Mr William E Nathan and Mrs Jean E Nathan. Since marriage I've always been Mrs Jean Nathan or just Jean Nathan. Also on what Alice wrote: Last time I was in hospital, on admission I was asked how I wanted to be addressed by staff. Last week I went for my usual monthly blood test, and while everyone else booking in was asked to confirm the details on the test form and who their General Practitioner was, when I handed my form in the receptionist look up and said I assume it's the same as always." before she'd even read the name on he form. When you consider that about 3,000 tests are done a week, I'm still amazed that she and most of the phlebotomists know who I am by sight. They all call me Mrs Nathan. Jean in Poole, Dorset, UK To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Names and titles
Seeing all these comments about married women being addressed by their husbands name prefixed with Mrs set off one of my pet niggles. My family background is Quaker, and I taught to address people by their given name & family name and not to use titles as everyone is equal, and using titles denote inequality. For myself I only ever use my given name & family name, Rosemary Naish, and normally this is acceptable, except when you come to a computer. Most systems seem to insist on using a title, so I always use the default, which is normally set to "Mr" - this does seem to upset a lot of sales assistants, bank clerks etc, but I think it just shows how out of date and ridiculous the whole system of courtsey titles is. What I have no problem with is titles that have been earned, like Doctor, Professor, etc. What do other people think? Rosemary, Somerset To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
