[lace-chat] Richard III's remains identified!!
I immediately thought of the Josephine Tey book, too. A great story, - I must see if the library still has a copy, so I can re read it! Brother Caedfel stories were Great too. If the remains ere found near Leicester Cathedral, maybe they own the car park, so can lay claim to the remains. I believe an item I heard over here said it was once a monastery or something like that, so he was buried in possibly consecrated ground of that time,. This may give the local cathedral first claim on the remains. I find it quite amazing though, that they can find and identify these bones, and even trace a family descendant! Regards from Liz in hot, sunny, Melbourne, Oz. lizl...@bigpond.com To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace-chat] Richard III's remains identified!!
At 04:39 AM 5/02/2013, dmt11h...@aol.com wrote: OK, so am I the only person who wants to see an analysis of the DNA of the bodies found in the Tower a few years ago, thought to be the Little Princes? No you are definitely NOT alone in that desire. I've read a number of fiction based on fact novels about them and most don't put the blame on Richard III at all. I prefer Sharon Penman's Duke of Buckingham theory. David in Ballarat, AUS To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace-chat] Richard III's remains identified!!
Jane, Hi All, I see no one mentioned Daughter of Time by Josephine Tey. It's a mystery story about Richard III and it says he did not kill the little princes. I'll have to get it out, it's been a while since I read it. Do you recall who she did blame? Penman was very convincing with her Duke of Buckingham theory. But I have read another - possibly by Philippa Gregory which blamed someone else. I for one really like Richard III - well at least he seems to have actually been in love with his wife and his marriage was NOT an arrange one. David in Ballarat, AUS To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
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Hi David and All, Josephine Tey seems to blame Henry VII. The book also mentions books by Buck in the seventeenth century, Horace Walpole in the 18th and Markham in the 19th century that claim Richard III didn't kill the Little Princes! Guess that's why I thought it was real! Very interesting! Jane in Vermont, USA Jane, Hi All, I see no one mentioned Daughter of Time by Josephine Tey. It's a mystery story about Richard III and it says he did not kill the little princes. I'll have to get it out, it's been a while since I read it. Do you recall who she did blame? Penman was very convincing with her Duke of Buckingham theory. But I have read another - possibly by Philippa Gregory which blamed someone else. I for one really like Richard III - well at least he seems to have actually been in love with his wife and his marriage was NOT an arrange one. David in Ballarat, AUS To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace-chat] Richard III's remains identified
It's appeared on our news today that funding is now being sought to excavate a grave in a Winchester church to see if it contains the remains of Alfred the Great. He reigned from 871 to 899. They think there are five skulls and other bones in the grave, but it will be even more difficult to find a living descendant to provide a DNA sample for comparison. York Minster has written to the Queen to request that Richard III be reburied in York Minster because he was crowned there. his son is buried there and several other reasons, but permission was given to exhume the skeleton at Leicester on the proviso that it was reburied in Leicester and by August 2013. Jean in Poole, Dorset, UK To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
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York Minster has written to the Queen to request that Richard III be reburied in York Minster because he was crowned there. his son is buried there and several other reasons, but permission was given to exhume the skeleton at Leicester on the proviso that it was reburied in Leicester and by August 2013. Could an ignorant colonial ask, Why not Westminster? Devon To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
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One of the major considerations is that all the proposed burial places are Anglican, and Richard was a pre-reformation Catholic. Â Therein lies a dilemma Jill Sent from Samsung Mobile on O2 To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace-chat] Richard III's remains identified
The problem is that the condition for granting the exhumation was that the remains be buried in Leicester and by August 2013. Here at least you can't just go around digging up bones no matter how old they are - there are formalities that have to be gone through and permission has to be granted. Presumably whoever granted the permission for the exhumation would also have to agree to a change to the place of reburial and getting the Queen's permission might add weight to a request for a change, although he isn't one of her ancestors. He was the last king of the House of York (but isn't the same person as Richard of York; he was Richard III's father), and has no connection with Westminster. That's why York thinks they have a claim on the skeleton and I can see lengthy legal action by York Minster to get it changed which would be a shame to make it into a circus. Jean in Poole, Dorset, UK To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
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I was fascinated by the BBC write up of this find: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leicestershire-21063882 Sue sueba...@comcast.net To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
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Hi David: I think they talk about Shakespeare as having created the humpback, the withered arm, plus he did a hatchet-job on Richard III's character. I wonder if in Shakespeare's day they would have seen the scoliosis (which developed on during Richard's adolescence) as an outward sign of the evil within - absolutely tailor-made for emotional drama! Interesting that the descendent of Richard's family that they found, Michael Ibsen, was the last in the line. This type of DNA goes from a mother to all of her children, male and female, but only descends further through the female - men don't pass it on. Michael Ibsen has a sister but she has no children. So - one generation more and they wouldn't have had any descendant to compare DNA with. Adele North Vancouver, BC (west coast of Canada) Dear Friends, I find this new archaeological discovery just fascinating. The use of DNA technology seems to be going ahead in leaps and bounds. Hope this tiny URL works for you:- http://tinyurl.com/anryorr My only concern is that from my extensive reading on Richard III, authors have lead me to understand that the myth of his scoliosis was created by Shakespeare, but perhaps that was merely the withered arm. David in Ballarat, AUS To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
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OK, so am I the only person who wants to see an analysis of the DNA of the bodies found in the Tower a few years ago, thought to be the Little Princes? Devon To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace-chat] Richard III's remains identified
I switched on BBC News Channel on the TV especially to watch the announcement. Scientists with specialities in the identification each gave a presentation before the announcement that the remains are those of Richard III. It was extremely interesting to hear how the work they had done and the evidence they had considered, with graphics and photographs had led to the conclusion - until the BBC decided to interrupt it for breaking news - MP Chris Huhne had changed his plea to guilty over asking his then wife to take penalty points for speeding for him on her driving license! Since when was an MP lying news? I was so cross that they'd interrupted something so historic for that! They went back to the press conference for Richard III, only to interrupt it again for an update on the Chris Huhne situation. Fortunately they went back to the press conference for the actual announcement that the remains are those of Richard III and that they will be re-interred in Leicester Cathedral. Absolutely brilliant. Jean in Poole, Dorset, UK To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
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I seem to remember reading, or hearing, that almost contemporary historians (to Richard III) began a hatchet job on him very soon after he died and Shakespeare followed that line of thought/propaganda. Patricia in Wales To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
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Hi All, I see no one mentioned Daughter of Time by Josephine Tey. It's a mystery story about Richard III and it says he did not kill the little princes. I'll have to get it out, it's been a while since I read it. Really good and for some reason I thought it was true. Thanks David, really interestingg!! Jane in Vermont, USA where the snow cover has mostly melted. We've had snow but (so far) not like usual. We're glad about that - DH's 4-wheeler and plow were stolen last June@ jvik...@sover.net To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
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No, I'd be very interested, too. On 2/4/13 12:39 PM, dmt11h...@aol.com wrote: OK, so am I the only person who wants to see an analysis of the DNA of the bodies found in the Tower a few years ago, thought to be the Little Princes? Devon To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/ -- Martha Krieg Michigan USA God expects spiritual fruits, not religious nuts. To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
