Re: L&I Cops Conclude Mass Murder in Ind.
Sue Hartigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hi Vi: That is the closest that I ever came to a serial murderer, actually any murderer. I guess he was a serial murderer, and I only came in contact with the victims, not him. Believe me I never, ever, want to repeat that experience again for the rest of my life. Sue > > Hi Sue, > > Juan Corona. Now there was a sickie big time. The DP in his case was > quite appropriate. Too bad, though, that you were subjected to his > "Little Shop of Horrors." > > Vi -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
L&I Jokes for Wednesday
Sue Hartigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: A fire started on some grassland near a farm in Indiana. The fire department from the nearby town was called to put the fire out. The fire proved to be more than the small town fire department could handle, so someone suggested that a rural volunteer fire department be called. Though there was doubt that they would be of any assistance, the call was made. The volunteer fire department arrived in a dilapidated old fire truck. They drove straight towards the fire and stopped in the middle of the flames. The volunteer firemen jumped off the truck and frantically started spraying water in all directions. Soon they had snuffed out the center of the fire, breaking the blaze into two easily controllable parts. The farmer was so impressed with the volunteer fire department's work and so grateful that his farm had been spared, that he presented the volunteer fire department with a check for $1000. A local news reporter asked the volunteer fire captain what the department planned to do with the funds. "That should be obvious," he responded, "the first thing we're gonna do is get the brakes fixed on that stupid fire truck." -- A cowboy rode into town and stopped at the saloon for a drink. Unfortunately, the locals always had a habit of picking on newcomers. When he finished, he found his horse had been stolen. He comes back into the bar, handily flips his gun into the air, catches it above his head without even looking and fires a shot into the ceiling. "Who stole my horse?" he yelled with surprising forcefulness. No one answered. "I'm gonna have another beer and if my horse ain't back outside by the time I'm finished, I'm gonna do what I dun back in Texas and I don't want to have to do what I dun back in Texas!" Some of the locals shifted restlessly. He had another beer, walked outside, and his horse was back! He saddled up and started to ride out of town. The bartender wandered out of the bar and asked, "Say partner, what happened in Texas?" The cowboy turned back and said, "I had to walk home!" A cowboy runs into a bar and says to the bartender, "Give me twenty shots of your best scotch, quick!" The bartender pours out the shots, and the cowboy drinks them as fast as he can. The bartender says, "Wow. I never saw anybody drink that fast." The cowboy replies, "Well, you'd drink that fast too if you had what I have." The bartender says "Oh my God! What is it? What do you have?" "I have. only fifty cents!" --- There was a job opening in the countrys most prestigious law firm and it finally comes down to Robert and Paul. Both graduated magna cum laude from law school. Both come from good families. Both are equally attractive and well spoken. Its up to the senior partner to choose one, so he takes ech aside and asks, Why did you become a lawyer? In seconds, he chooses Paul. Baffled, Robert takes Paul aside. I dont understand why I was rejected. When Mr. Armstrong asked me why I became a lawyer, I said that I had the greatest respect for the law, that Id lay down my life for the Constitution and that all I wanted was to do right by my clients. What in the world did you tell him? I said I became a lawyer because of my hands, Robert replies. Your hands? What do you mean? Well, I took a look one day and there wasnt any money in either of them! - TO: Honorable Secretary of Agriculture Washington, D.C. Dear Sir; My friend, Ed Peterson, over at Wells Iowa, received a check for $1,000 from the government for not raising hogs. So, I want to go into the "not raising hogs" business next year. What I want to know is, in your opinion, what is the best kind of farm not to raise hogs on, and what is the best breed of hogs not to raise? I want to be sure that I approach this endeavor in keeping with all governmental policies. I would prefer not to raise razorbacks, but if that is not a good breed not to raise, then I will just as gladly not raise Yorkshires or Durocs. As I see it, the hardest part of this program will be in keeping an accurate inventory of how many hogs I haven't raised. My friend, Peterson, is very joyful about the future of the business. He has been raising hogs for twenty years or so, and the best he ever made on them was $422 in 1968, until this year when he got your check for $1000 for not raising hogs. If I get $1000 for not raising 50 hogs, will I get $2000 for not raising 100 hogs? I plan to operate on a small scale at first, holding myself down to about 4000 hogs not raised, which will mean about $80,000 the first year. Then I can afford an airplane. Now another thing, these hogs I will not raise will not eat 100,000 bushels of corn. I understand that you also pay farmers for not raising corn and wheat. Will I qualify for payments fo
Re: L&I Welcome to two members
Jackie Fellows <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hi Kelly and Mike Welcome aboard!! Hope you enjoy the list. jackief Kathy E wrote: > Kathy E <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Hi all :) Please welcome Mike and Kelly to the law list :) > > Mike sent me the Noe Update that I posted to the list and he then > joined the list to answer any questions anyone has concerning this :) > > Kelly is a friend of mine that used to lurk on this list but she had to > unsub during finals. She has now rejoined us :) > > I hope the two of you enjoy the list, if you have any questions feel > free to ask :) > -- > Kathy E > "I can only please one person a day, today is NOT your day, and tomorrow > isn't looking too good for you either" > http://members.delphi.com/kathylaw/ Law & Issues Mailing List > http://pw1.netcom.com/~kathye/rodeo.html - Cowboy Histories > http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Lobby/2990/law.htm Crime photo's > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues -- In the sociology room the children learn that even dreams are colored by your perspective I toss and turn all night.Theresa Burns, "The Sociology Room" Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: Jonesboro--guns was L&I Jones Appeal Difficult, But Not Impossible
Jackie Fellows <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hi Terry The neighbors like the dogs--beside the insurance was before we moved into this place. It may be regional, but we were told we would have to pay higher rates if we owned a German Shepard, a pit bull, a rothweiler, or a Doberman. And, Dobe and chows are no harder to read than other dogs, really (at least if you are a dog person). Dobermans do not appear friendly when their ears are cropped--but just see one with a lop-eared or ears that don't stand--they look very friendly. The cropping is done for more than one reason--alert, aloof appearance being one. Many dogs have a bad "rap" when it is the owners who are the problem not the breed of the dog as you know with owning a German Shepard. But it is interesting to know that our part of the country may have different regulations for insurance and something that may be worth looking into on our part. So thanks for the info. jackief [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > Hi Sue and Jackie, > > It may just be a peculiarity of Jackie's insurance company. Or maybe it is > regional. We have a German Shepherd pup that will not raise our rates. If > we had a pit bull it would not either but I am told if we lived in New York > City rather than upstate we would pay dearly for insurance on a pit bull > because of the New York City ordinances. I would guess Jackie's neighbors > don't like dogs. > > I have never had trouble with pit bulls. Unlike, say, dobermans they always > seemed quite friendly. Dobermans (and chows) are hard to read. > > >Sue Hartigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > >Hi Jackie: > > > >It must be a state thing, because we have a Chow with an attitude. They > >are rated up there as being not too nice with outsiders, and we don't > >pay extra on the insurance for her. In fact I don't even remember being > >asked if we had a dog or not. > > > >Sue > >> Hi Ron > >> > >> That is because you don't have one of the guard breeds. We are > >> automatically jumped up for insurance just because of the breed--doesn't > >> matter if they are trained or anything. They might bite a robber so > >> therefore we pay more. We can't list them as an alarm system even though > >> our system works before the robber enters :( > >> > >> jackief > > > > > Best, Terry > > "Lawyer - one trained to circumvent the law" - The Devil's Dictionary > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues -- In the sociology room the children learn that even dreams are colored by your perspective I toss and turn all night.Theresa Burns, "The Sociology Room" Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: [Fwd: L&I Noe: Update]
Jackie Fellows <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >Hi Ron > > > >Yes, but there is also a common phrase in statistics--when you see an outlier, > >it is best to examine it closely--it may hold the key to a lot of things we > >don't understand at the present time. It seems that in the medical profession > >it is the anomaly that often leads to discoveries in medicine, just like in any > >other area of life. I guess just because it looks like a duck and sounds > like >a >duck, it doesn't mean automatically it is a duck. > > > >jackief > > IOW there really is a platypus. > > When it was first described it was considered hilarious. > Best, Terry > Hi Terry You got it!! jackief > "Lawyer - one trained to circumvent the law" - The Devil's Dictionary > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues -- In the sociology room the children learn that even dreams are colored by your perspective I toss and turn all night.Theresa Burns, "The Sociology Room" Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: L&I Justice
"Joan Moyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hello Terry, With all the hatred in today's world, there is nothing wrong with being humane. Joan -- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: L&I Justice > Date: Wednesday, April 29, 1998 10:22 PM > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > >"Joan Moyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > >Hello Terry, > > > >I agree that trials do not seem to be a search for the truth, mores the > >pity. However, from all I've read and heard there seems to be a long time > >between sentencing and the death penalty actually being carried out. Isn't > >it usually many years? > > Remember, Joan, that the most notorious case of prosecutor misconduct in > this country currently which sent two men to death row was a cause celebre > used to limit the appeals process. And the appeals process very seldom > looks at evidence of innocence. They are mostly in interested in the famous > procedural error which often has nothing whatever to do with guilt or > innocence. One man went to his death with the Supreme Court agreeing that > such evidence didn't matter. It was too late. > > >I certainly agree there is no excuse for killing innocent people. > > Then it is illogical to favor the death penalty. > > >How would you feel about the DP if you were sure there > >had not been a miscarriage of justice and no innocent person would be > >executed? > > > > Joan > > I shed no tears whatever for Ted Bundy. I think it will be just fine when > Richard C. Harris is put out of his misery. I am sorry Pol Pot died before > they hanged him. > > Being a bleeding heart liberal doesn't mean you don't have normal human > emotions. > Best, Terry > > "Lawyer - one trained to circumvent the law" - The Devil's Dictionary > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: L&I The Rodney King Beating - The Other Story part two
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Viola Provenzano) writes: Hi Bill, I cannot disagree with your premise that the lowest of criminal felons has basic legal rights, but feel certain that it does not apply in the RK case. King did resist arrest by repeatedly trying to get up after he was on the ground and the cops did what they had to do to be sure he wassubdued IMO. These are not "rogue cops". I do not believe you or I would have done any differently under the circumstances. To ruin police officers lives for trying to do their job because public opinion is running against them as a result of a video taken during the most heated part of the arrest is surely the most tragic aspect of this incident. "What the world needs more of is not love, but justice." Anon. __ You wrote: . . .<<>>. . . _ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: L&I Back Home
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Viola Provenzano) writes: Hi Bill, Protest all you want, my friend, it won't change anything. And do you honestly believe there has been much change where Civil and Women's rights are concerned? The only changes are those effected by government policy and policing. As Eisenhower once said, until you can change the human heart you will never effectively change social behavior Vi "What the world needs more of is not love, but justice." Anon. __ _ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: Attachment Disorder was L&I Jones Appeal Difficult, But Not Impossible
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Viola Provenzano) writes: Hi Sue, There was no way this kid could be helped. His adopted family tried everything. He must have been brain damaged before he was abandoned by his original family. Vi "What the world needs more of is not love, but justice." Anon. __ You wrote: <<>> _ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: L&I All members please read
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Viola Provenzano) writes: Hi Kathy, So sorry to hear you are making a temporary departure. Filling your shoes is going to be a formidable task. Vi "What the world needs more of is not love, but justice." Anon. __ You wrote: <<>> _ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: L&I A Second Computer
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Viola Provenzano) writes: Hi Joan, I have heard only good things about both. I suppose Consumer Report would point up any slight differences. Vi "What the world needs more of is not love, but justice." Anon. __ You wrote: <<>> _ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
L&I Woman Accused of Endangering Sons
Sue Hartigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: How would this be a federal charge, does anyone know? Sue Woman Accused of Endangering Sons > SAN ANTONIO (AP) -- A 31-year-old mother, already under > investigation in the deaths of two sons, was arrested > on federal charges of injuring and endangering two > other sons. > > Hours after her arrest, Cynthia Martinez Lyda was > released Wednesday on $50,000 bond and ordered to wear > an electronic monitor. > > Authorities said the arrest culminated an investigation > that began almost 3 1/2 years ago when they suspected > that Ms. Lyda had Munchausen's syndrome by proxy, a > rare disorder in which mothers and other caregivers > cause illnesses and trauma in children to gain > admiration and respect as devoted caregivers. > > The arrest came as Ms. Lyda began civil proceedings to > be reunited with a 1-month-old son. Because of her > diagnosis and the long history of unexplained injuries > and deaths of her children, the state took the > 1-month-old and his 16-month-old brother from her at > birth. The boys live with a foster family. > > The woman's attorneys contend that she doesn't suffer > from the rare disease and that her sons suffered from a > genetic disorder. > > The indictment alleged that Ms. Lyda injured another > son four times during his stay at a hospital at > Lackland Air Force Base in San Antonio during November > and December 1994, when the child was 8 months old. > > A suspicious doctor persuaded hospital officials to use > a hidden camera to videotape the mother in her son's > hospital room. Ms. Lyda was accused of putting gauze in > his gastric tube, among other acts. > > The boy, now 4, made a complete recovery after his > mother was prohibited from seeing him. > > The indictment also charges that Ms. Lyda turned off a > machine monitoring the respiratory and heart rate in > 1993 of another son and failed to seek medical > assistance when he went into cardiac and respiratory > arrest. That boy, now 6, remains in a vegetative state. > > Ms. Lyda also is under investigation in Arizona for the > deaths of a 25-month-old son in 1990 and for the death > of a 2-year-old foster son in 1993 while the family was > living at Williams Air Force Base in Mesa, Ariz. > > Though the investigation continues, it's unlikely Ms. > Lyda will be prosecuted, Mesa Police Sgt. Earle Lloyd > said. > > ``Through all the investigations, they've come up with > nothing that can prove she harmed the child,'' Lloyd > said. > > Her former husband, David Martinez, obtained custody of > three of the boys. She has since remarried. > > At the hearing Wednesday, federal prosecutors asked > that Ms. Lyda be prohibited from contact with her five > sons or any child under 14. -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
L&I Gingrich Continues Attack on Clinton
Sue Hartigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Gingrich Continues Attack on Clinton > WASHINGTON (AP) -- Democratic Leader Dick Gephardt > called on Newt Gingrich today to stay away from the > probe into alleged violations by President Clinton's > 1996 campaign, saying the House Speaker's recent > comments ``demeaned the office which he is privileged > to hold.'' > > ``There is more to the rule of law than after-dinner > rhetoric,'' Gephardt said in remarks on the House > floor. ``The rule of law requires impartial and > competent investigations. It assumes the speaker will > not prejudge the results of these investigations. It > requires, if not charity towards all, at least an > absence of malice.'' > > ``Don't you love him,'' Gingrich replied dismissively. > ``Chutzpah is a word that apparently means Democrat,'' > he added, using a Yiddish word that means ``nerve.'' > > Gephardt's comments marked an escalation of the > rhetorical battle that began when Gingrich accused the > White House and congressional Democrats earlier this > week up covering-up wrongdoing in the 1996 campaign. > > ``There is a ``fairly large and growing scandal in this > country. It is not going away,'' Gingrich, R-Ga., said > on Wednesday. For the first time, he linked the fate of > legislation, a measure to to privde additional support > to the IMF, to the administration's cooperation with > GOP investigators. > > In a letter dispatched to Gingrich today, Gephardt > urged him to recuse himself from ``any consideration of > matters connected to the inquiry into campaign > financing irregularities and related matters.'' Aides > said that was a reference to the possibility that > independent counsel Kenneth Starr will submit a report > outlining evidence of impeachable offenses by Clinton, > and the House will investigate them. > > Gephardt sharply criticized Gingrich's recent comments > about administration officials and congressional > Democrats. ``Apparently, Mr. Speaker, you did not > perceive that your unfortunate remarks demeaned not > those against whom they were directed, but the high > office which you are privileged to hold,'' he said. > > In his own comments on Wednesday, Gingrich mentioned > the IMF legislation. > > ``If the Clinton administration does not turn over > documents and information, if they don't make witnesses > available, they're not in a very strong position to > demand that we give them any money for anything,'' > Gingrich said Wednesday in comments about proposed $18 > billion support for the IMF. > > It marked the third consecutive day that the leader of > House Republicans had spoken out forcefully about > allegations of fund-raising abuses by Clinton's 1996 > re-election campaign. > > And Democrats eagerly joined the fray against a man who > admitted violating House rules in a celebrated ethics > case more than a year ago. > > The Democratic National Committee issued a statement > saying Gingrich -- a handy target for Democratic > campaign ads in 1996 -- had ``continued his re-descent > into the gutter of American politics'' with his new > criticism of Clinton. > > And the president's chief spokesman, Mike McCurry, > suggested the White House might not be able to do > business with Gingrich until ``he comes back to his > senses.'' > > For months, Gingrich has refrained from commenting > about the allegations of sexual wrongdoing and cover-up > that surfaced about Clinton, even though other GOP > leaders have been willing to speak out. And in his > comments to reporters Wednesday, he stressed that he > was talking about alleged fund-raising abuses and > Democratic refusals to assist the Republican > investigation. > > ``This is about lawbreaking. This is not about sex. > This is not about gossip. This is not about soap > operas,'' he said. > > In comments Monday night to GOPAC, a political action > committee he once headed, Gingrich outlined two > principles: that Americans have a right to know the > facts and that no person, ``including the president, is > above the law.'' > > Gingrich's decision to attack Clinton also comes at a > time when he is weighing a possible run for the White
L&I David Hale Trial Declared Mistrial
Sue Hartigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: David Hale Trial Declared Mistrial > LITTLE ROCK, Ark. (AP) -- A judge declared a mistrial > today in the state case against David Hale, saying the > Whitewater figure's prolonged hospital stay was > imposing an unreasonable burden on jurors. > > Pulaski County Circuit Judge David Bogard called the > jurors to court to tell them they were off the case. > Then he set jury selection for a new trial to begin > July 8. > > Hale lawyer David Bowden, who had argued against the > mistrial, said he might try to block the rescheduled > trial with a claim that Hale was unconstitutionally > being subjected to double jeopardy. > > Hale remained at Baptist Medical Center today, a week > after he complained of heart troubles and went to the > hospital about an hour before opening arguments were to > start. > > He is charged with causing a false or misleading > statement to be filed with state insurance regulators > about the solvency of a burial-insurance company the > state says he owned. > > Hale lawyer David Bowden said his client is to be > released from the hospital Monday. But prosecutor Larry > Jegley, who asked for the mistrial, has said one of his > witnesses cannot return from Africa to Arkansas until > July because of business concerns. > > ``It is an imposition to the jury to bring them into a > case like this, to put them off for one week, then to > say come back in two or three monthssolely because > of the absence of the defendant,'' the judge said. > > Hale was one of the main witnesses in the 1996 > Whitewater trial of then-Gov. Jim Guy Tucker and > President Clinton's business partners, James and Susan > McDougal. All three were convicted. > > More recently, Hale has been in the news because of > allegations that he was paid by a conservative > publisher while cooperating with Whitewater > prosecutors. > > Hale served 21 months of a 28-month sentence after > pleading guilty to fraud and was released in March. He > remains on three years' probation. He argued > unsuccessfully that immunity granted in his federal > plea agreement should have shielded him from state > prosecution. > > Hale was charged in the state case in July 1996, but > his trial has been delayed because of health reasons > and numerous procedural battles. He had a defibrillator > installed last summer, which doctors say has not > controlled his irregular heart beat during stress, > Bowden said. > > Doctors plan to reprogram the device and have placed > Hale on new, more powerful medicine to control his > heart problems, Bowden said. -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: L&I Woman Accused of Endangering Sons
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >Sue Hartigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > >How would this be a federal charge, does anyone know? > >Sue > > Woman Accused of Endangering Sons [-] >> The indictment alleged that Ms. Lyda injured another >> son four times during his stay at a hospital at >> Lackland Air Force Base in San Antonio... Crimes committed on Federal installations are federal crimes. The same is also true of crimes committed on Indian reservations if they are not handled by tribal authorities. Best, Terry "Lawyer - one trained to circumvent the law" - The Devil's Dictionary Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
L&I Amy Fisher Asks for New Trial
Sue Hartigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Amy Fisher Asks for New Trial > NEW YORK (AP) -- Amy Fisher, the Long Island teen-ager > who pleaded guilty to shooting her lover's wife, has > requested a trial on grounds that prosecutors have > broken a promise to free her by now. > > Her lawyer, Bruce A. Barket, asked that Fisher's > five-year-old plea be tossed out and that she be freed > from prison on bail. > > ``The district attorney made promises to her that were > not kept,'' Barket said Wednesday, referring to a plea > bargain. He has filed a motion in Nassau County Court > asking for the trial she never had. > > Fisher pleaded guilty to assault in the 1992 near-fatal > shooting of Mary Jo Buttafuoco, the wife of her lover > Joey Buttafuoco. Buttafuoco served six months in jail > for statutory rape of Fisher, who was 16 at the time of > their affair. > > Barket said prosecutor Denis Dillon had offered the > plea bargain with the promise that after Fisher served > five years in prison, the prosecutor would recommend > parole. > > Ed Grilli, a spokesman for Dillon, said the agreement > never existed. > > Fisher is imprisoned at the Albion Correctional > Facility outside of Buffalo. At a parole hearing last > year, prosecutors recommended Fisher be denied freedom > and the board complied. > > Fisher isn't eligible for another parole hearing until > June 1999. -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
L&I Police Stop Alleged McCartney Thief
Sue Hartigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Police Stop Alleged McCartney Thief > TUCSON, Ariz. (AP) -- Authorities say a man took things > from Paul McCartney's ranch house and videotaped the > break-in. > > John Cowie, 31, of Thornton, Colo., was held here this > week on suspicion of burglary. > > Officers who arrested him Friday said Cowie jumped over > McCartney's gate last week and recorded his 30-minute > tour of the property. Police say he was found with two > stolen rubber rats and a gate opener. > > Reporters and others have besieged the ranch outside > Tucson after it was learned that Linda McCartney died > there rather than in Santa Barbara, Calif. > > A search warrant obtained by Pima County sheriff's > deputies said Cowie and a brother were at McCartney's > property on April 23, then watched the video later that > day. -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
L&I Poll: Teens Get Along With Parents
Sue Hartigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Poll: Teens Get Along With Parents > NEW YORK (AP) -- Today's teen-agers get along with > their parents, believe in God and trust the government, > according to a nationwide poll published today by The > New York Times. > > The poll of 13- to 17-year-olds also showed strong > majorities who said they never drink alcohol and never > smoke cigarettes or marijuana, the Times reported, > without citing percentages. > > Teens' worries for the future could come straight from > a 1950s stereotype: a good job (28 percent), money (11 > percent) and being successful (9 percent). Three > percent worried about the environment. > > The New York Times/CBS News Poll of 1,048 U.S. > teen-agers was conducted by telephone from April 2 > through April 7 and had a margin of sampling error of > plus or minus 3 percentage points. > > Other responses: > > -- Six in 10 say distributing condoms in schools is a > good idea. > > -- Almost half say sex before marriage is ``always > wrong.'' > > -- Just 1 percent said that teens' biggest problem is > AIDS. Yet 18 percent said they personally knew someone > who had tested positive for HIV, had AIDS or had died > of AIDS. > > -- Ninety-four percent say they believe in God. > > -- Nearly four in 10 say a member of their household > owns a gun, and 15 percent say they themselves own one. > Thirty-one percent have had instruction in shooting. > And when asked what they considered the biggest problem > in their schools, 16 percent gave the most frequent > response: violence. The survey followed shootings > involving schoolchildren in Arkansas, Mississippi and > Kentucky. > > Many of the responses on behavior -- smoking, drinking > and sex, for example -- varied widely between younger > and older teens. Only 13 percent of 13- to 15-year-olds > said they had ever had sex, compared with 38 percent of > 16- and 17-year-olds. > > The poll showed that most teens do get along with their > parents: 51 percent said ``very well'' and 46 percent > said ``fairly well.'' > > On politics, however, teens' views diverged sharply > from those of their parents. Six in 10 teens said that > ``when there has been discrimination against blacks in > the past,'' blacks should be given preference in the > workplace and in college admissions. Only 35 percent of > adults held that view in a Times/CBS News Poll in > December. > > And 51 percent of teen-agers said you could trust the > government to do what is right always or most of the > time; only 26 percent of adults agreed with that in > January. -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: L&I Woman Accused of Endangering Sons
Sue Hartigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hi Terry: Thanks. I *thought* that Indian reservations had their own laws. We have a lot of them around here, and that is why they can have gambling when the rest of the state can't. But is it really because they are under federal law, and not state law. Sue > Crimes committed on Federal installations are federal crimes. The same is > also true of crimes committed on Indian reservations if they are not handled > by tribal authorities. > > Best, Terry -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
L&I UPI poll: Web news will rule by 2003
Sue Hartigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: WASHINGTON, April 30 (UPI) _ A new UPI poll shows that most computer users in the United States see the Internet and Web surpassing all other media in the next five years as their most significant source of news and information. In a national survey of computer users by the Luntz Research Companies for UPI, 91 percent of the 600 adults polled say constantly updated news and current information is important to them and 80 percent predict they'll go online to get it by 2003. It is estimated personal computers are in 95 million households worldwide, and roughly half are online as well. Luntz pollster Andrew Smith says the survey results show the increasing importance of the Internet and Web as news media to the computer-savvy. ``It's tremendously significant and an enormous flip from how people perceived news on the Net only two years ago,'' he says. Sixty-seven percent of those surveyed currently read a daily newspaper each day and 51 percent said they also would read an online, personalized newspaper if given the chance. But 70 percent say they are unwilling to pay extra for customized news. If they could design a ``virtual newspaper'' themselves, 21 percent would want local news, 15 percent national news and politics, 10 percent sports and the rest would receive niche information such as business, entertainment or other news. Those surveyed were divided on the accuracy of editorial content on the Internet compared to other media sources. Forty-three percent said the Intenet was more accurate, while 35 percent said other media were more accurate than the Internet. Regarding cyber-accuracy, Smith says Americans still see the Internet as a volatile environment. ``Legitimate news organizations feeding the Internet are going to be challenged to overcome that,'' he says. Newspaper advertising was viewed as the most credible (39 percent), followed by television (29 percent) and Internet (12 percent). The poll shows 68 percent think newspapers will still play a significant role in delivering news in five years. American Newspaper Editors Society President Edward Seaton said: ``These numbers are encouraging and consistent with our view of what's going to happen with newspapers. Sixty-eight percent is very close to what you see now in terms of newspaper readership in the general population.'' Seaton, Editor-in-Chief of the Manhattan Mercury in Manhattan, Kan., says the Internet is different from the ink-and-paper medium because it focuses on niche information. ``I'm an international news junkie and I go on the Net every day to see what's happening in Latin America,'' he says. Electronic Frontier Foundation Chairman Lori Fena points out that electronic mail surpassed the volume of regular mail 10 years ago due to its low cost and ease-of-use. Still, she will not write newspapers' epitaph, suggesting there always will be room for the printed page. Fena says: ``The question is where the page will be printed _ on the printing press or the desktop printer.'' The Luntz poll data suggests personal computers are a ``gateway technology'' that can lead users to embrace other new digital communications tools. Seventy-six percent of respondents say they use cell phones or will by the year 2000. They also use laptop computers (32 percent) and palm- pilot computer organizers (18 percent). Says EFF's Fena: ``Once people invest in the electronic world, there are a number of gizmos that become must-have for them to communicate with other people.'' The UPI poll of computer users produced these other findings: _Two in three (66 percent) consider the computer the most significant technological invention of the 20th Century. _Opinion was split (44 percent to 45 percent) on who has the greater impact on their day-to-day lives, President Bill Clinton or Microsoft Chairman Bill Gates. _Seventy-four percent say they have a positive opinion of Gates. _Research and information are viewed as the most important benefits of the new technology (66 percent), followed by immediately available news and information (51 percent), shopping and other personal activities (41 percent) and entertainment (30 percent). _A majority (48 percent) have a positive opinion of mega Internet service provider America Online, compared to those who feel otherwise (33 percent). _Most computer users (82 percent) use online services such as AOL. -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
L&I Mom says charges endanger 900-pound-man
Sue Hartigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: HAMILTON, Ohio, April 30 (UPI) _ The mother of a 900-pound, 47-year- old southwest Ohio man who is accused of showing pornographic videos to children says prosecution of her son may endanger his life. Denny Welch's trial has been moved to Cincinnati because he can't fit through the courthouse doors in Hamilton. -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
L&I Whitewater Jury Has One More Week
Sue Hartigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Whitewater Jury Has One More Week > WASHINGTON (AP) -- Facing a final week of work, a > Whitewater grand jury in Arkansas is examining the > testimony of first lady Hillary Rodham Clinton while a > separate panel in Washington focuses on the first > lady's former law partner, Webster Hubbell. > > The grand jury here is investigating possible tax > violations stemming from more than $700,000 in payments > that Hubbell received in 1994 and 1995 after his > resignation from the Justice Department. > > Many of the payments were arranged by friends of the > president and first lady. > > Whitewater prosecutor Kenneth Starr went to the federal > courthouse in Little Rock, Ark., for 45 minutes > Wednesday where the grand jury was shown five hours of > testimony Mrs. Clinton gave by videotaped last weekend. > > Her testimony involved her work for the failed savings > and loan at the center of the probe. The grand jury in > Little Rock is scheduled to meet four days next week > before it goes out of business next Thursday. > > Mrs. Clinton declined to answer two questions in > Saturday's five-hour White House session -- > ``conversations that plainly fell under the > long-standing common law privilege for marital > communications'' -- attorney David Kendall disclosed on > Wednesday. > > Three prosecutors questioned Mrs. Clinton in the > videotaped testimony, according to lawyers familiar > with the probe. > > Deputy Whitewater prosecutor W. Hickman Ewing Jr., head > of the Little Rock office of Starr's operation, > conducted most of the questioning of Mrs. Clinton. > Other questioning was done by deputy prosecutors Robert > Bittman and Sol Wisenberg. > > Bittman has focused on allegations that there has been > obstruction of the Whitewater probe. Wisenberg has been > handling the grand jury probe in Washington of an > alleged presidential affair and cover-up involving > former White House intern Monica Lewinsky. > > Mrs. Clinton's decision to invoke the marital privilege > is the latest instance in which Whitewater prosecutors > have been unable to get answers to questions in the > investigation. Former Whitewater partner Susan McDougal > has refused to answer their questions before a grand > jury. > > The president has invoked executive privilege to > protect the confidentiality of some conversations with > top aides in the investigation involving Ms. Lewinsky. > > And the Justice and Treasury departments are seeking to > bar Starr from questioning Secret Service officers > about Clinton's relationship with Ms. Lewinsky. > > The Whitewater probe ``is a great investigation for the > law of evidence,'' said New York University law > professor Stephen Gillers. ``We've got executive > privilege, attorney-client privilege, spousal > privilege, a brand-new Secret Service persons' > privilege, and all that's left'' that hasn't been > invoked ``are clergyman's privilege, physician-patient > privilege and the privilege against > self-incrimination.'' > > Regarding conversations between Mrs. Clinton and her > husband, Starr was pressing into an area where he > should have expected to be rebuffed, said Bruce > Yannett, a white-collar criminal defense lawyer. > > ``It is pretty unusual for a prosecutor to ask a > married spouse about confidential conversations with > the other spouse and expect to get an answer,'' and ``I > don't think anyone should be particularly surprised or > offended'' by invoking the privilege, said Yannett, a > former Iran-Contra prosecutor. -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: L&I Cops Conclude Mass Murder in Ind.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Viola Provenzano) writes: Hi Sue, He was one of the worst in my book and that is saying a great deal! He certainly was one of the most prolific. Every male, including his own people, were no more than pieces of meat to him. But of course that is probably true for most if not all SKs. Vi "What the world needs more of is not love, but justice." Anon. __ You wrote: . . .<<>> _ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
L&I Texas killer put to death
Sue Hartigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: HUNTSVILLE, Texas, April 29 (UPI) _ Texas prison officials have carried out the state's sixth execution of the year, putting Frank B. McFarland to death by injection for the rape and murder of a north Texas woman in 1988. McFarland was pronounced dead at 6:27 p.m. CDT. McFarland's final statement was: ``I owe no apologies for a crime I did not commit. Those who lied and fabricated evidence against me will have to answer for what they have done. I know in my heart what I did. I call upon the spirits of my ancestors to clear a path. I'm coming home.'' McFarland was condemned for the Feb. 1, 1988, murder of Terry Lynn Hokanson in Hurst, a suburb of Fort Worth. Hokanson was sexually assaulted and stabbed 25 times, but still managed to stumble out of some woods and seek help from three teenage boys. A second man allegedly involved in the crime turned up dead later in another Texas city. The accomplice's girlfriend told police he had confessed to the crime before his death and told her he had acted with McFarland. At McFarland's sentencing, state prosecutors offered evidence of his violent history, including an attempted sexual assault with a knife. The U.S. Supreme Court on Tuesday refused to block the execution. McFarland had contended that he was denied effective counsel at trial and on appeal. McFarland was the 150th Texas inmate put to death since capital punishment resumed in 1982. A small group of protestors gathered outside the prison to mark the milestone and call for an end to capital punishment -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: L&I Jokes for Wednesday
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Viola Provenzano) writes: Hi Sue, The "Not Raising Hogs" joke had me on the floor LMAO. It is priceless! Thanks for giving me so many chuckles. It really brightens the day. Vi "What the world needs more of is not love, but justice." Anon. __ You wrote: . . .<<>> _ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: L&I Woman Accused of Endangering Sons
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >Sue Hartigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >Hi Terry: > >Thanks. > >I *thought* that Indian reservations had their own laws. Hi Sue, They do indeed. The problem arises mostly with their jurisdiction over us forked tongues. :-} There are many battles here in New York with state authorities. At times the state has even threatened to blockade the Indian reservation to attempt to get its way. It is really the federal government that has jurisdiction in disputes. >We have a lot >of them around here, and that is why they can have gambling when the >rest of the state can't. But is it really because they are under >federal law, and not state law. > >Sue Yes. Supposedly the reservations are sovereign nations. It is honored only in the breach, of course. >> Crimes committed on Federal installations are federal crimes. The same is >> also true of crimes committed on Indian reservations if they are not handled >> by tribal authorities. >> >> Best, Terry > > >-- >Two rules in life: > >1. Don't tell people everything you know. >2. > >Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues > > Best, Terry "Lawyer - one trained to circumvent the law" - The Devil's Dictionary Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: L&I Woman Accused of Endangering Sons
Sue Hartigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hi Terry: Perhaps you can explain something to me then. Right now we are having an election coming up and on the ballot there is a thing where you can vote as to whether the Indians should be allowed to keep gambling on the reservations. If they are a soverign nation, or if they fall under the government, how can we decide as a state if they should or should not have their gambling? Personally I think we should just leave the Indians alone. But then again I don't know that much about this gambling thing. Sue > >Hi Terry: > > > >Thanks. > > > >I *thought* that Indian reservations had their own laws. > > Hi Sue, > > They do indeed. The problem arises mostly with their jurisdiction over us > forked tongues. :-} There are many battles here in New York with state > authorities. At times the state has even threatened to blockade the Indian > reservation to attempt to get its way. It is really the federal government > that has jurisdiction in disputes. > > >We have a lot > >of them around here, and that is why they can have gambling when the > >rest of the state can't. But is it really because they are under > >federal law, and not state law. > > > >Sue > > Yes. > > Supposedly the reservations are sovereign nations. It is honored only in > the breach, of course. > > >> Crimes committed on Federal installations are federal crimes. The same is > >> also true of crimes committed on Indian reservations if they are not handled > >> by tribal authorities. > Best, Terry -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
L&I FBI probes alleged Diana extortion
Sue Hartigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: WASHINGTON, April 29 (UPI) _ The FBI says it is looking into whether any U.S. laws may have been broken by a man charged with trying to extort 10 million pounds ($16.7 million) from Mohammed Al Fayed, the father of Dodi Al Fayed and owner of Harrods in London. The man, who has been arrested in Vienna, Austria, allegedly claimed to have evidence that Dodi and Diana, Princess of Wales, were murdered. The ``evidence'' was alleged to have been documents showing British intelligence had asked the CIA help to murder Diana. The princess and Dodi Al Fayed were killed in a Paris traffic accident last August. Meanwhile, the CIA released a statement today saying, ``Any assertion that the CIA played any role in the death of the Princess of Wales is absurd.'' A spokeswoman for the FBI field office in Washington confirmed the U. S. investigation but declined to give further details, such as whether the probe is limited to the suspect in custody or includes alleged accomplices. The spokeswoman, Elisa Martin, did issue a statement saying: ``The FBI assisted the Austrian police in the investigation of the alleged extortion of Mr. Al Fayed by an individual who claimed to have information concerning the death of Mr. Al Fayed's son Dodi and Princess Diana. The U.S. Department of Justice is reviewing the case in an effort to determine if a violation of U.S. laws may have occurred in this matter.'' An Austrian report in the newspaper Kurier said the suspect in the case, 68-year-old George Mearah, allegedly accepted 1,500 pounds ($2, 500) to attend a meeting with Al Fayed and Harrod's security official John Macnamara in Vienna. Al Fayed had notified Austrian police and the FBI when first contacted by the man, and Austrian police arrested Mearah after monitoring the meeting. He appeared before a magistrate in Vienna last week. -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: L&I Woman Accused of Endangering Sons
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Sue, >Sue Hartigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > >Hi Terry: > >Perhaps you can explain something to me then. Right now we are having >an election coming up and on the ballot there is a thing where you can >vote as to whether the Indians should be allowed to keep gambling on the >reservations. If they are a soverign nation, or if they fall under the >government, how can we decide as a state if they should or should not >have their gambling? Technically you can't. Legislatures can pass any laws they want but they can be unenforceable. The same is true of ballot initiatives. You might remember Oregon twice passed assisted suicide law initiatives before it was permitted. The battles over medical use of marijuana continue in San Francisco. If it is determined enough to do it, a state could end nearly all gambling on reservations simply by blockading it. >Personally I think we should just leave the Indians alone. But then >again I don't know that much about this gambling thing. > >Sue >> >Hi Terry: >> > >> >Thanks. >> > >> >I *thought* that Indian reservations had their own laws. >> >> Hi Sue, >> >> They do indeed. The problem arises mostly with their jurisdiction over us >> forked tongues. :-} There are many battles here in New York with state >> authorities. At times the state has even threatened to blockade the Indian >> reservation to attempt to get its way. It is really the federal government >> that has jurisdiction in disputes. >> >> >We have a lot >> >of them around here, and that is why they can have gambling when the >> >rest of the state can't. But is it really because they are under >> >federal law, and not state law. >> > >> >Sue >> >> Yes. >> >> Supposedly the reservations are sovereign nations. It is honored only in >> the breach, of course. >> >> >> Crimes committed on Federal installations are federal crimes. The same is >> >> also true of crimes committed on Indian reservations if they are not handled >> >> by tribal authorities. > >> Best, Terry > > >-- >Two rules in life: > >1. Don't tell people everything you know. >2. > >Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues > > Best, Terry "Lawyer - one trained to circumvent the law" - The Devil's Dictionary Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: L&I Woman Accused of Endangering Sons
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Viola Provenzano) writes: Hi Sue, This woman moved in and out of several States ,apparently. The Feds get involved when felons cross State lines. I'll try to find out more. Vi "What the world needs more of is not love, but justice." Anon. __ You wrote: <<>> _ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: L&I Wife wins $45 Million
DocCec <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: And then doesn't always get it, Sue. I went through that. My ex simply refused to pay, and since he was out of state I had to go to court and get judgments, which he blithely ignored, then get his wages garnisheed, after which he just changed jobs and the whole thing had to start again. Of course each court date meant I lost a day's pay, so it soon became not worth the hassle. Doc << Hi Bill: And unfortunately some of the time the woman has to force child support. Sue > HI Sue, > > Oh, I agree that in most cases the woman's life style suffers after a > divorce, especially when small children are involved. Simply because in > most cases the earning power of the woman is less than the man's. Child > support and/or alimony rarely makes up the difference. > > Bill >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: L&I Wife wins $45 Million
Sue Hartigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hi Doc: I can relate to that. :( One thing that California has done, which I think is great for both parties. (My son is involved with this) The minute the support amount is awarded it starts coming out of the paycheck before the person even sees it. The reason I think this works best for the person paying the support, is that he/she no longer has to deal with anyone. If the money doesn't get to the child it is then between the court and the employer, and the person recieving the support. Both parties win in this situation, IMO. The child is guaranteed support, and the person paying doesn't have to deal with anyone regarding if he paid it or not. Sue > > And then doesn't always get it, Sue. I went through that. My ex simply > refused to pay, and since he was out of state I had to go to court and get > judgments, which he blithely ignored, then get his wages garnisheed, after > which he just changed jobs and the whole thing had to start again. Of course > each court date meant I lost a day's pay, so it soon became not worth the > hassle. > Doc -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: L&I Cops Conclude Mass Murder in Ind.
Sue Hartigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hi Vi: I don't really remember much about the case. Just that he killed all these people who came to work for him. I do remember all those bodies coming through the ER and it was horrible. If you remember what all happened could you tell me? I wasn't really interested in what all happened, back then. In fact to tell you the truth, I just wanted to forget what little I did know. :( Sue > Hi Sue, > > He was one of the worst in my book and that is saying a great deal! He > certainly was one of the most prolific. Every male, including his own > people, were no more than pieces of meat to him. But of course that is > probably true for most if not all SKs. > > Vi -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: L&I Woman Accused of Endangering Sons
Sue Hartigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hi Terry: I understand what is going on with the legalized pot issue. But I don't understand what you mean by the blockading the Indian gambling. How can they do that? Sue > > Technically you can't. Legislatures can pass any laws they want but they > can be unenforceable. The same is true of ballot initiatives. You might > remember Oregon twice passed assisted suicide law initiatives before it was > permitted. The battles over medical use of marijuana continue in San Francisco. > > If it is determined enough to do it, a state could end nearly all gambling > on reservations simply by blockading it. -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: Attachment Disorder was L&I Jones Appeal Difficult, But Not Impossible
Sue Hartigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hi Vi: I have a friend whose daughter went through almost the same thing. She and her husband adopted a boy who had problems through their church. It turned out that these problems were worse than they thought and they had to turn him back into the people they adopted him from. They then moved and didn't let anyone know where they moved to for fear he would run away and try to hurt them. That was about 10 years ago, and I don't know whatever happened to the boy. My friends daughter though has since adopted another child, and everything seems to be fine. All I can think of when I hear about these children are that they become "throw away kids", through no fault of their own. And it is really sad. Sue > Hi Sue, > > There was no way this kid could be helped. His adopted family tried > everything. He must have been brain damaged before he was > abandoned by his original family. > > Vi -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: L&I New Trial for the list, locally tried
Sue Hartigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hi Bill: I have never been able to figure out how these religious leaders get into the political arena in the first place. I thought that one of the things that we didn't want in this country was politics and religion to be mixed. I certainly don't think that morals should be legislated, and that is what most of these guys try to do. I also don't understand the nontaxation of these groups that use their money to get into the political arena. It just doesn't seem right to me. Sue > HI Kathy, > > He has that bad combination of being a politician as well as a religious > zealot. He is probably incapable of learning anything and certainly > incapable of keeping his mouth shut. :) > > Bill -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: L&I Whitewater Witness Goes on Trial in Arkansas
Sue Hartigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hi Bill: She may have a room mate in that jail cell this time. Monica has been told that she will not get immunity. In fact when this whole thing is finished they may have to built a jail just for the people who won't testify. Did Monica's mother get immunity? Geraldo was on the Today show this morning and mentioned that she got it. Personally I think that Monica will tell all, and tell the truth. Sue > HI Sue, > > Now you see the key point in this debate. The assumption that she refuses > to testify in order to cover up for Clinton is not reasonable. > > Bill -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: L&I SUSAN MCDOUGAL IMPLICATES NEW YORK TIMES
Sue Hartigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hi Bill: I don't know if they actual indict or they just recommend it. It is my guess that they actual indict. Hillary evoked privilege during her testimony this time. But it was spousal privilege, which makes perfect sense to me. There is no way that they are going to toss her in jail. That would really make the US look like some kind of fools to the world. I can't even imagine them doing that. Can Starr reopen everything once the President leaves office? If they are really serious about all of this, and have the evidence to throw Hillary into jail, that would be the time to do it, not while Clinton is President, IMO. Did you watch the press conference this morning? Danielson wouldn't let the Prez off easily with the Monica questions. LOL But Clinton kept his cool and told him he wouldn't talk about it. Sue > HI Sue, > > Yeah, I agree with the pundits who are saying that he'd have to have a > slam dunk case against the First Lady before he'd indict her. Can a > Grand Jury indict on its own? Or do they simply recommend an indictment > and it's up to the prosecutor to bring the indictment against a > defendant? > > I see that they are playing the 5 hour tape of Hillary's testimony to the > Grand Jury today. The Grand Jury's term expires a week from tomorrow. > > Bill -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
L&I A new major: E-Crime 101
Steve Wright <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: UTICA, N.Y., April 28 As the worlds of finance and technology become more intertwined, the results also are breeding a new kind of criminal: one who sees opportunities for fraud in this brave new world of money. But a New York college is preparing students who will chase paper trails in file cabinets and in cyberspace in order to catch the crooks. HERE IN THE pastoral setting of upstate New York farm country, college students are learning about the wicked ways of big-city economic crimes. At Utica College of Syracuse University, students who show interest in problem solving, math, accounting, computer science and criminal justice are synthesizing those skills for use in the real world. Theyre doing so under the tutelage of Dr. Gary Gordon, co-founder and director of the Economic Crime Investigation Institute, a 10-year-old bachelors degree program the only one of its kind in the country thats preparing fraud investigators for the new century. But these detectives may not necessarily work in law enforcement. And theyre not just focusing on criminal justice courses. Like the fraudsters they hope to catch, these students are immersing themselves in several disciplines to get ready for the next financial crime wave. And for students headed out into the business world, awareness of financial crime is rapidly becoming a pre-requisite. If youre (doing business with) people who are doing money laundering or people who are involved in organized crime, Gordon told one of his classes recently, and you are not due diligent, that is you dont look at your client base, then you are in violation of several laws and some corporations can sue you. Gordon's students learn the ins and outs of cell phone fraud and insurance crime by tracking hypothetical cases. In a typical class, students work to track down a hypothetical worker s compensation fraud case by tracing the relationships between fictional companies, attorneys and claimants. About 30 students a year learn the ins and out of credit card rip-offs, cellular communication fraud, computer and Internet security in industries like banking and insurance. Gordon says the demand for his graduates is greater than ever. Fraud issues have become large enough to tap the bottom line, he said. And once that happened, people really had to pay attention to developing fraud units and becoming pro-active and not just reactive. Gordon claims 100 percent placement for his ECI students after graduation, and not just for various state attorneys general or federal law enforcement agencies. Some of the top names in corporate America have hired his novice fraud chasers; the list includes AT&T, Sprint, Mastercard, Chase Bank, Motorola, and insurance companies like New York Life, The Hartford, and The Prudential. The verdict is in, says Gordon: the program has been a success. They seem to be able to step right in to the organization, he said, and make a contribution right from the beginning. Joseph Williams Sometimes they contribute before theyre even on the payroll. Graduating senior Joseph Williams, while at the Hartford Insurance Group doing research for his senior project, was asked to take a look at new software to analyze fraudulent claims cases. I looked at the software and said we used this at college, and they were very surprised, said Williams. I was able to help them fix their problems and display their charts so they were pretty happy. So they asked me to come to work for them during summer break. Mike Decker Mike Decker, another senior, heads off after May graduation to Nebraska to work for a credit card companys fraud detection unit. I came to the program because its the only one of its kind, he said. I had an interest in criminal justice and I had an interest in technology, and this program allowed me to marry the technological aspects with the investigative aspects that interest me. And its the technological aspects that pose the greatest challenge to Gordons curriculum. With computer and Internet security issues firewalls, encryption, etc. changing rapidly, Gordon relies on graduates working for companies and students interning there for the latest developments. He also has been personally invited into the deepest levels of the corporate world, which, ironically, makes him something of a security risk. In fact, I know far more than I probably should about the operations of many corporations, he said. But they have been very gracious and obviously see the returns for them in terms of turning out students who have these kinds of skills and step into these organizations at an entry level and hit the ground running. Gordon hopes to add a masters degree in economic crime investigation this fall. === Lifes a beach and I'm on it, Jah Wobble. ===
L&I State bar closes door on gripes
Sue Hartigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Dues debate leaves group nearly broke The State Bar of California announced yesterday that it has stopped accepting complaints from the public about dishonest or incompetent lawyers because it's nearly out of money. The announcement came two days after some 500 layoff notices were handed out to the bar's staff, which handles more than 200,000 complaints and inquiries a year. The notices to about 75 percent of the bar's remaining staff were necessary because of a stalemate between the bar and Gov. Pete Wilson. In October, Wilson vetoed a measure allowing the state bar to continue mandating attorneys to pay up to $458 a year in dues, which are the bar's sole income. Payments slowed to a trickle, and the bar is now almost broke. The organization, which licenses, disciplines and lobbies on behalf of California's 160,000 lawyers, says it will be broke by early July unless a dues agreement is reached. Yesterday, callers to the bar's 800 number got a taped message announcing the shutdown and saying the bar was working with the Legislature and the governor to solve the funding crisis. Written complaints will be returned to sender. The bar said it will do its best to handle the 1,600 complaints already in the system. Chief prosecutor Judy Johnson said only complaints that could lead to disbarment or serious suspension would be flagged for further investigation. University of San Diego law professor Robert Fellmeth, who spent five years as a watchdog and reformer of the bar, is incensed about the political impasse. "I would urge all clients who have problems with their attorneys to immediately contact Gov. Wilson, who must have some alternative strategy in mind," Fellmeth said yesterday. "We did a lot of work from 1987 to 1991 to clean up that system and make it work, and California now has the best system for disciplining lawyers by far," he said. San Diego attorney Marc Adelman, president of the state bar, said the bar always has relied on its own money to police its ranks, Now, however, he fears the burden will fall on the taxpayers. "It really is a crisis that people really haven't paid a lot of attention to, because they don't see the harm that taking away the discipline system will cause," Adelman said yesterday. "With our discipline system shutting down, who is left to go after the bad lawyers -- the City Attorney or the District Attorney?" he asked. "I'm certain they're not equipped to handle this. "If they do, it's your tax money that's funding it." Fellmeth pointed out that in the mid-1980s, it took nearly five years for a a complaint to translate into discipline of a wayward lawyer. Now the time is closer to 18 months. He said the number of attorneys who were reproved, suspended or disbarred also has increased greatly, from about 180 to about 900 a year. "What the governor's doing is posturing here, because they're mad at some positions taken by the bar," Fellmeth said. "They're basically throwing the baby out with the bath water . . . I think it's really a shame." When Wilson, a longtime bar critic, vetoed the annual dues authorization bill, he said the bar was bloated, unresponsive to members and too involved in politics. Among other things, he cited the bar's support of a bill that would have allowed higher damage awards in medical malpractice cases, and resolutions passed by the bar's Conference of Delegates supporting legalization of same-sex marriages, shorter drug sentences and more racial diversity in law schools. In the aftermath, the bar has cut expenses and continued operating on reserves and voluntary dues payments while trying to reach an agreement with Wilson and legislative Republicans to limit the organization's scope and restore its dues authority. Some Republican support is needed for a two-thirds vote that would allow such a bill to take effect
L&I Court scolded for stay of execution
Sue Hartigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: 9th Circuit accused of 'grave abuse' of powers WASHINGTON -- Showing growing impatience with death penalty delays, the Supreme Court sharply rebuked the Western federal appeals court yesterday for blocking an execution in California two days before the killer was scheduled to die. The justices, split 5-4, found the lower court judges guilty of "grave abuse of discretion." They denied all relief for Thomas M. Thompson, who was convicted of raping and murdering a Laguna Beach woman nearly 17 years ago, and freed the state to press for a new execution date. In the process, the nation's highest court delivered a stinging lecture to the nation's largest federal appeals tribunal, the San Francisco-based 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals. Justice Anthony M. Kennedy, a former 9th Circuit judge, scolded the judges for rejecting Thompson's plea, then reversing themselves 53 days later and calling a halt to Thompson's execution after almost 13 years of appeals. The decision was a victory not only for California, but also for the attorneys general of 20 other states, who told the court in a legal brief that if the appeals court's "procedural legerdemain" were allowed, "nothing would ever be final." It was not the first time the nation's highest court and the 9th Circuit have drawn a line in the sand over a death penalty appeal. Six years ago, in an exhausting high drama that was followed around the world, the two courts waged coast-to-coast legal warfare before San Diego double-murderer Robert Alton Harris was executed. It was California's first execution in 25 years. Over 12 hours, the 9th Circuit issued four stays of execution, one of them as Harris was strapped into the gas chamber at San Quentin state prison. Each stay was lifted by the Supreme Court, which finally sent down an unprecedented order, forbidding any more stays by the 9th Circuit. Harris, who had been convicted of killing two Mira Mesa teen-agers in 1978, was declared dead at 6:21 a.m. April 21, 1992. In yesterday's decision, Kennedy said the 9th Circuit held up the announcement of its turnabout in Thompson's case and "lay in wait" while the Supreme Court denied his petition, the state scheduled an execution for Aug. 5, 1997, and Gov. Pete Wilson reviewed the case and denied clemency. "Then, only two days before Thompson was scheduled to be executed, the court came forward to recall the judgment on which the state, not to mention this court, had placed heavy reliance," Kennedy said. The full 9th Circuit halted Thompson's execution so it could review his claim of inadequate legal help, which it had previously rejected. It blamed the switch on inattention by one judge and miscommunication between another judge's law clerks. Replied Kennedy: "It would be the rarest of cases where the negligence of two judges in expressing their views is sufficient grounds to frustrate the interests of a state of some 32 million persons in enforcing a final judgment in its favor." He said federal courts must respect the interest of the states in "the finality of convictions" once appeals in state courts are exhausted. "Only with an assurance of real finality can the state execute its moral judgment in a case," Kennedy wrote. "Only with real finality can the victims of crime move forward knowing the moral judgment will be carried out." In recent years, both Congress and the Supreme Court have severely limited the discretion of federal courts to grant relief to state prisoners. At the same time, the pace of executions is accelerating. Last year, 74 murderers were executed in the United States, half of them in Texas. It was the highest number of executions in a single year since the Supreme Court reinstated the death penalty in 1976. California has executed four murderers since 1992. Currently, 505 inmates are on the state's death row; 27 of them are from San Diego County. In Thompson's case, none of th
L&I Murderer's lawyers vow to press fight; victim's kin pleased
Sue Hartigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Convicted murderer Thomas M. Thompson could die by lethal injection in two to three months, now that the U.S. Supreme Court has paved the way for the state to set a new execution date. But as the family of victim Ginger Fleischli gears up to attend the execution after another year's delay, Thompson and his team of attorneys are determined not to give up. "He's very disappointed," said Thompson's San Francisco-based attorney, Andrew Love, "but he still has hope and faith that he will ultimately get a new trial and that justice will somehow prevail." Gregory Long, another of Thompson's lawyers, said the likely next step will be to petition the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals to hear what he considers new evidence. Jack Fleischli, the victim's brother, said he cried for a few minutes after hearing about the ruling yesterday, and then was able to celebrate it. "It definitely made my year," said Fleischli, 48, who plans to attend the execution with his brother, Michael, and "see justice done." "The death penalty in this case was the decision of the jury some 17 years ago," he said. "It was the right decision." Thompson's execution was called off two days before its scheduled date last year on Aug. 5, after the 9th Circuit granted him a stay. That court, citing an administrative error in failing to hold an appeal hearing a year earlier, threw out the rape charge that provided the "special circumstance" necessary for the Orange County man's death sentence. Thompson was convicted in 1983 of raping and murdering Ginger Fleischli, a Laguna Beach nanny, two years earlier. David Leitch, convicted of second-degree murder in the case, was sentenced to 15 years to life in prison. He is eligible for parole next year. Long said Leitch testified during a recent parole hearing that he saw Thompson having consensual sex with Ginger Fleischli sometime before she was stabbed five times in the head. "What we need to do is get back in front of the circuit and see if this new evidence from David Leitch will convince them that they ought to grant Tom relief," said Long, who is based in Los Angeles. Orange County prosecutor Mike Jacobs said he was not surprised by either the Supreme Court's 5-4 ruling yesterday or the news that Thompson's attorneys plan to pursue further appeals. "I expect them to file some more petitions for relief," Jacobs said. "I don't expect them to stop." Thompson's claim that he had consensual sex with Fleischli was noted in the Supreme Court's majority opinion, which was written by Justice Anthony M. Kennedy. Love said the case has been a "procedural morass." It was marked by the unusual stand last year by seven former prosecutors who raised concerns about Thompson's death sentence. In a legal brief, they said Leitch, who had been romantically involved with the victim, was a likelier candidate for the crimes. Kennedy acknowledged that this is not "an ordinary case" but said he saw no evidence of Thompson's innocence. Still, Kennedy described the circuit court's recall of the execution mandate as a "grave abuse of discretion." Jack Fleischli, an actor and entertainment lawyer, supported Kennedy's criticism of the 9th Circuit Court, and added his own. "It really calls into question the integrity of the justices themselves when they use their personal bias against the death penalty to influence them and motivate them to manipulate" decisions so as to strike down death sentences, he said. Lance Lindsey, executive director of Death Penalty Focus, a statewide organization fighting to get rid of the death penalty in California, put the 5-4 ruling in a different light. "By one vote, he dies. That really has a kind of Roman circus, thumbs-up, thumbs-down sort of quality to it," he said. Lindsey called the criminal justice system "highly politicized" and "very imperfect.
Re: L&I A new major: E-Crime 101
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >Steve Wright <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > >UTICA, N.Y., April 28 As the worlds of finance and technology become more >intertwined... >HERE IN THE pastoral setting of upstate New York farm country, ROTFL! I wonder if whoever wrote this thinks the students dropping over to Hardee's for fried chicken or a hamburger are living off the fat of the land. I doubt the idiot would know a horse from a cow. There is some lovely country around here but I wouldn't include Utica. >college >students are learning about the wicked ways of big-city economic crimes The mafia has a long tradition in Utica. They must get a lot of competition from the steady influx of drug dealers from New York City. Best, Terry "Lawyer - one trained to circumvent the law" - The Devil's Dictionary Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
L&I A QUIZ
Sue Hartigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Warning! Do take the quiz as you read, there are only 4 questions, and if you scan all the way to the end before finishing you won't get the honest results. Don't cheat. Scroll slowly and do each exercise. Don't look ahead. Get pencil and paper and write it down. You will need it at the end. This is an honest quiz, that will tell you about your true self. Enjoy! Chapter I : Arrange the following 5 animals according to your preference: Cow Tiger Sheep Horse Monkey ** Chapter II : Write one word to describe each of the following: Dog Cat Rat Coffee Ocean *** Chapter III : Think of somebody (who also knows you) that you can relate to the following colors : Please don't repeat your answer twice. Name only one person for each color. Yellow Orange Red White Green * Chapter IV : Finally, indicate your favorite number and favorite day of the week. Are you done Make sure your answers are what you TRULY feel... Last chance See interpretations below : But before going on, repeat your wish *** Chapter I : This will define your priorities in life Cow means career Tiger means pride Sheep means love Horse means family Monkey means money *** Chapter II : Your description of Dog implies your own personality Your description of Cat implies your partner's personality Your description of Rat implies your enemy's personality Your description of Coffee is how you interpret sex Your description of Ocean implies your own life ** Chapter III : Yellow - somebody who will never forget you Orange - someone whom you can consider as your real friend Red - someone you really love White - your soulmate Green - a person whom you will always remember for the rest of your life Chapter IV : Your favorite number will be the number of persons you will be sending this test to and the favorite day will be the day that your wish will come true! -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
L&I Re: Local Murder (Austin) Update--Sue
Jackie Fellows <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hi Sue It is the gist of what is going on with the murder trial here. The events preceding the murder was a three-day drinking party, drug dealing and rumors of an ordered hit on one of the alleged killers. Erickson is one of the alleged killers and is presently on trial. the second defendant already pled guilty to a lessser charge and was a witness against him in trade for the lesser charge. Another witness was the 18 year old who hosted the party (wonder what she was offered?). She maintained the night of the shooting the two left the party and then came back in with different clothes on (all black). The two acted differently--the defendant acted incoherently and the convicted one acted very down and quiet. The prosecuting attorney said the victim had 23 holes in his body caused by 10 shots. The fiancee testified that she heard shots and that he wimpered and died. The defense says that there is no physical evidence linking them to the crime and no witnesses. That is it so far. This may be of interest to you: This is from one of the new books. 1987 they studies 14 death-row inmates who had been convicted of crimes committed when they were under the age of 18 and had been presented to the Supremem Court. The inmates had been convicted of murders committed when they were between the ages of nearly 16 to nearly 17. Mean was 16 1/2. In addition to these 14, there were an additional 23 inmates under sentence of death who had committed criman as juveniles Of the 14: 1. 8 had suffered injuries to the CNS sever enought to result in hospitalization and/or indentation of the cranium 2. 9 had major neurological impairment 3. 7 were psychotic or had been diagnosed as psychotic earlier in childhood, 4 had histories indicating severe mood disorder and the other 3 experienced occasional paranoid ideation 4. only 2 had IQs above 90 (which is below average); only 3 were reading at grade level 5. 12 had been brutally, physically abused and 5 had been sodomized by older male relatives. Most of the juveniles had tried to hide evidence of their problem and concealed their parents' brutality. parents also hid the evidence and sometimes pressured child's attorney to keep this info secret in only 5 of the 14 cases were pretrail evaluationsof any kind carried out on the youths. Those evaluations done were usually perfunctory and yielded inadequate data on the juveniles' neuropsychiatric and cognitive functioning Just a little something to think about when people feel that they made the choice to commit the crime so now should face the punishment. One reason the other 23 were not included in the study was that only 4 states would allow the research to be done--something else to ponder. jackief -- In the sociology room the children learn that even dreams are colored by your perspective I toss and turn all night.Theresa Burns, "The Sociology Room" Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
L&I RE: OOPs--forgot the citation
Jackie Fellows <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hi Sue Here is the citation: Neuropsychiatric, Psychoeducational, and Family Characteristics of 14 Juveniles Condemned to Death in the United States," American Journal of Psychiatry 145 (May 1988), 584-589; Alsion Bass, "Head Injuries Found in Young Killers," Boston Globe, June 20, 1988, pp. 53, 55. This was in Conklin's Criminology 6th ed., 1998. jackief -- In the sociology room the children learn that even dreams are colored by your perspective I toss and turn all night.Theresa Burns, "The Sociology Room" Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: L&I Re: Attachment Disorder was
Sue Hartigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hi Jackie: It even seems more cruel to me for people to bring them into this country from the horrible things that they have to contend with, and then when they can't handle the problems dump them. There has to be another way, but I sure don't have any idea what it could be. :( Sue > Hi Sue > > The sad thing is that you are probably right about them being lost--such a sad thing >to admit > though. Not understanding the problem is a big part of the problem--how do you >assist someone > when you really don't know what to do, except trial and error. > > jackief. > -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: L&I Back Home
Jackie Fellows <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hi Bill What you say is true that people do need to ecourage critical thinking. However, IMO, we start to late in teaching the fundamentals of critical thinking. From grades 1-2, children are rewarded for being passive, sponges soaking up information. This is needed I grant you, but during that oh so important time in human development, the children are also internalizing the values they wil base their opinions, etc. on. Often these values are unquestioningly accepted simply because parents, teachers, etc. say it is so. Then they hit college and the first day the prof comes in and wants them to do critical thinking. What in heavens name do we expect--Voila, instant critical thinker?? I am not blaming teachers in the elementary and secondary schools. They have to teach them an information base to start from as well as be expected to teach a whole lot more. I just wonder if there isn't another way that we can encourage that in the younger grades. And I don't have any answers. I think of some of the programs we have for trying to instill moral values in the elementary schools and I wonder what information they receive. This might be a good opportunity to start to encourage critical thinking, if that is not being done. For example, does the D.A.R.E. program only present the "evilness" of drugs without the scare tactics and do they really explain the lure of drug use?? Do they make a blanket generalization of drugs? Do they gloss over the effects of alcohol? Do we as a society really set the stage for critical rational thinking?? We have laws that put marijuana distributors in jail for longer terms without possiblilty of parole that we do murderers in some states. We infringe on spousal rights of not testifying in drug cases through coercion. And, then we wonder why children treat killing so lightly. And we wonder why they learn that bullying can get the job done. Sorry to ramble on so. jackief William J. Foristal wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William J. Foristal) writes: > > HI Jackie, > > I think society needs to learn from our mistakes of the past. For > example, Lt. William Calley was looked at as a hero by many people after > the My Lai massacre. Why? Because the people he murdered were Vietnamese > and people found it easier to consider all Vietnamese as a likely enemy > even though we were supposedly over there to help the South Vietnamese. > And the real hero, the guy in the helicopter who stopped the killings was > investigated as a traitor. Now, at long last, he's being given the > recognition as a hero that he deserves. We need to encourage everyone to > become more skilled at critical thinking and not to judge actions based > on who is involved on the various sides of that action. > > Bill > > On Tue, 28 Apr 1998 19:44:40 -0500 Jackie Fellows <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > writes: > >-- In the sociology room the children learn that even dreams are colored by your perspective I toss and turn all night.Theresa Burns, "The Sociology Room" Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: L&I Jackie: Prisons for Profit
Jackie Fellows <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hi Bill What would I do with an apartment?? : O. Ron wrote that he lived nearby. It would be nice to meet his wife and him. Of course, I wonder if we would just swing into our latest e-mail debate in person . I'll take your word for it that I will not make a fool of myself going to the Space Needle. I just think of when we were in St. Louis and one of my friends and his wife wanted be to go with them to go up in the arch. I declined, thank god. They came back really white--it was terribly windy that day. All I could visualize is me stuck up there till the St Louis police, fireman, and white jackets came to rescue me. Glad to hear about the shipping of fish--will have to check out the price etc. Of course, it would probably thaw by the time we got it in Austin. jackief William J. Foristal wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William J. Foristal) writes: > > Hi Jackie, > > I have always had a fear of heights, and I conquered the Space Needle > with no problem. :) Go for it! You'll love it. Also, the market folks > will pack your fish and ship it home for you. > > Perhaps you can meet up with Ron and he can give you the insider's tour > of the area. Mount Rainier is impressive too, so that could be another > side trip for you. Perhaps you can find an apartment there. :) > > Have fun! > > Bill > > On Tue, 28 Apr 1998 19:34:44 -0500 Jackie Fellows <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > writes: > >Jackie Fellows <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > >Hi Bill > > > >Thanks for the hints--now will have to justify staying a few days to > >the > >spouse--have to figure out how to bring a big fish home in my purse > >(yah, > >sure). Got some stuff from the company putting on the workshop and > >wow I > >need a week or more. Wonder if the school would buy that I got > >stranded and > >I needed to stay awhile?? I really am excited that the school is > >willing to > >put out the money for me to have a wonderful time as well as learning > >some > >great stuff. Of course, I have to have a training session for faculty > >when > >I get back, but that is o.k. with me. I have saved your message and > >will > >take it with me. Still a little apprehensive about the space > >needle--forget > >the view, I want to sit away from the windows. > > > >jackief > > > > > > > >William J. Foristal wrote: > > > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William J. Foristal) writes: > >> > >> And > >> >Seattle > >> >> is a "go" for me. The school is definitely sending me. My > >> >registration is > >> >> verified and the secretary is making plane reservations. Now all > >I > >> >have to > >> >> do is go to desensitization training so I can go up in the Space > >> >Needle and > >> >> attend the dinner > >> >> > >> >> jackief > >> > >> Hi Jackie, > >> > >> You'll love Seattle! And the Space Needle is no problem! Just > >close > >> your eyes when you are on the elevator, if it bothers you. The view > >is > >> great from the top. Even better than the CN Tower in Toronto, IMO. > >> > >> If you have a day or two extra you should make sure you get down to > >the > >> market. Even if you don't buy anything it's fun to watch the guys > >throw > >> those huge fish around as they wrap them up for customers. And a > >REALLY > >> fun trip would be to take a ferry to Victoria, BC on Vancouver > >Island. > >> Go to the Empress Hotel for a touch of Britain and attend the > >afternoon > >> tea. Then go see Bouchart Gardens. They have newer boats that can > >make > >> the crossing in about four hours. But you still need two days to > >spare > >> to make it worth while. > >> > >> Have a great time! > >> > >> Bill > >> > >> > >_ > >> You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > >> Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com > >> Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > >> > >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues > > > > > > > >-- > >In the sociology room the children learn > >that even dreams are colored by your perspective > > > >I toss and turn all night.Theresa Burns, "The Sociology Room" > > > > > > > > > > > >Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues > > > > _ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com > Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues -- In the sociology room the children learn that even dreams are colored by your perspective I toss and turn all night.Theresa Burns, "The Sociology Room" Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the
Re: L&I Jones Appeal Difficult, But Not Impossible
Jackie Fellows <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hi Bill Will ask Ed this morning if he has time to do it for me. I thought it was a good argument--a little different than most. It looks at whether executions do or do not increase homicides afterwards. If he can't today, will try to get it to you this weekend. You can get it with Juno, right. jackief William J. Foristal wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William J. Foristal) writes: > > Hi Jackie, > > I'd appreciate reading it! Thanks! > > Bill > > On Tue, 28 Apr 1998 19:48:33 -0500 Jackie Fellows <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > writes: > >Jackie Fellows <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > >Hi Bill > > > >Ran across an interesting article on CP as a deterrent or a > >bruatalizing of > >our society. Written in 1980 however. But will see if Ed can scan it > >for me > >and will send to you in private e-mail if you are interested. They > >did some > >stuff that go right along with what you say about children. > > > >jackief > > _ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com > Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues -- In the sociology room the children learn that even dreams are colored by your perspective I toss and turn all night.Theresa Burns, "The Sociology Room" Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: L&I Jones Appeal Difficult, But Not Impossible
Jackie Fellows <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hi Ron and Bill Either that or the town has succeeded in not letting it become a media circus. The first interview by the police chief seemed to indicate that most would not be willing to discuss it. jackief William J. Foristal wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William J. Foristal) writes: > > On Mon, 27 Apr 1998 15:29:22 -0700 "Ronald Helm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > writes: > >"Ronald Helm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > >>Nothing in any of the stories I read mentioned scopes. Perhaps the > >>accuracy was more a function of how closely the kids were clustered > >>together and the shooting was more directional than aimed. > >> > >>Bill > > > > > >Initial reports mentioned a 30.06 with a scope being used in > >Jonesboro, but > >I have seen nothing since the first day. The media around here sure > >lost > >interest rapidly. Ron > > HI Ron, > > Same here. Perhaps that's a disturbing sign that these things are > becoming so common place that they aren't hot news any more. > > Bill > > _ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com > Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues -- In the sociology room the children learn that even dreams are colored by your perspective I toss and turn all night.Theresa Burns, "The Sociology Room" Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: L&I All members please read
Leonard Booth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Kathy Thanks for bringing us in on this. It seems like pretty short notice to me. If you're going to bail out for a while, why did you pose this in private to only a couple of people. What did you propose that you met with strong objection to. What will the monthly cost be to keep the list going after November. What is involved and how much time per day or week is required to keep the list going. I'm willing to volunteer some time if someone else will also. Len At 04:02 AM 4/29/1998 -0400, you wrote: >Kathy E <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > >Hi all :) > >I have been considering something lately and I have made my decision, I >really enjoy this list and what we have become :) Sure there are >differences of opinions and sometimes some pretty heavy debating but >through it all a common respect for each other has prevailed, that is >appreciated :) > >One thing has been laying heavy on my mind though. I posed this in >private to a couple of people and I was met with strong objections and >some even threatened to leave if I do this, well I hope they don't carry >out on their threats but I have to do what is best for me, and right now >is not a good time for me to be the list owner of this list. I have >several ongoing projects right now and it is not giving me the time to >do what I need to as the LO of this list, that isn't fair to you the >members. Plus I also want a break if not permanent at least temporary >UFN. > >I suggest if you are interested in running this list you contact me in >private, if so desired there can be a vote on the new LO of the Law >list, and I will offer them complete support in the admin of the list >and how to do the different files and configurations, I will also have >Esosoft turn the list over to their name and have mine removed. As of >right now I have the list payed up until November 1998. > >I will be stepping down effective May 4, I think that is more than >enough time for you all to decide who you want as the new LO. In case >anyone is wondering no I'm not leaving the list I'm just stepping down >as the LO and I'll still post the COTD's and summaries of trials I watch >and so on :) > >Thanks for your time :) >-- >Kathy E >"I can only please one person a day, today is NOT your day, and tomorrow >isn't looking too good for you either" >http://members.delphi.com/kathylaw/ Law & Issues Mailing List >http://pw1.netcom.com/~kathye/rodeo.html - Cowboy Histories >http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Lobby/2990/law.htm Crime photo's > >Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
L&I Judge rules on evidence in Ennis Cosby case
Kathy E <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: A racial slur allegedly made to a friend and jailhouse letters written by the man accused of killing Ennis Cosby may be used as evidence of a confession, a judge says. Over defense objections, Superior Court Judge David Perez agreed Wednesday to let prosecutors use the purported comment by Mikhail Markhasev, as well as letters he allegedly wrote in jail. Jury selection for his trial begins June 16. Cosby, son of entertainer Bill Cosby, was shot Jan. 16, 1997, while changing a flat tire on a roadside. Markhasev, a 19-year-old Ukrainian immigrant, was arrested nearly two months later. The judge said prosecutors may introduce the racial statement if they call the friend as a witness to testify about it. According to prosecutor Anne Ingalls, Markhasev told friend Michael Chang: ``I shot the nigger. It's all over the news.'' Deputy Public Defender Henry Hall said use of the word would be inflammatory and told reporters outside court that prosecutors were trying to bring up the language to hide weaknesses in their case. ``The prosecution's motive throughout this entire case has been that it was an attempted robbery,'' he said. ``For them to try to interject this race thing into it at this point seems to me to be reflective of some kind of concern that maybe it isn't what they thought it was.'' Hall also disputed the authenticity of the six letters he said were brought to authorities by an inmate identified as David Gomez. He said Gomez cannot be trusted because he has been convicted of attempted murder, is a perjurer, has a pending rape trial and wants leniency in his own cases. ``It's our position that Mr. Markhasev didn't write the letters,'' Hall said. Ingalls argued that handwriting analysis proved the letters were written by Markhasev and that Gomez ``only acted as a conduit.'' The content of the letters were not revealed. Court papers say Chang and another man, Christopher So, told police that Markhasev called Chang days after the slaying and asked for help in finding the gun he had thrown away the night of the shooting. The three looked for the gun but could not find it, and So later reported the matter to police, according to the papers. -- Kathy E "I can only please one person a day, today is NOT your day, and tomorrow isn't looking too good for you either" http://members.delphi.com/kathylaw/ Law & Issues Mailing List http://pw1.netcom.com/~kathye/rodeo.html - Cowboy Histories http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Lobby/2990/law.htm Crime photo's Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
L&I Lawyer in Brawley case jailed
Kathy E <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: A lawyer for one of the three defendants in the Tawana Brawley slander trial spent the night in jail as punishment for his third contempt of court charge in two days. Stephen Jackson, a lawyer for C. Vernon Mason, was taken to the Dutchess County Jail in a sheriff's van Wednesday after he finished his cross-examination of Steven Pagones and court ended for the day. Jackson was released this morning. Miss Brawley, who is black, claimed a group of white men abducted and raped her in November 1987, when she was 15. Pagones, a former assistant district attorney, sued the three defendants after they identified him as one of the white men. A special grand jury specifically exonerated Pagones after finding no evidence to support Miss Brawley's claims. Another defendant in the case, the Rev. Al Sharpton, predicted that Justice S. Barrett Hickman's decision to jail Jackson would backfire by rallying support for the defense. The judge had turned aside Sharpton's offer to serve the jail time for Jackson, who has an infant at home. ``We're getting calls from all over the country,'' an angry-looking Sharpton said as he strode through downtown Poughkeepsie. ``This will be the turning point in terms of mobilization for this trial.'' The courtroom brawl erupted moments after court began Wednesday as Hickman chastised Mason for not adhering to a gag order banning the lawyers from talking to media about discussions in chambers. Hickman said he would hold a hearing to consider filing contempt charges against Mason. When Jackson began to argue on behalf of his client, the judge ordered him to sit down, but Jackson continued to protest. ``You want to play rough? All right, you're in contempt again,'' Hickman said. ``I sentence you to spend a night in the Dutchess County Jail. Let's see if that's what you want to do.'' ``This is outrageous, your honor. You are a disgrace to the bench,'' Jackson shouted. ``Thank you very much,'' Hickman responded. Hickman on Wednesday also imposed a blanket gag order barring lawyers from talking to the media. Maddox left court at lunchtime with a handkerchief stuffed in his mouth. Outside the courthouse, Jackson said he was prepared to go to jail and attributed the judge's decision to racism. He said he has been practicing law for 12 years and has never before even been threatened with contempt. The bitterness began Tuesday as Hickman made a clear attempt to speed up the 6-month-old trial and rein in the defense team. When he gave Jackson a deadline to finish questioning Pagones, Jackson objected vehemently and was hit with two contempt charges. -- Kathy E "I can only please one person a day, today is NOT your day, and tomorrow isn't looking too good for you either" http://members.delphi.com/kathylaw/ Law & Issues Mailing List http://pw1.netcom.com/~kathye/rodeo.html - Cowboy Histories http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Lobby/2990/law.htm Crime photo's Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: L&I Lawyer in Brawley case jailed
moonshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Kathy E wrote: > Kathy E <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > A lawyer for one of the three defendants in the Tawana Brawley slander > trial spent the night in jail as punishment for his third contempt of Evenin' Kathy, Only one night for his third violation! Gee..Susan McDougal spent how many months for one violationsomething is wrong with the BIG picture. ...Mac Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: L&I Lawyer in Brawley case jailed
Sue Hartigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hi Mac: Glad to see you back. :) Sue > Evenin' Kathy, >Only one night for his third violation! Gee..Susan McDougal spent how many months > for one violationsomething is wrong with the BIG picture. > ...Mac -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
L&I Hubbell Indicted for Tax Evasion
Sue Hartigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: `The office of independent counsel could indict my dog. They can indict my cat. But I'm not going to lie about the president. I'm not going to lie about the first lady or anyone else. My wife and I are innocent,'' > Hubbell Indicted for Tax Evasion > WASHINGTON (AP) -- Striking a second time at President > Clinton's friend, Whitewater prosecutors charged > Webster Hubbell, his wife and two associates Thursday > with conspiring to avoid taxes on hundreds of thousands > of dollars in payments Hubbell received from Clinton > supporters. > > The 10-count grand jury indictment charged Hubbell with > evading taxes on income he received from Clinton > friends and political supporters who sought to assist > him after he resigned as associate attorney general. > > The financial help was set up after a March 1994 > meeting at the White House, alleged prosecutors, who > have been investigating whether the payments were > ``hush money'' to discourage Hubbell from cooperating > in an independent counsel's probe of Clinton's business > dealings. > > Hubbell, who then was first coming under criminal > investigation, ``performed little or no work'' for the > consulting fees he received in 1994, the prosecutors > alleged in the indictment. > > Some of Clinton's top aides have acknowledged seeking > clients and consulting work for Hubbell. > > Outside his Washington home, a downtrodden Hubbell told > reporters the charges were nothing more than > retribution because he failed to provide any > incriminating evidence against the Clintons. > > ``The office of independent counsel could indict my > dog. They can indict my cat. But I'm not going to lie > about the president. I'm not going to lie about the > first lady or anyone else. My wife and I are > innocent,'' he said. > > The indictment alleges that Hubbell and his wife Suzy, > who followed the Clintons from Arkansas to Washington > to work in the administration, owe the government more > than $894,000 in back taxes and penalties. > > It was returned 14 months after Hubbell, a golfing > buddy of the president and former law partner of > Hillary Rodham Clinton, was released from prison after > serving 21 months on charges he defrauded the Arkansas > law firm where he and the first lady used to work. > > The White House said in a statement late Thursday that > ``the president and first lady are very saddened by the > developments in this matter and feel bad for Webb and > Suzy Hubbell'' and the others named in the indictment. > > The indictment was the second setback for Clinton and > his supporters in two days. On Wednesday, it was > learned that a judge had rejected former White House > intern Monica Lewinsky's claim that she had been given > full immunity from prosecution, giving Whitewater > Independent Counsel Kenneth Starr new leverage to > compel her testimony before a grand jury. > > Hubbell's attorney, John Nields, decried the indictment > as excessive and said average Americans would never > have been charged in such a case. > > ``He has now paid his debt to society. He has > confessed. He has been punished and his family has been > brought to financial ruin and, as he tries to pick > himself up off his knees, the office of independent > counsel comes around and tries to prosecute him > again,'' Nields said. > > The indictment accuses the Hubbells, accountant Michael > C. Schaufele of Little Rock, Ark., and Little Rock tax > lawyer Charles C. Owen of conspiracy, tax evasion, > impeding and impairing the Internal Revenue Service and > mail fraud. > > It said the four defendants attempted to ``evade and > defeat the payment of a large part of the income tax > due'' by the Hubbells from 1989 to 1992 and 1994-95. It > accused Hubbell with substantially understating gross > business receipts, business income and adjusted gross > income while overstating business expenses. > > Schaufele was also accused of aiding in the preparation > of a false tax return. In Little Rock, Schaufele said > he was ``pretty shocked'' by the indictment. ``I know > that I really didn't do anything wrong,'' he said. > > The indictment said Hubbell and his wife earned more >
L&I McMillan Ends Job With Paula Jones
Sue Hartigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: McMillan Ends Job With Paula Jones > LITTLE ROCK, Ark. (AP) -- Susan Carpenter McMillan, the > sharp-tongued conservative activist who stepped in to > spruce up Paula Jones' public image, is bowing out as > her spokeswoman. > > Mrs. McMillan said this week she will head the campaign > of a conservative women's group to export California's > chemical castration law for repeat child molesters to > other states. > > Mrs. Jones' appeal of a judge's ruling throwing out her > sexual harassment lawsuit against President Clinton was > Mrs. McMillan's cue to return to her work with the > Women's Coalition, which deals with family and > children's issues in California. > > ``I'm trying to wind down from this,'' Mrs. McMillan > said in an interview Wednesday from her home in Santa > Monica, Calif. ``Unless it's overturned and Paula goes > to trial, there's really nothing much more that I can > do.'' > > Mrs. McMillan and Mrs. Jones were friends and > confidantes before Mrs. McMillan became her > spokeswoman. > > She first spoke for Mrs. Jones on the day the Supreme > Court unanimously voted to allow the lawsuit to go > forward. She described Mrs. Jones' reaction to the > ruling this way: ``In her cute little way, she said, > `Susie, can you believe it? Can you believe it?''' > > She also headed Mrs. Jones' legal fund before the > conservative Rutherford Institute began bankrolling the > court battle. She frequently appeared on national > broadcasts as Mrs. Jones' spokeswoman. > > Last fall, she was accused of causing a rift between > Mrs. Jones and her lawyers at the time, Joseph > Cammarata and Gilbert Davis, who quit over what they > said were differences over the direction of the case. > > Mrs. McMillan denied the allegation but criticized the > two lawyers' handling of the case, including their > proposal for a settlement involving payment of $700,000 > to her and a vague statement of regret from Clinton. > > When Mrs. Jones and her husband were audited by the > IRS, Mrs. McMillan accused a ``very Nixonite'' Clinton > administration of harassment. When lawyers began > delving into Mrs. Jones' sexual past, she suggested > that Clinton was addicted to sex. > > The frequency of her public pronouncements waned as > Mrs. Jones' new attorneys took firmer grip of her case. -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
L&I Murder Charge After Net Confession
Sue Hartigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Murder Charge After Net Confession > BISMARCK, N.D. (AP) -- Of dozens of messages posted > every day on the Internet by a support group for > problem drinkers, the 165-word message posted at 6:09 > a.m. on March 22 stood out. > > ``Amanda I murdered because her mother stood between > us,'' it said in part. > > Two other support group members messaged replies -- one > offering support, the other asking ``What do you mean, > you murdered your daughter?'' > > The author of the original message, posted by > ``lfroistl,'' followed hours later with a 562-word > reply detailing a bitter custody fight over Amanda and > how ``I got wickedly drunk, set our house on fire, went > to bed, listened to her scream twice, climbed out the > window and set about putting on a show of shock, > surprise and grief to remove culpability from myself.'' > > The messages led police to arrest Larry Froistad, a San > Diego computer programmer, and charge him with > murdering his 5-year-old daughter three years earlier > in Bowman, N.D., where Froistad had lived. > > The case has set off a debate about the confidentiality > of online support groups, where some members may assume > that the intimate stories they send over the Internet > are private. > > Froistad's attorneys say he will plead innocent at his > arraignment Friday. They contend the messages could > have been sent by someone else and are not admissible > evidence. > > ``I know that Larry loved his daughter very much, and > at this point we don't believe he's responsible -- that > this was in fact an accident,'' said Philip Sokol, a > San Diego attorney. > > The 1995 fire was ruled an accident. > > Neighbor Ralph Simonson recalled that on the night of > the fire Froistad was ``throwing buckets of water on > the house and yelling, `Amanda, come to the window.''' > > Police said Froistad, 29, called and confessed after > learning that support group members had notified > authorities about his postings. > > Jim Shirk, a chemical dependency therapist in Lakebay, > Wash., was one of three support group members who > notified police of the confession. > > ``I've listened to and read a lot of people confessing > to things and talk about things. After a while you get > a feeling for what's real and what's fantasy,'' Shirk > said. ``This struck me as being real.'' > > The messages appeared in a support group run by > Moderation Management Network Inc. Subscribers from > around the world can send and browse e-mail messages. > > Shirk said he was called a ``fink'' and a ``snitch'' by > other members. > > ``I definitely believe I did the right thing,'' he > said. > > San Diego police traced the messages to Froistad. The > department sent a notice to agencies across the nation > asking them to check their records of any fatal fires > and Bowman authorities responded. > > Bowman Police Chief Donald Huso said Froistad called > him March 27 and confessed to setting the fire. He was > arrested that day. > > ``He prefaced it by saying, `The memories I have of the > fire is that I set the fire,''' Huso said. > > If convicted of Class AA murder -- the highest murder > charge in North Dakota -- Froistad faces up to life in > prison without the chance for parole. There is no death > penalty in North Dakota. > > Bowman County State's Attorney Steven Wild said he > hesitated before reopening the case. > > ``The e-mail statement alone, there's questions about > whether that by itself would give us enough probable > cause to issue the complaint and the warrant,'' he > said. > > Sokol questioned whether the e-mail messages were > admissible evidence and said the confessions could be > considered hearsay, coerced and privileged. > > And Sokol noted the Bowman fire was ruled an accident. > > ``Before any statements made by someone can be admitted > against them in evidence, there has to be some evidence > that there was in fact a crime,'' he said. ``And that > remains to be seen at this point.'' > > Sam Dash, a Georgetown University law professor, said > an e-mail confession would be no different than someone > confessi
L&I Lewinsky Testimony May Be Near
Sue Hartigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Lewinsky Testimony May Be Near > WASHINGTON (AP) -- After three months of cat-and-mouse > maneuvering, prosecutors' chances of getting Monica > Lewinsky to testify before a grand jury on their own > terms may be improving. > > And with or without her testimony, there is plenty of > legal and political combustion yet to come as the > investigation into President Clinton's relationship > with the former White House intern inches forward. > > ``For the president, the most dangerous component of > this investigation remains ahead,'' said Jonathan > Turley, a law professor at George Washington > University. ``The final stage is always the most > precarious and dangerous for the critical players.'' > > As for Independent Counsel Kenneth Starr, he has new > leverage to try and push Ms. Lewinsky to testify about > her relationship with the president now that a federal > judge has rejected her argument that she had a binding > promise of full immunity from prosecution in exchange > for her testimony. > > Starr must now decide whether to try to secure her > cooperation on grounds more favorable to the > prosecution, force her to testify with a grant of > limited immunity from a judge, or indict her. > > ``That is ultimately a critical decision for them > because she remains the single most important witness > in the investigation,'' said Bruce Yannett, a > white-collar criminal defense lawyer. > > What Ms. Lewinsky's attorneys were seeking from > prosecutors is typically called full immunity -- a > promise not to prosecute on any charges. Prosecutors > still can offer her limited immunity -- a promise not > to prosecute her for anything she reveals to the grand > jury. > > William Ginsburg, her chief lawyer, said Thursday he > does not yet have a written order from the judge but > will appeal if it goes against his client. In the > meantime, he said he is no rush to get back to > Washington and reopen talks with prosecutors. > > ``Things are really rather slow from our perspective,'' > he told The Associated Press in an interview. ``Monica > and I are going to stay in Los Angeles until there is a > need to go back to Washington.'' > > He said his position remains the same -- his client > won't testify unless she has some form of immunity. > > Clinton must wait ``for the other shoe to drop, and the > other shoe is Monica Lewinsky,'' said Barbara Nicastro, > a former Justice Department prosecutor. > > The president, who has denied having sexual relations > with Ms. Lewinsky or engaging in any sort of cover-up, > dismissed suggestions at a midday news conference that > the possibility of her testifying should prompt him to > offer a fuller explanation. > > ``I really believe it's important for me not to say any > more about this,'' he said. > > So far, more than four dozen other witnesses have > testified before the grand jury as Starr gathers > evidence from lesser players in the unfolding White > House drama. > > In addition to the matter of Ms. Lewinsky's testimony, > there are a number of other big questions still to be > answered. Among them: > > --When will Linda Tripp testify and what will she say? > She is the one-time friend of Ms. Lewinsky who secretly > recorded conversations in which the young woman claimed > she had an affair with the president. Tripp is > cooperating with Starr's investigation but he has been > holding off on calling her before the grand jury. > > --Can Secret Service officers be forced to testify > about the president's activities? Officials at the > Justice and Treasury departments are arguing that > unless officers are excused from testifying, future > presidents will not allow them close enough to provide > effective protection. Starr's office maintains that law > enforcement officers shouldn't be barred from > testifying about potentially criminal behavior. > > --Can White House aides be forced to testify about > their private conversations with the president or the > first lady or among themselves? Clinton has invoked > executive privilege to keep some conversations > confidential; Starr's camp claims the privilege doesn't >
Re: L&I Woman Accused of Endangering Sons
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >Sue Hartigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > >Hi Terry: > >I understand what is going on with the legalized pot issue. > >But I don't understand what you mean by the blockading the Indian >gambling. How can they do that? > >Sue Just station police, or more simply signs or obstacles, on the roads to stop all vehicular traffic. Best, Terry "Lawyer - one trained to circumvent the law" - The Devil's Dictionary Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
L&I Man Kills Self on Calif. Freeway
Sue Hartigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Man Kills Self on Calif. Freeway > LOS ANGELES (AP) -- A man shot himself to death > Thursday on live television after stopping his truck on > a freeway overpass, aiming a shotgun at traffic and > unfurling a banner criticizing health maintenance > organizations. > > Television helicopters captured the drama as rush hour > traffic backed up for miles on several of the area's > busiest freeways. > > The man leaped from his truck when it burst into > flames, apparently trapping a dog in the cab. > > The man pulled off his burning clothes, went to the > edge of the overpass as if to jump, then backed off, > picked up the shotgun and shot himself. Some TV > stations airing the scene live were unable to edit the > graphic action. > > For nearly an hour before the man killed himself, > cameras were trained on him as he sat in the truck, > patted his dog, drank from a can, talked on a cellular > phone and fumbled with a backpack. > > He got in and out of the truck at least twice to unfurl > the banner, which read: ``HMO's are in it for the > money. Live free, love safe or die.'' -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
L&I Gingrich Urged To End Clinton Probe
Sue Hartigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Gingrich Urged To End Clinton Probe > WASHINGTON (AP) -- The House Democratic leader charged > Thursday that Speaker Newt Gingrich has abandoned any > pretense of fairness in an investigation of President > Clinton's 1996 campaign and should drop his > involvement. > > Gingrich's recent criticism of the White House and > congressional Democrats ``demeaned the office which he > is privileged to hold,'' Rep. Dick Gephardt of Missouri > added in remarks on the House floor. > > Gingrich brushed aside Gephardt's comments a short > while later during a speech to a Republican women's > group. ``I don't believe Democrats in America agree > with the Democrats in Washington about covering up > corruption,'' he said. > > The latest clash came as Republicans prepared for a > second attempt to win immunity from prosecution for > four witnesses in the campaign finance investigation > being run by Rep. Dan Burton, R-Ind. All Democrats on > the panel voted to block immunity last week, denying > the GOP the two-thirds majority needed. > > Democrats have sharply attacked Burton, who last week > called the president a ``scumbag.'' > > But Gingrich traveled to Indiana Wednesday night for a > political fund-raiser, where he defended Burton. ``I'd > rather stand next to an honest man who uses a clumsy > word than an illegal man who has five sharp spinners,'' > he said. > > The exchange between Gephardt and Gingrich came at a > time when the two parties are beginning work on a > series of issues -- education, drugs, taxes and > spending -- likely to play a major role in the midterm > elections this fall. > > Gingrich allies view his new rhetoric as a way to > energize activists whose votes are critical to > Republican chances in November, when control of the > House is at stake. They say calls to party > organizations are favorable, and there has been a surge > in campaign donations. > > Clinton and some congressional Democrats said politics > were at work. > > The rhetoric of the last few days has ``been about > politics,'' Clinton said. He declined at a news > conference to respond specifically to Gingrich's > allegations, but said, ``Nothing he says about me > personally, nothing, will keep me from working with him > and with other Republicans in the Congress to do > everything I possibly can on every issue before us.'' > > That was a marked departure from comments his > spokesman, Mike McCurry, had made Wednesday, when he > suggested the White House would be unable to work with > the speaker until ``he comes back to his senses.'' > > Some congressional Democrats were more pointed that > Clinton. > > ``Newt Gingrich is running for president. The right > wing is a very important part of his base,'' said Rep. > Barney Frank, D-Mass. Gingrich, he said, is giving > ``verbal compensation'' to those supporters against the > day when the investigations fail to prove any > wrongdoing by the president. > > Gingrich had been muted in his comments about Clinton > for months, including throughout a two-week national > tour on which he promoted his new book. His rhetorical > about-face came after other GOP leaders had begun to > criticize Clinton's behavior, and several sources said > lawmakers returned from a two-week break recently > saying party leaders should be more vocal. > > ``What you have lived through, for 2 1/2 long years, is > the most systematic, deliberate obstruction of justice, > cover-up and effort to avoid the truth we have every > seen in American history,'' he said Tuesday night. > > Gephardt stepped into the well of the House after three > straight days of critical comments by Gingrich, > including a statement Wednesday that the fate of > International Monetary Fund legislation the White House > wants would be linked to administration cooperation > with GOP investigators. > > ``There is more to the rule of law than after-dinner > rhetoric,'' the Democratic leader said. ``The rule of > law requires impartial and competent investigations. It > assumes the speaker will not prejudge the results of > these investigations. It requires, if not charity > toward
Re: Attachment Disorder was L&I Jones Appeal Difficult, But Not Impossible
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Viola Provenzano) writes: Hi Sue, I'm afraid I'm not as sympathetic toward throw-away kids as you are. It's very hard for me to be objective about people who bite the hand that feeds them. Yet, I can't deny that they are probably not morally responsible for what they do tknoe Vi "What the world needs more of is not love, but justice." Anon. __ _ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: L&I Cops Conclude Mass Murder in Ind.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Viola Provenzano) writes: Hi Sue, This was years ago, but I will do my best. Corona is dead now (I think). Guess the other prisoners didn't like him, for he lost an eye when he was stabbed by another inmate while in the penitentiary doing Life. He escaped the DP because California had no DP at the time he was tried and sentencedl.. He was given LWPOP for his crimes. When he ran amuk, he was the boss of a large labor crew for a California farmer. When a Mexican picker or laborer would arrive, Corona would meet him at the bus station in his pickup truck and sooner or later the new worker would suddenly vanish. Or, after his work stint, Corona would drive a worker to the bus statiion, but the bus never pulled out with this particular passenger aboard. Families made fruitless inquiries. The farmer never got to know his employees, leaving Corona to manage all of the laborers, their comings and goings.(talk about the fox guarding the hen house!! ) Thus, he literally got away with murder. This went on for years. I remember about 25 or more bodies were eventually found at the farm but he probably killed many, many more. He died without admitting guilt for even one slaying and in fact claimed his innocence until the very end.. Vi "What the world needs more of is not love, but justice." Anon. __ You wrote: . . .<<>> _ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
L&I Knife found near Simpsons House
-- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. [Image] [Image] Police Downplay Chance of New Clue in Killings Knife Found Near Simpson Home [Image] [Image] [Image][Image] U.S. ABCNEWS.com HEADLINES April 30 A pocketknife has been found near O.J. Simpsons former home and turned over to a police crime lab for tests, authorities said today. Construction crews working near Simpsons former home in Brentwood, Calif., discovered the pocketknife, the Los Angeles Police Department said. But police downplayed speculation that the knife could be connected to the stabbing and slashing deaths of Simpsons ex-wife, Nicole Brown Simpson, and her friend Ronald Goldman. The knife contained nothing of evidentiary value, police said.[Image] Simpson was acquitted of criminal charges in the 1994 slayings. A civil jury later found [Image] the former football star liable for the[Image] [deaths. Former Los Angeles Police Detective Mark Fuhrman, who in 1996 pleaded no contest to perjury charges stemming from his testimony in Simpsons criminal trial, seized upon the discovery as possible vindication. He said the knife could be important evidence. What are the odds, that across the street from a man charged with murder, that he used a Swiss army knife, with a lock-back design and a serrated blade, has an empty knife box in a house...and right across the street you find the knife that goes in the box? Fuhrman told radio station KXLY in Spokane, Wash. But ABC legal analyst Royal Oakes says that even if the knife were linked to Simpson, it would be too late for any criminal case. Even if smoking-gun type evidence were to be found pointing to Simpsons guilt, the double jeopardy rule prevents the government from putting him on trial again, Oakes said. [Image] [Image] Copyright (c)1998 ABCNEWS and Starwave [Image] [Image] Corporation. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, [Image] broadcast, rewritten or redistributed in any form.
Re: L&I New Trial for the list, locally tried
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kelly J West) writes: Lord help us all if he gets a good PR man! LOL Mr Robertson is dangerous enough as he is, I shudder to think what he would be capable of with better PR help. As an interesting side note, Pat Robertson is NOT an ordained minister, he gave up his ordination rights when he ran for president a few years back. Pat believed that God had told him to run for president and under that belief he surrendered his ordination rights. Apparently God neglected to tell Pat that he wouldn't win. Kelly On Wed, 29 Apr 1998 09:49:40 -0700 Sue Hartigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >Sue Hartigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > >Hi Kelly: > >Welcome to "the list". :) > >Sounds to me like this guy could use a PR firm to help him with his >speeches before he makes these blunders. > >Sue >> >> Pat conveniently settled the case on the second day of jury >selection. >> The amount of the settlement was kept private, but it was reported >that >> this is the third defamation suit he has settled out of court since >his >> now infamous "third rate mind" criticism of the law proffessors. >Seems to >> me that the only person witha third rate mind is Pat himself. >> Kelly >> p.s. thanks for the welcome! I hope that I can contribute to this >list as >> well as reap the benifits of others posts. > >-- >Two rules in life: > >1. Don't tell people everything you know. >2. > >Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues > _ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
L&I Police Press release on knife that was found
Sue Hartigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: LOS ANGELES, April 30 (UPI S) _ Los Angeles police say (Thursday) they haven't been able to link a knife found near O.J. Simpson's old estate to the stabbing and slashing deaths of the football legend's ex-wife and one of her friends. Police say the mud-encased knife was found by a construction crew, but contained nothing of evidentiary value. _- (Contact: LAPD press relations, 213-485-3586) -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: L&I Lawyer in Brawley case jailed
"Joan Moyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hello mac. Hope your vacation was enjoyable and informative. Glad to see you back in the list. Joan -- > From: Sue Hartigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: L&I Lawyer in Brawley case jailed > Date: Thursday, April 30, 1998 8:29 PM > > Sue Hartigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Hi Mac: > > Glad to see you back. :) > > Sue > > Evenin' Kathy, > >Only one night for his third violation! Gee..Susan McDougal spent how many months > > for one violationsomething is wrong with the BIG picture. > > ...Mac > > > -- > Two rules in life: > > 1. Don't tell people everything you know. > 2. > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
L&I Report: Unabomber Mulled Sex Change
Sue Hartigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: -- Theodore Kaczynski was lonely and frustrated over his failure to have a relationship with a woman and that may have set the confessed Unabomber on his killing spree, CBS News reported Thursday. The network reported that while Kaczynski was a graduate student at the University of Michigan he went to a campus psychiatrist to discuss a sex change operation. However, the network reported, Kaczynski was too ashamed to talk of his confused sex life, left the meeting and recorded his humiliation in his diary: ``Why not really kill that psychiatrist and anyone else whom I hate'' He described the experience as a turning point. ``I suddenly felt that I really could break out of my rut in life and do things that were daring, irresponsible or criminal.'' CBS said Kaczynski was desperate for companionship, and wrote of one woman: ``It would have been more important to me to have her care for me than to have physical sex. I could get by with just holding her hand.'' Kaczynski, 55, pleaded guilty to 13 counts involving the deaths of three people and the maiming of four others. In return, he was promised a life sentence without possibility of release. He acknowledged responsibility for all 16 of the Unabomber attacks between 1978 and 1995. He is to be formally sentenced Monday. -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: L&I New Trial for the list, locally tried
Sue Hartigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hi Kelly: Was he the one who went up on a mountain or something and then was asking for money. They all run together for me. :) Sue > Lord help us all if he gets a good PR man! LOL Mr Robertson is dangerous > enough as he is, I shudder to think what he would be capable of with > better PR help. As an interesting side note, Pat Robertson is NOT an > ordained minister, he gave up his ordination rights when he ran for > president a few years back. Pat believed that God had told him to run for > president and under that belief he surrendered his ordination rights. > Apparently God neglected to tell Pat that he wouldn't win. -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: Attachment Disorder was L&I Jones Appeal Difficult, But Not Impossible
Sue Hartigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hi Vi: It's just that it seems like a waste of humanity. I realize that there is nothing that anyone can do, but it just seems really sad that a 4-5-6 year old and less, has to end up like this. Sue > Hi Sue, > > I'm afraid I'm not as sympathetic toward throw-away kids as you are. > It's very hard for me to be objective about people who bite the hand > that feeds them. Yet, I can't deny that they are probably not morally > responsible for what they do > > tknoe -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: L&I Cops Conclude Mass Murder in Ind.
Sue Hartigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hi Vi: Thanks, now I remember the story. I just didn't follow it all that much at the time. I worked for Sacramento County Hospital/UCD at the time. I was in my 20's and wasn't that versed in this type of thing (not that you ever are). One day the administration had us close down the ER, and send what we could to other hospitals. Then they had to evacuate the lower floor. The next thing I knew these cops were bringing in all these bodies. There seemed like there were hundreds of them, but of course there weren't. The smell was horrible. It took forever to clear the air and be able to open the ER back up. Needless to say it was a very unpleasant and lasting experience. One that isn't forgotten soon. Sue > Hi Sue, > > This was years ago, but I will do my best. Corona is dead now (I > think). Guess the other prisoners didn't like him, for he lost an eye > when he was stabbed by another inmate while in the penitentiary doing > Life. He escaped the DP because California had no DP at the time he was > tried and sentencedl.. He was given LWPOP for his crimes. > > When he ran amuk, he was the boss of a large labor crew for a California > farmer. When a Mexican picker or laborer would arrive, Corona would meet > him at the bus station in his pickup truck and sooner or later the new > worker would suddenly vanish. Or, after his work stint, Corona would > drive a worker to the bus statiion, but the bus never pulled out with > this particular passenger aboard. Families made fruitless inquiries. > The farmer never got to know his employees, leaving Corona to manage all > of the laborers, their comings and goings.(talk about the fox guarding > the hen house!! ) Thus, he literally got away with murder. > > This went on for years. I remember about 25 or more bodies were > eventually found at the farm but he probably killed many, many more. He > died without admitting guilt for even one slaying and in fact claimed his > innocence until the very end.. > > Vi -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
L&I 2nd Billionaire Boy's conviction voided
Sue Hartigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: LOS ANGELES, April 30 (UPI) _ A second member of the Billionaire Boys Club may face a new trial after a federal judge overturned his conviction for the 1984 murder of a wealthy Iranian businessman. The reversal of 36-year-old Arben Dosti's conviction and life sentence comes two months after an appellate court freed his co- defendent, Reza Eslaminia. The appeals panel unanimously ruled in February that the jury may have been prejudiced against the two men after hearing a tape recording that was not introduced as evidence at the trial. During its deliberations, the jury was given a tape of a police interview with Eslaminia. The panel inadvertantly listened to the reverse side of the tape, which contained a statement by Eslaminia's brother, Ali, that may have discredited one of the main defense witnesses. Dosti and Eslaminia were convicted in 1988 for the kidnap and murder of Eslaminia's father, Hedayat, in what prosecutors believe was an extortion plot to bolster the Billionaire Boys Club's failing finances. An October trial has been scheduled for Eslaminia in San Mateo County. He is free on bail. Club founder Joe Hunt was also accused of killing 56-year-old Hedayat Eslaminia, but the charges were dropped after a jury deadlocked over conviction. Hunt remains behind bars after his 1987 conviction of murdering 42- year-old Ron Levin over a commodities swindle. Levin's body was never found and Hunt claimed he faked his own death. Hunt formed the investment and social club in 1983 with the sons of wealthy Southern California families, who shared a penchant for fast living and get-rich-quick schemes. A year later the club was broke. -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
