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Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Bill: He may be lurking. BG And if he is and this pisses him off, I am all for it. LOL Sue Hi Jackie, IMO, the only reason the subject of latent homosexuality ever came up with respect to Simpson is because people thought this would be a way to really get to him and cause him much anger and distress. Many experts in this field refer to this as psycho-babble. As you, Terry and others have pointed out, something like this is impossible to define, impossible to measure and impossible to prove under true scientific conditions. It also falls under the "who gives a shit" category. And since Simpson is not on the law list I doubt if we're succeeding in pissing him off much either. BG Bill -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
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Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thanks Terry I did not recognize the name at all, especially in connection with latent homosexuality as a factor in spousal abuse. I remember now that you and Yvonne put the name in context. But, wasn't he going to address the issues that Lenore Waller was going to mention as being the reasons she felt OJ didn't fit the profile?? This old brain is trying to remember : ). I confess I really had not heard that latent homosexuality was ever a part of the profile of a domestic abuser, so was surprised by that one. But, thanks for letting me know who Dutton is--in fairness, will have to see if he says anything different than what my references outline. jackief [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Jackie, Donald Dutton is a Canadian psychologist. From an old press clipping: The Families v. O.J. Simpson Judge Mulls Domestic Violence Profiling [-] Dutton, a research psychologist who specializes in spousal violence, testified that he would tell the jury about the factors that can lead to spousal homicide. Those characteristics include: previous violence in the household; jealousy; estrangement; stalking; and threats. Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Yvonne Where do I get this enlightening article. But, the first and foremost authority on what clinical analysis--domestic abuse, homosexuality, or ??? I have never heard of this man and would like to compare him to the references that I have. jackief You may have trouble with the spelling. I could find no popular works offered by Amazon books but here are a couple of aging references: http://www.acjnet.org/docs/wifabopf.html "An average of 100 women a year are murdered by their male partners according to Statistics Canada. Donald Dutton, Canadian author and researcher, estimates that repeated, severe violence occurs in one in 14 marriages." http://www.mhcva.on.ca/forconf.htm Simcoe County Mental Health Education 1997 Forensic Conference Report [Forensic Conference Home] [SCMHE Home Page][Image] (This article was originally published in Entre Nous Autumn 1997) High ratings for this year's forensic conference [Image] By Marnie Rice Director of Research [-] Friday's sessions on treatment tissues were extremely well-received. Donald Dutton discussed the profiles of men who abuse their female partners and the treatment implications. [-] Suggestions for speakers or topics would be welcomed: Please call Marnie Rice at (705)549-3181 ext. 2614 [Dutton appeared on television a number of times and has gathered statistics on deaths resulting from domestic violence. I have no idea of his qualifications but people have rushed to damn someone they know nothing about.] Yvonne wrote: "Yvonne " [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Read Donald Dutten's studies on spousal abuse. He is the foremost authority on clinical analyis. -Original Message- From: Kathy E [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, May 01, 1998 11:15 PM Subject: Re: LI Did Simpson have help in cover-up? Kathy E [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This is the most ludicrous thing I have read in a long time. I suggest you both learn a bit more about homosexuality and domestic violence before trying to theorize on something you have clearly shown you know nothing about. The easiest thing to do is to base knowledge on myths instead of facts. It's comments like this that just turn my stomach and clearly show me that the advancement of knowledge has a long way to go in human behavior no matter what people claim. Viola Provenzano wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Viola Provenzano) writes: Hi Yvonne, I've wondered about OJ's sexuality myself. Certainly his womanizing could be classified as "\Don Juanism" which is a case of the male fending off his desire for men by bedding a never ending series of women, preferably in one-night standsto show his contempt for the opposite sex. His treatment of Nicole would certainly fit into this pattern. Vi "What the world needs more of is not love, but justice." Anon. __ You wrote: I've always suspected Simpson of harboring homosexual tendencies.. . . -- Kathy E "I can only please one person a day, today is NOT your day, and tomorrow isn't looking too good for you either" http://members.delphi.com/kathylaw/ Law Issues Mailing List http://pw1.netcom.com/~kathye/rodeo.html - Cowboy Histories http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Lobby/2990/law.htm Crime photo's Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTEC
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Jackie, Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thanks Terry I did not recognize the name at all, especially in connection with latent homosexuality as a factor in spousal abuse. No doubt the mention of homosexuality triggered a heated response and mindless piling on. I am dubious myself about "latent homosexuality" being a factor in spousal abuse - whatever the hell it is. I challenge most anybody to even define what homosexuality is. Up to 50% of males have been said to have had homosexual experiences. How the hell does one distinguish? Count? I remember now that you and Yvonne put the name in context. But, wasn't he going to address the issues that Lenore Waller was going to mention as being the reasons she felt OJ didn't fit the profile?? In our usual ceremonial rituals of opposing adversaries in trials Dutton was advertised as the antidote to Lenore Walker's whoring of herself out to the Simpson defense. God, I wished in my own sadistic dreams Lenore Walker would face cross-examination on her thesis. Walker's own formulation was self-refuting. The reality is that Dutton was best able to demolish Dershowitz's sophomoric aphorism that only a tiny proportion of abusers kill their spouses. The lumping of all "abusers" together should be an obvious fallacy to those with the slightest acquaintance with statistics. Dutton had made a study of those who actually killed a spouse in order to project the profile of a likely killer. This old brain is trying to remember : ). I confess I really had not heard that latent homosexuality was ever a part of the profile of a domestic abuser, so was surprised by that one. My guess - underline guess - is that what Dutton is talking about is really feelings of inadequacy. It is underlined by the inability of a killer like Simpson to have social intercourse with females rather than a distinct characteristic. From my own experience male homosexuals as a group seem to be particular attracted to females as social friends because of the lack of a threat. I think it is the precise opposite with lesbians/ But, thanks for letting me know who Dutton is--in fairness, will have to see if he says anything different than what my references outline. jackief Best, Terry "Lawyer - one trained to circumvent the law" - The Devil's Dictionary Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: "Yvonne " [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Reasonably speaking, it's not the experience that defines one's sexual orientation. Wouldn't you say that it's one's sexual attraction? Well sure, Yvonne, that seems reasonable - assuming it is completely consensual of course. I suppose one can try to define hedonistic impulses that are separate from sexual attraction or even overcome repulsion. (That seems pretty much true of sex in general.) But I will be damned if I can see just how you can do it. Obviously there is attraction as well that is not sexual at all - despite Freud. Best, Terry "Lawyer - one trained to circumvent the law" - The Devil's Dictionary Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
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Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Jackie, No doubt the mention of homosexuality triggered a heated response and mindless piling on. I am dubious myself about "latent homosexuality" being a factor in spousal abuse - whatever the hell it is. I challenge most anybody to even define what homosexuality is. Up to 50% of males have been said to have had homosexual experiences. How the hell does one distinguish? Count? I would imagine that "latent homosexuality" means the person will not acknowledge thoughts etc. of erotic sensation towards the same sex?? But, to be honest, I have never heard it as a reason for spousal abuse. I think it is mentioned in regard to serial killers at time (Kathy, help on this one--I can't remember if that is still considered). My guess - underline guess - is that what Dutton is talking about is really feelings of inadequacy. It is underlined by the inability of a killer like Simpson to have social intercourse with females rather than a distinct characteristic. From my own experience male homosexuals as a group seem to be particular attracted to females as social friends because of the lack of a threat. I think it is the precise opposite with lesbians/ However, feelings of inadequacy are usually meant by most researchers I have read are really based on occupation and income--the wife earns more and the man's masculinity is based on the ole' provider role. But there may be more. As far as my own experience, my circle of friends includes both homosexuals, lesbians and heterosexuals and I haven't noticed any differences based on their sexual orientation. To me, homophobia produces so many of these myths that I wonder how some would explain any problem if they didn't have a scapegoat--others with a different sexual orientation than their own. jackief Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues -- In the sociology room the children learn that even dreams are colored by your perspective I toss and turn all night.Theresa Burns, "The Sociology Room" Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
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DocCec [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated 98-05-03 16:17:47 EDT, you write: As far as my own experience, my circle of friends includes both homosexuals, lesbians and heterosexuals and I haven't noticed any differences based on their sexual orientation. To me, homophobia produces so many of these myths that I wonder how some would explain any problem if they didn't have a scapegoat--others with a different sexual orientation than their own. jackief That's an easy one. They'd use a race other than their own, a language other than their own, or in desperation a gender other than their own. Doc Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: DocCec [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated 98-05-03 16:17:47 EDT, you write: As far as my own experience, my circle of friends includes both homosexuals, lesbians and heterosexuals and I haven't noticed any differences based on their sexual orientation. To me, homophobia produces so many of these myths that I wonder how some would explain any problem if they didn't have a scapegoat--others with a different sexual orientation than their own. jackief That's an easy one. They'd use a race other than their own, a language other than their own, or in desperation a gender other than their own. Doc Uh huh. Try this one, people: http://cybertowers.com/selfhelp/articles/glb/glbtphobia.html Is Homophobia Associated With Homosexual Arousal? by Henry E. Adams, Ph.D., Lester W. Wright, Jr., Ph.D. and Bethany A. Lohr New Study Links Homophobia with Homosexual arousal Questions Whether It Is Latent Homosexuality Or A Response to Anxiety Psychoanalytic theory holds that homophobia --the fear, anxiety, anger, discomfort and aversion that some ostensibly heterosexual people hold for gay individuals -- is the result of repressed homosexual urges that the person is either unaware of or denies. A study appearing in the August issue of the Journal of Abnormal Psychology, published by the American Psychological Association (APA), provides new empirical evidence that is consistent with that theory. --- So let's see: homophobes hate homosexuals because they are them. Obviously we have the example of J. Edgar Hoover, who is still awful hard to picture in a party dress. (Latent homosexuals BTW to the best of my understanding are not unacknowledged homosexuals but repressed homosexuals which is vastly different.) I have known many male homosexuals too, Jackie, though no admitted lesbians. If you compare Rock Hudson to Truman Capote most were no more obviously homosexual than Rock Hudson but some quite obviously were in Capote's mold. Surely no one would deny that that there are many such people. One I met was a hermaphrodite (no, I never checked - I was willing to take it on faith) which should explode the nonsense that genetics is not involved. Best, Terry "Lawyer - one trained to circumvent the law" - The Devil's Dictionary Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
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Kathy E [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This is the most ludicrous thing I have read in a long time. I suggest you both learn a bit more about homosexuality and domestic violence before trying to theorize on something you have clearly shown you know nothing about. The easiest thing to do is to base knowledge on myths instead of facts. It's comments like this that just turn my stomach and clearly show me that the advancement of knowledge has a long way to go in human behavior no matter what people claim. Viola Provenzano wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Viola Provenzano) writes: Hi Yvonne, I've wondered about OJ's sexuality myself. Certainly his womanizing could be classified as "\Don Juanism" which is a case of the male fending off his desire for men by bedding a never ending series of women, preferably in one-night standsto show his contempt for the opposite sex. His treatment of Nicole would certainly fit into this pattern. Vi "What the world needs more of is not love, but justice." Anon. __ You wrote: I've always suspected Simpson of harboring homosexual tendencies.. . . -- Kathy E "I can only please one person a day, today is NOT your day, and tomorrow isn't looking too good for you either" http://members.delphi.com/kathylaw/ Law Issues Mailing List http://pw1.netcom.com/~kathye/rodeo.html - Cowboy Histories http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Lobby/2990/law.htm Crime photo's Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
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Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Kathy Thank you Kathy. I couldn't believe it when I read the posts, but thought for once I should keep my fingers from doing any talking g jackief Kathy E wrote: Kathy E [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This is the most ludicrous thing I have read in a long time. I suggest you both learn a bit more about homosexuality and domestic violence before trying to theorize on something you have clearly shown you know nothing about. The easiest thing to do is to base knowledge on myths instead of facts. It's comments like this that just turn my stomach and clearly show me that the advancement of knowledge has a long way to go in human behavior no matter what people claim. Viola Provenzano wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Viola Provenzano) writes: Hi Yvonne, I've wondered about OJ's sexuality myself. Certainly his womanizing could be classified as "\Don Juanism" which is a case of the male fending off his desire for men by bedding a never ending series of women, preferably in one-night standsto show his contempt for the opposite sex. His treatment of Nicole would certainly fit into this pattern. Vi "What the world needs more of is not love, but justice." Anon. __ You wrote: I've always suspected Simpson of harboring homosexual tendencies.. . . -- Kathy E "I can only please one person a day, today is NOT your day, and tomorrow isn't looking too good for you either" http://members.delphi.com/kathylaw/ Law Issues Mailing List http://pw1.netcom.com/~kathye/rodeo.html - Cowboy Histories http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Lobby/2990/law.htm Crime photo's Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues -- In the sociology room the children learn that even dreams are colored by your perspective I toss and turn all night.Theresa Burns, "The Sociology Room" Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Jackie, Donald Dutton is a Canadian psychologist. From an old press clipping: The Families v. O.J. Simpson Judge Mulls Domestic Violence Profiling SANTA MONICA, Nov. 7 (Evening) -- Outside the presence of the jury, the plaintiffs Thursday afternoon in the O.J. Simpson civil trial argued that they should be allowed to put on witnesses to offer expert testimony on the profile of a person that would commit a domestic homicide. [-] Earlier in the afternoon Dr. Park Dietz, a forensic psychiatrist, and Donald Dutton, a psychologist and expert on spousal homicide took the stand to tell the judge what they would say in their testimony. [-] Dutton, a research psychologist who specializes in spousal violence, testified that he would tell the jury about the factors that can lead to spousal homicide. Those characteristics include: previous violence in the household; jealousy; estrangement; stalking; and threats. Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Yvonne Where do I get this enlightening article. But, the first and foremost authority on what clinical analysis--domestic abuse, homosexuality, or ??? I have never heard of this man and would like to compare him to the references that I have. jackief You may have trouble with the spelling. I could find no popular works offered by Amazon books but here are a couple of aging references: http://www.acjnet.org/docs/wifabopf.html "An average of 100 women a year are murdered by their male partners according to Statistics Canada. Donald Dutton, Canadian author and researcher, estimates that repeated, severe violence occurs in one in 14 marriages." http://www.mhcva.on.ca/forconf.htm Simcoe County Mental Health Education 1997 Forensic Conference Report [Forensic Conference Home] [SCMHE Home Page][Image] (This article was originally published in Entre Nous Autumn 1997) High ratings for this year's forensic conference [Image] By Marnie Rice Director of Research [-] Friday's sessions on treatment tissues were extremely well-received. Donald Dutton discussed the profiles of men who abuse their female partners and the treatment implications. [-] Suggestions for speakers or topics would be welcomed: Please call Marnie Rice at (705)549-3181 ext. 2614 [Dutton appeared on television a number of times and has gathered statistics on deaths resulting from domestic violence. I have no idea of his qualifications but people have rushed to damn someone they know nothing about.] Yvonne wrote: "Yvonne " [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Read Donald Dutten's studies on spousal abuse. He is the foremost authority on clinical analyis. -Original Message- From: Kathy E [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, May 01, 1998 11:15 PM Subject: Re: LI Did Simpson have help in cover-up? Kathy E [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This is the most ludicrous thing I have read in a long time. I suggest you both learn a bit more about homosexuality and domestic violence before trying to theorize on something you have clearly shown you know nothing about. The easiest thing to do is to base knowledge on myths instead of facts. It's comments like this that just turn my stomach and clearly show me that the advancement of knowledge has a long way to go in human behavior no matter what people claim. Viola Provenzano wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Viola Provenzano) writes: Hi Yvonne, I've wondered about OJ's sexuality myself. Certainly his womanizing could be classified as "\Don Juanism" which is a case of the male fending off his desire for men by bedding a never ending series of women, preferably in one-night standsto show his contempt for the opposite sex. His treatment of Nicole would certainly fit into this pattern. Vi "What the world needs more of is not love, but justice." Anon. __ You wrote: I've always suspected Simpson of harboring homosexual tendencies.. . . -- Kathy E "I can only please one person a day, today is NOT your day, and tomorrow isn't looking too good for you either" http://members.delphi.com/kathylaw/ Law Issues Mailing List http://pw1.netcom.com/~kathye/rodeo.html - Cowboy Histories http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Lobby/2990/law.htm Crime photo's Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues -- In the sociology room the children learn that even dreams are colored by your perspective I toss and turn all night.Theresa Burns, "The Sociology Room" Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsu
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"Yvonne " [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Reading as much as one can is always sage advice. -Original Message- From: William J. Foristal [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Saturday, May 02, 1998 1:34 PM Subject: Re: LI Did Simpson have help in cover-up? [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William J. Foristal) writes: I'd suggest reading several books on this subject and not relying on the opinions of any one person regardless of whether people think he or she is the foremost authority on it. The comments about homosexual tendencies, latent or overt, are examples of the silly stereotypes that people like to assign to things like homosexuality. The hilarious thing about this is that the people who assign these stereotypes probably come into contact with dozens of homosexuals during their daily lives and don't have a clue that these people are homosexual. Bill On Fri, 1 May 1998 23:56:49 -0700 "Yvonne " [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: "Yvonne " [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Read Donald Dutten's studies on spousal abuse. He is the foremost authority on clinical analyis. -Original Message- From: Kathy E [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, May 01, 1998 11:15 PM Subject: Re: LI Did Simpson have help in cover-up? Kathy E [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This is the most ludicrous thing I have read in a long time. I suggest you both learn a bit more about homosexuality and domestic violence before trying to theorize on something you have clearly shown you know nothing about. The easiest thing to do is to base knowledge on myths instead of facts. It's comments like this that just turn my stomach and clearly show me that the advancement of knowledge has a long way to go in human behavior no matter what people claim. Viola Provenzano wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Viola Provenzano) writes: Hi Yvonne, I've wondered about OJ's sexuality myself. Certainly his womanizing could be classified as "\Don Juanism" which is a case of the male fending off his desire for men by bedding a never ending series of women, preferably in one-night standsto show his contempt for the opposite sex. His treatment of Nicole would certainly fit into this pattern. Vi "What the world needs more of is not love, but justice." Anon. __ You wrote: I've always suspected Simpson of harboring homosexual tendencies.. . . -- Kathy E "I can only please one person a day, today is NOT your day, and tomorrow isn't looking too good for you either" http://members.delphi.com/kathylaw/ Law Issues Mailing List http://pw1.netcom.com/~kathye/rodeo.html - Cowboy Histories http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Lobby/2990/law.htm Crime photo's Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues _ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
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"Yvonne " [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I've always suspected Simpson of harboring homosexual tendencies. His known habit of spending hours on the telephone, his gossiping, his verbal gifts, his large group of male friends, his beating his wives. As such, killing Nicole because he was finally abandoned doesn't seem to have been strong enough for the strenuous exercise of killing. But if a man was involveda man who was what he was 20 years ago, handsome, successful, Heisman Trophy winner, well, that was a real thrat. Can't believe that I've missed this now-obvious angle for the past 4 years. -Original Message- From: Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, April 29, 1998 1:04 PM Subject: LI Did Simpson have help in cover-up? Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Someone assisted in hiding evidence, Petrocelli says The lawyer who won the civil case against O.J. Simpson says he believes he now knows why the former football star killed his ex-wife and Ronald Goldman. In an interview with Stone Phillips of Dateline, Daniel Petrocelli also says he believes Simpson had help covering up evidence of the crime. I GOT CONSUMED in trying to figure out, why did O.J. Simpson kill Nicole? That just haunted me, Petrocelli says. For Petrocelli, it was a consuming mystery: What could have made Simpson snap? What one event or individual could possibly have sent him into a murderous rage? Petrocelli is convinced he found the answer. When I asked his friends, What do you think made him do it? this is what they always told me, Petrocelli says. And he says he heard it from more than just one or two people: I heard it from four or five different friends, close friends now. The man who proved in the civil trial that Simpson was responsible for the murders of his ex-wife and Goldman details those allegations in his new book, Triumph of Justice. Weighing in at more than 600 pages, the book is chock full of inside information and some never-before-heard anecdotes involving the key players: Like, how Kato Kaelin says he was treated behind closed doors by Marcia Clark. He was treated like a dog, Petrocelli maintains. In fact he said shed throw a pretzel across the table every time he got an answer right. How Petrocelli says he could tell when Simpson was lying on the stand: He starts hyperventilating, Petrocelli says. He starts breathing heavily, he has this vacant look in his eyes. He doesnt make eye contact sometime he gets bug-eyed. And a stunning claim about the night of the murders: Stone Phillips: You believe there was an accessory after the fact in this murder? Petrocelli: Im positive of that. AN UNLIKELY SLEUTH Petrocelli seems an unlikely sleuth. He grew up in New Jersey, the son of a railroad mechanic and a factory worker. And for years, the only bar he thought about joining was the bar-scene, as a jazz musician. Only after college did he trade his nightclub dreams for night school and become a lawyer. He was a successful, but low-profile, business attorney when out-of-the-blue a client, troubled by the not-guilty verdict in the Simpson criminal trial, put him in touch with Fred Goldman. Phillips: You didnt exactly know your way around the cop shop. Petrocelli: No, no. I was the last person in the world who Fred should have hired. Phillips: How many cases had you argued start to finish before a jury? Petrocelli: One. I had had many trials before judges and arbitrators, but only one
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: "Yvonne " [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I've always suspected Simpson of harboring homosexual tendencies. His known habit of spending hours on the telephone, his gossiping, his verbal gifts, his large group of male friends, his beating his wives. Geez, Yvonne, that seems to me the reverse. Verbal gifts and the telephone aside those who even have an excess of testosterone are more likely characterized by the latter. Homosexual males tend to have female friends. As such, killing Nicole because he was finally abandoned doesn't seem to have been strong enough for the strenuous exercise of killing. But if a man was involveda man who was what he was 20 years ago, handsome, successful, Heisman Trophy winner, well, that was a real thrat. Can't believe that I've missed this now-obvious angle for the past 4 years. I have always been skeptical of anything Faye Resnik said as a personal matter. She sold out a murdered friend but Petrocelli sure has a point if her stories have been backed up by others and have never been contradicted. It doesn't seem to me to take much to set Simpson off. This psycho may have been particularly bothered by Allen as Petrocelli speculates. I suspect there will never be anything really conclusive. Best, Terry "Lawyer - one trained to circumvent the law" - The Devil's Dictionary Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
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"Yvonne " [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Why "sold out," Terry? She told the truth. She might have lived an unsavory life style, but she did feel compelled to first point her finger at the killer. I've never, for the life of me, been able to understand all of the criticism that's been heeped upon her. Read Shiela Weller's book. It's all verified. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, April 29, 1998 2:39 PM Subject: Re: LI Did Simpson have help in cover-up? [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: "Yvonne " [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I've always suspected Simpson of harboring homosexual tendencies. His known habit of spending hours on the telephone, his gossiping, his verbal gifts, his large group of male friends, his beating his wives. Geez, Yvonne, that seems to me the reverse. Verbal gifts and the telephone aside those who even have an excess of testosterone are more likely characterized by the latter. Homosexual males tend to have female friends. As such, killing Nicole because he was finally abandoned doesn't seem to have been strong enough for the strenuous exercise of killing. But if a man was involveda man who was what he was 20 years ago, handsome, successful, Heisman Trophy winner, well, that was a real thrat. Can't believe that I've missed this now-obvious angle for the past 4 years. I have always been skeptical of anything Faye Resnik said as a personal matter. She sold out a murdered friend but Petrocelli sure has a point if her stories have been backed up by others and have never been contradicted. It doesn't seem to me to take much to set Simpson off. This psycho may have been particularly bothered by Allen as Petrocelli speculates. I suspect there will never be anything really conclusive. Best, Terry "Lawyer - one trained to circumvent the law" - The Devil's Dictionary Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Viola Provenzano) writes: Hi Yvonne, I've wondered about OJ's sexuality myself. Certainly his womanizing could be classified as "\Don Juanism" which is a case of the male fending off his desire for men by bedding a never ending series of women, preferably in one-night standsto show his contempt for the opposite sex. His treatment of Nicole would certainly fit into this pattern. Vi "What the world needs more of is not love, but justice." Anon. __ You wrote: I've always suspected Simpson of harboring homosexual tendencies.. . . _ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: LI Did Simpson have help in cover-up?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Viola Provenzano) writes: Hi Yvonne and Terry, IMO Faye Resnick did not sell out her friend, but needed money badly and told the truth as she saw it. As far as I can tell, everything she said has been verified and the public's perception of her based on Cocran's smoke and mirrors is very unjust. Vi "What the world needs more of is not love, but justice." Anon. __ Yvonne wrote: Why "sold out," Terry? She told the truth. She might have lived an unsavory life style, but she did feel compelled to first point her finger at the killer. I've never, for the life of me, been able to understand all of the criticism that's been heeped upon her. . . _ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
