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Peggy Baldwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Kathy, I have noticed lately that you are being kind of nasty or overly blunt with your wording. This is in regards to comments you email to the list even if the message isn't to you personally. Why is my question? What seems to be bothering you for the past few weeks? You seem to have look down on a few people and think that you are a expert yourself on all things. The way I read other peoples posts here is that it is just their own personal thoughts and ideas. I see nothing wrong with that. Lately you haven't posted a pleasant note instead you want to jump on people for their thoughts. This is what has stopped me from posting for the 2 yrs that I have been lurking. When I first came on I thought you were really a great person and very helpful. That is why I can see the change and am just wondering what happened? Peg Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
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Kathy E [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have it easier :) I just put Alesha in the hallway and they keep their doors shut LOL Not that their afraid of her, matterfact Ashley and Alesha get along great, but they don't want her in their rooms, so they won't open their doors if she's in the hallway LOL Once they learn that they can get in and out before she can get in the room I'm SOL! Sue Hartigan wrote: Hi Kathy: I see what you mean, but it isn't a typo. LOL My grandsons are 3 and 4. They were driving me nuts. So I sent them to their room upstairs to watch Disney videos, color, or whatever. They kept coming out and getting into everything. Until the dog stationed herself at the bottom of the stairs. Everytime they would open the door to sneak out Coco would growl, so they shut the door and kept playing. This morning they woke up at 5 AM, Ron heard the door open, heard the dog growl, and heard the door shut. They went back to bed and didn't get up until 8am. I do let them out to eat. :) It works. BG BTW Coco wouldn't hurt them at all, and they really aren't that afraid of her. But just aren't sure. Sue The grandma from hell. :) -- Kathy E "I can only please one person a day, today is NOT your day, and tomorrow isn't looking too good for you either" http://members.delphi.com/kathylaw/ Law Issues Mailing List http://pw1.netcom.com/~kathye/rodeo.html - Cowboy Histories http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Lobby/2990/law.htm Crime photo's Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
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Robert Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: hi sue i think kathy is talking about...I works wonders bob,wa Sue Hartigan wrote: Tell her if she needs help babysitting, use her dog. I works wonders. BG^ LMAO! I dont suffer from stress.I'M a carrier.. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] (William J. Foristal) writes: Hi Kathy, Yeah, I read about those storms and how they were hitting areas that usually don't see tornado's. Glad they missed you. Wow, only nine notes this morning! Server must be acting up a bit, although these notes seem to have gotten back and forth quickly. Perhaps every one is taking an Easter break. Bill On Fri, 10 Apr 1998 22:09:11 -0400 Kathy E [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Kathy E [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Bill :) I was expecting server problems today, due to the weather that is going around, matterfact we had a tornado touch town yesterday right by me, luckily no damage to my house, and no one killed here, a couple were trapped under a roof that fell but they were rescued and will be okay :) But that was one heck of a storm! :) I was watching the pine trees in my front yard bending over waiting for one of them to break, I'm glad they didn't :) William J. Foristal wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William J. Foristal) writes: HI Kathy, It looks like it's the server. Not many notes at all today. Bill On Fri, 10 Apr 1998 20:28:31 -0400 Kathy E [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Kathy E [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Is everyone just getting the postings I did on Tuesday? I am and I'm just wondering if it's me or the server. Thanks -- Kathy E "I can only please one person a day, today is NOT your day, and tomorrow isn't looking too good for you either" http://members.delphi.com/kathylaw/ Law Issues Mailing List http://pw1.netcom.com/~kathye/rodeo.html - Cowboy Histories http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Lobby/2990/law.htm Crime photo's Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues _ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues -- Kathy E "I can only please one person a day, today is NOT your day, and tomorrow isn't looking too good for you either" http://members.delphi.com/kathylaw/ Law Issues Mailing List http://pw1.netcom.com/~kathye/rodeo.html - Cowboy Histories http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Lobby/2990/law.htm Crime photo's Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues _ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
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"Steve Wright" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yes I've just read all about that on Yahoo news, with all thats gone on in Ireland, everything else has been but on a back burner by our media, our thoughts go out too all those that have lost there homes and lives this Easter. Steve -Original Message- From: William J. Foristal [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Saturday, April 11, 1998 3:57 PM Subject: Re: LI Question [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William J. Foristal) writes: Hi Kathy, Yeah, I read about those storms and how they were hitting areas that usually don't see tornado's. Glad they missed you. Wow, only nine notes this morning! Server must be acting up a bit, although these notes seem to have gotten back and forth quickly. Perhaps every one is taking an Easter break. Bill On Fri, 10 Apr 1998 22:09:11 -0400 Kathy E [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Kathy E [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Bill :) I was expecting server problems today, due to the weather that is going around, matterfact we had a tornado touch town yesterday right by me, luckily no damage to my house, and no one killed here, a couple were trapped under a roof that fell but they were rescued and will be okay :) But that was one heck of a storm! :) I was watching the pine trees in my front yard bending over waiting for one of them to break, I'm glad they didn't :) William J. Foristal wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William J. Foristal) writes: HI Kathy, It looks like it's the server. Not many notes at all today. Bill On Fri, 10 Apr 1998 20:28:31 -0400 Kathy E [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Kathy E [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Is everyone just getting the postings I did on Tuesday? I am and I'm just wondering if it's me or the server. Thanks -- Kathy E "I can only please one person a day, today is NOT your day, and tomorrow isn't looking too good for you either" http://members.delphi.com/kathylaw/ Law Issues Mailing List http://pw1.netcom.com/~kathye/rodeo.html - Cowboy Histories http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Lobby/2990/law.htm Crime photo's Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues _ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues -- Kathy E "I can only please one person a day, today is NOT your day, and tomorrow isn't looking too good for you either" http://members.delphi.com/kathylaw/ Law Issues Mailing List http://pw1.netcom.com/~kathye/rodeo.html - Cowboy Histories http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Lobby/2990/law.htm Crime photo's Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues _ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
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Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Bill and Kathy: Are those tornados any where near Kaye do you know? Or Centerville, Georgia? My daughters inlaws live there. Sue Hi Kathy, Yeah, I read about those storms and how they were hitting areas that usually don't see tornado's. Glad they missed you. Wow, only nine notes this morning! Server must be acting up a bit, although these notes seem to have gotten back and forth quickly. Perhaps every one is taking an Easter break. Bill -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] (William J. Foristal) writes: HI Sue, I don't think a tornado would dare go near Kaye. She's too dangerous for them. :) I don't think she lives near where they hit. Bill On Sat, 11 Apr 1998 12:20:27 -0700 Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Bill and Kathy: Are those tornados any where near Kaye do you know? Or Centerville, Georgia? My daughters inlaws live there. Sue Hi Kathy, Yeah, I read about those storms and how they were hitting areas that usually don't see tornado's. Glad they missed you. Wow, only nine notes this morning! Server must be acting up a bit, although these notes seem to have gotten back and forth quickly. Perhaps every one is taking an Easter break. Bill -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues _ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
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Kathy E [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I've been playing on line scrabble with Kaye and she hasn't mentioned any problems with Tornado's though she has mentioned a problem with a couple of hurricanes that have uprooted her life for a while, namely her grandkids (G). Sue Hartigan wrote: Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Bill and Kathy: Are those tornados any where near Kaye do you know? Or Centerville, Georgia? My daughters inlaws live there. -- Kathy E "I can only please one person a day, today is NOT your day, and tomorrow isn't looking too good for you either" http://members.delphi.com/kathylaw/ Law Issues Mailing List http://pw1.netcom.com/~kathye/rodeo.html - Cowboy Histories http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Lobby/2990/law.htm Crime photo's Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
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Kathy E [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This typo is hilarious! LMAO! Look below! Sue Hartigan wrote: Hi Kathy: LMAO, I have the twin hurricanes here. My daughter in law dropped them off yesterday for 3 whole days. Tell her if she needs help babysitting, use her dog. I works wonders. BG^ LMAO! -- Kathy E "I can only please one person a day, today is NOT your day, and tomorrow isn't looking too good for you either" http://members.delphi.com/kathylaw/ Law Issues Mailing List http://pw1.netcom.com/~kathye/rodeo.html - Cowboy Histories http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Lobby/2990/law.htm Crime photo's Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
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Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Kathy: I see what you mean, but it isn't a typo. LOL My grandsons are 3 and 4. They were driving me nuts. So I sent them to their room upstairs to watch Disney videos, color, or whatever. They kept coming out and getting into everything. Until the dog stationed herself at the bottom of the stairs. Everytime they would open the door to sneak out Coco would growl, so they shut the door and kept playing. This morning they woke up at 5 AM, Ron heard the door open, heard the dog growl, and heard the door shut. They went back to bed and didn't get up until 8am. I do let them out to eat. :) It works. BG BTW Coco wouldn't hurt them at all, and they really aren't that afraid of her. But just aren't sure. Sue The grandma from hell. :) This typo is hilarious! LMAO! Look below! Sue Hartigan wrote: Hi Kathy: LMAO, I have the twin hurricanes here. My daughter in law dropped them off yesterday for 3 whole days. Tell her if she needs help babysitting, use her dog. I works wonders. BG^ LMAO! -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
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Kathy E [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Is everyone just getting the postings I did on Tuesday? I am and I'm just wondering if it's me or the server. Thanks -- Kathy E "I can only please one person a day, today is NOT your day, and tomorrow isn't looking too good for you either" http://members.delphi.com/kathylaw/ Law Issues Mailing List http://pw1.netcom.com/~kathye/rodeo.html - Cowboy Histories http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Lobby/2990/law.htm Crime photo's Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
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Kathy E [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Bill :) I was expecting server problems today, due to the weather that is going around, matterfact we had a tornado touch town yesterday right by me, luckily no damage to my house, and no one killed here, a couple were trapped under a roof that fell but they were rescued and will be okay :) But that was one heck of a storm! :) I was watching the pine trees in my front yard bending over waiting for one of them to break, I'm glad they didn't :) William J. Foristal wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William J. Foristal) writes: HI Kathy, It looks like it's the server. Not many notes at all today. Bill On Fri, 10 Apr 1998 20:28:31 -0400 Kathy E [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Kathy E [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Is everyone just getting the postings I did on Tuesday? I am and I'm just wondering if it's me or the server. Thanks -- Kathy E "I can only please one person a day, today is NOT your day, and tomorrow isn't looking too good for you either" http://members.delphi.com/kathylaw/ Law Issues Mailing List http://pw1.netcom.com/~kathye/rodeo.html - Cowboy Histories http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Lobby/2990/law.htm Crime photo's Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues _ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues -- Kathy E "I can only please one person a day, today is NOT your day, and tomorrow isn't looking too good for you either" http://members.delphi.com/kathylaw/ Law Issues Mailing List http://pw1.netcom.com/~kathye/rodeo.html - Cowboy Histories http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Lobby/2990/law.htm Crime photo's Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
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Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Jackie: Do you think it is possible that the antisocial behavior could be due to the fact that there is so many different ways now to relate to people without face to face confrontation. Such as email. :) People don't have to get involved personally with anyone anymore in order to survive in the world. And if they want company all they have to do is turn on the puter, television, etc and they have company. They don't have to interact if they don't want to, and if they disagree with something said they can either turn it off, or come back with whatever they want without fear of reprisal. A person can live perfect fine without ever leaving the house now. There are jobs that can be done at home, order in food or whatever you need, and communicate via phone and puter. You don't even have to go to the bank you can do that via puter. With less and less interacting with society, there is little need to be social. You can carry on a relationship with people without ever even knowing anything about them. Only what they chose to tell you, which may or may not be true. Heck you can even have sex. LOL Sue Hi Sue and Steve Just skimmed the article Sue. Am playing catchup again. We have not been able to get into the server--stupid thing. We are discussing genes in developmental this week. Real controversery about nature vrs nurture as you know. But of course I fall on the side of nurture more so than nature. Do know that there is some interesting research in that area in regard to personality traits. The students handed in articles, so as I read them will fill you in on the latest research if you like. One pretty good article points out the difference between a person's genotype and phenotype. And it appears that your phenotype is considerably influenced by the environment, so even if you are born with personality traits you may not express them. Not unless the environment is conducive to the expression of those traits. I think it is the same as the old diasthesis-stress approach to personality. The predisposition may be there, but the person has to be exposed to the right stressors or stimuli before the predispostion "kicks" in. They were using that idea in the 80s as a possible explanation for alcoholism, etc. Can't remember if I kept my old abnormal or psychology books, but it is book request time again (Christmas in April and May for me--G). One thing that is often forgotten is that if there is a genetic basis for a personality trait does not mean the person necessarily demonstrates the trait negatively. Many successful politican, surgeons, and policemen would be classified as having antisocial personality characteristics. In fact there is some speculation that the culture of American has resulted in a majority of the population being antisocials to some degree. jackief -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
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Kathy E [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Doc :) Yes it is, but the way I look at this case is, he realized he was going to be found guilty due to the evidence and just decided the heck with it, mize we'll just get it over with instead of going through the trial also. At least that's my take on it. DocCec wrote: Isn't that a bit unusual, a guilty plea in a capital murder case without a pledge of non-capital punishment? Why the guilty plea at all, under such circumstances? Doc -- Kathy E "I can only please one person a day, today is NOT your day, and tomorrow isn't looking too good for you either" http://members.delphi.com/kathylaw/ Law Issues Mailing List http://pw1.netcom.com/~kathye/rodeo.html - Cowboy Histories http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Lobby/2990/law.htm Crime photo's Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
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DocCec [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated 98-03-24 00:34:27 EST, you write: f your talking about the Vampire case in FL, it was already to go to trial but then the kid decided to plead guilty, they just had the sentencing hearing and he was given the death penalty, I think I did a complete case summary of this last week under the heading of Vampire murder. Isn't that a bit unusual, a guilty plea in a capital murder case without a pledge of non-capital punishment? Why the guilty plea at all, under such circumstances? Doc Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] (William J. Foristal) writes: On Mon, 23 Mar 1998 21:05:20 EST DocCec [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: DocCec [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated 98-03-23 19:40:52 EST, you write: Do you think there is a possibility of there being a genetic link that bonds people like serial killers or rapists? Steve Now there's a scary thought! The "Bad Seed" revisited? And did anyone see where the book and the movie have both been re-released this month? Interesting juxtaposition of publishing with the nightly news. Doc HI Doc, The original was a terrific movie, IMO. Much better than the more recent "The Good Son" starring MacCauley Culkin. Bill _ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
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Kathy E [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Doc :) This case your talking about sounds really interesting! I hope you can do some summaries up for us! The Jones case on CTV is fascinating to me, I am driving Scott crazy, he hates court stuff, guess I should have told him he was going to be stuck listening to Court all day and watching Bonanza at night when he married me huh? LOL Oh well he knows now after 10 years of marriage LOL I have the TV on watching this trial all day, taking notes here and there, but listening to it in the background while doing other work :) I completely believe in the killing two birds with one stone saying :) I will be able to get back to doing the COTD's now since things have settled down concerning the other business I was taking care of :) I appreciate everyone's patience in that :) Well time to run to the post office :) TTYL :) DocCec wrote: DocCec [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated 98-03-22 22:22:31 EST, you write: I've been doing the daily summaries on the family massacre trial CTV is airing right now, and I have received positive feedback in private email, so I guess we're not the only ones bored with the Clinton thing either :) I've enjoyed those, Kathy, and of course your COTD things also. The Ruthann Aron trial is perhaps more of local interest, but the fact that she was a legislator and has functioned well in that role for quite awhile makes the whole thing about mental illness interesting to me. She's a weird looking person, but one can't judge completely from appearance of course. She seems to have no expression except for the times she's glaring or crying, and one sometimes suspects that the crying is for the cameras. (Yes, there are cameras in the courtroom, though we aren't seeing more than a few snippets here and there.) Doc -- Kathy E "I can only please one person a day, today is NOT your day, and tomorrow isn't looking too good for you either" http://members.delphi.com/kathylaw/ Law Issues Mailing List http://pw1.netcom.com/~kathye/rodeo.html - Cowboy Histories http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Lobby/2990/law.htm Crime photo's Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
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DocCec [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated 98-03-23 19:40:52 EST, you write: Do you think there is a possibility of there being a genetic link that bonds people like serial killers or rapists? Steve Now there's a scary thought! The "Bad Seed" revisited? And did anyone see where the book and the movie have both been re-released this month? Interesting juxtaposition of publishing with the nightly news. Doc Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] (William J. Foristal) writes: HI Kathy, That's what makes the statement so damaging to her. No one coerced her to say that on the statement. It's what she wrote. Obviously, she was mistaken about not meeting with Clinton, but the meaning of the statement seems to be that if she had such a horrible experience she would have remembered it when she made the statement after her husband's death. Bill On Fri, 20 Mar 1998 17:37:01 -0500 Kathy E [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Kathy E [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But Sue we already know that statement is false, her and Clinton both admit they met that day. So now I'm left wondering why did they want her to sign a statement saying she didn't meet with anyone? There is something fishy going on I'm just not sure what it is. Yet there has to be a reason they wanted her to say she didn't meet with anyone. Sue Hartigan wrote: Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Kathy: According to the lawyer who is handling the case for the clients her husband stole the money from, Kathleen made a sworn statement which said the on the day of her husband's death she went to the WH to do her daily job, and talked to no one there that day. She is also still legally responsible for the money that her husband stole which is in the neighborhood of 30 thousand dollars. And the clients are actively trying to recover it. I got this off of Bryant Gumbles show last night, where the attorney appeared with the sworn statement of Kathleen's. :( -- Kathy E "I can only please one person a day, today is NOT your day, and tomorrow isn't looking too good for you either" http://members.delphi.com/kathylaw/ Law Issues Mailing List http://pw1.netcom.com/~kathye/rodeo.html - Cowboy Histories http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Lobby/2990/law.htm Crime photo's Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues _ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] (William J. Foristal) writes: Hi Sue, Well I think a good argument could be made that if someone's statements under oath are all consistent, then what they say when not under oath could be construed as idle gossip, boasting and making up tales. But the immunity has nothing to do with what she said under oath, IMO. It's about when she encouraged Tripp to lie under oath. If I was going to challenge Lewinsky's statments under oath, that is where I would attack it. If she is encouraging a friend to lie under oath then it's obvious that she would do so herself. Bill On Thu, 19 Mar 1998 14:35:27 -0800 Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Bill: What I basically ment was that as far as lying under oath goes, it seems like in this case the fact that something is said under oath doesn't seem to make much difference. Monica swore under oath that she and Clinton didn't engage in sex. Now her lawyer is saying, "well, give her immunity and she will tell her story." So why should we believe anything she says under oath the second time around, when the first time around it was under oath also? As for Clinton lying under oath. I dunno, so far he hasn't changed his story and says he won't. He still says that he didn't engage in anything illicit. But that can be different in different eyes too. Even if he did lie and say that he hadn't had sex with her. Someone on Politically Incorrect brought out something that I hadn't thought of. What would people have to say about him if he had gotten up in front of the whole country and said, "Yes, Monica and I were screwing around in my office." That wouldn't have gone over too well either. Kissing and telling isn't exactly the kind of thing that any woman would look up to a man for doing. What he should have said was that it was no ones business what his sex life was, and that if they had any questions regarding running the country and his job, ask it, but leave his sex life where it belongs, private. It will never get to court, IMO. And Paula Jones won't win her lawsuit either. This thing has gotten completely out of hand. Clintons ratings are still high with the American people, and there is no way that they are going to impeach him, if for no other reason, for that reason alone. But that is just my opinion, and not one that anyone should take to the bank. :) Sue _ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
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Kathy E [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But Sue we already know that statement is false, her and Clinton both admit they met that day. So now I'm left wondering why did they want her to sign a statement saying she didn't meet with anyone? There is something fishy going on I'm just not sure what it is. Yet there has to be a reason they wanted her to say she didn't meet with anyone. Sue Hartigan wrote: Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Kathy: According to the lawyer who is handling the case for the clients her husband stole the money from, Kathleen made a sworn statement which said the on the day of her husband's death she went to the WH to do her daily job, and talked to no one there that day. She is also still legally responsible for the money that her husband stole which is in the neighborhood of 30 thousand dollars. And the clients are actively trying to recover it. I got this off of Bryant Gumbles show last night, where the attorney appeared with the sworn statement of Kathleen's. :( -- Kathy E "I can only please one person a day, today is NOT your day, and tomorrow isn't looking too good for you either" http://members.delphi.com/kathylaw/ Law Issues Mailing List http://pw1.netcom.com/~kathye/rodeo.html - Cowboy Histories http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Lobby/2990/law.htm Crime photo's Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
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Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Kathy: LOL There are so many statements, and misstatements that I don't think anyone knows what is going on. I don't know why she would sign an affidavit like that either. Last night on Politically Incorrect all four panelists (all politically savvy) and Bill Maur came to the same conclusion I have. They just get to thinking that they have the answer, and then something comes out about the person and then you are back to the beginning again. Sue But Sue we already know that statement is false, her and Clinton both admit they met that day. So now I'm left wondering why did they want her to sign a statement saying she didn't meet with anyone? There is something fishy going on I'm just not sure what it is. Yet there has to be a reason they wanted her to say she didn't meet with anyone. -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] (William J. Foristal) writes: Hi Sue, Again, the issue with Lewinsky is that they have her on tape encouraging Tripp to lie under oath in a deposition in the Paula Jones case. That has the potential for prosecution of a felony. So she wants full immunity. I also think there has been lying on all sides of this issue, but I think that Clinton is much too smart to lie under oath. So I tend to believe what he said under oath. I suspect that the Willey incident could have involved a rather heavy and consensual make out session. But everything is speculation based on what we see in the media. Bill On Wed, 18 Mar 1998 14:06:16 -0800 Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Bill: This thing has gotten so intertwined in lies from all sides, I don't know how anyone can believe anyone anymore. I know that the minute I think I have it figured out someone comes up with something to refute the person or story. Maybe that is what they are all trying to do, confuse the issue so much, that we will all get sick of it, and that will be the end of it. Lying under oath, seems to be no big deal here either. Look at Monica. Her lawyer said that she would stand by her signed affidavit *unless* she got immunity. :) What is that, anyway??? Sue HI Sue, I think it's obvious that Willey lied several times. So which story are we supposed to believe? Bill -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues _ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] (William J. Foristal) writes: Hello Doctor, Where is Jeff Goldblum when we need him. G With our luck we would train a shoulder fly and after a particularly interesting session between Clinton and some woman the last thing that would happen is that Clinton would swat and kill our fly before he could report back to us. :) Bill On Wed, 18 Mar 1998 17:07:28 -0800 "dr. ldmf [ph.d, j.d.]" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: "dr. ldmf [ph.d, j.d.]" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Bill - this goes way way way back, but I recall that in describing the "omniscient" intelligence (knows all, sees all "objectively"), Henry James posited a "shoulder fly" that just perches there and observes. Such a creature would know a lie from a truth, as far as perception, cognition, and appearances - but then, oh well, how much truth can fit into a fly brain? C U soon, :) LDMF. William J. Foristal wrote:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William J. Foristal) writes: HI Sue, I think it's obvious that Willey lied several times. So which story are we supposed to believe? Bill On Wed, 18 Mar 1998 13:28:36 -0800 Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Bill: I have heard this, but the depo that says she didn't talk to anyone on the day she went to the WH, the same day her husband was killed, was *signed by her under oath*. That makes it more important, IMO, than what her publisher is saying. Although he is probably telling the truth. The problem I have with this though is that Trapp says she talked to her about what happened. So someone is lying. A lot of someones. Sue Sue HI Sue, The publisher is also saying that the original story they came to him with concerning the book deal is a different story from what she is now telling. Bill -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues _ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues _ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
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Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Bill: What I basically ment was that as far as lying under oath goes, it seems like in this case the fact that something is said under oath doesn't seem to make much difference. Monica swore under oath that she and Clinton didn't engage in sex. Now her lawyer is saying, "well, give her immunity and she will tell her story." So why should we believe anything she says under oath the second time around, when the first time around it was under oath also? As for Clinton lying under oath. I dunno, so far he hasn't changed his story and says he won't. He still says that he didn't engage in anything illicit. But that can be different in different eyes too. Even if he did lie and say that he hadn't had sex with her. Someone on Politically Incorrect brought out something that I hadn't thought of. What would people have to say about him if he had gotten up in front of the whole country and said, "Yes, Monica and I were screwing around in my office." That wouldn't have gone over too well either. Kissing and telling isn't exactly the kind of thing that any woman would look up to a man for doing. What he should have said was that it was no ones business what his sex life was, and that if they had any questions regarding running the country and his job, ask it, but leave his sex life where it belongs, private. It will never get to court, IMO. And Paula Jones won't win her lawsuit either. This thing has gotten completely out of hand. Clintons ratings are still high with the American people, and there is no way that they are going to impeach him, if for no other reason, for that reason alone. But that is just my opinion, and not one that anyone should take to the bank. :) Sue Sue Hi Sue, Again, the issue with Lewinsky is that they have her on tape encouraging Tripp to lie under oath in a deposition in the Paula Jones case. That has the potential for prosecution of a felony. So she wants full immunity. I also think there has been lying on all sides of this issue, but I think that Clinton is much too smart to lie under oath. So I tend to believe what he said under oath. I suspect that the Willey incident could have involved a rather heavy and consensual make out session. But everything is speculation based on what we see in the media. -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
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moonshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Mornin' Kathy, If Ms.Willey is so credible then why did she change her story for the book deal? Her original proposal had nothing salacious or sexy about it. When that version didn't sell her story took on another flavor. C'mon now Kathy...you must admit that there is something amiss here. ...Mac Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
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Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Kathy: According to the lawyer who is handling the case for the clients her husband stole the money from, Kathleen made a sworn statement which said the on the day of her husband's death she went to the WH to do her daily job, and talked to no one there that day. She is also still legally responsible for the money that her husband stole which is in the neighborhood of 30 thousand dollars. And the clients are actively trying to recover it. I got this off of Bryant Gumbles show last night, where the attorney appeared with the sworn statement of Kathleen's. :( Sue Hi Mac :) You and I just have so much butting heads don't we :) :) I am going on what I know. Now I'm about 24hrs behind on the news due to other things I was busy with, I have seen the president change his story, I have seen his lawyer change his story I have not seen Kathleen change her story. Matterfact here in VA a while ago they had a write up about the players in this, and her name was mentioned. The only thing I have seen that people are keying in on is this, she wanted a book deal she wanted $300,000 advance the book deal was turned down by the same company that published OJ's books. What is NOT being reported though by many is this, he said now he is more than happy to publish her book, at the time it was first proposed he didn't realize it was such a hot story per se. It wasn't because he doubted her story at all it was because he didn't realize the impact of her story. 20/20 hindsight has shown him the errors of his ways. Now how has she changed her story? And according to who has she changed her story? Remember one thing at the beginning of this I personally didn't care, matterfact I deleted most of the messages concerning this whole subject, but I made a point of watching her interview and I just didn't see anything that showed me she was untruthful. I did see that on the other side of the fence though. And I still can't get past one thing that bothers the heck out of me, why did Clinton change his story concerning the meeting with her??? First he didn't remember it, then he suddenly has a very clear memory of it? What gives here? Something isn't right. moonshine wrote: moonshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Mornin' Kathy, If Ms.Willey is so credible then why did she change her story for the book deal? Her original proposal had nothing salacious or sexy about it. When that version didn't sell her story took on another flavor. C'mon now Kathy...you must admit that there is something amiss here. ...Mac -- Kathy E "I can only please one person a day, today is NOT your day, and tomorrow isn't looking too good for you either" http://members.delphi.com/kathylaw/ Law Issues Mailing List http://pw1.netcom.com/~kathye/rodeo.html - Cowboy Histories http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Lobby/2990/law.htm Crime photo's Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
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moonshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Kathy E wrote: Kathy E [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Mac :) You and I just have so much butting heads don't we :) :) Afternoon Kathy, As of today the publisher still says the story he heard on 60 mins. is different than the one that was offered before. ...Mac Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
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moonshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sue Hartigan wrote: Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Kathy: According to the lawyer who is handling the case for the clients her husband stole the money from, Kathleen made a sworn statement which said the on the day of her husband's death she went to the WH to do her daily job, and talked to no one there that day. She is also still legally responsible for the money that her husband stole which is in the neighborhood of 30 thousand dollars. And the clients are actively trying to recover it. I got this off of Bryant Gumbles show last night, where the attorney appeared with the sworn statement of Kathleen's. :( Afternoon Sue, She owes in the neighborhood of $272.000. just shy of the $300.000 advance she sought for the book deal. Pretty cozy neighborhood. ...Mac Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] (William J. Foristal) writes: HI Sue, The publisher is also saying that the original story they came to him with concerning the book deal is a different story from what she is now telling. Bill On Wed, 18 Mar 1998 10:09:47 -0800 Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Kathy: According to the lawyer who is handling the case for the clients her husband stole the money from, Kathleen made a sworn statement which said the on the day of her husband's death she went to the WH to do her daily job, and talked to no one there that day. She is also still legally responsible for the money that her husband stole which is in the neighborhood of 30 thousand dollars. And the clients are actively trying to recover it. I got this off of Bryant Gumbles show last night, where the attorney appeared with the sworn statement of Kathleen's. :( Sue Hi Mac :) You and I just have so much butting heads don't we :) :) I am going on what I know. Now I'm about 24hrs behind on the news due to other things I was busy with, I have seen the president change his story, I have seen his lawyer change his story I have not seen Kathleen change her story. Matterfact here in VA a while ago they had a write up about the players in this, and her name was mentioned. The only thing I have seen that people are keying in on is this, she wanted a book deal she wanted $300,000 advance the book deal was turned down by the same company that published OJ's books. What is NOT being reported though by many is this, he said now he is more than happy to publish her book, at the time it was first proposed he didn't realize it was such a hot story per se. It wasn't because he doubted her story at all it was because he didn't realize the impact of her story. 20/20 hindsight has shown him the errors of his ways. Now how has she changed her story? And according to who has she changed her story? Remember one thing at the beginning of this I personally didn't care, matterfact I deleted most of the messages concerning this whole subject, but I made a point of watching her interview and I just didn't see anything that showed me she was untruthful. I did see that on the other side of the fence though. And I still can't get past one thing that bothers the heck out of me, why did Clinton change his story concerning the meeting with her??? First he didn't remember it, then he suddenly has a very clear memory of it? What gives here? Something isn't right. moonshine wrote: moonshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Mornin' Kathy, If Ms.Willey is so credible then why did she change her story for the book deal? Her original proposal had nothing salacious or sexy about it. When that version didn't sell her story took on another flavor. C'mon now Kathy...you must admit that there is something amiss here. ...Mac -- Kathy E "I can only please one person a day, today is NOT your day, and tomorrow isn't looking too good for you either" http://members.delphi.com/kathylaw/ Law Issues Mailing List http://pw1.netcom.com/~kathye/rodeo.html - Cowboy Histories http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Lobby/2990/law.htm Crime photo's Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues _ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
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Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Afternoon Sue, She owes in the neighborhood of $272.000. just shy of the $300.000 advance she sought for the book deal. Pretty cozy neighborhood. ...Mac Hi Mac: Thanks I left of a 0. That is quite a difference. BG Sue -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
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Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Bill: I have heard this, but the depo that says she didn't talk to anyone on the day she went to the WH, the same day her husband was killed, was *signed by her under oath*. That makes it more important, IMO, than what her publisher is saying. Although he is probably telling the truth. The problem I have with this though is that Trapp says she talked to her about what happened. So someone is lying. A lot of someones. Sue Sue HI Sue, The publisher is also saying that the original story they came to him with concerning the book deal is a different story from what she is now telling. Bill -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] (William J. Foristal) writes: HI Sue, I think it's obvious that Willey lied several times. So which story are we supposed to believe? Bill On Wed, 18 Mar 1998 13:28:36 -0800 Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Bill: I have heard this, but the depo that says she didn't talk to anyone on the day she went to the WH, the same day her husband was killed, was *signed by her under oath*. That makes it more important, IMO, than what her publisher is saying. Although he is probably telling the truth. The problem I have with this though is that Trapp says she talked to her about what happened. So someone is lying. A lot of someones. Sue Sue HI Sue, The publisher is also saying that the original story they came to him with concerning the book deal is a different story from what she is now telling. Bill -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues _ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
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Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Bill: This thing has gotten so intertwined in lies from all sides, I don't know how anyone can believe anyone anymore. I know that the minute I think I have it figured out someone comes up with something to refute the person or story. Maybe that is what they are all trying to do, confuse the issue so much, that we will all get sick of it, and that will be the end of it. Lying under oath, seems to be no big deal here either. Look at Monica. Her lawyer said that she would stand by her signed affidavit *unless* she got immunity. :) What is that, anyway??? Sue HI Sue, I think it's obvious that Willey lied several times. So which story are we supposed to believe? Bill -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
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"dr. ldmf [ph.d, j.d.]" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Bill - this goes way way way back, but I recall that in describing the "omniscient" intelligence (knows all, sees all "objectively"), Henry James posited a "shoulder fly" that just perches there and observes. Such a creature would know a lie from a truth, as far as perception, cognition, and appearances - but then, oh well, how much truth can fit into a fly brain? C U soon, :) LDMF. William J. Foristal wrote:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William J. Foristal) writes: HI Sue, I think it's obvious that Willey lied several times. So which story are we supposed to believe? Bill On Wed, 18 Mar 1998 13:28:36 -0800 Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Bill: I have heard this, but the depo that says she didn't talk to anyone on the day she went to the WH, the same day her husband was killed, was *signed by her under oath*. That makes it more important, IMO, than what her publisher is saying. Although he is probably telling the truth. The problem I have with this though is that Trapp says she talked to her about what happened. So someone is lying. A lot of someones. Sue Sue HI Sue, The publisher is also saying that the original story they came to him with concerning the book deal is a different story from what she is now telling. Bill -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues _ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
