RE: [Leaf-devel] Home Page cleanup
At 15:20 05-12-2000 -0800, you wrote: >At 09:48 PM 12/5/00 +, Pedro Barreto wrote: > >At 08:28 05-12-2000 -0800, you wrote: > >>At 06:21 PM 12/4/00 -0800, Ray Olszewski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>>Seriously, I hope that the decision process will be guided more by common > >>>sense and courtesy than any strict process. Personally, I'd be happy with > >>>a process where we all look at the candidate logos and express our > >>>opinions. Then someone makes a decision, and all the rest of us shut up > >>>and soldier on. > > > >minor correction, we shut up, and start to help on the selected site!!! :) > >That is, in context, the idiomatic meaning of "soldier on". More or less: >get down to work. thanks Ray, that's the kind of english we non-english speaking people will always miss! but I'm learning! pedro >-- >"Never tell me the odds!"--- >Ray Olszewski-- Han Solo >Palo Alto, CA[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >___ >Leaf-devel mailing list >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >http://lists.sourceforge.net/mailman/listinfo/leaf-devel ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/mailman/listinfo/leaf-devel
RE: [Leaf-devel] Home Page cleanup
At 09:48 PM 12/5/00 +, Pedro Barreto wrote: >At 08:28 05-12-2000 -0800, you wrote: >>At 06:21 PM 12/4/00 -0800, Ray Olszewski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>Seriously, I hope that the decision process will be guided more by common >>>sense and courtesy than any strict process. Personally, I'd be happy with >>>a process where we all look at the candidate logos and express our >>>opinions. Then someone makes a decision, and all the rest of us shut up >>>and soldier on. > >minor correction, we shut up, and start to help on the selected site!!! :) That is, in context, the idiomatic meaning of "soldier on". More or less: get down to work. -- "Never tell me the odds!"--- Ray Olszewski-- Han Solo Palo Alto, CA[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/mailman/listinfo/leaf-devel
RE: [Leaf-devel] Home Page cleanup
At 08:28 05-12-2000 -0800, you wrote: >At 06:21 PM 12/4/00 -0800, Ray Olszewski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>Seriously, I hope that the decision process will be guided more by common >>sense and courtesy than any strict process. Personally, I'd be happy with >>a process where we all look at the candidate logos and express our >>opinions. Then someone makes a decision, and all the rest of us shut up >>and soldier on. minor correction, we shut up, and start to help on the selected site!!! :) >>Mike is the obvious candidate for "someone". His hard work getting this >>site running surely entitles him to the opportunity to take the blame for >>... err, I mean have the honor of ... making this decision. MHO is, couldn't be any other way! pedro >LOL, thanks Ray. :) >I hope we can reach a consensus on the logo and web site. > >-- >Mike Noyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >http://leaf.sourceforge.net/ > >___ >Leaf-devel mailing list >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >http://lists.sourceforge.net/mailman/listinfo/leaf-devel ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/mailman/listinfo/leaf-devel
RE: [Leaf-devel] LEAF Home Page Design
At 10:01 05-12-2000 -0800, you wrote: >At 01:59 AM 12/5/00 +, Pedro Barreto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>At 16:42 04-12-2000 +, Mike Noyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>I added your entries url to our temporary home page. Unfortunately, I >>>can't comment on your page, because I keep getting no such domain: >>>pxb.ods.org >>>. >> >>yes, that's what you get with free domain names! :) >>http://213.22.1.229/leaf/ >>that name is still valid, ods will eventualy recover from whatever happened. >> >>sorry for the glitch > >Pedro, >No problem. I changed the link on our temporary home page. > >Comments on your home page entry: >It looks great in IE, and lynx. Plus, it's a lot less html than my entry. :) mike, my html is awful! it's not finished, optimized, nor the accessibility is enough, and I just looked at the pages using netscape, ugh! very unpleasant! :/ >It looks ok in Mozilla M18, but it appears Mozilla doesn't support css2 >table properties yet. > >It's not so pleasing in Netscape 4.7. I think Netscape has problems with >closing td tags on separate lines, and it doesn't support css2 table >properties. talking about netscape, how should we address the browser compatibility issue, should we create one set of all-complying pages or a double set of pages with redirection based on client applied? yes I know, so much discussion about it and I could not catch it. :) pedro >-- >Mike Noyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >http://leaf.sourceforge.net/ > >___ >Leaf-devel mailing list >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >http://lists.sourceforge.net/mailman/listinfo/leaf-devel ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/mailman/listinfo/leaf-devel
RE: [Leaf-devel] Home Page cleanup
At 11:22 PM 12/4/00 -0800, Steven Peck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Way cool. I'll have to get my logo entry together this weekend. :) >hmmm...LEAF >Linux Embedded Appliance Firewall >think what visuals that brings to mind. Yeah, Ray came up with a great name for the project. :) >And yep, I got a few early emails on the list, then no more. I was >thinking it was real low traffic till I saw references while cleaning up >my LRP list mail. 'course if I hadn't been so busy with 'real life(tm)' I >might have noticed sooner. > >In any case, the resubscription seems to have taken so, as a former boss >used to say, 'it's all good'. I'm sorry you got dropped. If Mailman does this again I'll open a support request with the SF staff. -- Mike Noyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://leaf.sourceforge.net/ ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/mailman/listinfo/leaf-devel
RE: [Leaf-devel] Home Page cleanup
At 06:21 PM 12/4/00 -0800, Ray Olszewski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Seriously, I hope that the decision process will be guided more by common >sense and courtesy than any strict process. Personally, I'd be happy with >a process where we all look at the candidate logos and express our >opinions. Then someone makes a decision, and all the rest of us shut up >and soldier on. > >Mike is the obvious candidate for "someone". His hard work getting this >site running surely entitles him to the opportunity to take the blame for >... err, I mean have the honor of ... making this decision. LOL, thanks Ray. :) I hope we can reach a consensus on the logo and web site. -- Mike Noyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://leaf.sourceforge.net/ ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/mailman/listinfo/leaf-devel
RE: [Leaf-devel] LEAF Home Page Design
At 01:59 AM 12/5/00 +, Pedro Barreto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >At 16:42 04-12-2000 +, Mike Noyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>I added your entries url to our temporary home page. Unfortunately, I >>can't comment on your page, because I keep getting no such domain: >>pxb.ods.org >>. > >yes, that's what you get with free domain names! :) >http://213.22.1.229/leaf/ >that name is still valid, ods will eventualy recover from whatever happened. > >sorry for the glitch Pedro, No problem. I changed the link on our temporary home page. Comments on your home page entry: It looks great in IE, and lynx. Plus, it's a lot less html than my entry. :) It looks ok in Mozilla M18, but it appears Mozilla doesn't support css2 table properties yet. It's not so pleasing in Netscape 4.7. I think Netscape has problems with closing td tags on separate lines, and it doesn't support css2 table properties. -- Mike Noyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://leaf.sourceforge.net/ ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/mailman/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [Leaf-devel] Serial Console access for LRP
> I'm working on developing serial console access for Oxygen. What I > want to do is have everything on /dev/tty0 replicate onto /dev/ttyS0. > Syslinux does this without blinking; I think the kernel might too. > However, other things (like /linuxrc, /etc/init.d/rc, and > /etc/init.d/rcS) won't do this; either it goes to /dev/ttyS0 or it > goes to /dev/tty0 - how would you tie these TOGETHER? > > Inittab is the source that runs rc, rcS, and getty; once getty is > loaded I don't want things in two places > > I also want to tie both the keyboard and serial input together. > > Basically, this would allow one to boot a version of LRP, and pick > either the virtual console or the serial console without changing > anything but which keyboard/screen you use - no configuration > changes. Isn't this possible? > > Once the system is loaded, I don't want these two tied together like > that; ttyS0 and tty0 should be separate then - two different gettys. > But BEFORE that linuxrc uses the /linuxrc.tty device. Change the properties of this device to get the linuxrc output to go where you want. You can play with the kernel parameters to get the kernel to spit out startup info on specific (or multiple) terminals. You can perhaps replicate the output of linuxrc using the tee command or creative use of redirects in linuxrc, but I'm not sure how you'd join the keyboard and serial inputs... Charles Steinkuehler http://lrp.steinkuehler.net http://c0wz.steinkuehler.net (lrp.c0wz.com mirror) ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/mailman/listinfo/leaf-devel
[Leaf-devel] Re: [LRP-dev] /sbin/halt during boot
On 5 Dec 2000, at 4:00, Dave Cinege wrote: > I'm guessing you're doing this from /linuxrc? You can't go to > runlevel 0. (Halt) There are no runlevels. init isn't running yet. I'm still learning about "halt" and so on. There are several options for halt that I have used; they cut down on the errors but DO NOT stop the system altogether: -f Don't do a shutdown(8) - force halt or reboot -n Don't do a sync -d Don't write wtmp record (implied by -n) trying to write wtmp is what caused most of the errors -i Shutdown all network interfaces first -p When halting the system, do a power off - this is what happens when it is called as /sbin/poweroff Here is the actual call: /sbin/poweroff -idfn Ideal would be to get: System is halted. --press any key to reboot-- But I'd settle for: System is halted. -- David Douthitt UNIX Systems Administrator HP-UX, Linux, Unixware [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/mailman/listinfo/leaf-devel
[Leaf-devel] Re: [LRP-dev] /sbin/halt during boot
On 5 Dec 2000, at 4:00, Dave Cinege wrote: > I'm guessing you're [trying to use /sbin/halt] from /linuxrc? Yes. > You can't go to runlevel 0. (Halt) There are no runlevels. init isn't > running yet. Ack! Duh > > How do I use halt properly to get it to *STOP* instead of all this > > other stuff? > > Hmmm... exec /bin/false? > cat /dev/zero >/proc/kcore ? ;> Heh. I was thinking of: trap "" 0 2 5 15 while true; do done Eh? -- David Douthitt UNIX Systems Administrator HP-UX, Linux, Unixware [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/mailman/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [Leaf-devel] /sbin/halt won't halt!
> For whatever reason, I *CANNOT* get /sbin/halt to really halt! This > sounds truly bizarre, but it is true: on my screen right now, I have: > > LINUXRC: halting system > Power down. > LINUXRC: Enter the URL(s) to load data disks from: > > (yes, generic URL loads :-) > > I would have expected: > > LINUXRC: halting system > Power down. > > ...and then a system that responds only to Ctrl-Alt-Delete, or maybe > not even that (typical PCs... ugh!) > > Do I need to write a lockup loop? :-) Um...when you're running in linuxrc, there is NO INIT PROCESS!!! You're still running in the kernel bootstrap code. This will probably confuse the hell out of any shutdown program, which is probably trying to switch to runlevel six, or kill init, or something similar. I think to halt from linuxrc, you'll need to either write some code or do something that will cause a kernel panic, like unmount the root file-system. Charles Steinkuehler http://lrp.steinkuehler.net http://c0wz.steinkuehler.net (lrp.c0wz.com mirror) ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/mailman/listinfo/leaf-devel
RE: [Leaf-devel] Home Page cleanup
Way cool. I'll have to get my logo entry together this weekend. :) hmmm...LEAF Linux Embedded Appliance Firewall think what visuals that brings to mind. And yep, I got a few early emails on the list, then no more. I was thinking it was real low traffic till I saw references while cleaning up my LRP list mail. 'course if I hadn't been so busy with 'real life(tm)' I might have noticed sooner. In any case, the resubscription seems to have taken so, as a former boss used to say, 'it's all good'. -sp > -Original Message- > From: Mike Noyes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, December 04, 2000 5:33 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [Leaf-devel] Home Page cleanup > > > At 04:00 PM 12/4/00 -0800, Steven Peck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >All right, > > > >What's the rules on the logo entries? I joined the early > list but got > >dropped off and want to help out. > > Great! There aren't any rules, and all contributions are appreciated. > Links to the current entries are here: > http://leaf.sourceforge.net/ > > Regarding the list, were you dropped from leaf-devel? > > -- > Mike Noyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > http://leaf.sourceforge.net/ > > ___ > Leaf-devel mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://lists.sourceforge.net/mailman/listinfo/leaf-devel > ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/mailman/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [Leaf-devel] /sbin/halt won't halt!
On Mon, Dec 04, 2000 at 05:37:20PM -0600, David Douthitt wrote: This is right. 'halt' dowsn't mean 'reboot'. Use 'reboot' to reboot you router. You can also use halt -p to power down your system after halt (works only on atx boards). > For whatever reason, I *CANNOT* get /sbin/halt to really halt! This > sounds truly bizarre, but it is true: on my screen right now, I have: > > LINUXRC: halting system > Power down. > LINUXRC: Enter the URL(s) to load data disks from: > > (yes, generic URL loads :-) > > I would have expected: > > LINUXRC: halting system > Power down. > > ...and then a system that responds only to Ctrl-Alt-Delete, or maybe > not even that (typical PCs... ugh!) > > Do I need to write a lockup loop? :-) -- Best regards, Sergey Kozhedub ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/mailman/listinfo/leaf-devel
[Leaf-devel] Download times
For those of you with any remaining doubts that Sourceforge's speed problems might not be resolved, I did yet another test via FTP from download.sourceforge.net to my server at work, and over the OC-3 I was able to reach a whopping, mind-boggling 1.07MBytes/sec Mind you, this was standard FTP, so that was the average; I have no clue what it bursted at. Again, the file was the EigerStein Beta package tarball, weighing in at 13 megs. -- George Metz Commercial Routing Engineer [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/mailman/listinfo/leaf-devel
