Re: [Leaf-devel] is Bering GNU?
On Sat, 13 Jul 2002 01:55:44 -0400 "George Georgalis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Is Bering GNU? That was pretty funny. Was it what you expected? I hope whatever you wanted to get out of that post you got out of one of the respondents (or more). Feel free to post again if your questions haven't been answered. And, seriously, if you want to enhance or otherwise contribute to the project, or even just monitor the list to help other users avoid getting into the jams you got into (or help them get out in time for their conferences ;-)), I think I speak for most of the folks on the list when I say, go to it! Open source projects are invariably best supported by their users, especially the ones who have been through the more "rough" paths. I think that if you watch the leaf-user list for awhile, you'll find that it is one of the best support lists out there. -- Chad Carr [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [Leaf-devel] is Bering GNU?
On Sat, 2002-07-13 at 15:27, Mike Noyes wrote: > On Sat, 2002-07-13 at 14:57, Ray Olszewski wrote: > > Am I mistaken, or doesn't Bering (and Dachstein, and perhaps the other > > variants) use some components with idiosyncratic licenses that don't meet > > the standards (e.g, the DFSG or OSG criteria) for either free or Open > > Source licensing ? I'm thinking in particular of the DJB stuff (dnscache, > > tinydns) and one of the intrusion detection packages. I also recall that > > there used to be issues with DoC module code, though I believe current DoC > > support uses OSG-compliant licensing. > > Correct, but I thought we were discussing the code created by our > project members, and not code packaged by us. I agree the DJB packages > may have some problems, but I think we came to the conclusion earlier > that this was a borderline case. The M-Systems DoC driver license was > unacceptable, and was never distributed from our SF site. Additional info: I believe the versions of PortSentry on our site are under the old license, and are alright. Please let me know if my belief is incorrect. http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/leaf/bin/packages/glibc-2.0/psentry.lrp -- Mike Noyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/ http://leaf-project.org/ --- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [Leaf-devel] is Bering GNU?
On Sat, 2002-07-13 at 14:57, Ray Olszewski wrote: > At 01:43 PM 7/13/02 -0700, Mike Noyes wrote: > >On Sat, 2002-07-13 at 06:53, Mike Noyes wrote: > > > On Fri, 2002-07-12 at 22:55, George Georgalis wrote: > > > > Is Bering GNU? > > > > > > George, > > > Yes. > > > >Clarification: > >Bering is licensed under the GNU General Public License (GPL), and would > >be described by FSF people as GPL-covered software. It is not a GNU > >program, or GNU software. Bering has not been contributed to the FSF. > > Mike -- I stayed out of this morass up to now mainly because you and the > other LEAF folks have responded so well to it. Ray, I'm starting to wish I had also. :-( > But your message above (and > some of the others, at least implicitly) reads to me like it is fuzzing up > one detail. > > Am I mistaken, or doesn't Bering (and Dachstein, and perhaps the other > variants) use some components with idiosyncratic licenses that don't meet > the standards (e.g, the DFSG or OSG criteria) for either free or Open > Source licensing ? I'm thinking in particular of the DJB stuff (dnscache, > tinydns) and one of the intrusion detection packages. I also recall that > there used to be issues with DoC module code, though I believe current DoC > support uses OSG-compliant licensing. Correct, but I thought we were discussing the code created by our project members, and not code packaged by us. I agree the DJB packages may have some problems, but I think we came to the conclusion earlier that this was a borderline case. The M-Systems DoC driver license was unacceptable, and was never distributed from our SF site. > As I recall -- though I am no more expert in reading and interpreting > licenses than any of us -- an overall distribution can be GPL'd but include > some components that themselves are under different licenses (not ANY other > license, but SOME other licenses). Does that distinction not apply to these > packages (and maybe others)? I believe that is the case. -- Mike Noyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/ http://leaf-project.org/ --- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [Leaf-devel] is Bering GNU?
At 01:43 PM 7/13/02 -0700, Mike Noyes wrote: >On Sat, 2002-07-13 at 06:53, Mike Noyes wrote: > > On Fri, 2002-07-12 at 22:55, George Georgalis wrote: > > > Is Bering GNU? > > > > George, > > Yes. > >Clarification: >Bering is licensed under the GNU General Public License (GPL), and would >be described by FSF people as GPL-covered software. It is not a GNU >program, or GNU software. Bering has not been contributed to the FSF. Mike -- I stayed out of this morass up to now mainly because you and the other LEAF folks have responded so well to it. But your message above (and some of the others, at least implicitly) reads to me like it is fuzzing up one detail. Am I mistaken, or doesn't Bering (and Dachstein, and perhaps the other variants) use some components with idiosyncratic licenses that don't meet the standards (e.g, the DFSG or OSG criteria) for either free or Open Source licensing ? I'm thinking in particular of the DJB stuff (dnscache, tinydns) and one of the intrusion detection packages. I also recall that there used to be issues with DoC module code, though I believe current DoC support uses OSG-compliant licensing. As I recall -- though I am no more expert in reading and interpreting licenses than any of us -- an overall distribution can be GPL'd but include some components that themselves are under different licenses (not ANY other license, but SOME other licenses). Does that distinction not apply to these packages (and maybe others)? -- ---"Never tell me the odds!"-- Ray Olszewski-- Han Solo Palo Alto, California, USA [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- --- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
[Leaf-devel] Re: is Bering GNU?
On Saturday 13 July 2002 00:55, George Georgalis wrote: > Is Bering GNU? Are you using any DBJ utilities or any other binaries that are not GPL'ed? I don't believe you downloaded "Bering/GNU" as the particular license used with LEAF is up to the individual developer. I would suggest stopping any systems you have now and remove any software that is not GPL'ed and part of the GNU project if this is a mandate of yours. I guess if we were strictly GNU, the project would be hosted on Savanah, not SourceForge. > I'm beginning to have my doubts. Where is /usr/src/linux/.config? > Where are the other compile time options for other binaries? Just > how was Bering_1.0-rc3_img_bering_1680.bin made? Do you have room on your floppy for the complete kernel source? It is available on the LEAF site if you would like the SRC, I seriously doubt that you need to compile a new kernel or package to get something to function correctly. In any regards, there is no compilers included with the LEAF distributions for lack of space limitations. Our distributions are router-type products, not development platforms. Almost all code written by LEAF is Ash shell script, I imagine you can figure out where the SRC for this is. > After spending a good part of a week, and _all_ day Friday getting up > a Bering router before a deadline -- subsequently missing the first > day of a conference http://h2k2.org -- I looked back at what was the > problem. I discovered I was hacking around a product (the Bering > image) much like the manner of before I used Linux. I have this disk > image, that I mount to find, compressed archives, containing finely > tailored scripts and a handful of binaries. Together they make up the > GNU Bering. (And maybe other leaf versions as well.) I apologize for you missing your deadline and/or conference. This happens quite frequently to Admins of any OS that do not plan an install/turn-over properly, I hardly feel that we are responsible for your own lack of Administration/deadline skills. The core OS that boots up is Bering and includes Syslinux, Busybox, and almost everything else is Ash shell-script. Packages like pump, dhcpd, dnscache, etc are add-on packages that are not Bering or LEAF. Some of these add-on packages are included with the image, many of them are not. What you put on you system and use is utimately up to you to decide. Is Linux GNU? Not ideally, maybe you should only use GNU/HURD. I think that Oxygen is the LEAF release that works more inline to what you are expecting, but Oxygen is MIT licenced and I could not image the fit using this license would cause you. In any regards, why were you hacking the product to get it running at deadline in a production environment? Simple configuration suffices for thousands of users of this product w/o needing to hack any source code. Possibly one of us is missing the obvious answer. > I have hunted all over http://leaf-project.org and > http://leaf.sourceforge.net/ for the source, or even a file that says > version xx.yy.zz of busybox was compiled with the following patch and > compile time options. Or maybe a tgz of the /usr/local/src/bering > where the image was made? Nothing. I find myself writing scripts to > extract and compress lrp files. Surely everyone doesn't gzip -c9 what > they made by tar cf after mounting and extracting their first floppy > image? Is this the intended way to indoctrinate new developers to > the old school? No, most of us use the included "lrpkg" utility with the "lrcfg" utility that has been around for over five years now. This would be the same one you have used for years with Eigerstein. Developers should have been rather familiar with the Developers Guide that is clearly placed in our extensive and complete FAQ section of the LEAF web-site. I have serious doubts that you really needed to do anything besides add/remove add-on packages and configure them like everyone else seems to have little problem doing. > I even asked a few well read LUG groups what the lrp format was, or > how I could run the lrcfg that I read about without actually booting > the distro. Nobody knew because the design is not conducive to group > development, it's intended use is like that of proprietary software > -- take the binary, configure it with the configuration menu and be > like everyone else. Ummm ok! ;-) Can you point me to a statement on the LEAF site that declares that we are release developement tools/distribution? How many DOS files do you have with a "*.tar.gz" name? I assume your just upset and bantering at this point, how many of the well-read LUG groups are using LEAF? You might have found a better answer to your questions if you had asked someone who was some-what familiar with the project. Let's make this clear again: !!! LEAF IS NOT A DEVELOPMENT PLATFORM Surely with your experience and skills, you have access to a GNU development box that includes "tar" and "rename" utilites! I sugg
Re: [Leaf-devel] is Bering GNU?
On Sat, 2002-07-13 at 06:53, Mike Noyes wrote: > On Fri, 2002-07-12 at 22:55, George Georgalis wrote: > > Is Bering GNU? > > George, > Yes. Clarification: Bering is licensed under the GNU General Public License (GPL), and would be described by FSF people as GPL-covered software. It is not a GNU program, or GNU software. Bering has not been contributed to the FSF. http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.html GPL-covered software The GNU GPL (General Public License) (20k characters) is one specific set of distribution terms for copylefting a program. The GNU Project uses it as the distribution terms for most GNU software. GNU programs ``GNU programs'' is equivalent to GNU software. A program Foo is a GNU program if it is GNU software. GNU software GNU software is software that is released under the auspices of the GNU Project. Most GNU software is copylefted, but not all; however, all GNU software must be free software. If a program is GNU software, we also say that it is a GNU program. Some GNU software is written by staff of the Free Software Foundation, but most GNU software is contributed by volunteers. Some contributed software is copyrighted by the Free Software Foundation; some is copyrighted by the contributors who wrote it. It is doubtful that any of our releases meet GNU Coding Standards at this time. GNU Coding Standards http://www.gnu.org/prep/standards_toc.html However, Bering does comply with GPL licensing. -- Mike Noyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/ http://leaf-project.org/ --- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [Leaf-devel] is Bering GNU?
On Sat, 13 Jul 2002 01:55:44 -0400 "George Georgalis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In all sincerity, Bering is very cool. It could just be a lot better > if it was more in the spirit of _encouraging_ open source development > rather than barley qualifying, actually I bet if it was audited, it > wouldn't pass. If there are scripts to tar and gzip a lrp package, > why aren't they part of a tools.tgz right beside package_src.tgz and > compile_configs.tgz next to the Leaf_UML packages and extraction > instructions for odd archives? I know asking for doc is a lot, but > maintaining a file of command lines used to make the binaries from > source would be an excellent first step. http://www.franzdoodle.com/bering/dev.tgz Here is the development environment I use to customize Bering for compact flash. If it is useful, I will contribute it to the project. It is incomplete, and lacking documentation (two of your pet peeves, I see), but I am working hard at a day job in an economic downturn and the projects I am involved in at work have been steered away from embedded linux since I started on the project It is only a framework, somewhat quick and dirty. I will write a doc if it looks useful to anyone at first glance. I suspect, however, that it is not that much different than what others might be using for their custom projects. I hope that this helps some. -- Chad Carr [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [Leaf-devel] is Bering GNU?
George: I just wanted to point out the obvious: > Is Bering GNU? > [snip] > ...I know asking for doc is a lot, but > maintaining a file of command lines used to make the binaries > from source would be an excellent first step. While I'm no expert, this is a new definition of GNU for me: requiring "a file of command lines used to make [all of] the binaries [in the whole distribution]". The source code for Bering (kernel, modules, patches, packages, etc), and all of the precompiled binaries that come with it, is freely available to anyone who requests it. Further, any modifications to GPL'd code that Jacques and Eric made are also GPL'd. That's GNU. Perhaps you are more accustomed to compiling a standalone binary, most of which utilize a "./configure" script (itself a GPL'd item), at the command line of a full *nix distro. However, adhering to such a *convention* (that's all it is) is not mandated within the precepts of the Copyleft. Nothing is more or less GNU for doing it or not doing it in this fashion. Also, obviously, you're quite welcome to take Bering, modify it as you wish, put it on an EEPROM for your own use, and never distribute it. That's GNU too. -Scott PS: Bering being central to LEAF, I've restricted my cross posting to just the LEAF lists. --- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [Leaf-devel] Antivirus and other issues
On Sat, 2002-07-13 at 08:30, Jaime Nebrera Herrera wrote: > BTW.- Is this a Devel topic or should I do it in Users list? Jaime, It's definitely a devel topic. Our devel list is distributed to approximately 150 email addresses, and our user list exceeds 500 addresses. A news submission on our web site would reach even more users. Which places you decided to announce its availabilty depends on how wide you wish this beta to be tested, and by what type of user. -- Mike Noyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/ http://leaf-project.org/ --- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [Leaf-devel] Antivirus and other issues
Hi all, We have placed all the files of this project in: http://www.eneotecnologia.com/leaf/index.html Please, remember all this is consider BETA, needs a glibc 2.2 bering distribution and has been tested only in RC2 release. It works from a HDD. Also dont consider this first releases a "plug and play" work. You will probably need to investigate a little each package. We will try to make this more clear once we return from the beach :))) (just a week) Also, remember you will need to build yourself a f-prot lrp package. We will try to explain how to do so in the future. Thanks to all. Please, feel free to test it and report anything, but remember we will be out for a week (I'm leaving on monday, my friend has just left :'( Regards and hope you like/enjoy/help it :) BTW.- Is this a Devel topic or should I do it in Users list? -- Jaime Nebrera Herrera [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [Leaf-devel] CVS src tree structure
On 13 Jul 2002, Mike Noyes wrote: > Everyone, > Proposed src tree structure. > On a related note, I've added an 'Lrp' project to the CVS tree at www.shorewall.net: http://www.shorewall.net/cgi-bin/cvs/cvsweb.cgi/Lrp/ It currently contains the changes that I'm planning to release in 1.3.4. -Tom -- Tom Eastep\ Shorewall - iptables made easy AIM: tmeastep \ http://www.shorewall.net ICQ: #60745924 \ [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
[Leaf-devel] CVS src tree structure
Everyone, Proposed src tree structure. Write access to these trees will be controlled by the respective lead developers. Note: I wont create the release/branch specific trees, because an import by the lead developer is more efficient. leaf/src/bering leaf/src/dachstein leaf/src/oxygen leaf/src/packetfilter leaf/src/wisp-dist I will create this tree on Monday. However, this tree will need a consensus on its structure before commits can begin. leaf/src/packages -- Mike Noyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/ http://leaf-project.org/ --- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
[Leaf-devel] Re: [leaf-user] is Bering GNU?
On Sat, 13 Jul 2002, George Georgalis wrote: > > I even asked a few well read LUG groups what the lrp format was, or > how I could run the lrcfg that I read about without actually booting > the distro. Nobody knew because the design is not conducive to group > development, it's intended use is like that of proprietary software -- > take the binary, configure it with the configuration menu and be like > everyone else. This brings to mind a quote from Weitse Venema (the creator of Postfix): "It is easier to post a problem than to use your own brain" [teastep@wookie test]$ ll total 40 -rw-r--r--1 teastep teastep 39033 Jul 13 06:58 shorwall-1.3.3.lrp [teastep@wookie test]$ file shorwall-1.3.3.lrp shorwall-1.3.3.lrp: gzip compressed data, deflated, last modified: Sat Jul 6 12:59:03 2002, os: Unix [teastep@wookie test]$ mv shorwall-1.3.3.lrp shorwall-1.3.3.lrp.gz [teastep@wookie test]$ gunzip shorwall-1.3.3.lrp.gz [teastep@wookie test]$ file shorwall-1.3.3.lrp shorwall-1.3.3.lrp: GNU tar archive [teastep@wookie test]$ tar -tf shorwall-1.3.3.lrp etc/init.d/shorewall etc/shorewall/ etc/shorewall/masq etc/shorewall/policy etc/shorewall/rules etc/shorewall/shorewall.conf etc/shorewall/interfaces etc/shorewall/nat etc/shorewall/proxyarp etc/shorewall/tunnels etc/shorewall/zones etc/shorewall/hosts etc/shorewall/icmp.def etc/shorewall/common.def etc/shorewall/tos etc/shorewall/modules etc/shorewall/params etc/shorewall/tcrules etc/shorewall/blacklist etc/shorewall/rfc1918 sbin/shorewall var/lib/shorewall/ var/lib/shorewall/version var/lib/shorewall/functions var/lib/shorewall/firewall var/lib/lrpkg/shorwall.conf var/lib/lrpkg/shorwall.help var/lib/lrpkg/shorwall.list var/lib/lrpkg/shorwall.version [teastep@wookie test]$ And that took much less time than it would have taken to post a question. -Tom -- Tom Eastep\ Shorewall - iptables made easy AIM: tmeastep \ http://www.shorewall.net ICQ: #60745924 \ [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [Leaf-devel] is Bering GNU?
On Fri, 2002-07-12 at 22:55, George Georgalis wrote: > Is Bering GNU? George, Yes. > I have hunted all over http://leaf-project.org and > http://leaf.sourceforge.net/ for the source, > I even asked a few well read LUG groups what the lrp format was, or > how I could run the lrcfg that I read about without actually booting > the distro. Did you traverse our http://leaf-project.org/pub and http://leaf-project.org/devel trees? A lot of our content is not indexed in our current phpWebSite, also note that some of our content is on our SourceForge project site. If you have problems locating something please try Google site search. If that fails ask us and we'll gladly point you in the right direction. This will search our website on the SF shell for Bering. http://www.google.com/ bering site:leaf.sourceforge.net Web sites http://leaf-project.org/ VHOST for http://leaf.sourceforge.net/ SourceForge project pages http://sourceforge.net/projects/leaf CVS http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/leaf/ > Okay, I just found the developer.rtf and scanned the whole thing. Good. Did it help? If not, please submit a Bug report or Patch to the current documentation. https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=13751 Contributions page: http://leaf-project.org/mod.php?mod=userpage&menu=16&page_id=22 > At one point I kicked myself for not looking in CVS before, but when > I got in there, was in disbelief -- no source, only doc. We're still working on a structure for our src tree in CVS. You're welcome to participate in our src tree structure discussion. > I'm going to make my own distribution. reBering. Complete > with scripts to mount and extract all the subcomponents, global > configure, mix'n'match packages, compress and unmount. Only I don't > think I can call it GNU because since I'm in a hurry, I won't have time > to reverse engineer the compile time options and source. I don't think this is permitted under the GPL. Once code is under the GPL license it can only be released under another license if all the programmers that contributed code agree to the change. You may want to look at Oxygen its code is MIT licensed. You may want to take a look at our development model. New releases/branches are welcome here. Evolution as a project development model http://www.mail-archive.com/leaf-devel%40lists.sourceforge.net/msg04541.html > In all sincerity, Bering is very cool. It could just be a lot better > if it was more in the spirit of _encouraging_ open source development > rather than barley qualifying, actually I bet if it was audited, it > wouldn't pass. If you feel this way, why haven't you contacted SF or the FSF? SouceForge hosts all of our content, and they only allow hosting of OSS compliant code. > If there are scripts to tar and gzip a lrp package, > why aren't they part of a tools.tgz right beside package_src.tgz and > compile_configs.tgz next to the Leaf_UML packages and extraction > instructions for odd archives? I know asking for doc is a lot, but > maintaining a file of command lines used to make the binaries from > source would be an excellent first step. Wouldn't a src tree in cvs be better? This is what we're working toward. -- Mike Noyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/ http://leaf-project.org/ --- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [Leaf-devel] request for Bering packages + a couple squid comments
Hi, Some comments below - Original Message - From: "Fabrice LABORIE" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2002 2:06 PM Subject: [Leaf-devel] request for Bering packages + a couple squid comments > Hi List, > > I am using a Bering system booting from HD. > I am new to Bering ( and LEAF ... and LRP !) and I have to say I am VERY > impressed!!! You're not the only one ;-) Even I everyone isn't sharing your opinions ;-) > > I use a few packages including sshd (Nathan Angelacos) / squid (David > Douthitt). > > I read that Jacques will upgrade sshd in Bering1.0 final . so that's > great... > maybe David will offer a more recent squid ? ( squid-2.5.PRE8 or 2.4.STABLE7 > > ( or maybe Jacques will offer one for Bering?) http://leaf.sourceforge.net/devel/kapeka/ You'll find there a more recent version of squid but AFAIK, it's compiled wtih glibc 2.1 You'll find there http://www.wix.net.nz/LEAF/ some instructions how to upgrade the glibc.. > > David, may I suggest to start squid in init.d/squid with -D to prevent squid > from stopping > if the DNS server is not available yet? > ( patch : > diff -ur squid/etc/init.d/squid squid.fab/etc/init.d/squid > --- squid/etc/init.d/squid 2001-12-12 22:09:30.0 +0300 > +++ squid.fab/etc/init.d/squid 2002-07-02 19:57:37.0 +0300 > @@ -17,7 +17,7 @@ > chown squid.squid /var/run/squid.pid > cd /usr/bin > umask 077 ; ulimit -nH 8192 ; ulimit -nS 8192 > - $SQ > + $SQ -D > echo > touch /var/lock/subsys/squid > ;; > ) > also I suspect that most people using squid will be using a harddrive of > will have tons of RAM, > but still, providing the squid.conf.default and mime.conf.default might not > be necessary and save > a few bytes of .LRP. > [ As a side issue, I used libm.lrp on my Bering install and noticed that the > var/lib/lrpkg/libm. were not extracted... > and that they ended up beeing backup in my root.lrp ] > > and finaly here is my request for a new Bering package: > the documentation http://leaf.sourceforge.net/devel/jnilo/bubooting.html > 9.4. Booting from an IDE device > suggests to use a windows or linux rescue disk to "prepare" the hd. why not > using a Bering Floppy ??? > It would be great to have fdisk mkfsdos, mkfsreiser [ yes I am using > reiserfs for my squid ] and syslinux > packaged into one HDinstall.LRP. > note: i have seen [ not used ] fdisk+mkfsdos + syslinux on different > package from David so I suppose > one could copy them all . onto the bering floppy( but still no > mkfsreiser! ). > any comments? We're waiting for you to build this package ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) > > > fabrice. Regard, Etienne Charlier --- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
[Leaf-devel] request for Bering packages + a couple squid comments
Hi List, I am using a Bering system booting from HD. I am new to Bering ( and LEAF ... and LRP !) and I have to say I am VERY impressed!!! I use a few packages including sshd (Nathan Angelacos) / squid (David Douthitt). I read that Jacques will upgrade sshd in Bering1.0 final . so that's great... maybe David will offer a more recent squid ? ( squid-2.5.PRE8 or 2.4.STABLE7 ?) ( or maybe Jacques will offer one for Bering?) David, may I suggest to start squid in init.d/squid with -D to prevent squid from stopping if the DNS server is not available yet? ( patch : diff -ur squid/etc/init.d/squid squid.fab/etc/init.d/squid --- squid/etc/init.d/squid 2001-12-12 22:09:30.0 +0300 +++ squid.fab/etc/init.d/squid 2002-07-02 19:57:37.0 +0300 @@ -17,7 +17,7 @@ chown squid.squid /var/run/squid.pid cd /usr/bin umask 077 ; ulimit -nH 8192 ; ulimit -nS 8192 - $SQ + $SQ -D echo touch /var/lock/subsys/squid ;; ) also I suspect that most people using squid will be using a harddrive of will have tons of RAM, but still, providing the squid.conf.default and mime.conf.default might not be necessary and save a few bytes of .LRP. [ As a side issue, I used libm.lrp on my Bering install and noticed that the var/lib/lrpkg/libm. were not extracted... and that they ended up beeing backup in my root.lrp ] and finaly here is my request for a new Bering package: the documentation http://leaf.sourceforge.net/devel/jnilo/bubooting.html 9.4. Booting from an IDE device suggests to use a windows or linux rescue disk to "prepare" the hd. why not using a Bering Floppy ??? It would be great to have fdisk mkfsdos, mkfsreiser [ yes I am using reiserfs for my squid ] and syslinux packaged into one HDinstall.LRP. note: i have seen [ not used ] fdisk+mkfsdos + syslinux on different package from David so I suppose one could copy them all . onto the bering floppy( but still no mkfsreiser! ). any comments? fabrice. --- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
RE: [Leaf-devel] is Bering GNU?
George, I'm kind of curios. Why did you feel the need to cross-post to lists not related to LEAF? Odd, one in San Diego and the other in New York? How incredibly odd. Did you want encompass the United States, some LEAF developers are not US citizens you know, you might want to cross post to lists in France, Germany, Brazil and Japan too. If you had leaf related questions, why did not ask them on the publicly available LEAF-USER list and not copy email lists that the VAST majority of people on said lists are not subscribed too? Instead of asking specific questions you start off with a general leading question and then launch into an attack. I name thee TROLL! I thought about not sending this message, but you just didn't appear to do your research and quite frankly there is a hell of a lot of FREE support on the leaf-user lists. I note that http://www.mail-archive.com/cgi-bin/htsearch?method=and&format=short&config=l eaf-user_lists_sourceforge_net&restrict=&exclude=&words=George+Georgalis shows that a lot of folks spent a LOT of FREE time helping you out. Never the less, these messages are in the archive so I will endeavor to answer some of your attacks ^H^H^H^H^H^H concerns and ignore others at my whim. And then, quite possibly, black hole any further messages from you because I can and life is not fair. :) I will probably also supply frivolous information to amuse myself because it's late and I am occasionally a random sentence generator. At least that may provide amusement to some. Leaf-project is several different distro's with similar and differing objectives. Your inability to instantly gain all knowledge of it without spending some time doing YOUR homework is tiresome. You assume that because you think you know Linux that you should be able to instantly understand 1 of 5 specialized distributions in the LEAF project and the compromises necessary to fit them on a floppy disk? I wish I had your knowledge and learning skills. No, wait... No I don't. Note: I am speaking for myself because you irked me and it's late where I am. Comments inline marked > -Original Message- > From: George Georgalis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 10:56 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [Leaf-devel] is Bering GNU? > > I'm beginning to have my doubts. Where is > /usr/src/linux/.config? Where are the other compile time > options for other binaries? Just how was > Bering_1.0-rc3_img_bering_1680.bin made? doubt away and use another project. OR ask politely and you directed to the information. Volunteer projects have a problem - NO PAID SUPPORT! If you perceive a lack, ask/gather the information, do a write up and submit it for inclusion in the FAQ's/Documentation. I will endeavor to direct you to some of the documentation you obviously missed on your first or second perusal of our site. I think the site is up to 2-3GB. > After spending a good part of a week, and _all_ day Friday > getting up a Bering router before a deadline -- subsequently > missing the first day of a conference http://h2k2.org -- I > looked back at what was the problem. I discovered I was > hacking around a product (the Bering image) much like the > manner of before I used Linux. I have this disk image, that I > mount to find, compressed archives, containing finely > tailored scripts and a handful of binaries. Together they > make up the GNU Bering. (And maybe other leaf versions as well.) Nothing personal but I am reminded of an old IT saying. You lack of planning does not necessarily constitute an emergency on my part ESPECIALLY when you're NOT paying for my time! Why would anyone but you care that you were late to something? Did you get fired? Why would LEAF be relevant to your not planning sufficient testing and implementation time in a project? Configuration is through lrcfg. Not the same as a full distro of Linux. My first experience was with the Eigerstein distro and I had it set up in 25 minutes. At the time, I didn't even know what Linux was. Leaf, being specialized, oddly enough, has to make compromises on how some things work. Perhaps the Bering user doc was to much for you http://leaf.sourceforge.net/devel/jnilo/busers.html Perhaps the Bering Installation guide was insufficient http://leaf.sourceforge.net/devel/jnilo/binstall.html > I have hunted all over http://leaf-project.org and > http://leaf.sourceforge.net/ for the source, or even a file > that says version xx.yy.zz of busybox was compiled with the > following patch and compile time options. Or maybe a tgz of > the /usr/local/src/bering where the image was made? Nothing. > I find myself writing scripts to extract and compress lrp > files. Surely everyone doesn't gzip -c9 what they made by tar > cf after mounting and extracting their first floppy image? > Is this the intended way to indoctrinate new developers to
RE: [Leaf-devel] VMWare LEAF Dev System :-)
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Incase anyone was curious.
Richard Amerman
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From: Richard Amerman
Sent: Sat 7/13/2002 12:13 AM
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Subject: [Leaf-devel] VMWare LEAF Dev System :-)
I must confess, Iâm loveân life now
I now have my dev environment:
VMWare 3.1
Two 1.44 virtual floppy drives
Winimage for floppy management
Boots in just a few seconds
Plenty of space
Now I just have to set up (now this may or may not be tricky, anyone out there
done this?) networking properly (the right modules).
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