[leaf-devel] IdeaTorrent

2010-04-06 Thread Mike Noyes
Everyone,
Feel free to add your ideas.

https://sourceforge.net/apps/ideatorrent/leaf/

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[leaf-devel] Mailing Lists

2010-04-06 Thread Mike Noyes
Everyone,
Are there any objections to deleting the following mailing lists:

leaf-announce, leaf-auto, leaf-hardware, leaf-wisp-dist

This will leave:

leaf-cvs-commits (rename to leaf-commits, or delete in favor of
laconica w/git), leaf-devel, leaf-user

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Re: [leaf-devel] Mailing Lists

2010-04-06 Thread Mike Noyes
Martin,
I'm willing to resume my duties as list manager.


On Tue, 2010-04-06 at 09:38 -0700, Mike Noyes wrote:
 Everyone,
 Are there any objections to deleting the following mailing lists:
 
 leaf-announce, leaf-auto, leaf-hardware, leaf-wisp-dist
 
 This will leave:
 
 leaf-cvs-commits (rename to leaf-commits, or delete in favor of
 laconica w/git), leaf-devel, leaf-user
 


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Re: [leaf-devel] Mailing Lists

2010-04-06 Thread Charles Steinkuehler
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On 4/6/2010 11:38 AM, Mike Noyes wrote:
 Everyone,
 Are there any objections to deleting the following mailing lists:
 
 leaf-announce, leaf-auto, leaf-hardware, leaf-wisp-dist
 
 This will leave:
 
 leaf-cvs-commits (rename to leaf-commits, or delete in favor of
 laconica w/git), leaf-devel, leaf-user

No objections here.  Just -devel, -user, and -commits seems like plenty
with the limited traffic these days.

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Re: [leaf-devel] Mailing Lists

2010-04-06 Thread Martin Hejl
Hi Mike,

 Are there any objections to deleting the following mailing lists:

  leaf-announce, leaf-auto, leaf-hardware, leaf-wisp-dist
No objections at all - they've done nothing but receive spam for quite a 
while now.

 leaf-cvs-commits (rename to leaf-commits, or delete in favor of
 laconica w/git)
how about if we wait until somebody has actually done the work of (or is 
actively working on) migrating CVS, plus all the support-scripts in 
buildtool and for the packages page and changelog on the homepage, 
before we start renaming mailing lists.
It would seem a bit silly if we ended up with everything still in CVS 
(because nobody actually did a migration, or the migration was never 
finished) but have a commits-list that suggests otherwise.

Just my 2 cents

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Re: [leaf-devel] Mailing Lists

2010-04-06 Thread Martin Hejl
Hi Mike,

 I'm willing to resume my duties as list manager.
feel free to do so if you'd like to. Due to the fact that the lists have 
been _very_ low traffic lately (apart from the spam that's automatically 
discarded), it's not been a burden - but if you'd like to take care of 
the lists again, that's ok with me.

Martin

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Re: [leaf-devel] Mailing Lists

2010-04-06 Thread Mike Noyes
On Tue, 2010-04-06 at 19:21 +0200, Martin Hejl wrote:
 Hi Mike,
 
  Are there any objections to deleting the following mailing lists:
 
   leaf-announce, leaf-auto, leaf-hardware, leaf-wisp-dist
 No objections at all - they've done nothing but receive spam for quite a 
 while now.

Martin,
Done.

  leaf-cvs-commits (rename to leaf-commits, or delete in favor of
  laconica w/git)
 how about if we wait until somebody has actually done the work of (or is 
 actively working on) migrating CVS, plus all the support-scripts in 
 buildtool and for the packages page and changelog on the homepage, 
 before we start renaming mailing lists.

Agreed. I have to look into export and import to git first. The only
things I want to migrate are docs, bering-uclibc, and the unnamed one.
Planned archival of cvs in the frs for historical use.

 It would seem a bit silly if we ended up with everything still in CVS 
 (because nobody actually did a migration, or the migration was never 
 finished) but have a commits-list that suggests otherwise.

Agreed.

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Re: [leaf-devel] Mailing Lists

2010-04-06 Thread Mike Noyes
On Tue, 2010-04-06 at 19:39 +0200, Martin Hejl wrote:
 Hi Mike,
 
  I'm willing to resume my duties as list manager.

 feel free to do so if you'd like to. Due to the fact that the lists have 
 been _very_ low traffic lately (apart from the spam that's automatically 
 discarded), it's not been a burden - but if you'd like to take care of 
 the lists again, that's ok with me.

Martin,
I'll take care of the changes today. Thank you for managing our lists. I
greatly appreciate it.

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Re: [leaf-devel] Mailing Lists

2010-04-06 Thread Mike Noyes
On Tue, 2010-04-06 at 10:48 -0700, Mike Noyes wrote:
 On Tue, 2010-04-06 at 19:39 +0200, Martin Hejl wrote:
  Hi Mike,
  
   I'm willing to resume my duties as list manager.
 
  feel free to do so if you'd like to. Due to the fact that the lists have 
  been _very_ low traffic lately (apart from the spam that's automatically 
  discarded), it's not been a burden - but if you'd like to take care of 
  the lists again, that's ok with me.
 
 Martin,
 I'll take care of the changes today. Thank you for managing our lists. I
 greatly appreciate it.

Martin,
Done.

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Re: [leaf-devel] Mailing Lists

2010-04-06 Thread Mike Noyes
On Tue, 2010-04-06 at 12:11 -0500, Charles Steinkuehler wrote:
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 On 4/6/2010 11:38 AM, Mike Noyes wrote:
  Everyone,
  Are there any objections to deleting the following mailing lists:
  
  leaf-announce, leaf-auto, leaf-hardware, leaf-wisp-dist
  
  This will leave:
  
  leaf-cvs-commits (rename to leaf-commits, or delete in favor of
  laconica w/git), leaf-devel, leaf-user
 
 No objections here.  Just -devel, -user, and -commits seems like plenty
 with the limited traffic these days.

Charles,
Done, and thanks for the input.

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[leaf-devel] Buildtool

2010-04-06 Thread Mike Noyes
Martin,
What assistance will help with 'buildtool' conversion from cvs to git?

http://leaf.cvs.sourceforge.net/viewvc/leaf/src/bering-uclibc/buildtool/

Everyone,
This task is the main thing holding up a move to git.

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[leaf-devel] The UnNamed One

2010-04-06 Thread Mike Noyes
Everyone,
How about one of these straits:

Bass, Bonifacio, Bosporus, Cook, Denmark, Dover, Georgia,
Gibraltar, Hormuz, Hudson, Kara, Kerch, Korea, La Perouse,
Laptev, Luzon, Malacca, Magellan, Matochkin, Menai, Messina,
Otranto, Sannikov, Sicily, Taiwan, Tatar, or Vilkitshogo.

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Re: [leaf-devel] Buildtool

2010-04-06 Thread Martin Hejl
Hi Mike,

 What assistance will help with 'buildtool' conversion from cvs to git?

 http://leaf.cvs.sourceforge.net/viewvc/leaf/src/bering-uclibc/buildtool/

For starters, somebody who knows something about git (if that person was 
also a perl hacker, even better. But the code should be commented well 
enough that it should be possible to write the new code even without a 
great deal of perl knowledge).

As far as I can see, in order for buildtool to work against a repository 
that's not cvs based, we need the corresponding implementation of

CvsExt.pm, CvsPserver.pm, ViewCVS.pm

in

http://leaf.cvs.sourceforge.net/viewvc/leaf/src/bering-uclibc/buildtool/buildtool/DownloadTypes/

(most likely one implementation would be sufficient, since they all seem 
to be variations of the same thing)

Once that's in place, the cvs-sourceforge server definition in 
http://leaf.cvs.sourceforge.net/viewvc/leaf/src/bering-uclibc/buildtool/conf/sources.cfg?revision=HEAD
 

needs to be updated accordingly.

If we still want the packages to be stored in the SCM system, and we 
still want the packages page and changelog to be be (semi-)automatically 
generated, the script
http://leaf.cvs.sourceforge.net/viewvc/leaf/src/bering-uclibc/buildtool/tools/genpage.pl
needs to be ported to work with the new SCM as well

Just in case it's not obvious - I'm not volunteering for that job. To 
me, moving to a different SCM requires a lot of work, while not really 
solving a problem the project faces (IMHO) - unless I'm missing 
something, if all goes well and somebody spends the time on the 
migration and writing the new code for buildtool, we have pretty much 
the same we already have (the only difference would be the SCM being used).
But of course, I'm not in a position to tell other people what they 
should or shouldn't do - I'm just trying to explain why I would have a 
hard time justifying spending my time on that (if I had that time at the 
moment).

I may be able to help out with specific questions here and there, but at 
the moment, I don't have an awful lot of spare time on my hands.

 This task is the main thing holding up a move to git.
Just out of curiosity - what features of git make it the SCM of choice 
for leaf? Seriously, all I know about it is that it is used to store the 
sources of the linux kernel.

Martin

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Re: [leaf-devel] Buildtool

2010-04-06 Thread Mike Noyes
On Tue, 2010-04-06 at 22:08 +0200, Martin Hejl wrote:
-snip-
  This task is the main thing holding up a move to git.

 Just out of curiosity - what features of git make it the SCM of choice 
 for leaf? Seriously, all I know about it is that it is used to store the 
 sources of the linux kernel.

Martin,
Git is very good at branch and merge operations. It's not the only scm
SF is making available. Multiple repositories are available for most of
the new offerings. This will allow us to have separate repositories for
documentation and each leaf branch.

https://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/sourceforge/wiki/What%20is%20Source%20Code%20Management?

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Re: [leaf-devel] Buildtool

2010-04-06 Thread Mike Noyes
On Tue, 2010-04-06 at 22:08 +0200, Martin Hejl wrote:
 Hi Mike,
 
  What assistance will help with 'buildtool' conversion from cvs to git?
 
  http://leaf.cvs.sourceforge.net/viewvc/leaf/src/bering-uclibc/buildtool/
-snip-
 If we still want the packages to be stored in the SCM system, 

Martin,
I don't believe this is necessary any longer. SF now supports
subdirectories in the FRS, making our previous pseudo-directory
structure obsolete. I'll work on this tomorrow.

https://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/sourceforge/wiki/Release%20files%20for%20download#Folders
https://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/sourceforge/wiki/Release%20files%20for%20download#AccessingReleasesviaShell
http://leaf.cvs.sourceforge.net/viewvc/*checkout*/leaf/sourceforge/docmanager/docid_1464.html?revision=1.3


 and we still want the packages page and changelog to be be 
 (semi-)automatically 
 generated, the script
 http://leaf.cvs.sourceforge.net/viewvc/leaf/src/bering-uclibc/buildtool/tools/genpage.pl
 needs to be ported to work with the new SCM as well

Port to trac wiki syntax.

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