Re: [Leaf-devel] Netscape download problems revealed! (was: Re: [Leaf-devel] Re: CRC error on shorewall.lrp NO ERROR)
At 08:57 PM 04/10/2001 -0700, Ray Olszewski wrote >Cynical Microsoft >Internet Explorer, in contrast, knows full well that the world is full of >misconfigured servers, weird file extensions, and the like ... so it >applies >some sort of test to the actual bitstream it receives to decide whether it >really is text or binary [I don't know the details of this test - does >anyone?]. See Appendix A: MIME Type Detection in Internet Explorer: http://msdn.microsoft.com/workshop/networking/moniker/overview/appendix_a.as p
Re: [Leaf-devel] Netscape download problems revealed! (was: Re:[Leaf-devel] Re: CRC error on shorewall.lrp NO ERROR)
On Tue, 10 Apr 2001, Ray Olszewski wrote: > This really should be a FAQ answer. What a gaping hole. I could have sworn it was on lrp.c0wz.com, but I cannot find it. > The Web server tells the browser what type of file a download is. For > our purposes here, the important types are text and binary. It's > common for Web servers to have text as their default types, and to use > a list of filename extensions to classify downloads. Since ".lrp" is > not on any Web server's out-of-the-box list of file extensions, it > often gets sent as the default "text" type. > > Downloads to Unix/Linux systems typically survive this mistake. > Downloads to Windows systems typically do not because, for text-file > downloads, the browser converts Unix newlines (\n) to Windows newlines > (\r\n). This makes real text files much easier to work with on Windows > systems, but ruins binary files that are being downloaded as text. > > Netscape exhibits this problem because Netscape is polite and follows > the html standards. So if a Web server says a file is text, trusting > old Netscape believes it and (for .lrp files) makes a mess. Cynical > Microsoft Internet Explorer, in contrast, knows full well that the > world is full of misconfigured servers, weird file extensions, and the > like ... so it applies some sort of test to the actual bitstream it > receives to decide whether it really is text or binary [I don't know > the details of this test - does anyone?]. I thought there was a better link for this info, but this is all I can find at the moment. http://msdn.microsoft.com/workshop/networking/moniker/overview/appendix_a.asp > Consequently, the download problem only shows up under these three conditions: > > 1. The source site has failed to add ".lrp" to its mime-type list > (the list that identifies files that are not the default > type). > 2. The download is going to a Windows workstation. > 3. The Windows worstation is using Netscape. > > There is no "fix" except to change one of the above 3 conditions. >From the user's point of view, the easiest solution is for the server to be configured properly. Next is to use IE, unless they have somehow managed to disable it. [...] --- Jeff NewmillerThe . . Go Live... DCN:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Basics: ##.#. ##.#. Live Go... Work:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Live: OO#.. Dead: OO#.. Playing Research Engineer (Solar/BatteriesO.O#. #.O#. with /Software/Embedded Controllers) .OO#. .OO#. rocks...2k --- ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
RE: [Leaf-devel] Re: CRC error on shorewall.lrp NO ERROR
sorry about my last mail, it's already been answered (much better!). my smtp server died some time this afternoon! pedro > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 4:46 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [Leaf-devel] Re: CRC error on shorewall.lrp NO ERROR > > > I belive it has something to do with mime types (encoding), > try to add a > mime type for *.lrp as octet-stream. (to encode it base64) > > maybe iexplorer uses that mime type for unknown types. > > > -Original Message- > > From: Scott C. Best [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 4:39 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: [Leaf-devel] Re: CRC error on shorewall.lrp NO ERROR > > > > > > Eric: > > I too still have problems grabbing .lrp's with > > Netscape. I recall someone posting an explanation and a > > fix to the LRP list early last year, but it didn't take. :) > > > > -Scott > > > > > I tried again a download with netscape (with shift, right > > click etc) > > > every time crc error, but after using internet explorer ( > > very unusual > > > for me ;) ) there was no problem at all > > > So the problem was at my side (don't understand why I have got a > > > problem with Netscape this time) > > > > > > ___ > > Leaf-devel mailing list > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel > > > > ___ > Leaf-devel mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel > ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
RE: [Leaf-devel] Re: CRC error on shorewall.lrp NO ERROR
I belive it has something to do with mime types (encoding), try to add a mime type for *.lrp as octet-stream. (to encode it base64) maybe iexplorer uses that mime type for unknown types. > -Original Message- > From: Scott C. Best [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 4:39 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [Leaf-devel] Re: CRC error on shorewall.lrp NO ERROR > > > Eric: > I too still have problems grabbing .lrp's with > Netscape. I recall someone posting an explanation and a > fix to the LRP list early last year, but it didn't take. :) > > -Scott > > > I tried again a download with netscape (with shift, right > click etc) > > every time crc error, but after using internet explorer ( > very unusual > > for me ;) ) there was no problem at all > > So the problem was at my side (don't understand why I have got a > > problem with Netscape this time) > > > ___ > Leaf-devel mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel > ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [Leaf-devel] Netscape download problems revealed! (was: Re:[Leaf-devel] Re: CRC error on shorewall.lrp NO ERROR)
Thus spoke Ray Olszewski: > At 09:22 AM 4/10/01 -0700, Tom Eastep wrote: > [background stuff deleted] > >I've updated my Apache configuration by adding the following to > >/etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf: > > > > AddType application/octet-stream .lrp > > > >Unfortunately, I don't have a Windoze system running Netscape to test it > >with. > > I use Win95 with Netscape as my everyday workstation. What would you like > tested? I connected to http://seattlefirewall.dyndns.org and followed the > "download" link, but only saw .tgz files there (even the LRP versions were > tgz'd). > > BTW, you do need to restart Apache after making the configuration change you > made. (Or maybe you can re-hup it, but I never had any luck with that method.) > > Thanks, Ray. Go to http://seattlefirewall.dyndns.org/pub/shorewall; there are .lrp files there. -Tom -- Tom Eastep \ Alt Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ #60745924 \ Websites: http://seawall.sourceforge.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] \ http://seattlefirewall.dyndns.org Shoreline, Washington USA \ http://shorewall.sourceforge.net \_ ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [Leaf-devel] Netscape download problems revealed! (was: Re: [Leaf-devel] Re: CRC error on shorewall.lrp NO ERROR)
At 09:22 AM 4/10/01 -0700, Tom Eastep wrote: [background stuff deleted] >I've updated my Apache configuration by adding the following to >/etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf: > > AddType application/octet-stream .lrp > >Unfortunately, I don't have a Windoze system running Netscape to test it >with. I use Win95 with Netscape as my everyday workstation. What would you like tested? I connected to http://seattlefirewall.dyndns.org and followed the "download" link, but only saw .tgz files there (even the LRP versions were tgz'd). BTW, you do need to restart Apache after making the configuration change you made. (Or maybe you can re-hup it, but I never had any luck with that method.) -- "Never tell me the odds!"--- Ray Olszewski-- Han Solo Palo Alto, CA[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [Leaf-devel] Netscape download problems revealed! (was: Re: [Leaf-devel] Re: CRC error on shorewall.lrp NO ERROR)
At 09:27 AM 4/10/01 -0700, Mike Noyes wrote: ... >>Mike -- wanna edit this into a FAQ entry? > >Ray, >You read my mind. Unless you want to do it, I'll put something together and >place it in sec00 later today. You forget how lazy I am and how much I hate DocBook and all its cousins (as I've written elsewhere, I want to *write* documentatin, not *program* documentation). Please go ahead ... and please feel free to assume you may do so with anything else you see me post (here or on the LRP lists) that you think worth the bother. -- "Never tell me the odds!"--- Ray Olszewski-- Han Solo Palo Alto, CA[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [Leaf-devel] Netscape download problems revealed! (was: Re: [Leaf-devel]Re: CRC error on shorewall.lrp NO ERROR)
Ray Olszewski wrote: > > This really should be a FAQ answer. This is one of the best and most understandable and most concise answers I've seen... > Consequently, the download problem only shows up under these three conditions: > > 1. The source site has failed to add ".lrp" to its mime-type list > (the list that identifies files that are not the default > type). > 2. The download is going to a Windows workstation. > 3. The Windows worstation is using Netscape. > > There is no "fix" except to change one of the above 3 conditions. Interesting! I never knew how everything tied together... ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [Leaf-devel] Netscape download problems revealed! (was: Re: [Leaf-devel] Re: CRC error on shorewall.lrp NO ERROR)
Ray Olszewski, 2001-04-10 20:57 -0700 > This really should be a FAQ answer. > >Consequently, the download problem only shows up under these three conditions: > > 1. The source site has failed to add ".lrp" to its mime-type > list (the list that identifies files that are not the > default > type). > 2. The download is going to a Windows workstation. > 3. The Windows worstation is using Netscape. > >There is no "fix" except to change one of the above 3 conditions. > >Mike -- wanna edit this into a FAQ entry? Ray, You read my mind. Unless you want to do it, I'll put something together and place it in sec00 later today. -- Mike Noyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://leaf.sourceforge.net/ ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [Leaf-devel] Netscape download problems revealed! (was: Re:[Leaf-devel] Re: CRC error on shorewall.lrp NO ERROR)
Thus spoke Ray Olszewski: > This really should be a FAQ answer. > > > Consequently, the download problem only shows up under these three conditions: > > 1. The source site has failed to add ".lrp" to its mime-type list > (the list that identifies files that are not the default > type). > 2. The download is going to a Windows workstation. > 3. The Windows worstation is using Netscape. > > There is no "fix" except to change one of the above 3 conditions. > > Mike -- wanna edit this into a FAQ entry? > > At 08:38 AM 4/10/01 -0700, Scott C. Best wrote: > >Eric: > > I too still have problems grabbing .lrp's with > >Netscape. I recall someone posting an explanation and a > >fix to the LRP list early last year, but it didn't take. :) > > I've updated my Apache configuration by adding the following to /etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf: AddType application/octet-stream .lrp Unfortunately, I don't have a Windoze system running Netscape to test it with. -Tom -- Tom Eastep \ Alt Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ #60745924 \ Websites: http://seawall.sourceforge.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] \ http://seattlefirewall.dyndns.org Shoreline, Washington USA \ http://shorewall.sourceforge.net \_ ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [Leaf-devel] Re: CRC error on shorewall.lrp NO ERROR
Scott C. Best, 2001-04-10 08:38 -0700 >Eric: > I too still have problems grabbing .lrp's with >Netscape. I recall someone posting an explanation and a >fix to the LRP list early last year, but it didn't take. :) Scott, Are you referring to this post from Matt? http://www.geocrawler.com/mail/msg.php3?msg_id=5096630&list=303 -- Mike Noyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://leaf.sourceforge.net/ ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
[Leaf-devel] Netscape download problems revealed! (was: Re: [Leaf-devel]Re: CRC error on shorewall.lrp NO ERROR)
This really should be a FAQ answer. The Web server tells the browser what type of file a download is. For our purposes here, the important types are text and binary. It's common for Web servers to have text as their default types, and to use a list of filename extensions to classify downloads. Since ".lrp" is not on any Web server's out-of-the-box list of file extensions, it often gets sent as the default "text" type. Downloads to Unix/Linux systems typically survive this mistake. Downloads to Windows systems typically do not because, for text-file downloads, the browser converts Unix newlines (\n) to Windows newlines (\r\n). This makes real text files much easier to work with on Windows systems, but ruins binary files that are being downloaded as text. Netscape exhibits this problem because Netscape is polite and follows the html standards. So if a Web server says a file is text, trusting old Netscape believes it and (for .lrp files) makes a mess. Cynical Microsoft Internet Explorer, in contrast, knows full well that the world is full of misconfigured servers, weird file extensions, and the like ... so it applies some sort of test to the actual bitstream it receives to decide whether it really is text or binary [I don't know the details of this test - does anyone?]. Consequently, the download problem only shows up under these three conditions: 1. The source site has failed to add ".lrp" to its mime-type list (the list that identifies files that are not the default type). 2. The download is going to a Windows workstation. 3. The Windows worstation is using Netscape. There is no "fix" except to change one of the above 3 conditions. Mike -- wanna edit this into a FAQ entry? At 08:38 AM 4/10/01 -0700, Scott C. Best wrote: >Eric: > I too still have problems grabbing .lrp's with >Netscape. I recall someone posting an explanation and a >fix to the LRP list early last year, but it didn't take. :) > >-Scott > >> I tried again a download with netscape (with shift, right click etc) >> every time crc error, but after using internet explorer ( very unusual >> for me ;) ) there was no problem at all >> So the problem was at my side (don't understand why I have got a >> problem with Netscape this time) -- "Never tell me the odds!"--- Ray Olszewski-- Han Solo Palo Alto, CA[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [Leaf-devel] Re: CRC error on shorewall.lrp NO ERROR
Eric: I too still have problems grabbing .lrp's with Netscape. I recall someone posting an explanation and a fix to the LRP list early last year, but it didn't take. :) -Scott > I tried again a download with netscape (with shift, right click etc) > every time crc error, but after using internet explorer ( very unusual > for me ;) ) there was no problem at all > So the problem was at my side (don't understand why I have got a > problem with Netscape this time) ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [Leaf-devel] Re: CRC error on shorewall.lrp NO ERROR
Hello Tom > Thus spoke Eric Wolzak: > > > Hello Tom, > > I tried to load the shorewall.lrp using an experimental 2.4.1 lrp disk > > With the 1.0 and the 1.1. version I got a crc error using different > > programms (powerarchiver tar and "lrpkg -i" ) > > I verified this on more standarized disks ;) > > > > Did I do something wrong, or could it be that there is a crc error in > > the package ? > > > > I just downloaded from Sourceforge and: > > [teastep@wookie teastep]$ tar -ztf shorewall-lrp-1.1.1.lrp > etc/init.d/shorewall > etc/shorewall/ > etc/shorewall/masq > [teastep@wookie shoretest]$ > >http://seattlefirewall.dyndns.org/pub/shorewall/shorwall-1.1.1.lrp > > that renames the package to "shorwall" so as to accomodate MSDOS file > systems. It is also free from CRC errors. > > -Tom > -- > Tom Eastep \ Alt Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > ICQ #60745924 \ Websites: http://seawall.sourceforge.net > [EMAIL PROTECTED] \ http://seattlefirewall.dyndns.org > Shoreline, Washington USA \ http://shorewall.sourceforge.net >\_ I tried again a download with netscape (with shift, right click etc) every time crc error, but after using internet explorer ( very unusual for me ;) ) there was no problem at all So the problem was at my side (don't understand why I have got a problem with Netscape this time) At least I had time to read the documentation, before starting experimenting :) Greetings Eric Wolzak http://leaf.sourceforge.net/devel/ericw ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
