RE: [leaf-devel] Flash Stick Image

2006-04-20 Thread Jorn Eriksen
Hey David,

Investigatet that a little bit.  Altough it's a good idea it would require
different versions for different OS/*nix variants and as much explanations
as a simple image.  With my limited knowlegde of this type of script, the
saving would be in the creation process and not neccecarily on the user
end. There I could see a few other issues.  With a clean image it could,
and in fact have been on most of my sticks, as simle as dd
if=image_file.img of=/dev/sda.  I guess it could not be any simpler than
that :-)  Maybe you have some deeper knowlege that can enlighten me more?

Best regards
Jørn

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KP Kirchdoerfer wrote:
 We currently have three ideas how to provide an USB image:

Here's another idea for you all:

 3) a pendrive-script, which creates a bootable USB stick by using the
ISO
 image and some modifications for USB - nothing to test yet, but maybe
soon.
 (I like to add vfat or ext2 to the image, so the modules will be as easy
 loadable as with the ISO image).

How about a self-contained shar script?

That is, a single text file which contains the binaries and scripting
needed to get it unravelled onto a USB stick?


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Re: [leaf-devel] Flash Stick Image

2006-04-20 Thread David Douthitt

Jorn Eriksen wrote:

Investigatet that a little bit.  Altough it's a good idea it would require
different versions for different OS/*nix variants and as much explanations
as a simple image.  With my limited knowlegde of this type of script, the
saving would be in the creation process and not neccecarily on the user
end. There I could see a few other issues.  With a clean image it could,
and in fact have been on most of my sticks, as simle as dd
if=image_file.img of=/dev/sda.  I guess it could not be any simpler than
that :-)  Maybe you have some deeper knowlege that can enlighten me more?


I was thinking of having a single script, with files contained in it in 
the shar format, and then unshar the files and copy to disk.  You could 
even - possibly - unshar a file then use it as an executable (such as 
syslinux).


If you used dd, then the disk would have to be at least a particular 
size, and any larger size disk would waste a lot of space.



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Re: [leaf-devel] Flash Stick Image

2006-04-13 Thread KP Kirchdoerfer
Hi Jorn;

any success building a new image?

kp


Am Montag, 3. April 2006 20:48 schrieb KP Kirchdoerfer:
 Jorn;

 Am Montag, 3. April 2006 20:41 schrieb Jorn Eriksen:
  KP  All,
 
  Did you format from  Windows?
 
  Nop - Debian Sarge 2.6 kernel with msdos,fat  vfat modules loaded
 
  I guess it got to late yesterday.  Looking trough my notes I saw that I
  forgott to format it with mkfs.vfat
  mkdir /hd
  mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /hd
  touch thisisatestwithreallylongfilenames.txt
  works fine with my image now.
  I have also changed the syslinux.cfg entries to /dev/sda1:vfat
 
  But, I can not get long file names with lrcfg :-(

 What do you test with lrcfg??

 I just check on CLI. And real testcase IMHO will be modules.conf with the
 enhancements to load from sda...

  Maybe I just do this to late in the evening.  I'll roll another image
  tomorrow morning  - hopefully I get all stuff ironed out then.  I guess
  the reformat will take care of the umbunto issue as well.

 Sounds good, will test again :)

 kp



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RE: [leaf-devel] Flash Stick Image

2006-04-02 Thread Jorn Eriksen
Hello all;


We currently have three ideas how to provide an USB image:
1) a complete image which can be dd'ed to /dev/sda and is ready to boot;
this is what Jorn, Eric and Andrea tried to build and provided for
testing.
As far as I can see - my image is ready for prime-time.  Do we need to do
something to make that happen?


2) provide a tarball which can be dd'ed but have the user run syslinux to
make
it bootable (Natanaels proposal) - nothing to test yet.
I guess this should be easy to create this from my image above.  If there is
a need I can create this... Input anyone?


3) a pendrive-script, which creates a bootable USB stick by using the
ISO
image and some modifications for USB - nothing to test yet, but maybe
soon.
(I like to add vfat or ext2 to the image, so the modules will be as easy
loadable as with the ISO image).
With no 12 above +  the docs update - would we need a standalone script at
all?  Eric  I where theorizing around create a script similar to the ISO /
FD image create script, that would create an image for USB Pen Drive's.  The
script that DSL uses could be used as a base for thus using the loopback
image model.

Best regards
Jørn
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Moin Moin;

Am Mittwoch, 29. März 2006 02:22 schrieb Jorn Eriksen:
 Hello Everyone,

 Some more results from testing of USB Sticks.

 Looking at the physical properties on the USB sticks it seams we are in
for
 some fun.  It seams to me that they all have different physical
attributes.
 I tested with some other ones as well including the brand new 256mb stick.
 All had different metrics.

 I've just rolled a new image and uploaded this.  To this image I've
applied
 the mbr.bin that came with syslinux v3.11 - maybe that works better.  Now
 - we are in for some more fun - have a look at this article:
 http://syslinux.zytor.com/usbkey.php

Have someone looked into this?

 We really should have some more folks testing the different images/models.

Agree.

 Had a quick look on the DSL's pendrive_usbhdd.sh script.  I'm quite sure
we
 shold be able to use this as well.  The package can be found here:
 ftp://ftp.belnet.be/packages/damnsmalllinux/archive/pendrive_usbhdd.tar.gz

I started to work on this one and it looks promising. But it is a totally
different approach.

We currently have three ideas how to provide an USB image:

1) a complete image which can be dd'ed to /dev/sda and is ready to boot;
this is what Jorn, Eric and Andrea tried to build and provided for testing.

2) provide a tarball which can be dd'ed but have the user run syslinux to
make
it bootable (Natanaels proposal) - nothing to test yet.

3) a pendrive-script, which creates a bootable USB stick by using the ISO
image and some modifications for USB - nothing to test yet, but maybe soon.
(I like to add vfat or ext2 to the image, so the modules will be as easy
loadable as with the ISO image).

kp






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RE: [leaf-devel] Flash Stick Image

2006-04-02 Thread Eric Spakman
Hello Jorn,

 Hello all;



 We currently have three ideas how to provide an USB image:
 1) a complete image which can be dd'ed to /dev/sda and is ready to
 boot; this is what Jorn, Eric and Andrea tried to build and provided
 for
 testing. As far as I can see - my image is ready for prime-time.  Do we
 need to do something to make that happen?

Kp can put the image in the File Release Area or somewhere else on the
LEAF site. It can always be improved later if problems are found.
A question about the fs: did you use fat23 (with the vfat driver) or
fat16? In the latter case the module names are truncated, in the first
case the vfat module has to be added to the usb initrd.


 2) provide a tarball which can be dd'ed but have the user run
 syslinux to
 make
 it bootable (Natanaels proposal) - nothing to test yet.
 I guess this should be easy to create this from my image above.  If there
 is a need I can create this... Input anyone?


 3) a pendrive-script, which creates a bootable USB stick by using
 the
 ISO

 image and some modifications for USB - nothing to test yet, but maybe

 soon.
 (I like to add vfat or ext2 to the image, so the modules will be as
 easy loadable as with the ISO image).
 With no 12 above +  the docs update - would we need a standalone script
 at all?  Eric  I where theorizing around create a script similar to the
 ISO /
 FD image create script, that would create an image for USB Pen Drive's.
 The
 script that DSL uses could be used as a base for thus using the loopback
  image model.

I didn't manage to create a bootable image with using the loopback method
unfortuanatly. I'm still trying to find out why, Kp sended me links that
give some hints which I have to look at.

 Best regards
 Jørn

Regards,
Eric



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RE: [leaf-devel] Flash Stick Image

2006-04-02 Thread Jorn Eriksen
KP  All,

A default leaf.cfg like in the floppy images would be nice.
Eric pointed to the modules problem (they are truncated in the latest
image).
I've taken the leaf.cfg from the floppy and converted to the stick image.

I've also tried to create a partition on the stick using partition id b (W95
FAT32) as well as adding the vfat module and the ext2 module to the
INITRD_USB.LRP file.  I can not get it to use full lenght file names in the
menues.  Maybe it's a cant see the forest for all the trees kind of
issue..

The new image are uploading as I write this.

Long term I'd like to see a solution which works without too much human
intervention - similar to ISO/FD creation.. or if that doesn't work we may
be
better off with a script like in 3)?
We got, basically, 3 test of my former image.  It seams to work and it would
require about the same effort (for the end user) as creating ISO/FD.  I
wonder though, for the W32 users, is there a tool similar to dd that they
can use?  Ideas anyone?

Best regards
Jørn
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Am Sonntag, 2. April 2006 14:36 schrieb Jorn Eriksen:
 Hello all;

 We currently have three ideas how to provide an USB image:
 1) a complete image which can be dd'ed to /dev/sda and is ready to boot;
 this is what Jorn, Eric and Andrea tried to build and provided for

 testing.
 As far as I can see - my image is ready for prime-time.  Do we need to do
 something to make that happen?

 2) provide a tarball which can be dd'ed but have the user run syslinux
to

 make

 it bootable (Natanaels proposal) - nothing to test yet.

 I guess this should be easy to create this from my image above.  If there
 is a need I can create this... Input anyone?

 3) a pendrive-script, which creates a bootable USB stick by using the

 ISO

 image and some modifications for USB - nothing to test yet, but maybe

 soon.

 (I like to add vfat or ext2 to the image, so the modules will be as easy
 loadable as with the ISO image).

 With no 12 above +  the docs update - would we need a standalone script
at
 all?  Eric  I where theorizing around create a script similar to the ISO
/
 FD image create script, that would create an image for USB Pen Drive's.
 The script that DSL uses could be used as a base for thus using the
 loopback image model.

Jorn;

A default leaf.cfg like in the floppy images would be nice.
Eric pointed to the modules problem (they are truncated in the latest
image).

Long term I'd like to see a solution which works without too much human
intervention - similar to ISO/FD creation.. or if that doesn't work we may
be
better off with a script like in 3)?

But for the current version 2.4 we can add your image if the remaining pb's
are solved.


kp


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Re: [leaf-devel] Flash Stick Image

2006-04-01 Thread KP Kirchdoerfer
Moin Moin;

Am Mittwoch, 29. März 2006 02:22 schrieb Jorn Eriksen:
 Hello Everyone,

 Some more results from testing of USB Sticks.

 Looking at the physical properties on the USB sticks it seams we are in for
 some fun.  It seams to me that they all have different physical attributes.
 I tested with some other ones as well including the brand new 256mb stick.
 All had different metrics.

 I've just rolled a new image and uploaded this.  To this image I've applied
 the mbr.bin that came with syslinux v3.11 - maybe that works better.  Now 
 - we are in for some more fun - have a look at this article:
 http://syslinux.zytor.com/usbkey.php

Have someone looked into this?

 We really should have some more folks testing the different images/models.

Agree.

 Had a quick look on the DSL's pendrive_usbhdd.sh script.  I'm quite sure we
 shold be able to use this as well.  The package can be found here:
 ftp://ftp.belnet.be/packages/damnsmalllinux/archive/pendrive_usbhdd.tar.gz

I started to work on this one and it looks promising. But it is a totally 
different approach.

We currently have three ideas how to provide an USB image:

1) a complete image which can be dd'ed to /dev/sda and is ready to boot;
this is what Jorn, Eric and Andrea tried to build and provided for testing.

2) provide a tarball which can be dd'ed but have the user run syslinux to make 
it bootable (Natanaels proposal) - nothing to test yet.

3) a pendrive-script, which creates a bootable USB stick by using the ISO 
image and some modifications for USB - nothing to test yet, but maybe soon. 
(I like to add vfat or ext2 to the image, so the modules will be as easy 
loadable as with the ISO image).

kp


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Re: [leaf-devel] Flash Stick Image

2006-04-01 Thread KP Kirchdoerfer
Moin Moin;

Am Mittwoch, 29. März 2006 02:22 schrieb Jorn Eriksen:
 Hello Everyone,

 Some more results from testing of USB Sticks.

 Looking at the physical properties on the USB sticks it seams we are in for
 some fun.  It seams to me that they all have different physical attributes.
 I tested with some other ones as well including the brand new 256mb stick.
 All had different metrics.

 I've just rolled a new image and uploaded this.  To this image I've applied
 the mbr.bin that came with syslinux v3.11 - maybe that works better.  Now 
 - we are in for some more fun - have a look at this article:
 http://syslinux.zytor.com/usbkey.php

Have someone looked into this?

 We really should have some more folks testing the different images/models.

Agree.

 Had a quick look on the DSL's pendrive_usbhdd.sh script.  I'm quite sure we
 shold be able to use this as well.  The package can be found here:
 ftp://ftp.belnet.be/packages/damnsmalllinux/archive/pendrive_usbhdd.tar.gz

I started to work on this one and it looks promising. But it is a totally 
different approach.

We currently have three ideas how to provide an USB image:

1) a complete image which can be dd'ed to /dev/sda and is ready to boot;
this is what Jorn, Eric and Andrea tried to build and provided for testing.

2) provide a tarball which can be dd'ed but have the user run syslinux to make 
it bootable (Natanaels proposal) - nothing to test yet.

3) a pendrive-script, which creates a bootable USB stick by using the ISO 
image and some modifications for USB - nothing to test yet, but maybe soon. 
(I like to add vfat or ext2 to the image, so the modules will be as easy 
loadable as with the ISO image).

kp






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Re: [leaf-devel] Flash Stick Image

2006-03-29 Thread Natanael Copa
Jorn Eriksen wrote:
 Hello Everyone,
 
 Some more results from testing of USB Sticks.
 
 Looking at the physical properties on the USB sticks it seams we are in for
 some fun.  It seams to me that they all have different physical attributes.
 I tested with some other ones as well including the brand new 256mb stick.
 All had different metrics.
 
 I've just rolled a new image and uploaded this.  To this image I've applied
 the mbr.bin that came with syslinux v3.11 - maybe that works better.  Now  -
 we are in for some more fun - have a look at this article:
 http://syslinux.zytor.com/usbkey.php
 
 Natanael - maybe you have a Award bios?

I have no idea. Its Dell.

 I've noticed that on certain of my
 machines the stick (with the image applied) look completely messed up.
 Howver - the image do boot with all the different stick I have, and on the
 three different test machines I got at home.  Very strange indeed.

The usb stick got partitioned and mounted just fine. I just didnt want
to boot.

 All - maybe we should try to roll a USB-ZIP image as well? For that we can
 use the Syslinux tool mentioned in the link above.

I'd say: ship a .tar.gz (or .zip) file that the user an unpack on
his/her usb drive and the run syslinux. You could even ship syslinux.exe
for windows users.

 I've tried with the image model that David described however presently I
 have no luck with that. I've tried Erics image as well - no luck there
 either. Eric - this is a full device image - right?
 
 We really should have some more folks testing the different images/models.
 
 Had a quick look on the DSL's pendrive_usbhdd.sh script.  I'm quite sure we
 shold be able to use this as well.  The package can be found here:
 ftp://ftp.belnet.be/packages/damnsmalllinux/archive/pendrive_usbhdd.tar.gz



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Re: [leaf-devel] Flash Stick Image

2006-03-28 Thread Mike Noyes
On Mon, 2006-03-27 at 10:36, Eric Spakman wrote:
 Using David's tip I also created an usb image, this is just a small one
 for testing it only contains the packages also available on floppy.
snip
 The image will show up in a few hours (when viewCVS is updated) at:
 http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/leaf/devel/espakman/

Eric,
I see you committed a new image (r1.2) to cvs. Have you received any
feedback yet?

All testers,
How well are the submitted usb flash drive images working?

http://www.ccl-network.com/leaf/stick.img.gz
http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/leaf/devel/faino/usbtest/
http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/leaf/devel/espakman/

Everyone,
I appreciate the work Jorn, Andrea, Eric, and all the people who
commented on this subject contributed. I hope we have a working image
shortly. :-)

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RE: [leaf-devel] Flash Stick Image

2006-03-28 Thread Jorn Eriksen
Mike  All,

I'll create an updated image later tonight (CET that is) however I've not
been able to find issues with my image testing it on 5-6 machines.  Eric
gave me another tip thus I'll give that a go as well.

Jorn
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On Mon, 2006-03-27 at 10:36, Eric Spakman wrote:
 Using David's tip I also created an usb image, this is just a small one
 for testing it only contains the packages also available on floppy.
snip
 The image will show up in a few hours (when viewCVS is updated) at:
 http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/leaf/devel/espakman/

Eric,
I see you committed a new image (r1.2) to cvs. Have you received any
feedback yet?

All testers,
How well are the submitted usb flash drive images working?

http://www.ccl-network.com/leaf/stick.img.gz
http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/leaf/devel/faino/usbtest/
http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/leaf/devel/espakman/

Everyone,
I appreciate the work Jorn, Andrea, Eric, and all the people who
commented on this subject contributed. I hope we have a working image
shortly. :-)

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Re: [leaf-devel] Flash Stick Image

2006-03-27 Thread David Douthitt

Natanael Copa wrote:

(firefox tried to display the binary and since link didnt work it isn't
possible to right-click - save as)


You could let Firefox display it, then select Save As... and save 
the page and it would be fine...


Just a matter of one wants to wait for Firefox to download the page 
or not, staring at ugly binary until then...



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Re: [leaf-devel] Flash Stick Image

2006-03-27 Thread Eric Spakman
Hello David,

Thanks for the help! I will try your suggestion and also create an image.

Eric

 To answer Eric's question, here's Andrea's tips adjusted slightly:


 Andrea Fino wrote:

 I did a working usb this way:


 1) build the env with buildroot, so I got the lrp in packages


 2) these commands:


 mkdosfs /dev/sde1 mount /dev/sde1 /mnt cd /root/packages cp -pr * /mnt
 umount /mnt syslinux /dev/sde1

 dd if=/dev/zero of=$HOME/usbfile bs=1024k count=20480 mkdosfs
 $HOME/usbfile
 mount -o loop $HOME/usbfile /mnt cd /root/packages cp -pr * /mnt umount
/mnt
 syslinux $HOME/usbfile

 The only added command (dd) creates a zero-filled file of 20M size.


 3) syslinux.cfg:


 PKGPATH=/dev/sda1:msdos and so LEAFCFG


 put initrd_usb.lrp

 Hope this helps...



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Re: [leaf-devel] Flash Stick Image

2006-03-27 Thread Eric Spakman
Hello all,

Using David's tip I also created an usb image, this is just a small one
for testing it only contains the packages also available on floppy.

There was a small error in the dd command, with a blocksize of 1024k it
would create an image of 20Gbyte :-) The blocksize should be 1k.

The image will show up in a few hours (when viewCVS is updated) at:
http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/leaf/devel/espakman/

Eric


 To answer Eric's question, here's Andrea's tips adjusted slightly:


 Andrea Fino wrote:

 I did a working usb this way:


 1) build the env with buildroot, so I got the lrp in packages


 2) these commands:


 mkdosfs /dev/sde1 mount /dev/sde1 /mnt cd /root/packages cp -pr * /mnt
 umount /mnt syslinux /dev/sde1

 dd if=/dev/zero of=$HOME/usbfile bs=1024k count=20480 mkdosfs
 $HOME/usbfile
 mount -o loop $HOME/usbfile /mnt cd /root/packages cp -pr * /mnt umount
/mnt
 syslinux $HOME/usbfile

 The only added command (dd) creates a zero-filled file of 20M size.


 3) syslinux.cfg:


 PKGPATH=/dev/sda1:msdos and so LEAFCFG


 put initrd_usb.lrp

 Hope this helps...



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RE: [leaf-devel] Flash Stick Image

2006-03-26 Thread Eric Spakman
Hello Jorn,

The same question to you, do you know a way to create an image without
using a physical USB stick?

Eric

 Mike  All,


 Here's the URL
 http://www.ccl-network.com/leaf/


 Best regards
 Jørn


 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mike Noyes
 Sent: 23. mars 2006 18:10
 To: leaf-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
 Subject: Re: [leaf-devel] Flash Stick Image



 On Thu, 2006-03-23 at 07:44, Jorn Eriksen wrote:

 This is really no big issue - I can just place it on one of my servers
 and give you guys a link.  I asked because I thought that it was,sort of
  anyways, smart to have it on the leaf site..

 Jorn,
 The other option, if KP thinks the image is ready, is to release it in
 our FRS on SF.

 I'll send a link in a little while!


 Thanks. :-)


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RE: [leaf-devel] Flash Stick Image

2006-03-24 Thread Luis.F.Correia
 Hi!

 -Original Message-
 From: Mike Noyes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 3:13 PM
 To: leaf-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
 Subject: RE: [leaf-devel] Flash Stick Image
 
 On Thu, 2006-03-23 at 15:25, Jorn Eriksen wrote:
  Here's the URL
  http://www.ccl-network.com/leaf/
 
 Everyone,
 Has anyone else had a chance to try Jorn's usb flash drive image yet?

I wanted to give it a got, but...

The requested URL /leaf/stcik.img.gz was not found on this server.


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RE: [leaf-devel] Flash Stick Image

2006-03-23 Thread Jorn Eriksen
Mike  All,

Here's the URL
http://www.ccl-network.com/leaf/

Best regards
Jørn

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mike Noyes
Sent: 23. mars 2006 18:10
To: leaf-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [leaf-devel] Flash Stick Image


On Thu, 2006-03-23 at 07:44, Jorn Eriksen wrote:
 This is really no big issue - I can just place it on one of my servers and
 give you guys a link.  I asked because I thought that it was,sort of
 anyways, smart to have it on the leaf site..

Jorn,
The other option, if KP thinks the image is ready, is to release it in
our FRS on SF.

 I'll send a link in a little while!

Thanks. :-)

--
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http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/
SF.net Projects: leaf, phpwebsite, phpwebsite-comm, sitedocs



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