Re: [leaf-user] Seeking Samba v3 Pkg for BuCv3
Dear All - Original Message - From: Eric Spakman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: groups, freeman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 1:41 PM Subject: Re: [leaf-user] Seeking Samba v3 Pkg for BuCv3 Hi, The problem with Samba 3.x is its enormous size, each daemon/program is around 10 Mbyte, making it practically unusable for embedded use. Eric I see that it's not just me that see BuC is to hot to just positioned as router/firewall I see BuC as Platform that we can build anything on top of it. Right now i'm in progress on building a verry simple (simple = less feature) MDT I plan to use XMPP (Jabber) as 2-way communication helper between car and Controll Center. For this .. I need to write a script that as Jabber Client. I use (learn) ruby as my scripting languge, since I found a very good docs intended for dummy (like me). The MDT Hardware will be a small (or embeded) PC, PCEngine's ALIX-1B come to my mind. For this ...i'll need a small OS .. and ... since i'm a longtime USER of lrp (turn to LEAF, turn to Bering , turn to BuC also WISP-Dist) ... BuC came as my first choice. Unfortunately ... my dumb brain is not good enough to understand how-to build BuC pkg. One more thing ... Flash Storage is easier to get than RAM ... at this point .. i also thinking of CRamFS. I Know that CRamFS is not part of BuC's path. Argg .. more thing(s) ... I'll need PPP .. since this MDT will have GPRS connection. A long way to go Sincerely -bino- - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ leaf-user mailing list: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user Support Request -- http://leaf-project.org/
[leaf-user] Yet Another ucLIB build question
Dear All ... I downloaded http://www.uclibc.org/downloads/root_fs_i386.ext2.bz2 , extract it and mount it to /mnt/root_fs. Now , how to compile things again uclibc ? i.e : I have RUBY source on my hdd and I want to try to compile it agains ucLIBC. Will it easier if I also got Bering's Buildtools ? Sincerely -bino- - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV leaf-user mailing list: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user Support Request -- http://leaf-project.org/
Re: [leaf-user] perl.
Hi KP - Original Message - From: KP Kirchdoerfer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 3:45 AM Subject: Re: [leaf-user] perl. Can someone help me to understand/translate uPerl is wothed? I don't understand and usual dictionaries doesn't help... Hahahha ... forgive me for my Stupid english. What I meant is it's woth to port uPERL to LEAF, and maybe also some perl's module. BTW .. I just joint the RUBY mailing list. Some one of them .. told me that the standard ruby installation is just one-third of standard perl. i'll try to report all my exploration. regards -bino- - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV leaf-user mailing list: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user Support Request -- http://leaf-project.org/
[leaf-user] perl.
Hi all ... I just read the archive of leaf-devel. at http://www.mail-archive.com/leaf-devel@lists.sourceforge.net/msg08900.html , Mike start a thread about perl. My opinion is : 1. if we stick with LEAF as Firewall Appliance , we less need it (perl) in the system. 2. if we want/wish/dream to use LEAF as base system for other use, we probably need it. space consideration : uPerl.lrp is about 350 kb , and about 1mb when extracted to RAM. Relatively Huge enough compared to standard Bering-U distro. Fact. : 1. Small motherboard manufacturer is moving to Non-X86 CPU , while Bering is still for X86 CPU. 2.A. Most of X86 CPU based board have and IDE or CF slot for storage. and we can get storage more then 512mb easily 2.B. RAM : we can expand X86 based board RAM to 1 gb with only 20-30 USD My Story : I'm dreaming of building some kinda MDT for cabs. For this, I need a Messenger to enable conversation between in-vehicle unit software and OP-center Software. Currently, my only choice is JABBER. Some Jabber-client is extensible and accesible by external application, but most extention is based on Perl, Phyton, Ruby. My personal conclution : If we want to use LEAF (Bering-U) for base of a system other than network centric , uPerl is wothed Salute to all LEAF developer Sincerely -bino- - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV leaf-user mailing list: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user Support Request -- http://leaf-project.org/
[leaf-user] OOT:LCD terminal
Dear All ... I'm thinking of using LEAF for non router function. Basically .. it'll be a simple SQL client. There will be a Yes-No type BASH script. Is there any of you know about device that can act as terminal to LEAF (linux) via RS232 ? The device that I need is : 1. Could be commercial or Free Opensource (DIY) 2. A board with 20 character 4 line (the more is better) LCD with 4-8 push-button / keypad. If any one of you knows about that kind of device, kindly please give me the url of that Project and/or manufacturer and/or vendor. Some url that I found is : http://www.bobblick.com/techref/projects/lcdterm/lcdterm.html http://www.h-renrew.de/h/avrterminal/avrterminal.html They Are good, but I still don't know what if I want to display text or menu that more then 4 lines. Sincerely -bino- - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV leaf-user mailing list: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user Support Request -- http://leaf-project.org/
Re: [leaf-user] connection timeout
Hi ... I think the best methode to monitor the server is via SNMP. I suggest you to explore the expandable feature of NetSNMP regards -bino- - Original Message - From: Sayang Oin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 9:34 PM Subject: [leaf-user] connection timeout Hi, I've wrote a programm to check my server status. It's run on my Bering Box. the problem is if the server is not online my checkServer funtion hang very long at the part /* connect to server */ my question is is it posiible to change the timeout time? thank you very much in advanced Sayangoin here is the funtion... int checkServer(char *hostname) { int port=80; int sd, rc, i; struct sockaddr_in localAddr, servAddr; struct hostent *h; h = gethostbyname(hostname);if(h==NULL) {return 1; } servAddr.sin_family = h-h_addrtype; memcpy((char *) servAddr.sin_addr.s_addr, h-h_addr_list[0], h-h_length); servAddr.sin_port = htons(port); /* create socket */ sd = socket(AF_INET, SOCK_STREAM, 0); if(sd0) {return 1; } /* bind any port number */localAddr.sin_family = AF_INET; localAddr.sin_addr.s_addr = htonl(INADDR_ANY); localAddr.sin_port = htons(0); rc = bind(sd, (struct sockaddr *) localAddr, sizeof(localAddr)); if(rc0) {return 1; } /* connect to server */rc = connect(sd, (struct sockaddr *) servAddr, sizeof(servAddr));if(rc0) { return 1; } close(sd); return 0; } _ Suchen Sie von einer beliebigen Webseite aus - mit dem perfekten Schutz. Holen Sie sich noch heute die KOSTENLOSE Windows Live Toolbar! http://toolbar.live.com/ - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV leaf-user mailing list: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user Support Request -- http://leaf-project.org/ - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV leaf-user mailing list: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user Support Request -- http://leaf-project.org/
Re: [leaf-user] WRAP EOL
Hi Eric and All - Original Message - From: Erich Titl [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 8:52 PM Subject: [leaf-user] WRAP EOL Hi everybody I had contacts with Pascal Dornier at PCEngines and he lets me have a board of the pilot series of the WRAP1 successor. He told me the board would be availale with an AMD LX700 or LX800 processor and 2 or 3 LAN connections. In one of pdf Pascal sent me , I think he wll use Storlink SL3516. If this is the case .. we'll need extra work on porting LEAF to it, since it's ARM-9 base. But, if pascal told you that he will use AMD LX-700 / LX-800 , the porting work will not as hard as to SL3516. AFAIK LX-700/LX-800 is a part of AMD concept called x86 everywhere. Regards -bino- - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV leaf-user mailing list: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user Support Request -- http://leaf-project.org/
Re: [leaf-user] WRAP EOL
- Original Message - From: Erich Titl [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 3:11 AM Subject: Re: [leaf-user] WRAP EOL The way I understand the roadmap at PCEngines is that a successor based on the AMD Geode LX800 could be into pilot run in summer. I will probably try to get one, hopefully Pascal will let me have one. I talked to Pascal weeks ago. Last call order will be may 2007. And last time i talk to him ... he plan to use ARM based CPU Commercial speaking, it'll will hard to fight mikrotik's price regards -bino- - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV leaf-user mailing list: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user Support Request -- http://leaf-project.org/
Re: [leaf-user] Why to use uClibc?
- Original Message - From: Arne Bernin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Leaf-User (E-mail) leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 4:12 AM Subject: Re: [leaf-user] Why to use uClibc? On Wed, 2006-10-18 at 14:03 -0400, Rob Ogle wrote: I've got a customer that is prime for a uClibc installation using OpenVPN. The head of IT is against user supported/GNU software. He is against GNU Software in general ? Well, in that case, it wouldn't be better if we did use another libc like glibc... Do you know why he is against it ? Is it because he thinks this kind of software is of bad quality ? Or does he need someone to blame for if it does not work as expected ? Or does he just want to pay for it ;-) ?? Some minus point of users supported things from the point of view if Non opensource maniac user is : 1. No user-frendly (fancy ?) user interface 2. No specificaly-designed (fancy) docs 3. No one to blame In my area .. they always ask for hardware router .. and resist for software router. They forgot that hardware always need Firmware which is a member of a big family named Software They'll pay for guardian rather then whatch each other back For me, please accept my apologize for just being an opensource user with no contribution to the opensource development All I've done is shorten my son's name to LRP, the starting point of LEAF Sincerely -bino- - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 leaf-user mailing list: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user Support Request -- http://leaf-project.org/
[leaf-user] OOT : Transportable Mast
Dear All. My Apologize to post this out of topic question. I'm in a bidgeting process to form a group of incident IT Support team. Actually we have been at Banda-Aceh at the days after Tsunami. I'm looking for a seller of Transportable Rapid-deployable lightweight mast. When we are in Calang (one of the area striked by Tsunami), I found this kind of mast at the camp of Medicos del mundo a spanish medical relief worker group. You can find a picture of this mast I talk about , at : http://gallery.townsendconsulting.net/album18/mdmap http://gallery.townsendconsulting.net/album18/mdmclientbridge Originaly, this mast is for a lamp (looked like a ballon with a lamp inside) at the very top of the mast. I made a lot of google search, but all I can get is a High-priced mast system ... starting from 3000 USD for a 30ft system. I'm waiting for any enlightments Sincerely -bino- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 leaf-user mailing list: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user Support Request -- http://leaf-project.org/
Re: [leaf-user] 2 gateways
I think the most recomended solution is to make a BGP peers with your two-ISP Put A single LEAF box running BGP and 3 NICs, one nic facing your server-farm , and 2 others facing your 2 ISP. Or .. if you realy realy can't get peer, in this condition i'll prefer using dyndns tricks. In case you want to try dyndns tricks : 1. Give all your server IP address from both IP-block 2. Make a Ping script to ping check some host (on the internet) using diferent IP-address source for every ping-check 3. If one ping check failed, trigger your dynDNS client to register it self using diferent IP address. Note: I never do it yet. Hope fully DynDns client can register using user-defined ip address. Using this tricks hopefully your user always see single FQDN Regards -bino- - Original Message - From: Michael Mansour [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 7:00 PM Subject: [leaf-user] 2 gateways Hi, First let me commend this group on making LEAF, I've recently been looking for a solution (and trying my own different solutions) to make available my Webmail system when the primary broadband link goes down, on the secondary broadband link I installed for this. I'm not sure LEAF Bering is the answer for me, which is why I'm asking here. I've read most of the documentation online and searched the archives, but I'm still not 100% sure whether I can use the software in my current configuration for what I want it to do. I came across your software when I posted the following forum article in Openwebmail's forums: http://openwebmail.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1830 and googling a bit more from that brought up LEAF. The explanation on the above link pretty much describes what my setup is, where I have a couple of internet c-classes (203.x.x.x), one being BGP advertised on LinkA and the other being BGP advertised on LinkB. Each ISP provides me with one static IP for the adsl link, but since each BGP's a different c-class internet address, then I use 203.x.x.x addresses on all my internal servers. My webservers (running Fedora Core 1 to ScientificLinux 4 [RHEL4]) all have live 203.x.x.x internet addresses, so there's no NATing involved, just those subnets are firewalled, where the firewall allows through port 80, 443, etc to specific web servers. The firewall system runs on Fedora Core 3 with shorewall firewall v2.0.13-1. I'm currently looking at the Skypipes software also, but would prefer much less config especially if LEAF provides me what I want. So my question is, would LEAF work in my type of configuration? ie. where I have my own c-class addresses that I allow through to webservers with those live 203.x.x.x addresses? Note that I'm _hosting_ more than getting stuff from the net, so my interest is to keep my webmail services up, whether that be automatically or to provide my users with a backup domain like: http://backupwebmail.domain.com which routes through the backup link. Thanks and regards, Michael. --- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects Teams * Testing QA Security * Process Improvement Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf leaf-user mailing list: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user Support Request -- http://leaf-project.org/ --- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects Teams * Testing QA Security * Process Improvement Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf leaf-user mailing list: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user Support Request -- http://leaf-project.org/
Re: [leaf-user] lets talk about something--anything!
- Original Message - From: Erich Titl [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: bino_oetomo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2005 6:42 PM Subject: Re: [leaf-user] lets talk about something--anything! Bino bino_oetomo wrote: Here is my version. We (I and my staff) stat using LRP in 2000. At that time, we have 0 (zero) linux knowledge. we realized that there is to much (for us, totaly stupid linux newbie) configuration file that we need to open and edit to do the configuration. AFAIK you have deployed wireless access to extended areas. I would like to profit from your experience. Do you have some technical documentation of your network you can make public. Hi Erich and all. I really realy sorry that I have no docs left. I'm a damn lazzy in docs. All I can do for LEAF users is jut open for all kind of question, as long as it's about routing on wireless MAN. My staff do all the module porting .. if needed. Basically , my experience only about : 1. Wireless client router 2. OSPF (zebra) 3. Source-address-based routing, since this Wireless-MAN was used by 4 ISP as their distribution network. Please be advised that this network is no longer exist. Sincerely -bino- --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7477alloc_id=16492op=click leaf-user mailing list: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user Support Request -- http://leaf-project.org/
Re: [leaf-user] lets talk about something--anything!
Here is my version. We (I and my staff) stat using LRP in 2000. At that time, we have 0 (zero) linux knowledge. we realized that there is to much (for us, totaly stupid linux newbie) configuration file that we need to open and edit to do the configuration. With my very minimal experience as a dbase-III programmer, I start Sneaking all the configuration file and that init-script. Bingo ... I realize that most of the configuration can be done directly from the console-command, unless for the wireless part (we didn't now about iwconfig yet). We have to get prepared for a semi-mass-deployment of wireless router. With numbers of less-trained installers. We have to make the configuration lo-easier Start googling seeking for BASH documentation. Bla.. bla .. bla ... We end up with rolling (at least) 60 box LRP based wireless router that come with only 1 configuration file (win.ini style). Never use lrcfg anymore unless for configuration-file backup. We role that 60 box ... may be in just 2 - 3 month. Until now ... I think I rolled out 100 box , mixed of modified LRP , Bering, WISP-dist. I stop rolling out LEAF-based wireless router 1 - 2 years ago, since there is too many Taiwan's CPE floating arround. It's not practical anymore to hang a PC in 100 ft towers. I noticed that some of my box is still operational till now. Now, I only roll Mikrotik-based router. The only reason is because i'm a damn stupid coder, so that I could not add any Friendly user Interface to LEAF. Thats my storry Thanks to all LRP/LEAF coders -bino- - Original Message - From: David Pitts [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2005 8:25 AM Subject: RE: [leaf-user] lets talk about something--anything! I have this problem as well! I rely on someone else to compile but luckily I use standard packages or someone is always good enough to do that for me! More power to the list! Regarding the difficulty of setting LEAF up, sure it's a steep learning curve for a Linux newbie but I am living proof that it can be done with the support you guys provide! My only experience before Linux was Dos!! David Pitts IT Services Manager Reid Library University of Western Australia Telephone: (08) 6488 3492 Fax: (08) 6488 1012 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adam Niedzwiedzki Sent: Thursday, 30 June 2005 6:08 AM To: Eric Spakman Cc: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [leaf-user] lets talk about something--anything! Hi Eric, Thanks for that, but (now don't laugh at me) that's the problem I have is not even knowing where to begin with compiling it. I know my way around a leaf machine with my eyes shut, installing modules,setting up just about anything, I've rolled out around 8 leaf box's on various networks, but for the life of me learning to setup a box to compile/build packages has me lost :( I know there is documentation on it, but because I'm not a fluent *nix user I'm lost with it... Cheers Ad - Original Message - From: Eric Spakman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 4:47 PM Subject: Re: [leaf-user] lets talk about something--anything! Ad, If you use Bering-uClibc and buildtool, you will see that ulogd's buildtool.mk file already has the lines to compile the mysql plugin: (cd $(ULOGD_DIR) ; CC=$(TARGET_CC) LD=$(TARGET_LD) CFLAGS=$(BT_COPT_FLAGS) ./configure --prefix=/usr --sysconfdir=/etc ) # (cd $(ULOGD_DIR) ; CC=$(TARGET_CC) LD=$(TARGET_LD) CFLAGS=$(BT_COPT_FLAGS) \ # ./configure --prefix=/usr --sysconfdir=/etc --with-mysql=$(BT_STAGING_DIR)/usr If you comment the first line and uncomment the next two lines, the plugin will be compiled. The only thing you have to do is add the plugin to the ulogd package and configure it. Eric Spakman Hmm let me rephrase that.. Not knowing what to do with ulogd *grin*, I know my way round php/mysql just fine. So I'm just after ulogd compiled with the mysql plugin working. (something about static linking but I have no idea what that means). Then I can build my own php/mysql interface LOL.. *ugh* it's been a long day... Ad - Original Message - From: Adam Niedzwiedzki [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 2:52 PM Subject: Re: [leaf-user] lets talk about something--anything! Hmm how about someone compiling a ulogd module for bering-uclibc that has mysql support so I can have shorewall log packets to mysql :) Could make some very nice php web graphing to go with it.. *grin* I have tried but not being a programmer, really have no idea what I'm doing Cheers Ad --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to
[leaf-user] BASH UDP Server
Hi All .. is there any clue or url on how to script a very simple UDP server with BASH ? I just need to write any received data (including client ip address) to a simple text file (maybe forwarded to sql in the future). Note: Hopefully this mail come in plain text Sincerely -bino- --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by The 2004 JavaOne(SM) Conference Learn from the experts at JavaOne(SM), Sun's Worldwide Java Developer Conference, June 28 - July 1 at the Moscone Center in San Francisco, CA REGISTER AND SAVE! http://java.sun.com/javaone/sf Priority Code NWMGYKND leaf-user mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user SR FAQ: http://leaf-project.org/pub/doc/docmanager/docid_1891.html