[Leaf-user] Dachstein features: Floppy vs CD
I'm hoping to get time in the near future to make a release version of the floppy-based Dachstein firewall. I am already planning on porting some of the CD features (like support for pkgpath.cfg and lrpkg.cfg files) to the floppy version, but I'm also strongly considering migrating the new backup scripts to the floppy version as well. While the support for partial backups is not nearly so critical when running from floppy as when running from CD, it might be a useful feature in some situations, and the new backup scripts support all features of the previous scripts, so no functionality is lost. The big advantage is consistency across the floppy and CD release, making it easier to develop and maintain. The main drawback is the potential for the new scripts to be confusing to a new user, and the fact that much existing documentation will not properly reflect the new backup mechanisms. I'd like to hear from anyone who's used a recent Dachstein CD release and a previous floppy release. I'm specifically interested in how confusing (or intuitive) you found the backup routines, and any thoughts or concerns you might have about making the CD backup routines the 'standard issue' for all flavors of Dachstein. Charles Steinkuehler http://lrp.steinkuehler.net http://c0wz.steinkuehler.net (lrp.c0wz.com mirror) ___ Leaf-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user
Re: [Leaf-user] Dachstein features: Floppy vs CD
I'd like to hear from anyone who's used a recent Dachstein CD release and a previous floppy release. I'm specifically interested in how confusing (or intuitive) you found the backup routines, and any thoughts or concerns you might have about making the CD backup routines the 'standard issue' for all flavors of Dachstein. Charles: I have never used your CD-ROM version since I do not have a CD-writer here nor a CD-rom drive on my LRP box :-( So it is difficult for me to compare..; Could you give us some hints about the differences between the CD based backup script and the floppy one ? As far as the floppy one is concerned I think the two major problems are (for someone new to LEAF): a/ to understand the interaction between list and exclude.list files b/ no automatic check of available space on backup device before copying /tmp/package.lrp to the backup device (you need to do a visual check) A part from that I think the floppy-based backup is OK especially of you only want to save config files. But my judgment is perhaps biased by some months/years(?) of practice... Cheers Jacques ___ Leaf-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user
Re: [Leaf-user] Dachstein features: Floppy vs CD
Hello Jacques, Charles , others I'd like to hear from anyone who's used a recent Dachstein CD release and a previous floppy release. I'm specifically interested in how confusing (or intuitive) you found the backup routines, and any thoughts or concerns you might have about making the CD backup routines the 'standard issue' for all flavors of Dachstein. Charles: I have never used your CD-ROM version since I do not have a CD-writer here nor a CD-rom drive on my LRP box :-( So it is difficult for me to compare..; Could you give us some hints about the differences between the CD based backup script and the floppy one ? As far as the floppy one is concerned I think the two major problems are (for someone new to LEAF): a/ to understand the interaction between list and exclude.list files b/ no automatic check of available space on backup device before copying /tmp/package.lrp to the backup device (you need to do a visual check) A part from that I think the floppy-based backup is OK especially of you only want to save config files. But my judgment is perhaps biased by some months/years(?) of practice... Cheers Jacques I am experimenting with jaques 2.4.14 kernel on the Dachstein floppy. The first problem I encountered was at backing up root. As far as I found out now, root backs up /var/log too allthough it is in the exclude list. It seems to me that the problem is. a concurrence between /var/log/ in the include.list and /var/log/*.log in the exclude.list. Allthough I understand what this should do, probably the script doesn't ;) Eric Wolzak http://leaf.sourceforg.net/devel/ericw ___ Leaf-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user
Re: [Leaf-user] Dachstein features: Floppy vs CD
- Original Message - From: Charles Steinkuehler [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 11:14 AM Subject: [Leaf-user] Dachstein features: Floppy vs CD I'm hoping to get time in the near future to make a release version of the floppy-based Dachstein firewall. I am already planning on porting some of the CD features (like support for pkgpath.cfg and lrpkg.cfg files) to the floppy version, but I'm also strongly considering migrating the new backup scripts to the floppy version as well. While the support for partial backups is not nearly so critical when running from floppy as when running from CD, it might be a useful feature in some situations, and the new backup scripts support all features of the previous scripts, so no functionality is lost. The big advantage is consistency across the floppy and CD release, making it easier to develop and maintain. The main drawback is the potential for the new scripts to be confusing to a new user, and the fact that much existing documentation will not properly reflect the new backup mechanisms. I have used LRP since 2.9.4 was released, so my opinion are of someone who (thinks he) knows what he is talking about. Untill LEAF develops a GUI interface (not likely) I would hazard to guess that to ANY new user LEAF will seam a bit confusing. My opinion, merge the floppy and CD scripts together, since this would seam to alow new versions of Dachstein (and any future versions) to be relased as a media neatural system (there is more than one persion on this list that uses Flash, CDROM, diskette, LS-120, ZIP, and Hard Disk). This also reduces version support since tech support would based on Dachstein v.x.x.x instead of Dachstein v.x.x.x (Media). I'd like to hear from anyone who's used a recent Dachstein CD release and a previous floppy release. I'm specifically interested in how confusing (or intuitive) you found the backup routines, and any thoughts or concerns you might have about making the CD backup routines the 'standard issue' for all flavors of Dachstein. Changing the destination on Dachstein CD through me for a loop at first (untill I relized it was trying to backup to a CD) since I was used to Eigerstein2BETA, but beyond that, I would like to just see some documentation (the bane of Open Source Projects) since im still fuzzy about the backup options. Charles Steinkuehler http://lrp.steinkuehler.net http://c0wz.steinkuehler.net (lrp.c0wz.com mirror) ___ Leaf-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user
Re: [Leaf-user] Dachstein features: Floppy vs CD
Changing the destination on Dachstein CD through me for a loop at first (untill I relized it was trying to backup to a CD) since I was used to Eigerstein2BETA, but beyond that, I would like to just see some documentation (the bane of Open Source Projects) since im still fuzzy about the backup options. There's a limited amount of detail in the readme file, but I need to get more written... Who knows...maybe if I merge the CD root package into the floppy verison (I'm strongly leaning this way, unless someone brings up a good reason for why it's a really bad idea), I'll actually save enough time to write some docs and update my web-site. Charles Steinkuehler http://lrp.steinkuehler.net http://c0wz.steinkuehler.net (lrp.c0wz.com mirror) ___ Leaf-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user
