Re: [LU] LU: Unsackable ?
Yep excellent post. On Monday, February 28, 2022, 06:39:43 AM EST, nattan--- via Leedslist wrote: I agree with Matthew , though disagree re time bit, we are now " just sn ordinary team" no longer the mad maverick Bielsaball team that we have grown to love I have really enjoyed being special, being different, just a shame covid took a lot of that enjoyment form the match going fans, but even watching the chaos on TV was amazing. The fact that we wre still singing his name as he was being sacked and never turned on him speaks volumes Best report I have read about him being special is in the Guardian by James Riach Dave On Monday, 28 February 2022, 11:02:36 GMT, MATTHEW GAYNOR via Leedslist wrote: I pretty much agree with that. Am sad for 3 main reasons; 1. I think we are now more likely to go down. A new manager with no experience of English football, taking over a group of players who clearly love Bielsa is very risky. He practically has no different options who to play - most Leeds fans have generally supported the team selection - the only real debate is about who plays upfront. He'll probably stop defenders chasing into midfield too much but equally i doubt we'll play like we did against Villa or West Ham again this season. 2. For what Bielsa achieved, both in promotion and culture change, i'd risk relegation to let him go out on his own terms. We are in a much better state than 4 years ago. Parachute payments and huge transfer fees incoming would make us huge favourites to come back up. 3. We've changed from the Ken Bates club, the Cellino club, a Warnock team, a Steve Evans team. We are now a Bielsa team recognised around the world and something all fans are proud of. We will be ordinary again in a years time - whatever league we are in. Matt -- Original Message -- From: "alan.edgar--- via Leedslist" To: "leedslist@gn.apc.org" Sent: Sunday, 27 Feb, 22 At 23:51 Subject: [LU] LU: Unsackable ? I would have kept Bielsa until the end of the season. From a practical point of view, in that I believe no-one else will get more out of these players, that we will be better for the return of players of the importance of Bamford, Phillips and Cooper, and that there are at least 3 teams I consider to be worse than us. From a romantic point of view, Bielsa deserved to ride off into the sunset on his own terms, and that football today lost a little bit of its soul in prioritising prospective results over the enjoyment and entertainment that a one-off like Marcelo has brought to the Premiership. Non-Leeds fans I've been in touch with today, many of whom have no love for our club, are also lamenting the fact that (almost certainly) his brand of football will not be seen on these shores again, having been royally entertained by LUFC for the last three and a half years, win, lose or draw. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ Rest in Peace Guy, and wear your hat! ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ Rest in Peace Guy, and wear your hat! ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ Rest in Peace Guy, and wear your hat!
Re: [LU] LU: Unsackable ?
Sorry Michael, but that's bollocks! And how do you know that the players tried to speak to Bielsa On Mon, 28 Feb 2022 at 11:32, Michael Benjamin wrote: > Let's get real. > Radz and Orta are not fools and they know more than us. > What we do know is we are plummeting, the players asked to speak MB and > got nowhere. > There is no reason to guess that Kalvin and Paddy would change anything. > The system was broken. > I d not see what options we had. Sentiment is all very well and good but > we were going down. > No, maybe not. > It was a hard call to male, but they had gits and the info. Let's back > them > > Get Outlook for Android <https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg> > -- > *From:* Leedslist on behalf of Ted < > tedhea...@gmail.com> > *Sent:* Monday, February 28, 2022 1:09:11 PM > *To:* MATTHEW GAYNOR > *Cc:* leedslist@gn.apc.org ; alan.ed...@yahoo.co.uk > > *Subject:* Re: [LU] LU: Unsackable ? > > Totally agree with that Matt. > > I always thought with Bielsa, if we got the investment over the years we'd > have a great chance of challenging at least the top 6, if not the top 4. > Now, I'm worried that we'll just become another Everton, Spurs. Palace, etc > and just hang on to Prem football playing "safe" boring football (That's IF > we don't go down - if we do - I think we're even more fu*ked) > > Even if the new bloke proves me wrong, it will take me some time to get > over the Bielsa sacking. > > Ted H > ___ > Leedslist mailing list > Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist > To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org > > Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ > > Rest in Peace Guy, and wear your hat! > ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ Rest in Peace Guy, and wear your hat!
Re: [LU] LU: Unsackable ?
I agree with Matthew , though disagree re time bit, we are now " just sn ordinary team" no longer the mad maverick Bielsaball team that we have grown to love I have really enjoyed being special, being different, just a shame covid took a lot of that enjoyment form the match going fans, but even watching the chaos on TV was amazing. The fact that we wre still singing his name as he was being sacked and never turned on him speaks volumes Best report I have read about him being special is in the Guardian by James Riach Dave On Monday, 28 February 2022, 11:02:36 GMT, MATTHEW GAYNOR via Leedslist wrote: I pretty much agree with that. Am sad for 3 main reasons; 1. I think we are now more likely to go down. A new manager with no experience of English football, taking over a group of players who clearly love Bielsa is very risky. He practically has no different options who to play - most Leeds fans have generally supported the team selection - the only real debate is about who plays upfront. He'll probably stop defenders chasing into midfield too much but equally i doubt we'll play like we did against Villa or West Ham again this season. 2. For what Bielsa achieved, both in promotion and culture change, i'd risk relegation to let him go out on his own terms. We are in a much better state than 4 years ago. Parachute payments and huge transfer fees incoming would make us huge favourites to come back up. 3. We've changed from the Ken Bates club, the Cellino club, a Warnock team, a Steve Evans team. We are now a Bielsa team recognised around the world and something all fans are proud of. We will be ordinary again in a years time - whatever league we are in. Matt -- Original Message -- From: "alan.edgar--- via Leedslist" To: "leedslist@gn.apc.org" Sent: Sunday, 27 Feb, 22 At 23:51 Subject: [LU] LU: Unsackable ? I would have kept Bielsa until the end of the season. From a practical point of view, in that I believe no-one else will get more out of these players, that we will be better for the return of players of the importance of Bamford, Phillips and Cooper, and that there are at least 3 teams I consider to be worse than us. From a romantic point of view, Bielsa deserved to ride off into the sunset on his own terms, and that football today lost a little bit of its soul in prioritising prospective results over the enjoyment and entertainment that a one-off like Marcelo has brought to the Premiership. Non-Leeds fans I've been in touch with today, many of whom have no love for our club, are also lamenting the fact that (almost certainly) his brand of football will not be seen on these shores again, having been royally entertained by LUFC for the last three and a half years, win, lose or draw. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ Rest in Peace Guy, and wear your hat! ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ Rest in Peace Guy, and wear your hat!
Re: [LU] LU: Unsackable ?
Let's get real. Radz and Orta are not fools and they know more than us. What we do know is we are plummeting, the players asked to speak MB and got nowhere. There is no reason to guess that Kalvin and Paddy would change anything. The system was broken. I d not see what options we had. Sentiment is all very well and good but we were going down. No, maybe not. It was a hard call to male, but they had gits and the info. Let's back them Get Outlook for Android<https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg> From: Leedslist on behalf of Ted Sent: Monday, February 28, 2022 1:09:11 PM To: MATTHEW GAYNOR Cc: leedslist@gn.apc.org ; alan.ed...@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: [LU] LU: Unsackable ? Totally agree with that Matt. I always thought with Bielsa, if we got the investment over the years we'd have a great chance of challenging at least the top 6, if not the top 4. Now, I'm worried that we'll just become another Everton, Spurs. Palace, etc and just hang on to Prem football playing "safe" boring football (That's IF we don't go down - if we do - I think we're even more fu*ked) Even if the new bloke proves me wrong, it will take me some time to get over the Bielsa sacking. Ted H ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ Rest in Peace Guy, and wear your hat! ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ Rest in Peace Guy, and wear your hat!
Re: [LU] LU: Unsackable ?
Totally agree with that Matt. I always thought with Bielsa, if we got the investment over the years we'd have a great chance of challenging at least the top 6, if not the top 4. Now, I'm worried that we'll just become another Everton, Spurs. Palace, etc and just hang on to Prem football playing "safe" boring football (That's IF we don't go down - if we do - I think we're even more fu*ked) Even if the new bloke proves me wrong, it will take me some time to get over the Bielsa sacking. Ted H ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ Rest in Peace Guy, and wear your hat!
Re: [LU] LU: Unsackable ?
I pretty much agree with that. Am sad for 3 main reasons; 1. I think we are now more likely to go down. A new manager with no experience of English football, taking over a group of players who clearly love Bielsa is very risky. He practically has no different options who to play - most Leeds fans have generally supported the team selection - the only real debate is about who plays upfront. He'll probably stop defenders chasing into midfield too much but equally i doubt we'll play like we did against Villa or West Ham again this season. 2. For what Bielsa achieved, both in promotion and culture change, i'd risk relegation to let him go out on his own terms. We are in a much better state than 4 years ago. Parachute payments and huge transfer fees incoming would make us huge favourites to come back up. 3. We've changed from the Ken Bates club, the Cellino club, a Warnock team, a Steve Evans team. We are now a Bielsa team recognised around the world and something all fans are proud of. We will be ordinary again in a years time - whatever league we are in. Matt -- Original Message -- From: "alan.edgar--- via Leedslist" To: "leedslist@gn.apc.org" Sent: Sunday, 27 Feb, 22 At 23:51 Subject: [LU] LU: Unsackable ? I would have kept Bielsa until the end of the season. From a practical point of view, in that I believe no-one else will get more out of these players, that we will be better for the return of players of the importance of Bamford, Phillips and Cooper, and that there are at least 3 teams I consider to be worse than us. From a romantic point of view, Bielsa deserved to ride off into the sunset on his own terms, and that football today lost a little bit of its soul in prioritising prospective results over the enjoyment and entertainment that a one-off like Marcelo has brought to the Premiership. Non-Leeds fans I've been in touch with today, many of whom have no love for our club, are also lamenting the fact that (almost certainly) his brand of football will not be seen on these shores again, having been royally entertained by LUFC for the last three and a half years, win, lose or draw. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ Rest in Peace Guy, and wear your hat!
Re: [LU] LU: Unsackable ?
"Where do you want your statue, Marcelo Bielsa?" Smack bang centre in City Square. He deserves it, nobody has galvanised a city in such a way as he has. Gracias Marcelo Pete C -Original Message- From: Leedslist On Behalf Of alan.edgar--- via Leedslist Sent: Monday, 28 February 2022 10:51 AM To: leedslist@gn.apc.org Subject: [LU] LU: Unsackable ? ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ Rest in Peace Guy, and wear your hat!
[LU] LU: Unsackable ?
I would have kept Bielsa until the end of the season. From a practical point of view, in that I believe no-one else will get more out of these players, that we will be better for the return of players of the importance of Bamford, Phillips and Cooper, and that there are at least 3 teams I consider to be worse than us. From a romantic point of view, Bielsa deserved to ride off into the sunset on his own terms, and that football today lost a little bit of its soul in prioritising prospective results over the enjoyment and entertainment that a one-off like Marcelo has brought to the Premiership. Non-Leeds fans I've been in touch with today, many of whom have no love for our club, are also lamenting the fact that (almost certainly) his brand of football will not be seen on these shores again, having been royally entertained by LUFC for the last three and a half years, win, lose or draw. As a parallel, almost 5 years ago to the day another Premiership manager just outside the relegation zone, who'd only won 5 games, also got the boot. He was just about to take his team into the 1/4 finals of the Champions League, and might have thought he'd got a bit of credit in the bank, having won the Premiership 9 months earlier at odds of 5000-1. If Leicester could sack Claudio Ranieri at that point, then no-one is unsackable. The reasons for the two sackings are the same - Premiership club owners will do whatever they think it takes to maintain their status if they think it is threatened, because whether we like it or not, they want to protect their investment in this multi-million pound business. This season, having been deprived of live sport for the best part of 18 months, I've hopped on a train for half an hour every other Saturday to watch Dulwich Hamlet in what is the 6th tier of English football.I recognise it will never give me the same buzz I get when watching Leeds (I was at the Olympic Stadium only last month for our awesome win - and performance - over West Ham) but that's not why I go - watching Marcelo's Leeds team has clarified for me that caring about who wins is important but not fundamental to my appreciation of football as a game, a sport and a contest. To deliberately misquote Gary Neville (I must be mellowing if he doesn't rattle my cage so much these days...) "Where do you want your statue, Marcelo Bielsa?" ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ Rest in Peace Guy, and wear your hat!
